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Don't White People Kill Each Other, Too?
The Root ^ | April 10, 2012 | Edward Wyckoff Williams

Posted on 04/22/2012 11:30:22 AM PDT by nickcarraway

And yet we keep hearing about black-on-black crime because it fits the false media narrative.

When it comes to America's racial past and present, lies and snake oil are sold in many colors.

In the wake of the Trayvon Martin tragedy, conservatives in media have sought to deflect from the racism and racial profiling that precipitated his untimely death by referencing the broader social malaise of supposed "black-on-black violence."

On last week's episode of This Week on ABC, Washington Post columnist George Will said that despite the Trayvon tragedy, "150 black men are killed every week in this country," and "about 94 percent of them by other black men."

Will parroted arguments made by many conservatives, his intended point being that black-on-black crime remains the real problem our nation should address. The half-truth he spoke went curiously unchallenged by the panel -- including former White House adviser Van Jones -- largely because the meta-narrative of black-on-black violence is widely accepted in journalistic and political circles.

Bill O'Reilly, the Fox News host and one-man propaganda machine, recently interviewed Columbia University professor Marc Lamont Hill to discuss similar claims from Wall Street Journal contributor Shelby Steele, who wrote in "The Exploitation of Trayvon Martin" that "black teenagers are afraid of other black teenagers, not whites." O'Reilly vehemently defended Steele's premise that the Trayvon Martin case is an anomaly.

"Blacks today are nine times more likely to be killed by other blacks than by whites," Steele wrote. He went on to attack the Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for "exploiting" Trayvon's death in an effort to promote a "liberal" agenda -- a point that O'Reilly was all too happy to expound.

Steele's perspective, though myopic and misguided, remains pervasive and embedded in the broader social consciousness. This red-herring approach is not new,

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1 posted on 04/22/2012 11:30:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Just my two cents...but if you drug-tested all murder suspects upon arrest...I suspect that ninety-eight percent would show something illegal in their system. No one wants to face up to the fact that illegal drugs are the overwhelming contributor to what we have in our jails today.


2 posted on 04/22/2012 11:33:56 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: nickcarraway

Whenever people say there are more blacks in prison than whites because of racism, I ask them if there are more men in prison than women because of sexism.

No matter how they answer, my point is made.


3 posted on 04/22/2012 11:35:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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4 posted on 04/22/2012 11:36:49 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: pepsionice

I guess “liberal groups” don’t know math.

The majority of blacks are killed by ???

Those “conservative groups” lying about that?


5 posted on 04/22/2012 11:37:35 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: pepsionice

I guess “liberal groups” don’t know math.

The majority of blacks are killed by ???

Those “conservative groups” lying about that?


6 posted on 04/22/2012 11:37:40 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Those graphs can be viewed at this link.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm


7 posted on 04/22/2012 11:38:12 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: nickcarraway

Where does one start with an author who does not understand simple math?

Blacks killing blacks at very high rates. Whites kill whites at very low rates. So, the problem remains that blacks are most likely to be murdered by blacks. T

he fact the author can’t grasp this is proof he is not the least bit interested in the facts or cares one white about the plight of blacks.

It serves a higher political goal — leftist policies, Democratic politicians, and bigger government — to constantly stir up strife with phony, if not idiotic arguments like this one.


8 posted on 04/22/2012 11:39:42 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: nickcarraway

The statistics from the FBI are clear and murky at the same time.

90% of whites are killed by whites, while 90% of blacks are killed by blacks.

What is murky is where Hispanics fall into the mix.

The number of Black and White murder victims are almost the same. What doesn’t get mentioned is that blacks only represent 12% of the population.


9 posted on 04/22/2012 11:43:08 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: nickcarraway
"The truth? As the largest racial group, whites commit the majority of crimes in America. In particular, whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led blacks, again, more than 2-1."

The 2-1 ratio might be accurate but there are 8 times as many whites as blacks in this country so as a proportion of population blacks are 4 times as likely to be responsible for violent crime as are whites. The writer must assume a high degree of math ignorance among his readers.

10 posted on 04/22/2012 11:44:33 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: WashingtonSource
'Whites kill whites at very low rates.'

Nonsense. People, by in large are group animals and will harm and hurt members of the same group. Thus, whites kill more whites and blacks kill more blacks. The difference is the percentage at which a particular group outperforms another.

11 posted on 04/22/2012 11:53:27 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
What is murky is where Hispanics fall into the mix.

Well, the last time I looked at the UCR stats, there is a separate category for "Hispanic" in the crime victim numbers, but not in the criminal offender numbers.

If "Hispanics" were taken from the criminal offender numbers, the "white" crime rate would be notably lower.

12 posted on 04/22/2012 11:54:51 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: nickcarraway

Rarely.

The majority of white victims and white offenders know one another unlike the random killings by out of control blacks.


13 posted on 04/22/2012 11:56:07 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: nickcarraway

Most whites who are killed by other whites I suspect are domestic violence situations.....


14 posted on 04/22/2012 11:56:34 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: nickcarraway
the racism and racial profiling that precipitated his untimely death

Offer an example (NBC editing not included) or STFU, race pimp.

15 posted on 04/22/2012 11:56:47 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: nickcarraway
guess the mutt never heard of ratios...
16 posted on 04/22/2012 11:59:48 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

http://essentials.baltimoresun.com/micro_sun/homicides/index.php?range=180&district=all&zipcode=all&age=all&gender=all&race=white&cause=all&article=all&show_results=Show+Results

http://essentials.baltimoresun.com/micro_sun/homicides/index.php?range=180&district=all&zipcode=all&age=all&gender=all&race=black&cause=all&article=all&show_results=Show+Results


17 posted on 04/22/2012 12:00:02 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: pepsionice

Correlation != causation. I suspect if you test murder suspects upon arrest, a majority of them will be wearing blue jeans. The reason that no one wants to face up to the fact that blue jeans are the overwhelming contributor to what we have in our jails today, is because the relationship is spurious. Someone willing to commit murder will also be willing to disregard laws against drug usage.


18 posted on 04/22/2012 12:03:35 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: nickcarraway
. . . whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led blacks, again, more than 2-1.

Yes in terms of absolute numbers it makes sense that incidents of white crime out number incidents of black crime. But to be worse than black crime statistics wouldn't the figures have to be incidents of white crime outnumber incidents of black by more than 10-to-1?

Having made his 2-to-1 point he asks "Given this mathematical truth, would anyone encourage African Americans to begin shooting suspicious white males in their neighborhoods for fear that they'll be raped, assaulted or murdered?"

Nowhere did he answer no.

Instead he says millions of black boys and girls like [Trayvon], harbor a reasonably founded fear of whites. . . so that's why the black teens cross the street when they see this old geezer approach them on the sidewalk.

I think part of what the author wants is to make it anti-PC to say "black-on-black crime."

Well at least he didn't remind us what New York Congressman Major Owens "revealed" that to this day sharks follow ships crossing the Atlantic from Africa because during the slave-trading days 250,000,000 slaves were thrown overboard on the way here. (I think it was only 250 million.)

19 posted on 04/22/2012 12:04:25 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: muir_redwoods

Thank you for explaining so I didn’t have to. He doesn’t factor population rates at all. He also, like what seems to be the entire race obsessed parts of this country, never comment on Zimmerman’s head being beaten in to the pavement. The author of this article is deliberately causing problems with lies as other race pimps


20 posted on 04/22/2012 12:04:48 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: chris_bdba

My little town’s last murder (White on white) was nearly 30 years ago. We had a shooting (white on white) 3 or 4 years ago which was a love triangle thing and none of the 3 involved were local.


21 posted on 04/22/2012 12:10:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Theoria

People, by in large are group animals..........


Speak for your animal self.

The poster you were “correcting” is right. The RATE of white on white murder is less than the RATE of black on black murder. You being an animal has nothing to do with it.


22 posted on 04/22/2012 12:13:41 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
'The RATE of white on white murder is less than the RATE of black on black murder.'

That's not what 'he' said.

'Blacks killing blacks at very high rates. Whites kill whites at very low rates'

Both groups kill their own groups in rates over 80%. Whites are the largest group that kills whites.

As for the group animal theory. Just look at politics. Hah.

23 posted on 04/22/2012 12:17:59 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: nickcarraway

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the blind leading the blind..
Most blacks are as blind as the KKK...

Except as the KKK aided by affirmative action..
American Black culture is a cartoon, a nasty cartoon..


24 posted on 04/22/2012 12:19:26 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
If "Hispanics" were taken from the criminal offender numbers, the "white" crime rate would be notably lower.

Spanish is not a race it's a language.People of all races all over the world speak spanish.

25 posted on 04/22/2012 12:20:02 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: nickcarraway
...deflect from the racism and racial profiling that precipitated his untimely death

When an author starts out with a falsehood, I lose interest in reading any more.

GIGO

26 posted on 04/22/2012 12:20:29 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: KeyLargo
The majority of white victims and white offenders know one another unlike the random killings by out of control blacks.

Not demonstrated by the graphs above.

27 posted on 04/22/2012 12:20:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: nickcarraway

Ever hear of the Civil War, WWI and WWII? I would say there is a long history of white on white violence.


28 posted on 04/22/2012 12:23:15 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I believe you are correct. Hispanic perps are added to the white numbers, but Hispanic victims are given a separate category.

This makes the number of white offenders appear to be higher and the number of white victims appear to be lower.

Conspiracy-minded types might think this intentional.

BTW, the author is here rejecting as irrelevant the very math he no doubt uses elsewhere to “prove” that blacks are discriminated against in employment, housing, education, etc. Disparate impact and all that.


29 posted on 04/22/2012 12:24:49 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Those figure are not correct. Everbody knows whites kill as many people as blacks do. They just don’t get arrested or convicted. /s


30 posted on 04/22/2012 12:26:38 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: nickcarraway

I went to read the article, just so I could say some negative things about it (since clearly it is BS just from the title).

But I see many of the commentors at “The Root” site are going a good job debunking this author’s misguided statements.

So, that’s good I think.

Good job Root commenters!

Most people who are murdered are killed by a member of their own race. I have often heard that most murder victims are at least acquainted with their killer.

But the point of this article, that whites commit MORE crimes than blacks, and that they most often kill other white people, while true, really misses the point.

Blacks are murdered far out of proportion to their percent of population and they are overwhelmingly murdered by other Black people.

It is really a “beam in your own eye” situation. “Community activists” get all riled up about “whites” murdering blacks, but even if you eliminated ALL those deaths you’d still have a pile of corpses.

They really don’t care about those black crime victims AT ALL.

If I was a black person, this would infuriate me.


31 posted on 04/22/2012 12:32:43 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: pepsionice
Just my two cents...but if you drug-tested all murder suspects upon arrest...I suspect that ninety-eight percent would show something illegal in their system. No one wants to face up to the fact that illegal drugs are the overwhelming contributor to what we have in our jails today.

I agree that illegal drugs are the primary contributor, but not because of the physiological effects. Their illicit status creates a sinister underground economy. Although I do not have statistics at the ready, I believe alcohol use is probably involved in more murders, but none of those alcohol-related murders is about the purchase of or access to the substance itself.

32 posted on 04/22/2012 12:38:29 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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33 posted on 04/22/2012 12:46:07 PM PDT by devolve (---- --------insanity_is_alive_and_mucho_malignant----------)
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To: muir_redwoods
The writer must assume a high degree of math ignorance among his readers.

And the very link he provides to prove his point shows that balcks and whites are nearly equal in the number of murders they commit... even though whites outnumber blacks as you point out.

This is more "games with stats" that is so popular amoung the liberals.

34 posted on 04/22/2012 12:55:31 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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To: Theoria

I think we actually agree.


35 posted on 04/22/2012 1:00:32 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Those charts mean nothing, because they only show relatively recent figures.

What isn't taken into account is subtraction of "Affirmative Action/Reparations Killings", to make up for the past murders, executions, and lynchings during the Slavery & Jim Crow eras.

/Lib Apologist & Black Activist Speak

36 posted on 04/22/2012 1:01:23 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: WashingtonSource


“Where does one start with an author who does not understand simple math?”

If you’re a Democrat politician, you start by NOT mentioning the author is Black.

If you work in the public education industry, you start by claiming racial discrimination.


37 posted on 04/22/2012 1:09:36 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: nickcarraway

All over the world blacks kill blacks at greater rates then whites kill white, then whites kill blacks, then blacks kill whites.


38 posted on 04/22/2012 1:15:24 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Chode

” guess the mutt never heard of ratios...”

Hey Chode.....how bout that : )


39 posted on 04/22/2012 1:19:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, white people kill white people and black people kill white people. But we don’t whine about racism. The racism now prevalent in this country is black against white.


40 posted on 04/22/2012 1:23:52 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: coloradan; pepsionice
Correlation != causation. I suspect if you test murder suspects upon arrest, a majority of them will be wearing blue jeans. The reason that no one wants to face up to the fact that blue jeans are the overwhelming contributor to what we have in our jails today, is because the relationship is spurious. Someone willing to commit murder will also be willing to disregard laws against drug usage.

I suspect (no I know for a fact without being told) that alcohol has a greater role in the murder rate than illegal drugs in the murder rate. Nevertheless, please find some research on the mind-altering effects of blue jeans (particularly on judgement), and then get back to me.

41 posted on 04/22/2012 1:24:49 PM PDT by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: Theoria

“Both groups kill their own groups in rates over 80%. Whites are the largest group that kills whites.”

The murder rates are not the same. It depends on the total number of people murdered in each group.

Ex.

If the total number of white people killed is 1000 and 80% are killed by other whites that means 800 were white on white murders.

If the total number of black people killed is 10,000 and 80% are killed by other another black that means 8000 were black on black on black.

So overall, even though there are a whole lot more white people they are killing other white people a whole lot less often.

‘Blacks killing blacks at very high rates. Whites kill whites at very low rates’ is true.


42 posted on 04/22/2012 1:44:35 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: pepsionice

Possibly because it isn’t a fact it’s just your suspicion.


43 posted on 04/22/2012 1:48:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
guess he took EBithmetic...
44 posted on 04/22/2012 2:15:45 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: nickcarraway
More smoke and mirrors!

The whole argument of black on black violent crime has the feeble sound of white politically correct groveling. If blacks rather condone than correct a culture of violence within its own community, whites can do little. How do whites get the standing to oppose - by word and deed - black on black violence louder than blacks?

What whites do have standing to oppose - by word and deed - is black on white violence!

So, why is that the very argument not raised when racist black demagogues scream "It's open season on black people!" or "racist profiling?" Why are establishment politicians and media so determine to censor that subject? Why?

Because there are 7.8 times more black on white violent crimes than white on black ( FBI Crime Stats Link) when there are 5.8 times more whites than blacks in the population (US Census Link). This means that the reality that they choose to conceal is that, therefore statistically a given black is 45 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa.

What rational human beings with the basic instinct of self-preservation can ignore that?! Whites, that do not live in the protected bubbles of the establishment politicians and media, know this instinctively and anecdotally - even when the actual statistics are kept from them.

Not until the black community and the establishment politicians & media deals with - rather than conceals and condones - black on white violence, will so call "racial" profiling end!

45 posted on 04/22/2012 2:19:49 PM PDT by drpix
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To: Jack Hydrazine

White people are more likely to kill strangers while blacks are more likely to kill friends and family. That’s comforting.


46 posted on 04/22/2012 2:53:02 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: KeyLargo

“The majority of white victims and white offenders know one another unlike the random killings by out of control blacks.”

The MSM simply loves to exploit cases where white people are accused of murder.

Look at all the high profile cases.

Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, Andrea Yates, Gary Ridgeway, David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy and Henry Lee Lucas.

These cases got a lot of attention, unlike others.


47 posted on 04/22/2012 3:10:39 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Jaded
Not the strongest conclusion to be drawn.

What these show is that WoW & BoB "friend or acquaintance" homicides have crisscrossed each other over the years.

Similarly WoW & BoB "stranger" homicides have crisscrossed.

BoW "friend or acquaintance" homicides have steadily been only slightly higher than WoB "friend or acquaintance" homicides.

What does standout as the MOST GLARING statistic is that Black on White "stranger" homicides have consistently be multiples higher than White on Black "stranger" homicides.

48 posted on 04/22/2012 3:22:41 PM PDT by drpix
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To: Sherman Logan

“What we find is that in homicide cases where there’s just a single victim whose murder may be attributed to a single offender, the victim racial’s category is the same as that of the offender. In 2008, that means that 83.3% of murdered white victims were killed by white offenders, while 90% of black murder victims were killed by black offenders.”

See graphs.

http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2011/03/who-kills-who.html


49 posted on 04/22/2012 3:24:47 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Da Coyote

Math and liberal fantasies are divergent so the facts are wrong. And if you don’t accept that you are a racist and no one should listen to you any more.


50 posted on 04/22/2012 3:27:57 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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