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Mary Matalin on Rush today - and is she off base? (Stunned)
4-23-2012 | Self

Posted on 04/23/2012 9:30:05 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright

FREEPER COMMENTS REQUESTED: Is it just me, or is Mary Matalin way off base today with her entire theme for the show (guest hosting for Rush). Now I normally like her work tremendously, but her idea that we should search for "virtue" in government and for "virtuous people" to be in government seems extremely naive.

The only virtue in government is its limit. We will never get a government full of virtuous people. By definition, government is power and virtuous people are not drawn to that. Our Founders knew that. This is why they insisted on LIMITED government. Wake up Mary!


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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

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151 posted on 04/23/2012 10:52:37 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I am sure she was looking for Virtue when sahe married the snakehead.


152 posted on 04/23/2012 10:52:57 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Mary Matalin is not a conservative. that’s just the role she decided to play. She considers herself part of the Power Elite, and will go with the script she’s handed. Same with Carville. Same with Ann Coulter.


153 posted on 04/23/2012 10:53:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

She divorced Jim a long time ago.Jim can be irritating, but he seems to have a good idea about what is going on, and I like his reasoning.


154 posted on 04/23/2012 10:55:53 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 (I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds my future.,)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

She divorced Jim a long time ago.Jim can be irritating, but he seems to have a good idea about what is going on, and I like his reasoning.


155 posted on 04/23/2012 10:56:24 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 (I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds my future.,)
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To: Venturer

Well she’s called Snakehead “very virtuous” today and called Ed Gillespie a “model” of the virtuous “public servant” and she even made a point to mention that her Monsignor called Snakehead virtuous.

With Monsignors like that, who needs atheists?

Which leads me to the point those self righteous folks who have jumped in here without listening to her drivel today are missing - that virtue is a subjective issue and therefore not as important as the definitely objective issue of limits.

Who is to determine who these virtuous guardian angels are to be as Milton Friedman once asked? The point is, limit their power and then it doesn’t matter nearly so much how virtuous they are.


156 posted on 04/23/2012 10:56:24 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: stephenjohnbanker

L & O Criminal Intent.


157 posted on 04/23/2012 10:58:03 AM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: loveliberty2

And. . .

“If Virtue & Knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslav’d. This will be their great Security.”
Samuel Adams

“It is an object of vast magnitude that systems of education should be adopted and pursued which may not only diffuse a knowledge of the sciences but may implant in the minds of the American youth the principles of virtue and of liberty and inspire them with just and liberal ideas of government and with an inviolable attachment to their own country.”
Noah Webster

“It is certainly true that a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people.”
Richard Henry Lee

“Nothing is more essential to the establishment of manners in a State than that all persons employed in places of power and trust must be men of unexceptionable characters.”
Samuel Adams

“Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens. They fall, when the wise are banished from the public councils, because they dare to be honest, and the profligate are rewarded, because they flatter the people, in order to betray them.”
Joseph Story

“If there is a form of government, then, whose principle and foundation is virtue, will not every sober man acknowledge it better calculated to promote the general happiness than any other form?”
John Adams

I’m not listening to the show, but our country won’t work either politically, administratively, legislatively, judicially or financially without the people, leaders and regular citizens alike, understanding and PRACTICING virtue — doing what’s right.


158 posted on 04/23/2012 10:58:03 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: loveliberty2
Your post said what I was going to say: the people will vote for virtuous politicians when they themselves are virtuous.

Until that happens, nothing will get better. The idea that we can just choose more virtuous people than we to run things is like the socialists' idea that with the right smart people in charge, they can finally get it to work, this time.

159 posted on 04/23/2012 10:58:43 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Lazlo in PA

Poor Mary, she needs to stick to her day job. As for the Marks brothers, I can tolerate Steyn and Bellings in doses but I loathe Davis, his appearances are always the epitome of a Republican Party butt kissing festival, please somebody at the RNC hire this clown and keep him off the air for the love of humanity, he’s your kind of Party Boy!

Rush you can do way better than inflicting the RINOisms of Mary, Rove, and Davis on your audience. Frankly I prefer Walter Williams if Rush is to be gone or turn it off after a few minutes.


160 posted on 04/23/2012 11:00:38 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: Suz in AZ
She is right in the fact that in order for our system to work it requires a level of what is called “public virtue”.

Absolutely wrong. What you read is produced by the government class, aka parasites.

Please go back and read the writings of our Founders. What they wanted most was a very weak Federal government. They knew that less government is more Liberty, more government is less Liberty

It is truly that simple. Our Founders knew that the most vile, the most theiving, the most sadistic and controlling among us would be attracted to government. Our Founders had no illusion about the type of people that want to "serve."

ALL our problems will remain as long as the Federal government is maintained at it's monstrous size. No amount of "ethic rules" and regulations will change anything. The government parasite class must be have their pretend jobs terminated so they can for once in their life do real work.

161 posted on 04/23/2012 11:01:00 AM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: Artcore
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like rush has been taking more and more time off from the show. This coupled with his pathetic choices for fill-ins has me scratching my head and saying: “WTF?”

It's not just you. I don't think there's any doubt that Rush has lost the passion for what he does. Per my observations (and I've been listening to him for well over a decade), he's simply 'phoning it in' nowadays. He gets most of his material straight off Drudge, and ignores or pays lip service to the most structurally important stories of the day.

Like most conservative talkers, he's completely missed the fact that the center-right in this country is now in a state of quiet rebellion, and that they're like a dry prairie, just primed for the right spark to ignite.

No, they're still stuck in the 'business as usual' mode of partisan politics. They don't seem to have noticed that we're nearly on the verge of another revolution in this country. Even as the pillars that support our once mighty republic are crumbling all around them, they sit in their electronic ivory towers pontificating about everything but what truly matters.

162 posted on 04/23/2012 11:03:06 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

It’s a James Q Wilson thing - and it’s got merit. Right now the folks who run for office tend toward the narcissistic. We need people of more substance and virtue. The system we have propels a certain type forward - and it’s not the type we’re happy with. Incentives need to be changed so we get more Thomas Jefferson’s and fewer Jimmah Carters...

She has a point.


163 posted on 04/23/2012 11:04:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: sickoflibs

Williams was fun!


164 posted on 04/23/2012 11:05:26 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Only virtuous people will willingly give up power (e.g. George Washington), so in order for government to give up the power needed to become “limited government”, we need virtuous people who will make those decisions.

Limited power in government can only come from virtuous persons deciding to reduce the power of the positions that they are in.

Limited government will never occur without virtuous people in power.


165 posted on 04/23/2012 11:05:41 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: dforest; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”It would be hard to have a show such as his and try to please everyone because they want him to choose their own choice as a candidate. You see all the slop flinging around here over that issue, so that pretty well explains it.

Well MY candidate is just like Reagan and yours is just a RINO so he/she needs to GET OUT so we can pull together and beat Romney ........ , What ?? You say mine is a RINO and yours is Reagan? Them is fightin words...Yo ma-ma.

LOL

166 posted on 04/23/2012 11:08:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: Windflier
I think that says something about his private political views

I'm afraid it might say more about Clear Channel's and Premiere's (Rush's syndicator) political views. Early on in the primaries, Rush said a couple of times that he thought Mitt was definitely the one Obama was counting on running against, that the whole OWS 1.0 was just a warm-up for running against Mitt. But Rush hasn't gone with that insight in months; in fact, he's seemed to largely avoid talking about the upcoming election.

167 posted on 04/23/2012 11:10:42 AM PDT by maryz
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Man Accidentally Shoots Girlfriend in Legs While Hunting (Thought She Was a Hog)

168 posted on 04/23/2012 11:11:21 AM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Thanks for your invitation to participate in the discussion in the first post. That accounts for my submission.

As for Post 139, I note this: "Matalin’s droning on about how voters should try and search out only virtuous people to vote for is incredibly naive, it is incredibly boring and cumbersome and very preachy and almost elitist. What we need to do first is to limit government which does not require us being able to divine who is and who is not virtuous and who will and who will not stay virtuous."

Could we agree that the Founders quoted throughout this thread must have believed that the kind of "virtue" they described is a prerequisite for even the limiting of the government? Could we not submit the current President's "We Can't Wait" strategy described in another thread today as evidence of their wisdom and foresight?

When we elect officials who are determined to ignore "the People's" limits, as specified in their Constitution, then liberty is threatened. America's Founders knew that "parchment barriers" (written constitutional limits) would be insufficient, if the elected officials did not possess "virtue" and honor for those written limitations.

You have performed a valuable service by raising this as a discussion point. All of us here are going after the same prize, I believe--restoring America's greatness, and without virtuous leaders who respect our Constitution's limits on their power, we may not be able to achieve our purpose.

169 posted on 04/23/2012 11:11:21 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Mountain Mary

They are consultants. regardless of which party is in power, they make money.

mixed marriages are always suspect.


170 posted on 04/23/2012 11:12:13 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: sickoflibs

By george, you got it!


171 posted on 04/23/2012 11:16:06 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ClearCase_guy

You make a clear case, guy. Megadittoes!


172 posted on 04/23/2012 11:17:59 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Houghton M.

Then No wonder you hated Santorum’s guts....

No, I hated santorums guts because he is a big government socialist lite type, in the casting of the bushes.....

I did not even pay attention to what he said, or the type of sweater he was wearing, I paid attention to his RECORD, damnit, RECORD..... let me repeat that for those of you with the rose colored glasses on, or those easily fooled... RECORD.... santorums record makes him a big government socialist lite... mcromenys record makes him a socialist at best, communist lite at worst... Gingriches record makes him the only conservative left....

Big government, socialist lite, socialist, communitst lite or communist.... THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!!! They are enemies of the republic, and casting a vote for anyone that falls into the above catagories, for whatever reason you wish to fool yourself into believing, makes you not only part of the problem, BUT A TRAITOR TO THE COUNTRY AND ALL THAT IT STANDS FOR!!!!

Your ballot says not only who you are but what you are... what are you???


173 posted on 04/23/2012 11:19:02 AM PDT by joe fonebone (If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.)
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To: juan_galt

The establishment rinos are infultraited with homosexuals and big government cronies.

Just look how they fall for the meme of women hate republicans and are pushing for a dead end woman vp pick.


174 posted on 04/23/2012 11:19:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: juan_galt

The establishment rinos are infultraited with homosexuals and big government cronies.

Just look how they fall for the meme of women hate republicans and are pushing for a dead end woman vp pick.


175 posted on 04/23/2012 11:19:29 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I know Rushbo needs time off but why can’t he do it when we’re asleep. I hate it when he’s absent.


176 posted on 04/23/2012 11:24:33 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: ottbmare

It is a good move on the part of Rinos. They are addressing corruption in government in a positive way.

Unfortunately it is in support of the “virtuous” Mittens who wants to reorganize family and marriage around the gay sex lifestyle. There is nothing virtuous about the gay sex scene nor putting children in the middle of it.


177 posted on 04/23/2012 11:24:40 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: sickoflibs

Sickoflibs 2012 !!


178 posted on 04/23/2012 11:25:32 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I know Rushbo needs time off but why can’t he do it when we’re asleep. I hate it when he’s absent.


179 posted on 04/23/2012 11:25:35 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Mary (and I fear Rush might be), are going all in on this impostor Obamney.

I turned Rush off today after listing to the Obamney love fest at the start of the show. This Obamney rump-swabbery has to stop on Rush's show.

Sickening.

180 posted on 04/23/2012 11:25:35 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

If memory serves, she and James were among a handful of guests at Rush’s wedding to Marta when Clarence Thomas officiated. I have never understood that, but apparently, they are very close friends!


181 posted on 04/23/2012 11:28:11 AM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Our Founders knew that. This is why they insisted on LIMITED government

So we look up to our founders because they were NOT virtuous?

Washington wasn't a paragon on character?

Get a grip. Virtue is not a dirty word. If you don't want virtue, then you elect a pack of thugs from Chicago which is exactly who we have leading Gov't right now and which is why we are failing.

182 posted on 04/23/2012 11:28:20 AM PDT by what's up
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To: juan_galt; onyx

” 1) Is Rush trying to kill off his audience to be more “fair” to other talk show hosts?”

Rush 20 million listeners

Mary 200,000 (on mute)


183 posted on 04/23/2012 11:28:34 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: chris37

Why don’t you go back and check my posting history to see? Nice to see my little stalker today!

BTW, I see you finally changed your mind about Glenn. ;)


184 posted on 04/23/2012 11:30:34 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

ROTFL.

I hope comeone sends her this thread.


185 posted on 04/23/2012 11:33:05 AM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; C. Edmund Wright; Jacquerie; Publius; All
Upon reflection, this discussion is an extremely important one for all conservatives to have today. Does not the "limited government" our Constitution was intended to secure rely on the very idea of "virtue," as articulated by the Founders?

We must not naively trust "parchment barriers" (Madison) as our limits on those we elect. That is why we check their records, their associations, their lives, as indicators of the likelihood that they will exhibit fidelity to the Constitution's limitations. In other words, we want to know that they will be "virtuous" protectors of "the People's" Constitution.

186 posted on 04/23/2012 11:33:29 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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Make that someone.


187 posted on 04/23/2012 11:34:51 AM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I like Mary Matalin, but no one wants to hear people talk about virtue in government. For more than three minutes, anyway. And her first guest was Ed Gillespie??? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


188 posted on 04/23/2012 11:37:34 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

Ol’ Serpenthead is on now. lol

Those who aren’t listening have missed a pretty good show.


189 posted on 04/23/2012 11:39:28 AM PDT by upsdriver (Newt..... stop Romney, get to a brokered convention and start a DRAFT PALIN movement!)
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To: Suz in AZ

Yes, we need both—government as limited and constrained as possible, and a free and responsible people honorable enough not to exploit what government we have.


190 posted on 04/23/2012 11:39:57 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: dforest; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”By george, you got it!

I been watching the show as an observer as you were.

I did defend Bachmann and Cain on specific attacks but after they dropped out I was a spectator enjoying the show.

191 posted on 04/23/2012 11:40:22 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Oh my gawd. I’m listening to the EIB network as call-in guest James Carville expounds on the future prospects of the New Orleans Saints. Rush, have you lost your mind?


192 posted on 04/23/2012 11:42:21 AM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
I hate Mark Davis. He soft sells RINOism at every turn and sound like he should be doing a morning show on an Adult Contemporary music station. His delivery is not suited to talk radio in the least. After listening to Matlin today, I hate her more than Davis, which I thought was impossible.

After 18 years on WBAP (Dallas)Mark Davis is now history. No contract renewal for Mark. He will not be missed.

193 posted on 04/23/2012 11:43:10 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; dforest
RE :”Sickoflibs 2012 !!

I know a certain psycho Bush-bot who says that Obama is destroying this country and must be stopped who would still vote FOR him if I was the nominee LOL

194 posted on 04/23/2012 11:43:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: upsdriver

me too. the serpent bride is a hoot.


195 posted on 04/23/2012 11:45:00 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: lonevoice

That was a good call. There wasn’t much to criticize about it. They were promoting New Orleans and strong marriage/parenting, which was keeping in her theme of virtue. What’s not to like?


196 posted on 04/23/2012 11:45:47 AM PDT by upsdriver (Newt..... stop Romney, get to a brokered convention and start a DRAFT PALIN movement!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Mark Styne should have a program of his own.

Very smart and sometimes hilarious!

197 posted on 04/23/2012 11:46:28 AM PDT by hummingbird (Just askin' or just sayin' depending on the subject. Oh yeah...OBAMA SUCKS!)
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To: MSSC6644
Thank you for a factual and Founders-based concept for the necessity of "virtue" in those we elect to make our laws, execute our laws and appoint the "interpreters" of our Constitution. The kind of virtue known by the Founders to be essential to liberty was the kind which would motivate a man or woman to respect and abide by the strict limits on his/her power laid out in the Constitution.
198 posted on 04/23/2012 11:48:25 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: CatherineofAragon

Just pointing out a pattern I’ve noticed, and no, I haven’t, I’m listening to Glenn right now since Mary Matalin is so utterly boring.

Yes, I do think Zimmerman should sue Glenn.


199 posted on 04/23/2012 11:49:27 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: juan_galt

“RINO’s play politics like it’s a badminton match.”

Ha ha—funny, sad and infuriating all at once.


200 posted on 04/23/2012 11:49:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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