Posted on 04/22/2012 4:51:31 PM PDT by Lorianne
The big news out of the French election: Marine Le-Pen, the head of the far right wing National Front party, secured 20% of the vote in the first round of voting.
Le-Pen is now out of the race (the runoff on May 6 will be between Sarkozy and Socialist challenger Hollande), but a 20% showing for the anti-immigration, Euroskeptic candidate is a lightning bolt for France and all of Europe.
The other big event in Europe this weekend was in the Netherdlands, where a budget deal collapsed thanks to a revolt lead by another right winger: Geert Wilders.
From AFP:
The breakdown after seven weeks of talks on austerity measures between Premier Mark Rutte's ruling coalition and Wilders' eurosceptic, anti-Islamist Freedom Party (PVV) has destabilized the political scene.
Wilders walked out of the talks on Saturday saying his party "could not live up to" European Union demands, arguing that the cuts aimed at steering The Netherlands back within EU deficit targets would hit the elderly the hardest.
So the Netherlands, a country nobody was talking about, is now without a budget, and without a government. Elections will have to be called soon after the coalition breakdown.
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“The right wing” in France is still what we would call socialist
You are making the common mistake of assuming that Nazis and fascists are actually right-wing. They have much more in common with the revolutionary aims of leftism than with any brand of right-wing conservatism...
As I said they are still socialists
“Conservatism” is not necesarily “right”. It is simply the desire for things to remain the same or go to what they were. At one point in history our constitution, which is what American conservatism wants to go back to, was considered “leftist” and “liberal” while loyalty to England and the monarchy was “conservative” and “right wing”. Right/Left/Liberal/Conservative is dependent on the situation and is not a blanket meaning throughout the world.
Seems French people who voted against Sarkozy/for Le Pen, are upset about the *economy*...if we can draw a parallel to the USA...Mr. Hussein is in deeper sh!t than the press will admit. Heh.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9219770/Francois-Hollande-beats-Nicolas-Sarkozy-in-presidential-election-first-round.html
Wilders is anti-Islamic-immigration. If he makes a case about money going to welfare for Islamic immigrants, at the expense of native elderly, he could ride it to a big win.
the political spectrum is not linear but circular. picture a clock face. fascism 0100 conservatism 0300
moderate 0600 original definition of liberalism 0800 democrap party/euro socialism 1000, communism 1100. so fascism and comminism are very close to the same think
Marine Le Pen, as distinct from her father, is pro-Israel, pro-life, anti-euthanasia, anti-Islamic immigration. The people who voted for her did so to send a message to Sarkozy that he better move right. They are unlikely to vote for the pro-Islamic socialist in the runoff. Le Pen will likely demand a seat at the table from Sarkozy.
The American Revolutionaries weren’t quite as ‘Revolutionary’ as people think. They fought to maintain traditional English liberties that they considered were being eroded by the British Crown. The subsequent US Constitution was aimed at entrenching those old ideals and liberties against the pressures of increasing government centralisation.
The French Revolution was a genuine left-wing Revolutionary attempt to destroy all vestiges of the old system, right down to the attempt to turn the year back to zero...
I’d have to take your word for that, as I don’t take any particular interest in modern French politics...
I believe he’s also the filmmaker of Fitna (google it - can’t remember if Youtube was intimidated into pulling it or not.) This guy has had death threats, you name it. He’s a brave voice against the horrors of Islam and he shows a lot of courage in running for public service. Hope he has a lot of bodyguards.
Belgium set a record of going 541 days without a government, finally swearing in a new government last December. Not much changed during that time. How much government do we really need?
Why do you say that she is pro-life? She supports legalized abortion.
And, not guilty either...of course, you gotta like a woman named Marine.
A note also, per Wikipedia, "Marine Le Pen stirred up controversy during the internal campaign. During a speech to the party faithful in Lyon on 10 December 2010, she said that the weekly illegal blocking of public streets and squares throughout France (notably the rue Myrha in the 18th arrondissement of Paris) for Muslim prayers is comparable with an occupation of parts of French territory."
That was my take-away too.
Not that it will help us much if we do get the presidency with a Romney seated there.
i don't think "conservatism" is a "wing".
As for the right and the left, both extremes circle around and meet at the back.
not guilty is not guilty.
"say, what was your name again?"
Yes. Some people forget what ‘revolution’ means. Imagine a wheel making ONE revolution....
Sounds like the US.
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