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Some parks age better than others (Fenway Park is a dump)
LA Times ^ | April 21, 2012 | Bill Shaikin

Posted on 04/22/2012 6:48:26 PM PDT by presidio9

The Boston Red Sox alumni took the field Friday, from Jim Rice to Carl Yastrzemski, from Johnny Pesky to Pedro Martinez, all in a graceful celebration of Fenway Park's 100th birthday.

If Frank McCourt had had his way, the party never would have happened.

McCourt tried to buy his hometown Red Sox in 2001, with a plan to build a new ballpark on his Boston waterfront parking lots. He had the right idea.

Luke Scott of the Tampa Bay Rays took a lot of grief last week for calling Fenway "a dump." He had the right idea too. The Angels have held Sunday chapel services in the shower because there was no other space available in the visiting clubhouse.

Fenway Park is a tiny ballpark wedged into a tiny city block, with tiny seats from an era before fast food had been invented, let alone Lipitor.

It is a dump, but it is a beloved dump, where Grandpa saw Ted Williams and Dad saw Carlton Fisk and the kids saw David Ortiz.

When the triumvirate of John Henry, Larry Lucchino and Tom Werner beat out McCourt and a host of others to buy the Red Sox, the new owners decided to rehabilitate Fenway rather than abandon it. If the outpouring of civic affection on Friday was any indication, the good people of Boston have long made their peace with Fenway's limitations.

McCourt moved on to buy the Dodgers, and to sell them. With ownership of the team set to change hands in eight days, the new owners — Mark Walter, Stan Kasten, Magic Johnson and Co. — ought to keep the Fenway experience in mind.

Dodger Stadium has room that Fenway does not — room to

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: California; US: Massachusetts; US: New York
KEYWORDS: boston; bostonsucks; downbytheriver; fenwayparkdump; florida; massachusetts; newyork; tampabay; therivercharles

1 posted on 04/22/2012 6:48:31 PM PDT by presidio9
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2 posted on 04/22/2012 6:53:58 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: presidio9

Yes but it’s their dump and the Sox fans love it. Everything else is irrelevant.


3 posted on 04/22/2012 6:55:43 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: presidio9

I have been to fenway, and you can definitely tell it’s 100 years old. but old doesn’t necessarily mean bad.

red sox fans like their stadium just fine. they love the place the way they love their grandmothers, not the way we love, say, megan fox.

that’s an important difference.


4 posted on 04/22/2012 7:01:11 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Henry Hnyellar
Everything else is irrelevant.

Except the fact that while building your team around the most unusual home condtions in all of pro sports may be incredibly effective in the regular season, it has less effect in the post season where the competition is more elite. Fenway Park, not Babe Ruth, was the biggest contributor to a 94-year championship drought. Here's hoping the Sox stubbornly refuse to ever leave.

5 posted on 04/22/2012 7:04:59 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

One can NOT LOVE FENWAY!!
It’s all about the game , the BoSox and the history!!
Yeah, it’s our dump...and we do love us some Fenway!

Thank God Frank McCourt moved to LA... whatttadope!


6 posted on 04/22/2012 7:05:43 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: JohnBrowdie

To be honest, I don't even love my girlfriend the same way I love Megan Fox.

7 posted on 04/22/2012 7:06:52 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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Who the heck is Megan Fox?

Oh wait... I’ll go ask my teen BoSox fan who is more important!

I already know the answer... she ain’t it!


8 posted on 04/22/2012 7:10:37 PM PDT by acapesket
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I already know the answer... she ain’t it!

Your son is gay? Sorry to hear that.

Love him for who he is, not what he does.

9 posted on 04/22/2012 7:13:07 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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As he said, She is not attainable, Fenway is a place he can go every day of the season and he will not get herpes from going there.

You have been in Presidio too long!


10 posted on 04/22/2012 7:18:08 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: presidio9

I find Fenway & Wrigley charming - much better than the concrete bowls of the 70’s.


11 posted on 04/22/2012 7:20:54 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: P.O.E.
And one fellow liked Wrigley so much he used it as his home address.


12 posted on 04/22/2012 7:32:21 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Liberty Valance

Red Sox...70’s...Fenway Park. Good times.


13 posted on 04/22/2012 8:53:05 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Waiting for the new tagline to download)
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To: presidio9
I liked Fenway just fine Saturday, innings 7-9. :)
14 posted on 04/22/2012 8:53:49 PM PDT by MacMattico
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They’ve won two World Series in the last 10 years. The two they lost in the 70’s and 80’s could hardly be chalked up to the stadium. The Reds were the stronger team in 1976 and the error by the unfortunate Bill Buckner had nothing to do with the stadium when the Sox lost in 1986.

In 1967 they over achieved and made it to the World Series. They lost to another superior team in the Cardinals with one of the best pitchers of all time, Bob Gibson. The series still went seven and Gibson won three of the four games for the Cardinals. His pitching was dominant in any stadium, so I don’t see how Fenway had anything to do with the Sox loss.

1942 was the last time the Sox were in the Series before 67. This stretch of regular season lack of success does little to bolster your argument.


15 posted on 04/22/2012 8:58:01 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: presidio9
GSM has done well.


16 posted on 04/22/2012 9:05:17 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: acapesket

An actress with lots of tattoos. Pretty face but that is about it.


17 posted on 04/22/2012 9:07:22 PM PDT by xp38
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To: wally_bert

18 posted on 04/22/2012 9:09:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: xp38

Got that!

Thought my hormonal child’s comment was pretty funny though!

God Bless Megan Fox whoever she is

Tattoos Blow


19 posted on 04/22/2012 9:28:32 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: acapesket

Hmmm... Gay AND a Sawks fan?

You’re right.

No God could be that cruel.


20 posted on 04/22/2012 9:40:35 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

OH FGS! Will ya stop with the “Gay” crap?
It’s HARD enough being a BoSox fan already!


21 posted on 04/22/2012 9:50:17 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: presidio9

See... there ya go!
Eric Fehrnstrom..(Romney suckup/idiot from Wayback) just tweeted on Drudge that O Blame all got booed on drudge!

My fellow moron fans do have a few good qualities afterall!


22 posted on 04/22/2012 10:01:13 PM PDT by acapesket
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Sorry... I am ti tie!
Fehrnstrom said on drudge that O blame got booed at Fenway!!

So THERE!

If I could still speaka da Eng.. I’d fight ya... but I gotta go to bed!
LOL


23 posted on 04/22/2012 10:05:08 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: presidio9

Please explain how Fenway Park, the park itself, inhibits the Red Sox from winning the World Series? Please provide stats and data to back up your claim. I would really like to see that information.


24 posted on 04/23/2012 3:17:20 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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I thought I did. After an initial period of sucess in their new stadium, the Red Sox franchise proceeded to lose four WS in a row over a 96 year period. In the period since free agency was instituted they have averaged the second highest average payroll. Recent sucess notwithstanding, something must be blamed for the generally poor performance against the highest competition. The same time period since the Red Sox moved into Fenway, their chief rival has won 27 championships, 7 in the free agent period.

You can pick superstion if you like. My suggestion makes more sense. If you are a numbers guy, I welcome your compilation of statistics that proove me wrong.

25 posted on 04/24/2012 11:16:24 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar
Your point about the Reds being the better team in 76 proves my point about the stadium's incentive to build your team around numbers guys who do just fine against lesser competition. Same goes for 67. And you people really need to give Bill Buckner a break. The Mets still had to whip their asses in game seven (and did). Come to think of it, the 86 Mets were probably better than either the 67 Cardinals or the 76 Reds. They played down to the level of their competition and won anyway.
26 posted on 04/24/2012 11:24:30 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: acapesket

Please. The team mascot is Caroline Kennedy.


27 posted on 04/24/2012 11:26:26 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

I saw a game there long ago and I looked around and realized that Babe Ruth played baseball games in that stadium. And so did Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Bob Feller, Ty Cobb... etc., etc. Fenway may be a dump, but it’s also a big piece of American history.


28 posted on 04/24/2012 11:43:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: presidio9
I thought I did.

No, you haven't. Not even close.

After an initial period of sucess in their new stadium, the Red Sox franchise proceeded to lose four WS in a row over a 96 year period.

Explain how the park itself caused that. That was your claim.

In the period since free agency was instituted they have averaged the second highest average payroll. Recent sucess notwithstanding, something must be blamed for the generally poor performance against the highest competition.

Again, explain how the park itself contributes to their lack of success.

The same time period since the Red Sox moved into Fenway, their chief rival has won 27 championships, 7 in the free agent period.

So?

You can pick superstion if you like. My suggestion makes more sense. If you are a numbers guy, I welcome your compilation of statistics that proove me wrong.

I don't believe in superstition either. As to proving you wrong you made the initial claim and I asked to show how the park is to blame. Trying to turn it around on me is the sign so someone who is trying to bs and doesn't have any proof. So, basically, you ARE using some ethereal notion to explain their lack of success. Or, otherwise known as superstition.

29 posted on 04/25/2012 3:10:25 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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Wally the Green Monster would take exception to that!

Has Neil Diamond admitted somewhere that the song is about Caroline Kennedy?

Obama got booed on Opening Day...
doesn’t get much better than that!


30 posted on 04/25/2012 5:11:50 PM PDT by acapesket
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