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Right Wingers In Europe Just Fired Off Two Huge Torpedoes
Business Insider ^ | 22 April 2012 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 04/22/2012 4:51:31 PM PDT by Lorianne

The big news out of the French election: Marine Le-Pen, the head of the far right wing National Front party, secured 20% of the vote in the first round of voting.

Le-Pen is now out of the race (the runoff on May 6 will be between Sarkozy and Socialist challenger Hollande), but a 20% showing for the anti-immigration, Euroskeptic candidate is a lightning bolt for France and all of Europe.

The other big event in Europe this weekend was in the Netherdlands, where a budget deal collapsed thanks to a revolt lead by another right winger: Geert Wilders.

From AFP:

The breakdown after seven weeks of talks on austerity measures between Premier Mark Rutte's ruling coalition and Wilders' eurosceptic, anti-Islamist Freedom Party (PVV) has destabilized the political scene.

Wilders walked out of the talks on Saturday saying his party "could not live up to" European Union demands, arguing that the cuts aimed at steering The Netherlands back within EU deficit targets would hit the elderly the hardest.

So the Netherlands, a country nobody was talking about, is now without a budget, and without a government. Elections will have to be called soon after the coalition breakdown.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


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1 posted on 04/22/2012 4:51:39 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

“The right wing” in France is still what we would call socialist


2 posted on 04/22/2012 4:56:55 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

You are making the common mistake of assuming that Nazis and fascists are actually right-wing. They have much more in common with the revolutionary aims of leftism than with any brand of right-wing conservatism...


3 posted on 04/22/2012 5:14:41 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

As I said they are still socialists


4 posted on 04/22/2012 5:17:08 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“Conservatism” is not necesarily “right”. It is simply the desire for things to remain the same or go to what they were. At one point in history our constitution, which is what American conservatism wants to go back to, was considered “leftist” and “liberal” while loyalty to England and the monarchy was “conservative” and “right wing”. Right/Left/Liberal/Conservative is dependent on the situation and is not a blanket meaning throughout the world.


5 posted on 04/22/2012 5:20:26 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: GeronL
**Le Pen, who took over the anti-immigration National Front in early 2011, wants jobs reserved for French nationals at a time when jobless claims are at a 12-year high. She also advocates abandoning the euro currency and restoring monetary policy to Paris.**

Seems French people who voted against Sarkozy/for Le Pen, are upset about the *economy*...if we can draw a parallel to the USA...Mr. Hussein is in deeper sh!t than the press will admit. Heh.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9219770/Francois-Hollande-beats-Nicolas-Sarkozy-in-presidential-election-first-round.html

6 posted on 04/22/2012 5:23:27 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Lorianne
Wilders walked out of the talks on Saturday saying his party "could not live up to" European Union demands, arguing that the cuts aimed at steering The Netherlands back within EU deficit targets would hit the elderly the hardest.

Wilders is anti-Islamic-immigration. If he makes a case about money going to welfare for Islamic immigrants, at the expense of native elderly, he could ride it to a big win.

7 posted on 04/22/2012 5:25:27 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: wolfman23601

the political spectrum is not linear but circular. picture a clock face. fascism 0100 conservatism 0300
moderate 0600 original definition of liberalism 0800 democrap party/euro socialism 1000, communism 1100. so fascism and comminism are very close to the same think


8 posted on 04/22/2012 5:32:46 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Marine Le Pen, as distinct from her father, is pro-Israel, pro-life, anti-euthanasia, anti-Islamic immigration. The people who voted for her did so to send a message to Sarkozy that he better move right. They are unlikely to vote for the pro-Islamic socialist in the runoff. Le Pen will likely demand a seat at the table from Sarkozy.


9 posted on 04/22/2012 5:36:20 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: wolfman23601

The American Revolutionaries weren’t quite as ‘Revolutionary’ as people think. They fought to maintain traditional English liberties that they considered were being eroded by the British Crown. The subsequent US Constitution was aimed at entrenching those old ideals and liberties against the pressures of increasing government centralisation.
The French Revolution was a genuine left-wing Revolutionary attempt to destroy all vestiges of the old system, right down to the attempt to turn the year back to zero...


10 posted on 04/22/2012 5:39:37 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: PapaBear3625

I’d have to take your word for that, as I don’t take any particular interest in modern French politics...


11 posted on 04/22/2012 5:42:23 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: PapaBear3625; All

I believe he’s also the filmmaker of Fitna (google it - can’t remember if Youtube was intimidated into pulling it or not.) This guy has had death threats, you name it. He’s a brave voice against the horrors of Islam and he shows a lot of courage in running for public service. Hope he has a lot of bodyguards.


12 posted on 04/22/2012 5:45:59 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: GeronL

Belgium set a record of going 541 days without a government, finally swearing in a new government last December. Not much changed during that time. How much government do we really need?


13 posted on 04/22/2012 5:46:02 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: PapaBear3625

Why do you say that she is pro-life? She supports legalized abortion.


14 posted on 04/22/2012 5:57:33 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: PapaBear3625
Marine Le Pen, as distinct from her father, is pro-Israel, pro-life, anti-euthanasia, anti-Islamic immigration.

And, not guilty either...of course, you gotta like a woman named Marine.

A note also, per Wikipedia, "Marine Le Pen stirred up controversy during the internal campaign. During a speech to the party faithful in Lyon on 10 December 2010, she said that the weekly illegal blocking of public streets and squares throughout France (notably the rue Myrha in the 18th arrondissement of Paris) for Muslim prayers is comparable with an occupation of parts of French territory."


15 posted on 04/22/2012 6:17:06 PM PDT by moovova
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To: Daffynition

That was my take-away too.

Not that it will help us much if we do get the presidency with a Romney seated there.


16 posted on 04/22/2012 6:23:35 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
of right-wing conservatism..

i don't think "conservatism" is a "wing".

As for the right and the left, both extremes circle around and meet at the back.

17 posted on 04/22/2012 6:34:14 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: moovova
And, not guilty either...of course, you gotta like a woman named Marine.

not guilty is not guilty.

"say, what was your name again?"

18 posted on 04/22/2012 6:35:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Yes. Some people forget what ‘revolution’ means. Imagine a wheel making ONE revolution....


19 posted on 04/22/2012 6:35:49 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Lorianne
So the Netherlands, a country nobody was talking about, is now without a budget, and without a government.

Sounds like the US.

20 posted on 04/22/2012 6:49:03 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: GeronL
The European "right' is traditionally ROYALIST.

Nazis and so forth are considered "Socialist". On the other hand a Christian Social party is actually a Roman Catholic oriented party.

There are a lot of variations on these themes, and depending on the policy you can find parties in unusual places ~ usually because of monetary, tax, or expenditure disputes.

In America the Democrats are clearly ROYALISTS ~

21 posted on 04/22/2012 6:51:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GeronL
The European "right' is traditionally ROYALIST.

Nazis and so forth are considered "Socialist". On the other hand a Christian Social party is actually a Roman Catholic oriented party.

There are a lot of variations on these themes, and depending on the policy you can find parties in unusual places ~ usually because of monetary, tax, or expenditure disputes.

In America the Democrats are clearly ROYALISTS ~

22 posted on 04/22/2012 6:52:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lorianne

20% is only 8 points off the leaders.


23 posted on 04/22/2012 7:01:47 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

The primary reason for the American Revolution was not taxes (a pretext), but expansion, The colonials wanted to expand the colonies to the West, while England, heavily committed to fighting France and being asked to protect the larger colonial possessions, refused. So, in sense, the revolutionaries were imperialists.


24 posted on 04/22/2012 7:06:15 PM PDT by expat2
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

The primary reason for the American Revolution was not taxes (a pretext), but expansion, The colonials wanted to expand the colonies to the West, while England, heavily committed to fighting France and being asked to protect the larger colonial possessions, refused. So, in sense, the revolutionaries were imperialists.


25 posted on 04/22/2012 7:06:38 PM PDT by expat2
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To: bravo whiskey
the political spectrum is not linear but circular.

Yeah, it's linear. That circular model is just a sales gimmick to promote socialism in communist school (American Universities)

On the linear scale, all the way to the left is totatalitarian including monarchy, communism and fascism. In the middle is mild socialism.

Not much to the right of center is found outside of the US, except maybe true anarchy, which is all the way to the right.

26 posted on 04/22/2012 7:24:17 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: muawiyah

I don’t really care about royalty, I want the media to be consistent in their labeling. I know that is never going to happen.


27 posted on 04/22/2012 7:31:38 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: txrefugee
Belgium set a record of going 541 days without a government,

I'm jealous.

28 posted on 04/22/2012 7:34:14 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Agreed. One the left, the state controls everything. On the right, there is no state. Real life is somewhere in between.


29 posted on 04/22/2012 7:35:37 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: GeronL
The traditional media are dying the death of a thousand paper cuts ~ ain't no paper, ain't no ink, ain't no newspaper, and ain't no stink.

Everything is flowing down hill to the totally unaccountable INTERNET which is as it should be.

Let the reader beware!

30 posted on 04/22/2012 7:44:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: expat2
Sometimes we forget who the colonials were. Niles Michigan is located near the very ancient Fort St. Joseph. During the Revolution the Cahokia militia went up there and kicked the Brits out ~ UNDER A SPANISH FLAG.

So, how did that happen?

Part of the answer is that as Spain relinquished rule to France and England, not everybody who stayed behind agreed with that solution. Then, too, there were all those other folks who'd come here from the various parts of the so-called Hapsburg Empire (actually independent states under the rule or influence of members of the same family ~ called the Hapsburgs).

The ambitions of "Spanish" immigrants from what is now Dutch speaking Belgium weren't really that different from the ambitions of "Dutch" immigrants from what is now Nederlands! Once they were here they were all the same thing ~ in the long run England didn't have a chance!

Hapsburg rule weakened and passed on of its own accord, but the people didn't.

31 posted on 04/22/2012 7:51:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lorianne

“So the Netherlands, a country nobody was talking about, is now without a budget...”

So what’s the problem? We haven’t had one of them things for three years!

“...and without a government.”

You’re making me jealous.


32 posted on 04/22/2012 7:58:40 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: bravo whiskey
the political spectrum is not linear but circular.

Here is a very good explanation of the types of 'isms' of that humanity uses, and why we have a republic:

Enjoy!

33 posted on 04/22/2012 7:59:45 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

You’re correct. The American Revolution was - in reality - a Civil War; Colonialists against Royalists. Glad the Royalists lost!


34 posted on 04/22/2012 8:09:17 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Lorianne

Go Geert!!


35 posted on 04/22/2012 8:18:57 PM PDT by citizen (Obama blames:arab spring,banks,big drug/oil,bush,ceos,christians,coal,earthquake/tsumani,fnc,wall st)
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To: brityank
Here is a very good explanation of the types of 'isms' of that humanity uses

" -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people."

36 posted on 04/22/2012 8:26:54 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: brityank

Btt


37 posted on 04/22/2012 8:49:50 PM PDT by An American in Turkiye
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To: Parmenio
Why do you say that she is pro-life? She supports legalized abortion.

From here:

Note: Marine has said she would attempt to restrict abortions by removing them from insurance coverage, i.e., the woman would pay the medical expense. She has also said that would give married women financial incentives to stay home to raise their children, instead of being forced to work. And she has said that young girls who are pregnant would be given a real choice between abortion and pre-natal adoption. Marine has said that today Planned Parenthood gives girls the choice between an "abortion and an "abortion".

She has thus gone further than any other candidate, and much further than her father or even herself in the past, towards advocating measures that would curtail abortions.

The French Left is currently going nuts over her proposal to stop covering abortion under government health care (ie, if you want an abortion, you have to pay for it yourself).

So it's a bit complicated. Has she come out in favor of making abortion a death-penalty offense? No. Has she taken a more pro-life position than any of the other candidates in France? Yes.

38 posted on 04/23/2012 5:15:09 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: llandres
I believe he’s also the filmmaker of Fitna (google it - can’t remember if Youtube was intimidated into pulling it or not.) This guy has had death threats, you name it.

Yes he is. Geert has to live under 24/7 guard against Islamic assassins. He also was put on trial for "inciting racial hatred" because of his remarks on Islam.

39 posted on 04/23/2012 5:28:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
" The American Revolutionaries weren’t quite as ‘Revolutionary’ as people think. They fought to maintain traditional English liberties that they considered were being eroded by the British Crown. The subsequent US Constitution was aimed at entrenching those old ideals and liberties against the pressures of increasing government centralisation. The French Revolution was a genuine left-wing Revolutionary attempt to destroy all vestiges of the old system, right down to the attempt to turn the year back to zero... "

Yes. And, no.

The constitution grew out of an attempt to revise the Articles of Confederation. The point of which was to increase centralization because of issues left over from trying to fight an empire with thirteen sovereign (but small and fractious) states.

Eighty or so years later the South suffered from the same issues and lost.

40 posted on 04/23/2012 6:38:26 AM PDT by norton (I will transmit this information to Vladimir.)
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To: PapaBear3625

And the quote says explicitly that she supports legalized abortion. In other words, though she’s “personally opposed” to abortion, she wants to still allow it, so that it’s “safe and rare”. Where have you heard that before?


41 posted on 04/23/2012 6:46:58 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Parmenio
And the quote says explicitly that she supports legalized abortion. In other words, though she’s “personally opposed” to abortion, she wants to still allow it, so that it’s “safe and rare”.

Of the three major candidates, she was the ONLY one to promote any sort of measure which would act to reduce abortion (eliminating government funding for it). If you do not consider her sufficieently "pro-life", you still must admit she's the least "pro-abortion" candidate among the three.

In a democracy, you must first get widespread agreement that a measure is desired before passing a law mandating it, if you want to survive the next election.

42 posted on 04/23/2012 6:53:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625

Prior to this election, she wanted abortion to be illegal. Now she’s shifted to a more liberal position. You’re making an excellent argument for Romney, by the way.


43 posted on 04/23/2012 7:01:06 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: PapaBear3625

That’s what I remember. He’s a real hero. I’ve heard him speak a couple of times on tv.


44 posted on 04/23/2012 7:09:21 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Parmenio
I understand. You want a candidate who is perfectly in agreement with your position, and will accept nothing less.

For myself, I'm pro-gun to the point where I would like to repeal all gun-restrictions enacted since the National Firearms Act of 1934, allowing any citizen to purchase any sort of firearm for cash with no record keeping, including full-auto weapons. I'm realistic on the probability of getting that all at once, and am satisfied with an incremental approach, and will be satisfied with whatever electable candidate works to further reduce restrictions while not permitting further restrictions.

45 posted on 04/23/2012 7:09:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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