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Trayvon Martin / Zimmermann case gets weaker every day. New Negative Revelations.
Source? Friends and Fiends.

Posted on 04/23/2012 2:25:39 PM PDT by MindBender26

I have just learned from a friend in Seminole County law enforcement, who is very close to Zimmermann case, that the case against Mr. Zimmerman is even weaker than originally thought.

It seems that the police officer/technician who collected the evidence at the scene and signed the evidence report was not in any way qualified to do so.

He was much more of a breathalyzer technician and someone who would do field drug testing and initial toxicology reports at the scenes of suspected crimes. It is believed that the shooting was his first ever full crime scene investigation and he had not been trained to the standard levels of competency. The Sanford PD did not think the case against Zimmerman had nearly enough merit to bother doing a thorough investigation.

In addition, when the drug screens come back from Martin, they will show a host of recreational drugs. All of this is further circumstantial evidence of potential irrational activity on the part of Mr. Martin, and remember, the State has already admitted that they have no evidence as to who started the fight.

There's more: There is another very interesting point of law coming to the forefront. It may easily be held that regardless of who started the fight, when Martin slammed Zimmerman's head onto the concrete with the force that he did, that act became Assault With A Deadly Weapon, (the concrete,) and at that point Zimmerman had the right to defend himself, with deadly force if necessary, regardless of what had happened up to that point.

We shall see.


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KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; vanity; zimmerman
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To: Cvengr

I think Trayvon had only been there a few days, and the burglaries had been over a longer period. He could be responsible in theory for some but not for all. Of course he may not have committed any of them (I don’t know the date of the last burglary)...but if Trayvon’s father finds some unexplained loot in his home that looks like it might have come from someone else’s home, don’t expect him to run to the police and say “this could be stolen property.”


51 posted on 04/23/2012 3:08:34 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: CaptainPhilFan
"I’ve been wondering if anyone in Florida has considered the possibility that Martin WAS the culprit in the robbings of Zimmerman’s neighbors."

Since Sanford is just north of Orlando, and the kid lived in or near Miami, it is doubtful that he was the one doing the robbing.

52 posted on 04/23/2012 3:08:34 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: MindBender26
It seems that the police officer/technician who collected the evidence at the scene and signed the evidence report was not in any way qualified to do so.

What's that you say, Mr. Cochrane? "If he don't know $..t, you must acquit"?

53 posted on 04/23/2012 3:08:55 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: chris37

But Trayvon SHOULD NOT HAVE WALKED HOME FROM 7-11, because walking home is walking home!

If you see someone walking home, you have the right to...


54 posted on 04/23/2012 3:10:31 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Heh, thank you kindly. I think I went temporarily slightly more insane than usual :S


55 posted on 04/23/2012 3:11:43 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: lacrew

A little less than a mile is very easy for a fit 17 year old football player to do in well under 20 minutes without even running. Just check with some of your adult friends who hike a lot. That means St. Trayvon was up to rather bit more than just coming home.


56 posted on 04/23/2012 3:11:58 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: MindBender26

Well, let’s see.

Your friend is going to get fired not just for being incompetent but stoopit.

He shouldn’t be sharing evidence, chain of custody or anything else with anyone not officially attached to this case.

The Tox screens are going to show recreational drugs? I don’t doubt it but, is there some report that makes that assessment and suspicion?


57 posted on 04/23/2012 3:12:10 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yep, the left’s thinking is all screwed up. Basically, they are purely anti-American and anti-fundamental moral principle and anti-republican principle (meaning the “reoublic” and not the political party).

Fact is, Zimmerman following Martin was no more illegal than Martin walking in the subdivision.

Until someone committed a crime, they were both watching each other and wary of each other, but had no need to attack one another.

All evidence, IMHO, at this point points to Martin initiating violence and criminal activity.

From the physical evidence, to extrapolating the eye witeness accounts, to the background and habits of the two individuals. One read of Martin’s tweeter postings makes it clear, while Zimmerman was tudoring minority kids each week for free.

It will be an aquittal, followed by some level of civil disturbances...and depending on that, followed by a Holder initiated retrial on civil-rights charges...which if it is an impartial jury, should also fail flat out.


58 posted on 04/23/2012 3:13:37 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: CaptainPhilFan

No, but I bet the local crime rate has dropped.

Any punk who sucker-punches someone who asks them a question and then proceeds to try to smash their brains out while they lay stunned needed to be taken out. Zimm has done the community a favor saving who-knows-how-many future victims of the punk.


59 posted on 04/23/2012 3:14:11 PM PDT by Zman516
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To: MindBender26

I thought we were at the sentencing phase since the Establishmedia already had the trial. It was only a matter of which method of death penalty?

He should sue NBC into the ground.

Pray for America


60 posted on 04/23/2012 3:16:23 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: Charles Martel; Moonman62
It's been my impression that from the start of all the hoopla over this, the FIRST people to bring up the SYG law was the media. They questioned whether this event would impact the validity of that law. After that, all the idiot talking heads and those two perpetually outraged bimbos carried the ball re SYG.
61 posted on 04/23/2012 3:18:20 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: GilesB

My understanding is that SYG removes the requirement to retreat if it safely possible before self-defense with deadly force is allowed. Since there presumably no safe retreat available at the time Zimmerman used deadly force (since he was pinned to the ground) then self-defense was allowed with or without SYG.


62 posted on 04/23/2012 3:18:50 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: libstripper

I can quickly walk a mile in about 12 minutes.

Use to walk to my office years ago and it was exactly one mile from my home.


63 posted on 04/23/2012 3:19:22 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: lacrew; McGruff
I am very curious. This young upstanding lad had previously been found to be in possession of women’s jewelry, and a screwdriver. And this community had 8 burgularies in the prior 14 months.

The McGruff in me would try to find that jewelry (presumably confiscated by his school), and tie it to any of the burglaries.


Please spare us such visuals. lol
64 posted on 04/23/2012 3:19:46 PM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne- "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: MindBender26

My long-shot prediction is that some of the jewelry found in Trayvon’s locker will be matched to jewelry reported stolen in the development. I have just had a feeling all along that Trayvon had hunted there before.


65 posted on 04/23/2012 3:20:19 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Jeff Head

Well stated Jeff.

IF Attorney General Panther Holder SHOULD pursue a federal civil rights case against Zimmerman, we can HOPE that such a case would be dropped after 20 January 2013.

Hope all is good with you and yours!


66 posted on 04/23/2012 3:22:39 PM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne- "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: GilesB

O’Mara, Zimmerman’s attorney, is reputedly one of the best criminal defense lawyers in Florida.


67 posted on 04/23/2012 3:25:15 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Gil4

Exactly...bingo! This is a case of pure self defense against deadly force by a perpetrator. The local PD figured that out over-night.

the State AG is looking to make a name and it is political IMHO, and she is going to lose.

Holder will also make it political if he thinks he can...and to further agitate the minorities and his people like Jackson, Sharpton, and the New Black Panthers. But that case will fail too if they seat an impartial jury.


68 posted on 04/23/2012 3:27:08 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Except this was not the only time he had come up to Sanford. Without a doubt, he could have committed burglaries in Sanford in the past.


69 posted on 04/23/2012 3:37:20 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
"Since Sanford is just north of Orlando, and the kid lived in or near Miami, it is doubtful that he was the one doing the robbing."

Check the dates he visited his father and see if they match up with any of the robbery dates.

70 posted on 04/23/2012 3:38:35 PM PDT by Liberty Wins (Newt --named after Isaac Newton?)
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To: Jeff Head

Martin was aware that Zimmerman was watching him—on the tape of the conversation with the dispatcher Zimmerman mentions that the person is staring at him. If Martin felt threatened he could easily have gone to his father’s place. That instead he chose to confront Zimmerman suggests either heightened machismo where he was enraged at the idea that Zimmerman was spying on what he was up to, or that he was on drugs and behaving irrationally.


71 posted on 04/23/2012 3:40:40 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yep...alll potential reasons for his behavior.

As someone stated on this thread, I wonder what a check of dates when Martin visited his father in the sub-division would show in relation to the burglaries occurring in that neighborhood.

Not saying it would show anything, but it should be looked at. I bet the defense lawyer does.


72 posted on 04/23/2012 3:49:26 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Doe Eyes

Au contraire mon frere, if Travyon was walking home, he would have arrived home.

Instead he arrived in Hell.

Whoopsie.


73 posted on 04/23/2012 3:49:43 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I would love to see the case tossed and then the judge issue a rule to show cause on whoever brought this case.


74 posted on 04/23/2012 3:52:11 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mamelukesabre

Wo cares what they call it. Let them riot. This will assure Obama will win no more than 30% of the vote.


75 posted on 04/23/2012 3:53:58 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: MindBender26
Trayvon was not exhaling much when they “examined” him.

Sorry! Forgot my /sarc tag...

Did Trayvon pass?

The best answer to the question would be:

Yes.

76 posted on 04/23/2012 3:54:47 PM PDT by moovova
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To: MindBender26

Shouldn’t we known his autopsy results be known now? Hasn’t it been two months?


77 posted on 04/23/2012 3:59:42 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: lacrew
Must have been because he was black.

WRONG! He didn't know his race.

78 posted on 04/23/2012 4:01:38 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Vendome

Drugs cost money, did this young lad have a job?


79 posted on 04/23/2012 4:02:11 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: presently no screen name

Sarcasm


80 posted on 04/23/2012 4:04:49 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: presently no screen name

I’m fairly certain both prosecution and defense asked for it to be sealed.


81 posted on 04/23/2012 4:05:57 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I think O Mara’s seemingly nice guy image is one he has honed when being a TV analyst..and he does the ‘nice’ thing on purpose for the cameras. As in, “Aw goly shucks..I guess we just don’t have the evidence. sorry.”

O'Mara comes off as a nice guy, but also comes off as very well prepared and always in control. That bail hearing sent a message that he's quite capable of being tough in court.

82 posted on 04/23/2012 4:07:02 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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To: chris37

OMG I got out of my car and walked around town for a whole day! Lucky I didn’t get my @ss whipped as I wouldn’t have even known I deserved it!!!


83 posted on 04/23/2012 4:09:30 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: MindBender26

I thought Zimmerwhiteman hunted him down and shot him in mid-skittle.


84 posted on 04/23/2012 4:09:58 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (You mean we have a choice between M.R. and B.O.?)
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To: goseminoles
Im grateful for the pics that surfaced friday.

What are those pics of?

85 posted on 04/23/2012 4:10:25 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: lacrew
found to be in possession of women’s jewelry, and a screwdriver

Uh, he was, uh, yeah, I got it. He was taking a class in jewelry repair. Yeah, that's it!

86 posted on 04/23/2012 4:14:37 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: freedomlover
Damn straight!

Truth be told, as long as you don't have the sheer audacity to get out of your car when certain "people" are around to see you get out of your car, then you will likely be OK and within your rights.

87 posted on 04/23/2012 4:25:40 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: libstripper
a mile is very easy for a fit 17 year old football player to do in well under 20 minute

But hey! It ain cool be walkin that fast. Damn wyatt people likes to walk fast cause they ain cool an they alls want to look like they going somewhere portant. They alls walkin fast like they gots git home tuh take a leak or sumpin.

You gots to stroll like its a sunny day in duh park an you ain in no hurry git anywhere 'tall. Like, when dat rett light change green an you inna cross walk wit all them wyatt people waitin in they cars? You gots to walk nice an calm cross dat street to let then know who's in charge uh dis place an they ain no traffic light gone bust you stride.

If you walks a mile in less than 45 minute, you outta de thug club, man! Dat series! Sides, walkin fast wear out that $200 shoe you stole from dat wyatt boy jus for you smack his haid an knock he out.

88 posted on 04/23/2012 4:27:39 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: lacrew

You forgot the tag! One never knows anymore.


89 posted on 04/23/2012 4:31:51 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

“What are the pics of”

His bloody head...


90 posted on 04/23/2012 4:34:01 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: MindBender26

Is this the same friend who said there would be no indictment?


91 posted on 04/23/2012 4:34:46 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesHill not text while dri)
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To: chris37

You never kill your friends to appease your enemies. Good on Sanford for not accepting resignation. I bet he’s been threatened as well.


92 posted on 04/23/2012 4:36:40 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesHill not text while dri)
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To: Darren McCarty

O’Mara is a kick ass attorney. Zimmerman is well defended. He’s not flashy or controversial. But he’s smart and efficient.


93 posted on 04/23/2012 4:37:40 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: spacejunkie2001

OK. Thanks. So it wasn’t released yet. I’m sure/hope his lawyer has the results or able to have had it tested themselves.


94 posted on 04/23/2012 4:37:57 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: goseminoles

Oh, yes! Thanks.


95 posted on 04/23/2012 4:39:34 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: goseminoles

Good to know. Is this the same lawyer who said he isn’t going to represent him anymore since he didn’t hear from him and said he wasn’t in FL anymore but far away?


96 posted on 04/23/2012 4:41:27 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: lacrew
But also, why would this young lad be wandering around, taking the slow walk, in the nasty weather, to his house? 7-11 officials put him at the store between 6:00 and 6:30...at least 40 minutes before Zimmerman calls 911. Why did St. Skittles take so long, to walk a mile? In the drizzle and cold?

They've verified the location of the 7-Eleven? In another thread, a question was raised about that. I think someone was using Google Maps to plot the store locations relative to the scene of the shooting - it was more like two miles.

97 posted on 04/23/2012 4:41:35 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: MindBender26

Wow. The question remains... will we see the actual autopsy or will that be sealed too?


98 posted on 04/23/2012 4:41:50 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: presently no screen name

No. That was Z’s two previous lawyers that hauled ass. He has solid representation now. Its all good. The focus is to discredite an idiot names crump or parks..


99 posted on 04/23/2012 4:51:09 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Right Wing Assault

OMG!! You must have taken a post graduate course in Ebonics.


100 posted on 04/23/2012 4:59:48 PM PDT by libstripper
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