Skip to comments.Va. couple accidentally shot at gun safety class...(a 45 no less.)
Posted on 04/24/2012 7:29:03 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighwayEdited on 04/24/2012 7:33:24 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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The only one “professional enough” to handle the glock. BAM!
First, it’s a semi-automatic, not an automatic pistol.
Second, 90% of SA Pistols are unsafe. Why? Because they lack a real safety, and an indicator of a round in the chamber.
Both the Taurus PT709 slim and the some of the Kahr models offer a REAL safety and a loaded chamber indicator you can see/feel in the dark. This, along with training, make these SA Pistols safer than a revolver, and easier to carry. Both pistols mentioned are < 3 x 5 inches and less than one inch thick.
What I mean by “real safety” is a safety that is NOT disengaged simply by gripping the gun in a normal manner. (grip interlocks, trigger safeties, etc).
They are great for the professional (police) use, but because the citizen does not use/shoot his gun on a daily basis, they more often lead to accidents.
BTW, for those of you glock lovers out there, no we are not in the old west quickdraw competitions. In fact, any competant gun trainer will tell you not to draw your concealed weapon unless there is at least 10-15 feet between you and your assailant.
First rule of a gun safety class is don’t let the students bring their guns.
With all due respect, it’s a semi-automatic and it’s a tool just like any other tool. Learn to use it and respect it, just like you would any other tool.
My husband and I were NRA certified in pistol and rifle (we let the certs slip, although we still teach). If someone is shot in a gun safety class, then it was not being taught correctly. No live ammo in the room. We use cute pink and blue replicas for the gun handling part. Even with the fake guns we demand the safety rules be followed — particularly KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER and DON’T POINT THE MUZZLE AT ANYONE OR ANYTHING YOU DON’T WANT TO DESTROY. If you can’t follow the rules with a fake gun - we ain’t letting ya shoot a real one. At least, not around us.
Someone one got really sloppy.
Try a better semi-auto. I carry an HK P30 9mm. It is as reliable as they come. Holds 15+1.
There’s a reason the SEALs carry HKs (they carry the .45 version of the P30, the HK45ct). Don’t want your sidearm jamming with a terrorist smiling at you.
John Browning designed that weapon to be carried cocked and unlocked.
The grip safety is brilliant, and it works.
“...you could expect that sometimes the spring in the clip would “go soft” and in rapid fire situations, the gun would jam....”
I always use high-quality magazines, and rotate the ammo out of them into other mags, let them ‘rest’, and then rotate those mags too, that’s not a problem.
Yeah, they’re not cheap mags.
I do that 2-weekly rotation with the mag in the well, as well as the 2 extras in the add’l paddle holster carrier. I have 15 of those WC Mags.
My 3 full-size 1911 Kimber .45cal ACPs have never jammed/misfired in 14yrs. Probably over 10k thru the 3 in IDPA, NRA Comp, targets etc.
That said, I also have a pristine 1974 Colt Trooper MKIII .357mag which I love, but the 6” barrel makes for difficult CCW, unless I use the Bianchi Shoulder-Hoslter-Rig, under a jacket. In 100F+ heat, that’s problematic. The Kimbers are less difficult to conceal in the Galco Paddle Holsters.
All that said, there’s always “a first time”...
Glocks don’t have a traditional safety. You best safety is the three pound, shoulder mounted computer.
So this means that 100% of all revolvers are also unsafe? Every weapon is safe if you as long as you keep your fingers and any other object off the trigger.
In a life or death, Oh sh!t situation you may not have time to rack and fire.
We have different preferences. I don't want a loaded chamber indicator. All weapons are to be treated as loaded, whether or not they indicate as loaded. I don't find the "safety" particularly relevant in evaluating whether a firearm is safe either. None of my weapons are on "safe" at this moment, or ever unless required by rules at a particular range. In my interaction with firearms, safety comes from proper handling, not from mechanical devices. So long as others don't try to mandate particular safety measures for my weapons or for my home, I don't mind if they choose their own purchases based on their preferences but I would be unhappy with any efforts to require that I buy more junk that I don't want.
Note: My last purchase came with an annoying lock that suffered an immediate "mechanical failure". I do not want anything to interfere with the proper operation of my firearms, nor do I want to have to find and insert a key in the dark if I need to defend my family.
Lesson #1. Treat every gun as if it is loaded
Lesson #2. If gun is not loaded see lesson #1
Geez... Can you people read??
I CLEARLY stated that it was a PERSONAL PREFERENCE
I respect the hell out of it- enough to know I am too stupid to have one- they scare the hell out of me
Revolvers I am fine with
No mine is a Sig Sauer P250C chambered in .357 SIG. I have no problem with Glocks either as I have a few of them too.
Mr. K - I can read. You called it an automatic weapon. I was merely, and politely, correcting you. Personal preference is fine. I prefer semi-autos to revolvers, although I have a couple of revolvers that I really enjoy shooting (.44 special, to be exact).
I truly doubt you are too stupid to have one. Being scared of something is often based on a bad experience or lack of experience. Either way, it’s your choice and you are being a responsible gun owner. Thank you for that.
Clearly. But I will reiterate what ie said on a number of gun safety threads: The key to never having a gun accident is to assume that you are still capable of one. One of the things that ticks me off about some gun folk is that they get cocky. Especially after years and years of safely handling firearms, folks have a tendency to believe that it can't happen to them. They're too careful. Their safe practices are too ingrained. Only somebody that's "stupid" can have an accident. To me... That's a dangerous attitude. Once you think yourself incapable of a mistake you're well along the road to finding out how wrong you are. The rules of gun handling are there because we're -all- capable of mistakes. That's why there's more than one rule, and you have to violate all of them at the same time to hurt somebody.
I love the 1911 platform for competition and even home defense. I just would not carry one out of preference. I have other firepower options that are just as easy to carry and have much greater firepower.
Excellent point. We went shooting with a guy with a guy who had been shooting for 50 years. He asked if I wanted to shoot his .45. He had the barrel pointing at my head and his finger was on the trigger. I could actually s see the round in the chamber. It shocked the you know what out of me. He saw nothing wrong with his gun handling. We made some excuses about having to go and never shot with the man again.
Actually... You’re the one making the error. The .45 is called the “.45 automatic” and “ACP” stands for Automatic Colt Pistol. Nobody calls it the 1911 “semi-auto”.
The distinction between full and semi auto are about the type of weapon, but the name of the pistol is still just “automatic”. It is needlessly trivial to insist on the semi designation for every auto loading pistol. It refers to the way the mechanism self-loads with every shot. All self-loading pistols are commonly referred to as “autos”.
Heh... Yah, I’ve been out around guys like that too. And yes... I find excuses to not go shooting with them again. The funny thing is that if you ask them, they’ll quote the rules perfectly and they’ll insist that they practice them without fail. (sigh).