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France: One in five vote for Marine Le Pen as Nicolas Sarkozy is beaten into second place
The Telegraph ^ | 4/22/2012 | Henry Samuel

Posted on 04/22/2012 10:05:08 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Marine Le Pen secured the highest score for the far-Right in French presidential election history on Sunday, in a third-place finish that will present a major challenge to the two mainstream candidates Nicolas Sarkozy and Francois Hollande, left in the race.

According to official forecasts, the 43-year-old daughter of the founder of the National Front (NF) secured between 18.2 and 20 per cent of the vote, performing even better than Jean Marie Le Pen’s shock result in 2002, when he won 17 per cent.

At her press conference on Sunday night she burst into a rendition of La Marseillaise in front of delirious supporters waving the national flag.

“Whatever happens over the next two weeks, the battle for France has only just begun,” she said.

“We have exploded the monopoly of the two [main] parties of banks, finance, of multinationals, of resignation and abandonment, and carried higher than ever before the hopes of national ideas.

“Faced with an incumbent president at the head of a considerably weakened party, we are the only opposition to the ultra-liberal, lax and libertarian Left.”

Although it failed to take her into the second round, Miss Le Pen’s success will boost her influence on the French political scene, and is likely to hand her party seats in parliament later in the year. It could affect relations with minorities in France and in other European countries after a campaign based on rhetoric against immigrants, Islam and the European Union.

The winner of yesterday’s first round was the Socialist candidate François Hollande, with 28-29 per cent, who will contest the run-off against President Nicolas Sarkozy, who, with 25-27 per cent, became the first incumbent president to lose at the first hurdle.

A victory in the May 6 run-off would make Mr Hollande, 57, France’s first Socialist leader

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1 posted on 04/22/2012 10:05:14 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
victory in the May 6 run-off would make Mr Hollande, 57, France’s first Socialist leader.

Uh, what about Mitterand?
2 posted on 04/22/2012 10:10:53 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Don’t get me started on Mitterand, bastard encouraged the Rwandan Holocaust, hope he’s roasting in Hell.


3 posted on 04/22/2012 10:16:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: bruinbirdman
...France’s first Socialist leader

The writer of this piece is an ignorant dope. How can anyone forget this Pinko loser?


4 posted on 04/22/2012 10:20:55 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Well somebody here scoffed at me the other day about this, on another subject.

But, if I lived in France I think I’d vote for Lepin, if I lived in the UK I’m pretty darned sure I’d vote for UKIP.

I’m a little tired, a gosh darn good bit tired of seeing white people portrayed as the devil, in our own countries.

That’s what happening in France and the UK. And it is going to happen here soon enough, one could argue it is already happening.

It needs to stop.

So, brand me a racist. As Patti Smith said “I just don’t care.”


5 posted on 04/22/2012 10:22:48 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: bruinbirdman
Fabulous.

Sarkozy now has a choice: include the FN or lie about it like he did the last time.

If he tries choice 2, Hollande wins, and Sarkozy heads into history. In the meantime, Le Pen will capture even more support.

The French are fighting back against the Muslim invasion. We can all only hope they win.

6 posted on 04/22/2012 10:22:48 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: dfwgator

He was a real piece of work, no?


7 posted on 04/22/2012 10:23:13 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: bruinbirdman
She got my vote:


8 posted on 04/22/2012 10:27:10 PM PDT by chopperman
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To: jocon307
I watched the French Special Gendarmerie waste the little prick who murdered the children on TV in Paris. It was 4 solid minutes of heavy machine gun fire, and no one in France mourned the SOB except the Invader population.

The vote for Le Pen is a direct result. The real French now know they cannot tolerate this murderous population in their midst, and they want their country back.

9 posted on 04/22/2012 10:28:32 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: jocon307

I’m with you.


10 posted on 04/22/2012 10:34:48 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Regulator

If there is a Europe wide debt bubble burst which is likely in the next few years, groups like the FN will be getting a whole lot of support in the chaos.

The FN’s nationalistic socialism is no better than internationalistic socialism.

Economic freedom and the end of welfare states are better ideas.


11 posted on 04/22/2012 10:38:19 PM PDT by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Army Air Corps
victory in the May 6 run-off would make Mr Hollande, 57, France’s first Socialist leader.

Uh, what about Mitterand?

The rest of the sentence, after the link, reads: "to be elected since François Mitterrand in 1988."

12 posted on 04/22/2012 10:43:54 PM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: bruinbirdman; Impy; fieldmarshaldj

Looks like President Glenn Quadmire (shown here campaigning for votes at a sleazy French strip joint) is getting his butt kicked by a neo-NAZI who puts a smiley face on fascism and holocaust denial, simply because she's the "only" major candidate who takes the Muslim invasion seriously (Glenn Quadmire will play lip service to the issue, then tour a Mosque and offer to distribute Qur'ans in every French household)

Words fail me. Needless to say, the "fifth French Republic" is so screwed up, they make the choices in our election look good.

I think even putting the Napoleon family back in power would be an improvement over any of their "viable" political parties. Or the descendants of Louie & Marie Antoinette for that matter!

13 posted on 04/22/2012 10:51:51 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Regulator

“The real French now know they cannot tolerate this murderous population in their midst, and they want their country back.”

Can they get it? Can we get it?

Look at those scando countries, they’ve let a million (hyperbole, not math) muslims in, why?

I’m sorry folks, very sorry, I only had one, but white people need to have more children,


14 posted on 04/22/2012 10:54:39 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: BillyBoy
I think even putting the Napoleon family back in power would be an improvement over any of their "viable" political parties.

A few of them live here. One of Bonaparte's brothers emigrated to the US and had a lot of descendants.

15 posted on 04/23/2012 12:16:56 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Many of the guys here would vote for her! To quote the story that accompanies the above pic: Sarko and Hollande want to transform the confederation of EU to the federation of USE (United States of Europe), enslaving all Europeans to Brussels and spreading the cancer of socialism. But Marine Le Pen is determined to cut their balls! Venitis Law of Democracy: Every democracy is eventually hijacked by rabblerousers, pullpeddlers, clans of kleptocrats, bumptious bugaboos, busybodies, butterbabies, nabobs of nepotism, cranks of cronyism, pusillanimous pussyfooters, riffraffs of rascals, socialist sophists, and Machiavellian mafiosi. Democracy tends to kleptocracy.
16 posted on 04/23/2012 12:33:51 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Lazlo in PA; Army Air Corps; dfwgator; afraidfortherepublic; mojo114; seenenuf; LucyT; ...

 You guys are all right about Mitterrand. Except he was no pinko- he was RED!
  This article is a total hit piece on President Sarkozy, full of fake statistics and flat out lies. A love song to Marine Le Pen somehow seems the wrong tone to take. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 The “huge” “unprecedented” victory of Hollande over Sarko touted in the leftist MSM press in France, Europe and the US is a whopping 1.45% 
The final vote count is:
Hollande 28.63 %
Sarkozy 27.18 %
Le Pen   17.90 %
Mélenchon 11.11%
Bayrou     9.13 %

These are the official final numbers, not the estimations in this and other articles. 
 As for Mitterrand, you are right about Rwanda. He is also responsible for bringing in all those immigrants from former French colonies in N Africa to work as cheap labor, and more importantly, to vote Socialist. 
  Now France is overwhelmed, with a stagnating economy, high unemployment, and a huge welfare state that Sarko has been trying to downsize for five years. 


17 posted on 04/23/2012 12:50:48 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna
Now France is overwhelmed, with a stagnating economy, high unemployment, and a huge welfare state that Sarko has been trying to downsize for five years.

I can't imagine what kind of "solution" the communists have for France's economic disaster... Is the French population simply deluded?

18 posted on 04/23/2012 1:01:45 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Regulator

Those who voted for Le Pen will not vote for a Socialist—they will vote for Sarko—its still up in the air.


19 posted on 04/23/2012 1:33:03 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Cincinna
"France: One in five vote for Marine Le Pen as Nicolas Sarkozy is beaten into second place"

EU market tanks on the news!

yitbos

20 posted on 04/23/2012 1:48:08 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: jocon307

The world media hides the genocide of White South Africans that is going on now. We have to spread the word about this as this is the future of America that Obama wants. Mandela one of the socialists dieties is helping this genocide of whites.So What is the difference between obama and mandela or Mugabe or Chavez etc? None.

68798 White Afrikaners Murdered

http://www.wix.com/ajkraad/genocide-museum

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2872912/posts?page=20

There is a very real and deliberate Genocide happening right now in South Africa. Everyday white South African’s in the Cities and in Rural area’s are being assaulted, tortured, raped, robbed, discriminated against and even murdered.


21 posted on 04/23/2012 1:54:52 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 3 years. China makes everything taking U.S. ability to manufacture)
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To: eater-of-toast
Vincent Auriol was also a socialist President (1947-54); although not of the same socialist party as Mitterand.
22 posted on 04/23/2012 2:16:24 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Army Air Corps

should be 1st socializt leader in the past 17 years.


23 posted on 04/23/2012 3:00:45 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: chopperman; GQuagmire; Lazamataz

24 posted on 04/23/2012 4:25:29 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: bruinbirdman

It appears that The Telegraph is blocking any reference to this subject or blocking FR from link. Not sure which, but get this message from your link and from any reference to the subject from their website.

Sorry

We cannot find the page you are looking for.


25 posted on 04/23/2012 4:32:10 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: BillyBoy

You’ve hurt me with your words!


26 posted on 04/23/2012 4:41:43 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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To: bruinbirdman

Evidently something is filtering this topic on the web. I find the same 404 response from other news sources.

What is going on?


27 posted on 04/23/2012 4:51:02 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Cincinna

I’m starting to see the big picture. The 1.45% probably means very little but apparently the votes given to Mélenchon in the first round are sure to go to Hollande in the second. The Le Pen votes are threatening to stay home from what I’ve read. Bayrou - I don’t know where that fits into the equation. But the dire predictions for Sarkozy are more based on who gets the Le Pen, Mélenchon, and Bayrou votes more than they are based on the 1.45% difference, je crois.


28 posted on 04/23/2012 5:45:07 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: bruinbirdman

The EU is tanking because of Hollande, not Le Pen.


29 posted on 04/23/2012 6:09:48 AM PDT by kabar
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To: bruinbirdman
Here's The Real Reason Marine Le-Pen Should Scare The Crap Out Of Europe
30 posted on 04/23/2012 6:16:05 AM PDT by blam
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To: BillyBoy
Looks like President Glenn Quadmire (shown here campaigning for votes at a sleazy French strip joint) is getting his butt kicked by a neo-NAZI who puts a smiley face on fascism and holocaust denial,

Neo-Nazi? That has always been the Leftist refrain when those on the Right win votes. It is like playing the race card here. Le Pen is a nationalist who is more in touch with the French people than Sarkozy and Hollande. I wish we had similar political leadership and courage here.

As part of the process dubbed “un-demonizing,” the 43-year-old mother of three promotes women and workers and even comes down on the side of animal rights. Above all, she vociferously condemns anti-Semitism, which got her father court convictions.

Yet, the basics have not changed. Marine Le Pen, putting the accent on patriotism, deplores what she says is France’s loss of sovereignty to the European Union and to globalization, the nation’s perceived loss of identity and what she claims are real dangers hidden within France’s Muslim community, which at 5 million is the largest in western Europe.

Le Pen wants France, and other euro zone nations, to give up the euro currency. She wants to drastically reduce the number of immigrants — to 10,000 a year — and, a top theme, to crack down for good on what she claims is the growing footprint of Islamic fundamentalists in France.

“They are advancing in the neighborhoods. They are putting pressure on the population. They are recruiting young boys” to train for jihad, she said.

31 posted on 04/23/2012 6:17:07 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cincinna

Cincinna, could you please give us your analysis of the election results and how the second round might turn out?


32 posted on 04/23/2012 6:51:06 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Those who voted for Le Pen will not vote for a Socialist—they will vote for Sarko—its still up in the air.

Well, if the train of thought of those who voted for Le Pen is similar to many Freepers, they'll stay home and let the socialist win.

33 posted on 04/23/2012 7:19:22 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: jocon307

I, too, am a racist.


34 posted on 04/23/2012 7:22:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Sarko vote plus the LePen vote still clock in at under 50%.

Looks like the Commies get this one.


35 posted on 04/23/2012 7:28:13 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("If I had a son he'd look like B.O.'s lunch" - Rin Tin Tin)
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To: bruinbirdman

The U.S. continues to move leftwards, while much of the rest of the world moves rightwards.


36 posted on 04/23/2012 8:53:30 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: kabar

It is probably apt to call her a fascist. Fascism is not inherently anti-semetic, and a lot of her economic positions that I’ve heard of sound like she’s for Italian corporatism 2.0.

She isn’t opposed to the idea that the government heavily intervenes in the market, just how it is being currently used. So she thinks that price setting, wage controls, import controls, banning or restricting foreign ownership of companies, ect, are all well and good. She’s against the privatization of government industries, increasing the age of retirement above 60 years, and so on. Just because someone is opposed to socialists or Muslim immigration hardly makes them conservative in the American sense.


37 posted on 04/23/2012 9:40:27 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JRios1968

I wish I could do that as well as he does it. I feel like doing that, but I can’t work up that much facial jiggling.


38 posted on 04/23/2012 9:45:29 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource
I wish I could do that as well as he does it. I feel like doing that, but I can’t work up that much facial jiggling.

You gotta work at it, you old sailor.

39 posted on 04/23/2012 9:54:23 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: bruinbirdman

As I said earlier, Sarkozy has been kind of a disappointment, only moderately conservative in his actual governing, and doing little or nothing about the Muslim immigrant threat.

Hard to say from those numbers who will win. Sarkozy has Le Pen to the right of him, and Hollande the Socialist has an “extreme leftist” to the left of him. The voters will have to choose between Sarkozy and Hollande.

Even more important than the economy—but related to it—France has to stop letting Muslims flood into their country from their former colonies. Le Pin is the only one who might actually do something about that, but the majority of French voters still refuse to face facts. The left has labeled her father and her Nazis not because of their economic views, but because they say that France should be for the French, and they don’t need all those Muslim Arabs sitting in public housing, eating on public welfare, blocking the streets during prayer time, and burning cars in their spare time.

Sarkozy told Chirac that he ought to do something about that problem, but he hasn’t done much himself, beyond a few token gestures.


40 posted on 04/23/2012 11:20:09 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: blam

Marine Le Pen is demagogic populist. She has touched a nerve about out if control immigration and surrender of national sovereignty, but her economic and foreign policy agenda is naive, and irrational. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

She is the flip side of the leftist totalitarian coin. Both are Statists, believe in the power if the state over the individual, and spew that same class warfare rhetoric that come from Obama and OWS. The end result of the left and MLP’s agenda which amounts to nothing less than National Socialism,aka Nazism, is the same - tyranny of Tge Stare over the individual.


41 posted on 04/23/2012 12:40:28 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna
The “huge” “unprecedented” victory of Hollande over Sarko touted in the leftist MSM press in France, Europe and the US is a whopping 1.45%

And in a runoff between Sarko and Hollande, enough of Le Pen's voters will decline to just stay home to put Sarko over the top.

Sarko will then be on notice that he better get a handle on North African immigration, or his days are numbered. The native french understand that there is no way to have both welfare for immigrants and also pay the pensions of the native French.

42 posted on 04/23/2012 12:55:11 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: kabar; Impy; fieldmarshaldj
>> Neo-Nazi? That has always been the Leftist refrain when those on the Right win votes. It is like playing the race card here. <<

On the contrary, Le Pen's Party has always had NAZI sympathizes and you're playing right into the media's hands by buying the idea that she is "conservative". The European media classifies ANYONE who wants to get immigration under control as "far-right", regardless of their position on other issues. Hence, a neo-NAZI loon who favors draconian gun control laws, environmental regulations, free abortions, universal health care, calls for the destruction of Israel, wants to ban freedom of religion, favors free college education for all, etc., etc., will labeled "far right-wing" by the media, even though they have little in common with hard-core American conservatives aside from their stance on immigration. As post #37 notes, Le Pen is every bit as much as a statist as Obama and opposes limited government and freedom for individuals.

>> Le Pen is a nationalist who is more in touch with the French people than Sarkozy and Hollande. I wish we had similar political leadership and courage here. <<

I don't doubt she's the only "major" candidate who "gets" the severity of the Muslim immigration problem. That just shows you how screwed from France is, when the only candidate with a remotely sane policy on immigration is a fascist nut. Anyone who is remotely conservative by American standards will poll less than 2% and not be viable. I would consider Le Pen "more conservative" than Sarko, but by the same standards, I would rank Hillary Clinton as "more conservative" than Sarko.

>> As part of the process dubbed “un-demonizing,” the 43-year-old mother of three promotes women and workers and even comes down on the side of animal rights. Above all, she vociferously condemns anti-Semitism, which got her father court convictions. <<

As I noted, she's distanced herself from her daddy's crazy outbursts and put a "happy face" on fascism, that doesn't change the fact that most of her party is filled with neo-NAZI nuts and its always been that way. Did you know Le Pen was friends with Saddam Hussein during the Iraq War? That just shows you how crazy these people are. Even Jac Chirac wouldn't attempt that in public.

43 posted on 04/23/2012 2:17:19 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Cicero; Impy; fieldmarshaldj
>> Sarkozy has been kind of a disappointment, only moderately conservative in his actual governing <<

I think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah have been kind of a disappointment, they put forward moderately pro-Jewish policies in Iran...

44 posted on 04/23/2012 2:23:07 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: JerseyanExile
I have never said that she is a conservative in the American sense. I have indicated just the opposite. David Cameron is not a conservative in the American sense. Neither is Merkel or any of the candiates of the major European parties.

But unlike many others, including Sarkozy and Hollande, she is a nationalist who doesn't share the unvarnished support of the EU and integration of Europe. Who can blame her? The EU was really driven by the French, but German economic power is now driving the train. She wants control over the currency and national trade policies. She also wants to limit immigration, which is destroying the country in much the same way that it is doing in the US. At least, she understands that France is in a battle for its national survival.

45 posted on 04/23/2012 4:53:36 PM PDT by kabar
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To: BillyBoy
On the contrary, Le Pen's Party has always had NAZI sympathizes and you're playing right into the media's hands by buying the idea that she is "conservative".

Who claimed she is a conservative. The NF does not embrace Nazism. Nazi sympathizers? I guess you could say the same thing about many political parties, but unless those positions are espoused as the official positions of the parties, it is just a smear attempt. The Left likes to accuse the GOP of being the party of white racists and bigots, especially when it pertains to issues like immigation and wealth distribution.

...even though they have little in common with hard-core American conservatives aside from their stance on immigration.

There are "hard-core American conservatives" who believe in protectionist policies when it comes to trade; who believe that Islam represents a serious threat to our national security; who support the law and order policies of "zero tolerance", harsher sentencing, increased prison capacity, as well as retaining the death penalty, who are ardent nationalists as distinct from being globalists; and who believe in national sovereignty and secure borders.

I don't doubt she's the only "major" candidate who "gets" the severity of the Muslim immigration problem. That just shows you how screwed from France is, when the only candidate with a remotely sane policy on immigration is a fascist nut.

Name the other major candidate who understands the severity of the Muslim immigration problem. And there you go again with the ad hominem attacks that have no basis in fact. Do you really believe she is insane and that she is a fascist?

Did you know Le Pen was friends with Saddam Hussein during the Iraq War? That just shows you how crazy these people are. Even Jac Chirac wouldn't attempt that in public.

Did you know that the US provided intelligence to Iraq and Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war? And what exactly do you mean by "friends?" And which Le Pen are you talking about, her or her father who defended Saddam Hussein during the Gulf war?

46 posted on 04/23/2012 5:17:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

True, though articles of this limited scope usually only deal with the politics of France’s Fifth Republic, which began in 1958 (when the Fourth Republic’s system of government collapsed amidst the Algerian Crisis).


47 posted on 04/23/2012 8:56:24 PM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Parmenio; afraidfortherepublic; mojo114; seenenuf; LucyT; Think free or die; DollyCali; ...

***UPDATE***
*** FRENCH POLITICS AND CULTURE PING LIST ***  

  The first polls are out for the 2nd round Hollande leading 55-45. There is a lot of work to be done to overcome this 10 point gap.
  But the polls were totally wrong about round1.   
  The debate or hopefully the debates will likely give Sarko a boost. Hollande will have to have at least one debate with Sarkozy. Sarko has challenged him to three, but he is trying to hide and is afraid to debate. 
  Hollande, and the people who speak for him have so far refused to answer questions about campaign promises he made to various groups. He got away with it during the 1er tour. Will he will not be able avoid a direct answer to the following in a debate:
  His positions on
• giving immigrants (non citizens the right to vote) and the regularization of
illegals. 
• allowing municipal facilities like swimming pools and tennis courts to conform to sharia law, separating females from males, having separate hours, etc. (already done in cities controlled by the PS)
• Will Hollande uphold his promises to the Ecologists/greens to eliminate all nuclear power in France, in the next ten years, starting immediately. Considering that France gets 80+% of its energy from
nuclear and is now an exporter of energy, thus proposal is ridiculous.

 Thank you all for your interest and your very interesting and insightful posts. 
  I will try and answer as many questions of your questiond as I can.


48 posted on 04/23/2012 9:38:25 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna

I suspect that a lot of Le Pen’s votes were Sarkozy voters who want to send a message to him-that any possible coddling of Muslims will cost him votes. Hopefully, they will show up to vote on May 6.


49 posted on 04/23/2012 10:02:59 PM PDT by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: Cincinna

Thanks for clarifying. Surely Hollande’s pro-immigrant stance is not so popular these days, as reality is coming clear?


50 posted on 04/24/2012 6:50:30 AM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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