Skip to comments.Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 22 April 2012
Posted on 04/22/2012 5:01:33 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
April 22nd, 2012
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sens. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.; Gov. Mitch Daniels, R-Ind.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Reps. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Peter King, R-N.Y.; David Axelrod, adviser to President Barack Obama's re-election campaign.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): Lieberman; Senator Tom Coburn, R-Okla.; Reps. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., and Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas; Ralph Basham, a former director of the Secret Service; Eric Fehrnstrom, adviser to GOP president candidate Mitt Romney; Stephanie Cutter, deputy campaign for Obama.
THIS WEEK (ABC): Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine; Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y.
STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla.; Axelrod; Cummings.
Oh he runs a reelection campaign all right,and does it with true slickness. As long as he stays away from the big issues that will bite him in the butt he knows his guy is viable.
Yep, if Romney is the nominee the TEA Party and other Conservatives have to tell voters of the poor instinct and bad judgements, as Romneys strategy of nice guy, in over his head to spare his feelings being hurt, isnt relevant to the result of the Democrats and their Candidates stated legislative intent;
An average of 453,250 workers per week, nearly 100,000 per day, were still being laid off 21 months into the Obama Stimulus.
True,sad time for this thread.
Your #86. Good analogy.
Reality is the issue. In the next Pres term we will see two likely Supreme Court appointments. Even with 60 (hopefully) Senate votes, some will cave to Obama’s appointments. Even though many Romney haters will say he will appoint leftist judges, I can’t believe they’d be worse than Obama’s picks.
Again - this is reality.
Speaking of this thread, I read up at the opening, it said Romney would be on one of the talk shows. Anybody know what he said? The gratitude of the tubeless lies waiting like a laurel crown.
Sorry, make that Romney’s Sketch boy would be on. I’m so bad this morning, I think somebody slipped me decaf.
Quite the outfit on Shirley Jackson Lee there on Face the Nation. Yikes!
Another metaphor; ‘Give us Barabbas’. I’m voting against every Democrat on my ballot. And I won’t go silent in the face of appeasing Democrats with a slightly less progressive income tax, Mr Romney. Go Newt!
I also remember Trent Lott’s agreeing to “sharing” power with the Democrats when the senate was 50-50. Also remember the 108th senate was 51-49 GOP with Snowe, Collins and Specter as well as other left leaning senators.
The reality is GW Bush only had a favorable split in the senate for the 109th, having 55 GOP senators. That’s two of 8 years as we lost all of congress in 2006.
For the record I voted for Newt in the Illinois primary. He’s probably not going to get the nomination. Now what?
No you didn’t miss it..I got mixed up..Mitch Daniels, not Demint. Yeesh.
As Axelrod stays away from the big issues, that will disappoint the Intellectual Democrat Supporters that think they’ve actually got issues to run on. Air America and Ed Schultz may be entertaining for about 2 minutes, 39 seconds, collectively...
Prepare for the worst economic freeze in modern history if Democrats control any of the 3 Legislative Branches of Government, Summer 2013. Just look at how anemic construction hiring is this spring.
I’m a little ticked still that Texas doesn’t get to vote in a meaningful primary.
Not sure how I’ll vote. Newt may be out by then. Can’t figure out why he’s continuing to run up debt in this fruitless quest unless he thinks something good (?) will ome out of it.
FYI, Mitch Daniels got his start working for Lugar. He announced his support way before Mourdock declared. He is being loyal to a guy who helped him, just like Sarah Palin endorsed McCain in the Arizona senate race.
I worked with Mourdock years ago, during the Carter years. I can attest to his conservatism and will be voting for him.
But just let the Daniels thing go. It’s the same as what Palin did.
Exactly,we ignore reality at our own demise.
LOL! Nothing like a huge caffeine jolt for my one day off. I sympathize.
Excellent point. I bring this up whenever and wherever I can. It neutralizes a lot of their arguments.GW’s last two years were dominated by a hostile commie Congress.He was not able to get much done being averse to self legislating like we see with the current regime.
Trying to start a fight?
Cause you’re good at it.
I will vote for Mitt too. Don’t like it, but will give him a shot.
And who knows, he might put this ship of state back on an even keel. I’ve no reason whatsoever to wish him bad.
But, I say softly to the nasties on this thread today, it was the Blue Blood establishment who forced him down our unhappy throats and it will be the Blue Blood establishment that, odds are, he will support as President.
That’s a pretty good analogy.
My theory, just my speculation do not get yon panties in a wad, is that Romney will govern with an aim to keeping his Blue Blood establishment in power.
The Tea Party, those folks who carry this country on our backs, will rise, this time with a steadiness and stalwartness for we finally learn that the Blue Blood GOP does not want the likes of us and further, it will no longer be possible for us to live with them.
My argument is....vote for Romney. See how he does. He cannot possibly be worse than Obama.
And if Romney does what I think he’ll do, which is to reach across aisles along with his perfectly polished nails, to empower the establishment GOP and compromise on every thing that Hatch and McCain and that babe from Alaska keep their hold on power....The Tea Party will rise and a third party will be formed.
The Blue Blood Establishment GOP will flounder and eventually sink. We’ve got a political class in this country that must be dismantled. Those Blue Blood GOP are as much a part of it as any Democrat.
Hot Air has a Sunday Morning Talk show thread now. Over the years Conservative sites have sprung up geometrically.
FreeRepublic, for many weeks in a row early this year, had this thread constantly locking up and nothing will send your posters packing than working a thread that doesn’t work.
So don’t get all snippy that there’s something wrong with THIS thread. There’s plenty of Conservatives out there, don’t much like Romney, now posting on other sites.
I read the Hot Air thread every week. Hey Chuck, most of those posters feel the same way about Romney.
The rinos won again.
I don't have time to get into what it takes to become a nominee-- the money, organization,dedications,compromises, etc etc.If we have not picked up on that yet we need to. Conservatives can and will become potus. We just have to get into the arena with everything it takes to get the nod.
For me its not much of a contest between Romney and zero.For others it seems to be a tougher choice.
Looking forward to The Great One tomorrow.
BTW, I used to love watching Fox's Sunday Show. But that was with Tony Snow. Chris is OK. I basically stopped watching when FOX pooh-poohed Palin in 2008 and said all kinds of nice things about Obama. Remember when O’Reilly said Obama would run the country down the middle because he was a smart man. The Establishment (except Hannity) refused to acknowledge Obama’s lifelong radical left wing relationships. I remember that idiot Krauthammer claiming that Palin had no experience and Obama walked on water. So, I have stopped watching on a regular basis and therefore cannot comment on this thread.
Oh and to that fat guy who runs FOX, here's a message from me, “You are effing up the FOX NEWS Channel brand badly. Case in point hiring that Jesse Jackson daughter instead of the illustrious Dr. Thomas Sowell. What did that Jesse Jackson offspring do to garner so much respect? Enough said. Bye-bye.”
Could you ping me the nasties/newbie trolls when you have time and want to make the effort. Sometimes I am in the mood to type-lash them. ; )
Straight statistics on how many RINOs spamming FR for a white liberal faux conservative who also voted for a black socialist faux moderate in ‘08 would be illuminating.
Liberal apologetics 2.0 upgrades “Hope and Change” to “We Hope He’ll Change”.
Right. Karl already admitted in his book that he made a MISTAKE by counseling W to not fight back aboun charges he “lied us into war.” Mitt has to AT LEAST deny this crap; don’t just do the rope-a-dope (which did wonders for Ali’s brain)
I think what is realy getting to people is the audio book in Bambi’s own voice chirping lightly about eating dog. His faux broadcaster voice is almost ebulient. And this stikes most Americans as extremely foreign and savage.
I agree with your speculation. Romney certainly isn’t my choice for those reasons - but given the hand we’ve been dealt - I have two choices. I pick uncertainty over disaster.
Of course he isn't! He's more than welcome as it's his house. We'd love to have him post with us and talk about the Sunday shows. Or whatever he wanted. But please don't be dishonest, you know why you pinged him.
I humbly ask that you do not come onto this thread with the intent to cause trouble. It doesn't become you, as I honestly respect you and your posting history.
Dragging the entire debate over to the right...hopefully.
If we cannot wrestle control from the RINOs within our own party, then how will we ever win a national election from a 3rd party?
The ONLY way to win is to persuade a majority of voting Americans that we're right and the democrats and RINOs are wrong. Other than that, Kabar is correct. We will, all Americans, lose.
Some say we can repeat what the Republicans did in 1854-1860 to the Whigs, but in reality the Whigs were on their way out because they were old fashioned philosophers of government rather than extreme party loyalists and demagogues that the democrats had made themselves under Jackson. We needed a similar party to counter them and most folks switched to the Republicans due to the war and firebrand Southern democrats preaching our way or the highway. After the war, with so many war veterans, and having their head of the party assassinated, the party had a lock on people's loyalty for a generation.
People should study the Whigs before they characterize them as 19th Century RINOs. They weren't! They held to the governing principles of Washington and the other founding fathers, and were simply couldn't respond well to democrat lies and demagoguery.
Simply not true of Altura!!!
She had other candidates, supported them, and all of them either left or are not winning (Newt).
Perhaps you have another definition of "stumped", but I'm stumped as to why you'd say such an obviously lie.
Thanks, Miss Marple, for giving me that info. I do not despise Sarah for endorsing McCain, and understand now.
Well, Pat, let me be the first to say thank you, for all you’ve done for our cause. Unlike so many here on Free Republic, you haven’t been just bloviating, but have been in the belly of the beast, fighting the Delaware RINOs and working hard to get Castle out and Christine in.
I still wish you would stay and fight on. I do believe you were making good progress, even though perhaps down in the weeds, it didn’t appear so.
Who would have thought back then, in the state of Joe Biden for goodness sake, that Mike Castle would ever be knocked off his RINO throne?!
But you—and people like you—did it!
I can imagine having the RINOs/Blue Blood’s appointing Castle to represent the state GOP in the convention in Tampa made you finally give up.
Still, I certainly don’t think you are a quiter. You fought harder than most of us. Some of us beside me need to acknowledge that.
Well, looks like the thread has already petered out.
So be it.
I will speak on the discourse of today later, but it just might be I may simply stop posting this thread. We’ve had a good thirteen plus years run, but the whole site is changing.
I ask you all, is it worth it? We’ve tried to be a beacon of good will, to debate without getting riled up at each other, and to otherwise be adults, but now I’m not sure we can maintain that.
Speak to me....
Agree completely. In the end it was all of our conservatives dividing the vote and Romney winning with 25%. The Country Club knows how to run a single candidate.
Remember when OReilly said Obama would run the country down the middle because he was a smart man. The Establishment (except Hannity) refused to acknowledge Obamas lifelong radical left wing relationships. I remember that idiot Krauthammer claiming that Palin had no experience and Obama walked on water.
So true, the pundits were wearing horse blinders when it came to seeing who Obama really is....
So okay, true. Here's the thing. I'm unclear why anyone can criticize anyone else for their position on Romney.
At least not fair thinking people at any rate.
It's not like those who are vehemently anti-Romney have no basis for their intensity. We've had Dole, McCain, Gerald Ford....even Dubya ruled across the aisle to the dislike of many Conservatives. McCain, the moderate's moderate, he who proudly called himself a MAVERICK....it could be argued that McCain brought us Obama
So this year, after holding our noses and voting for McCain, we get another fine "moderate" in the form of Romney and so many out there have had enough.
A reasonable argument can be made that against Obama, ANYBODY would be better. An equally reasonable argument can be made that McCain was the last moderate they'd pull that lever for.
The most abused amongst us eventually fight back, eventually walk away from endless lies on endless lies.
So why get mad at them? Call them names? They're not unreasonable people; they've had enough. And they just might be right.
On the other side, there's a bunch, me among them, who will, given the extraordinary circumstances of this upcoming election, will pull that lever for a "moderate" pretending to be a Conservative.
Reasonable arguments would include that the country could not stand another Obamer term, that this time it will have to be Romney, he's better than the communist and his tribe of thugs any day.
WE HEARD THIS BEFORE, the other side will say. Indeed, mine own fine Mike Castle....he was complained about for decades. "Just one more time," we were told, so we pulled the lever, we nominated him at the convention. "He's getting ready to retire," the whispered, so we figured, okay, let him retire proud and with dignity.
BUT WAIT! Then we hear that Mike Castle is NOT only NOT going to retire, he WANTS A PROMOTION!
So hey, both sides of this equation have an equal right to their decision and it makes us look like dolts to lambaste the other, call them names, cast unfair aspersions upon them. Make your argument and stop being an a**hole about it.
And RG, you somehow got lassoed into this argument when by me, you are not part of what I think to be a problem. My sense is you have complete respect on the vast citizenry who consider themselves Conservatives so don't think any dismay I have is directed at you.
The name calling and accusations ain't helping a thing.
You know I wouldn’t fight with you, Fish. You always have the last word.
I just don’t agree with your opus and am tired of all that jazz.
Thanks for the defense, Alas, but DO NOT bother with this dude. He is a nasty piece of work and I suspect an Obama supporter.
He hasn’t been here long but he is one ugly troll.
It’s going to be another mistake if Republicans, especially candidates, don’t counter and stop letting the Democrats get away with blaming Bush for everything that 0zero’s done wrong since he was elected, including a Democrat House and Senate that rubber stamped all those leftist policies and programs.
It’s Bush’s fault, the Bush policies didn’t work, capitalism is not good for the country, we tried that before and it failed. Our side needs to counter these BS claims every time we hear it. The latest one Democrats are emailing everyone says “Reaganomics: Convincing poor people they can become rich by giving rich people more money.”
Please continue to post the thread.
It’s the best thing on Free Republic.
I promise to reform. I will not address the trolls and if everyone else follows suit, they will go away as they feed on responses and die without them.
And I apologize to Fishtalk. I know it’s hard in her neck of the woods and the Republican party there may well be a nightmare. I shouldn’t have said what I said. Mea Culpa.
All well and good on paper.
Every body is/was a political expert, and only THEIR candidate walked on water (Palin,Cain,Perry,Bachmann,Gingrich), while every body else's candidate (Palin,Cain,Perry,Bachmann,Gingrich) sucked the proverbial weenie, and had horns coming out of their foreheads, and misrepresented everything, had bad breath, and was generally disliked by everyone else.
Still, I certainly dont think you are a quitter. You fought harder than most of us. Some of us beside me need to acknowledge that.
Fishtalk’s posts from “down in the weeds” in the war against RINOism haven’t merely been VERY informative but have revealed the author to be as true a conservative this side of bray as we can find.
But I completely GET Fishtalk’s need to detach from the Republicans at this point. There’s gonna be a whole lot more of this going forward if the RINOs lose the 2012 presidential election, I can tell you that.
Come on Tea Party.
Thank you PB and AB.
Oh nobody’s working harder than me here in the swamps. I am campaign treasurer for a tea party type...heh.
“What’s this $614, Don? It’s on the bank statement yet I have no receipt?”
“It’s for door hangers, Pat. I ordered them off of the Internet. I didn’t get a receipt.”
“Don, you didn’t get a receipt by email? Forward it to me and I’ll print it out. Don’t you see how this looks Don A. himself might have taken that money and maybe bought himself a new TV?”
Below the dashed line.....a comment I came upon on a Delaware thread to my great surprise. Jon Mosley just happens to have been Christine O’Donnell’s attorney during her campaign.
I’m just not sitting in on their meetings. There’s an active 9-11 patriots group in this area. I’ll deal with my activism this way.
When enough people realize the time has come to let go of that part of the entrenched political class known as the Republican party, I’ll be here.
At some point together all of us, squabblers today, will begin the process of taking back our country from the political elite.
I refer you back to Pat Fishs post, which is when it first dawned on me that this controversy was (a) not going away and (b) bigger than just an arcane tussle over some obscure technicality.
The purest or idealist hates the fact that perception can replace reality. It naturally irks me and always bothered me. But you have to accept reality. The information received and processed by humans is all they have to go on. So, like it or not, perception is reality. It shouldnt be so. Yet it is.
People can only form opinions based on what they know. And if they are busy in their lives and they only catch a shallow impression of things while swamped with the responsibilities of life, that hasty impression is all they have to go on. For them, that is reality . even when they are absolutely wrong.
Pat Fish explained the PERCEPTION created among the voters, who only have time for a quick glance at the issues.
So when you have a Democrat White House suing the various States THE US SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR ARIZONAS SB 1070 LAW ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ON APRIL 25 and it looks like Heres one more example that fits within that theme, its a powerful theme. Pat Fish called it. I didnt see it until Pat Fish wrote it.