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Rep. King Wants To Know Whether 'Per Diem' Used To Pay Colombia Prostitutes
FoxNews ^ | April 22, 2012

Posted on 04/22/2012 12:49:44 PM PDT by Steelfish

Rep. King Wants To Know Whether 'Per Diem' Used To Pay Colombia Prostitutes April 22, 2012

A top House Republican wants to know whether Secret Service employees involved in the prostitution scandal in Colombia used their taxpayer "per diem" to pay any of the women for their services.

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King, R-N.Y., posed the question along with dozens of others in a letter to Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan as part of his committee's escalating probe into the controversy. The questions covered everything from the potential security risks to internal training procedures.

On the issue of prostitute payment, King asked the director two questions -- how many agents paid the women, and how many "provided monetary remuneration to the female foreign nationals involved in the alleged incident in Colombia with the per diem provided by the U.S. government?"

It's unclear how much money the agents may have shelled out on the night in question, or whether any of that money came from the government pocketbook -- one of the women reportedly was paid $225 for the night. It's one of the many questions lawmakers have for the Obama administration as they launch their own investigations into the alleged misconduct.

"Every possible lead is being examined," King said Sunday. Asked about King's letter, Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan told FoxNews.com in an e-mail: "We'll answer all inquiries from Congress."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hookergate; obamascandals; peterking; secretservice
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1 posted on 04/22/2012 12:49:47 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

He should ask Spitzer how this is arranged, he should know!!!


2 posted on 04/22/2012 12:52:00 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Steelfish

What a chickensh*t question — would it make any fifference if they had paid the prostitutes with their own funds?


3 posted on 04/22/2012 12:53:04 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Steelfish

Of course it was used. Per deim is a set daily amount to pay expenses while traveling. How you spend it is your choice and usuall receipts are not required. You can buy meals or hookers, it is your choice.


4 posted on 04/22/2012 12:54:47 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter; 353FMG

Exactly right. This is a stupid line of questioning.


5 posted on 04/22/2012 12:57:22 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Okieshooter
Yes, but you don't have the 'per diem' until you file your claim.

King should have asked did the SS use any Gov't issued Credit Cards or funds.

The 'per diem' is merely for headlines and buzz.

6 posted on 04/22/2012 12:57:30 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Theoria

You don’t need to file an itemized claim for a per diem. That’s the whole point.


7 posted on 04/22/2012 12:58:58 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Steelfish

No. It was their per noctem.


8 posted on 04/22/2012 12:59:28 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: 353FMG

It sounds like he is getting after whether or not direct tax payer money was used. They crossed the line. King is seeing how by far.


9 posted on 04/22/2012 12:59:43 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: 353FMG

Not only is it a stupid question, it is impossible to determine if it is true. If I give you $200 per day in per diem, you can use it any way you want. It is mixed with your own personal money. You are free to stay in a $500 per night hotel and run up bar and food tabs of $300 per day, but you still get the $200 per diem payment. If you are frugal and can live on $100 per day, you can pocket the other $100 per day.


10 posted on 04/22/2012 1:00:02 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Yes, but the guy could have used his savings or anything. Per diem is merely for headlines.


11 posted on 04/22/2012 1:01:37 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Steelfish

They converted “per diem” to “per shtup”. :D


12 posted on 04/22/2012 1:01:37 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Steelfish

If an agent has receipts for spending on meals for that day which is equal to or more than the per diem, this particular matter would be resolved.

If an agent does not have such receipts, they’d be open to the accusation that their per diem was used on that day towards paying the prostitute. Since money is fungible, IMHO, it would be extremely difficult to avoid such a charge without receipts proving that the per diem was spent on valid items.

IMHO.


13 posted on 04/22/2012 1:04:34 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

By the slice.


14 posted on 04/22/2012 1:06:25 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Steelfish

Things have not been the same with the Secret Service since Clinton was President. Clinton: “Well when you are away you don’t have access to your own food, so we reimburse you for restaurants, you don’t have access to your own home, so were imburse you for hotels, you don’t have access to your wives, so.....”


15 posted on 04/22/2012 1:08:39 PM PDT by allendale
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To: omega4412

Veni...veritas.


16 posted on 04/22/2012 1:10:48 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: Steelfish

Once the PD is paid, it becomes their personal funds. Sheesh!

We’ve got much bigger fish to fry than this silly crap. Granted the SS has brought shame and dishonor on their agency. However, the longer we yammer about this BS, the longer the progressives have to continue their destruction of the country.

Let’s put this crap in its proper place in the grand scheme of things, and get back to the business of saving the nation.


17 posted on 04/22/2012 1:14:17 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: danamco

Congressmen get really testy when there is a party and they aren’t invited.


18 posted on 04/22/2012 1:18:23 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Tell those Upstate New Yorkers to stop peeing in the downstate drinking water reservoirs, it is making those Downstate Congressman, regardless of party, talk stupid.


19 posted on 04/22/2012 1:19:18 PM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Yes, money is fungible. So the question is pointless. Someone can “profit” off of his per diem by spending $20 on food where he’s allowed $35. That money is his to keep.

Now that it’s his money, whether he puts it in the bank or spends it on hookers, it’s still his money.


20 posted on 04/22/2012 1:20:08 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Steelfish

This whole thing is starting to smell manufactured.


21 posted on 04/22/2012 1:20:19 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Steelfish
Just in case some did not know..

Per diem for that city in Colombia can be more than $400.00 / day That's tax free and is in addition to salary and other benefits.. and of course it is seven days a week working in country or not.

BTW, for the GSA boys and girls the per diem for Las Vegas I believe is a little over $100 / day. Seems small to me but could be.

There are (were) other expenses covered beyond what per diem such as transportation to/from the airport and taxis in country. Those you had to justify.

.. and you can collect per diem in advance..

unless they changed things since the Nixon Administration.

22 posted on 04/22/2012 1:20:19 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

King only wants the limelight — he won’t even wait for an answer.

It reminds me of the time when he headed a committee to investigate whether Islam was a threat to the security of this nation. Nothing came of it.

(Hey Mr. King, what did you find out about Islam?)


23 posted on 04/22/2012 1:35:02 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

You can ask for an ADVANCE on your per-diem, but it is paid after the fact. So, IF the independent contractors (a.k.a. “Hookers”) were paid in cash, it would have been from personal funds.

They did not break any local laws, so what is the deal?


24 posted on 04/22/2012 1:35:54 PM PDT by ace2u_in_MD (You missed something...)
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To: ace2u_in_MD
They did not break any local laws, so what is the deal?

If any were under 18, it would be a very big deal - as in up to 30 years in federal prison.

25 posted on 04/22/2012 1:49:02 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Steelfish
One wonders about Congressmen on both sides of the aisle sometimes. What part of "Money is fungible," doesn't Congressman King understand? The question is meaningless. If a SS agent is paid a salary and a per diem (and, hypothetically, earns money on the side with a home business) it is meaningless to ask whether the money he spent on a hooker came from his salary or his per diem (or any other source of income), because money is fungible!!!
26 posted on 04/22/2012 1:49:14 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: SoothingDave
Yes, money is fungible. So the question is pointless. Someone can “profit” off of his per diem by spending $20 on food where he’s allowed $35. That money is his to keep.

Now that it’s his money, whether he puts it in the bank or spends it on hookers, it’s still his money.


Right, technically, there's no problem from an IRS code point of view, though there probably are some Secret Service rules broken. I'm just thinking that politically, a Congressional committee would add this to the list of expense account frauds they could rake some of these guys over the coals for if they did the old "fast-food/eat cheap and spend my per diem on something else" game. Though it's technically not fraud, at that point it becomes a "hooker per diem". If they had bought a few nice cigars, no one would have really cared.
27 posted on 04/22/2012 1:53:17 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: ace2u_in_MD
Re: per diem paid after the fact? you mean when you return?

I swear I recall getting advance before I left. It's been a long time.

But I went TDY months at a time. Once for two years and had to fly home every six months -- at least when it was overseas.

I don't think I had to do that on domestic TDY.

Not military, all civilian. Yes I was a GS employee for a few years.

28 posted on 04/22/2012 1:53:54 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 353FMG
Meanwhile, he's spoiling any chance of the GOP scoring any points on this issue, by lobbing such softball questions. Questions that anyone could knock out of the park, by reminding King that money is fungible. (Did I use a softball metaphor? I should have used a Tee ball metaphor. That question was set on a Tee, so that anyone could hit it.)

Could it be that both sides of the aisle are conspiring to bury this scandal ASAP — because they all have something to hide?

29 posted on 04/22/2012 2:00:20 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Per diem for that city in Colombia can be more than $400.00 / day

Guys and gals, can we just try to get this straight. Per diem allowance in fact consists of two pieces: lodging, which is reimbursed up to the max when you submit receipts; and, meals and inceidental expenses (M&IE), which is a set amount that you just get and no receipts are required. State Department sets foreign per diem rates and GSA sets the domestic U.S. rates. For instance the hotel allowance in Cartagena is $304, and meals is $107.

Las Vegas lodging is $99 and meals is $71.

King is blowing smoke. There is no way that someone's per diem covers the kinds of services that are under discussion.

30 posted on 04/22/2012 2:01:06 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: 353FMG

Politically, one Representative can’t press that issue to it’s rightful conclusion - at this point in time. All he can do is keep nudging the issue from time to time.

The more elected officials who join in condemning the treasonous, murderous cult the better. We need to keep making progress in general public awareness of this scourge on our nation.

I hope that it will be completely removed from America as soon as possible.

More grassroots education and action in every sphere of life is necessary.

IMHO.


31 posted on 04/22/2012 2:02:33 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Eating cheaply, and spending the per diem on something else isn’t just “technically” not a fraud. It is a perfectly reasonable, and completely legal thing to do.

Most organizations (private and public sector) pay travelling employees per diems because it’s actually cheaper than requiring itemized accounting of all expenditures. If you are given (say) up to $50.00 for a meal allowance, and have to submit a receipt — then you’ll tend to spend $50.00 per meal. If you receive a per diem of $40 per meal, and spend only $30 — then both you, and your employer come out ahead.


32 posted on 04/22/2012 2:07:06 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: danamco

Spitz paid 4500 for what e could have gotten for 225 in Columbia.


33 posted on 04/22/2012 2:08:33 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: PieterCasparzen

>More grassroots education and action in every sphere of life is necessary.<

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More education, you said?

Like keeping no child behind?

(Sigh)


34 posted on 04/22/2012 2:08:48 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Steelfish
Peter King: Makes me proud NOT to be a Republican.
Peter King: Makes Democrats look good.
What a maroon.
35 posted on 04/22/2012 2:32:00 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Way over prized, LOL.The G-man would only pay $30, that probably what he used to pay in Ghana and other places he’s been!!!


36 posted on 04/22/2012 2:39:34 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA; Okieshooter; 353FMG
>> Exactly right. This is a stupid line of questioning. <<<

RINO Peter King spotted a TV camera and another opportunity to beat his chest and portray himself as a heroic corruption fighter. The egomaniac can't help himself.

37 posted on 04/22/2012 2:40:52 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Steelfish

Gov travel, per diem and allowable expenses are not paid until the expense report has been filed.....after the trip.


38 posted on 04/22/2012 2:44:03 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Don't" read 'HOPE' by L Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman...it will bring tears to eyes. BOR!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Steelfish

Makes sense. $47 sounds like a per diem amount that only bureaucrats could come up with.


39 posted on 04/22/2012 2:48:37 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Steelfish

A bucj h of prostitutes are already on the US payroll, although they may not refer to themselves that way


40 posted on 04/22/2012 2:50:45 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Steelfish
Was per diem used to facilitate carpe diem?

Neither is related to Ngo Dinh Diem.

41 posted on 04/22/2012 2:51:32 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Revolting cat!

Sounds like King is looking for chump change fake receipts on dinner checks. What an idiot.


42 posted on 04/22/2012 3:05:01 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Any Republican. Just NO Obama.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Exactly!

I got per diem for traveling with a US military sports team. On trips to Canada I took the pop-up camper and ate at McDonalds instead of staying at Holiday Inn and eating at Outback.

Took the savings and bought my wife a Eurail Pass to follow me and the team around to the various European national championships.

Back then Canada was $35/day, Europe between $51 and $53.


43 posted on 04/22/2012 3:06:22 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Steelfish

King is a grandstanding idiot, with a laser-like focus on irrelevant details.


44 posted on 04/22/2012 3:09:06 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

“Could it be that both sides of the aisle are conspiring to bury this scandal ASAP....”

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Are you still in doubt that the RATs and the GOP are in cahoots with each other? Not just on this subject, but on many more?

Bring up the subject of term limits and see how fast they will gang up together to defeat it.


45 posted on 04/22/2012 3:14:23 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Steelfish

IMHO, I think Mr. King is overstepping his bounds since that money is considered personal money.

When I worked for a DoD company, we got a per-diem. Hotel was separate expense. So what we usually did was stay at a hotel with a free breakfast and then eat cheaply or even better, do a very late, late lunch. At the end of the trip, it was some nice extra money to pocket and was tax free.

On one trip, we had some executive types with us and they tried to force us to do a common check for the meals and indirectly expected us non-exec types to foot the bill for their fancy meal. They weren’t happy when a few of us folks pushed back.

I worked for a different company in the early 1990’s in Indianapolis and for quite a few months, I had to to frequent trips to and from Chicago and I drove a beat up truck and took it on the trips. The executive VP of finance caught wind what a few of us were spending our mileage checks on and she pretty well required us to fly afterward. Even a trip to Cincinnati, we had to fly. IN that company we were not given a per-diem. One guy used the money to fix up his vehicle.


46 posted on 04/22/2012 3:20:16 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: Steelfish

Yo Pete, it’s $20.00. Just like downtown.


47 posted on 04/22/2012 3:40:07 PM PDT by jaz.357 (Newt is nuts!)
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To: Steelfish

On page to of the on-line Per Diem drop down is Whore Fee.


48 posted on 04/22/2012 3:44:27 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

You may have gotten an Advance. But per-dime covers Expenses, so it is paid after the Spenser’s were incurred.

Would you have had to repay the money if the trip was cut short had not occurred at all?


49 posted on 04/22/2012 3:58:11 PM PDT by ace2u_in_MD (You missed something...)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Up to the applicable Federal per diem rate. There are quite a few rules, including being paid under and “accountable plan”, etc.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p463/ch06.html#en_US_2011_publink100034177

Some employers and employees may be way off the mark on compliance but not realize it or really care unless they’re audited.


50 posted on 04/22/2012 4:35:26 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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