Skip to comments.MILITARY: Female Marines to get combat assignments
Posted on 04/24/2012 2:26:42 PM PDT by jazusamo
The Marine Corps said Tuesday that it is taking another step toward allowing women to serve in combat roles.
Gen. James Amos, Marine Corps commandant, said selected groups of female Marines will get combat unit assignments later this year as part of a study on the appropriateness of women on the battlefield.
Amos announced the initiative in a message posted on a service website.
The program calls for assigning women officers, gunnery sergeants and staff sergeants to combat artillery, tank, amphibious, engineer and assault units.
Current law restricts women from serving in direct combat in all but a few assignments, such as motor transport or aircraft crews.
But in practice women have served in combat jobs as special "attachments" during the Iraq war and in Afghanistan. More than 140 U.S. military women have been killed in the wars.
Last year, Congress ordered a review of the policy formally excluding women from combat roles.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta took that a further step in February by directing the services assign women to some combat roles and study the results.
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Pretty soon they will adopt a policy of no heterosexuals of different sex can serve together. Talk about a wiggy world.
They’ll still get pregnant. It’s just an awful, awful idea all around.
Seriously, if a woman wants to be GI Jane just work for a firearms company, firearms trainer, work with weapons, do survival training out in the parks and such. Don’t do it in the military. If and when you change your mind, you leave other military guys at risk because they were counting on you.
and I want to be an Army Ranger even though I have a broken back, an artificial hip and am well past my prime. It is, of course, all about me and if I want it, I should have it. (Do I need the /sarc tag?)
in practice women have served in combat jobs as special “attachments” during the Iraq war and in Afghanistan
There ya go. They have already been doing “combat mission” in the villages streets and LOC’s in the WOT and in the skies over Iraq and Afghmaistan.
Just without being called “combat missions”. And without combat training. And without combat pay.
Look up “Operation Lioness” and the term “FET” (female engagement teams)
Amen to that, he's dead on the money.
SPOKEN LIKE A REAL MAN! THANK YOU!
I’m a retired chaplain, Mag. This nation is in a moral abyss, and it’s flailing away at problems that shouldn’t be problems at all.
OF COURSE, a woman shouldn’t be in combat role. Neither should 400 pound couch potatoes. What is hard about that??
You do realize that combat pay is given regardless of the kind of unit you’re in, right? Everyone in the theater receives it. So yes, women get it.
and if you had been sent to SWA to drive a truck or track supplies and instead ended up detailed to a FET or Operation Lioness to accompany combat patrols into the villages and engage and search the women, what would you have called it, if not “combat”?
When are we going to hit bottom? Is there a moral bottom? We seem to dive lower when I think it can’t get any worse a story like this pops up. Start the dang CWII and lets get it over with.
1. Many times a romance blossoms and often one or both are married. Then the other guys become jealous or harbor resentment.
2. Sometime there is a coxswain in the crew who brags to the others how he is going to bed her and many times does. Again the rest of the crew harbors ill feeling.
3. The crew meets in the parking lot and following some serious drinking arguments flare up, usually having to do with the female.
4. The Anglo-Saxon male instinct as the protector of wife and family takes over men try to make her load light and do things to accommodate her. (hard to explain)
5. Once we inadvertently hired a slut who used her body to cause havoc on the whole shift. 6. there are more situations like these, but I'm having a senior moment. I think you get the point.
IMO - Mixing men and women in combat will not work. We are designed differently (physicaly, mentally, socially, etc.)and created for different purposes, and when they mix nature's beautiful design, trouble brews. The Marine women will be well trained and probably do fine, but the guys will be have a problem dealing with it. This will no doubt seriously affect the combat effectiveness of the unit. And that, of course, leads to casualties.
Oh, good to know that!
Now, about the training.
Watching the documentaries of the FETs and Lionesses, it seems like the training of these female clerks and drivers to go along with male foot patrols into hot zones was kind of made up as they went along.
Octogenarians should begin complaining about discrimination in the military.
I gotta’ give it to today’s military “Man”. I don’t think I’d be willing to serve in today’s military.
You’ve made your point. We get it, you are in favor of this PC moral depravity. Proud?
Had you been a factory manager in 1910, you would have made the same arguments about why society could not put women next to men on the factory assembly lines
Integrating women in ground combat positions in the Marine Corp and Army is a whole nother ball game, I believe.
I agree with all you wrote except the above part b.
You can't train someone to do something they are physically incapable of doing.
Woman should be allowed in to front line positions IF and ONLY IF they have to meet the same physical and combat standards that men have to meet.
You should also realize that, in the Marine Corps, all women (like all non-infantry men) go through Marine Combat Training before going to their MOS schools. MCT gives the basic knowledge necessary to do combat-related tasks like foot patrols.
Is there a moral bottom?
Yep. It’s called Hell.
As I pointed out during the “Tailhook Scandal” if women cannot protect themselves during a Cocktail party, how than they protect a country during a war?
Dare you to call a female Gunner’s Mate a Gun Bunny. That would net you 45 and 45 with half months pay x 2.
and retired USAF
and whose memories of moral depravity seem to focus back on strippers in the O’club at Minot and the behaviors of married male fighter pilots when TDY to ROK and PI
I didn't get the memo that the US has morphed into an Ashcan village.
Do women have a role?
On the battle field, NO!
This is madness, utter madness and it tells us just how far pc mentality has snuck into the military.
My son was a rifleman in the 101st AB in Iraq and he’s not a sexist by any stretch but he is adamant that NO WOMEN be in the infantry for some of the reasons mentioned already in this thread.
The things that happen in combat- the risks that soldiers/marines take and the way they necessarily conduct themselves in battle is unsuited for women and men together- regardless of how tough they are. It will handicap the MEN and the mission.
You want women in combat- segregate them and let the very few who will volunteer for it and be physically equipped to handle it be our Amazon brigade- but do NOT mix them with the men. (Even this would never work- it’s not pc enough.)
Amen FRiend....and, thank you!
To DECREASE our readiness, just like dumbing down our students, shipping jobs overseas, etc, etc.
To make Mrs Obama proud.
DADT now this. What’s next, how do we go lower from here?
I agree that it will hurt combat effectivness and for the reasons you mentioned plus more. The vast majority of women are not physically as strong as men, they’ll probably do okay most of the time but it’s the life threatening times that bother me.
We can make it worse by removing sexual boundaries regarding fraternization.
I actually believe that is coming, because a gay leader will be denied access to a gay lower ranking lover in his own unit.
That will be interpreted as homophobic and restrictions will be removed.
That will contribute to utter chaos.
Absolutely agree, and that really narrows down the women that would qualify.
Have you watched the documentaries about Lionesss and FETs? Check out Youtube, plenty of video footage.
The jobs these women were detailed to do after they got to SWA theater went beyond “basic” combat related patrols
They got trained in the field in a catch-up fashion to be able to defend themselves in combat patrols and back up the men
This DoD evolution in assigning their roles formal recognition as “combat” is recognition of their effectiveness in certain WOT combat situations
Not every woman - or man - is cut out to fight another Pork Chop Hill, but many battlefields these days bear little resemblance to Verdun, Pork Chop Hill or Battle of the Bulge.
Send in the BAM’s and Homos first.
Well now the US Marines have to put up all female squads like the Iranians?
Are one of them there “log cabin” republicans? So do you like gladiator movies?
I couldn’t agree with your son more SE Mom, and I thank him for his service.
And thank you for your service
And what we’ll see happen is that as women step up to do front line combat the men will step back and do support roles instead. Before you know it the majority of women will be in those roles.
All I can say is...ladies first!
In addition- I think there have simply GOT to be a few places left in the world where men can get away from us (women). Not that it’s a reason to enlist in the infantry but I look around these days and realize there’s almost no hallowed ground anymore where men don’t have to be on alert to possible crazed and angry women trying to get their “rights”.
No, but I am partial to Wonder Woman, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the pink power ranger
correction: these were not arguments. They are observations of mine and no one elses.
I sincerely thank you for yours as well, Chief!
I watched every female in my plebe company at the USNA go down with shin splints during the first week. Several could run well, but put them in boondockers and have them double-timing under arms. Shin splints.
They want to level the playing field and give our enemies an “equal opportunity” to kill our soldiers.
Bingo! Their goal is to destroy our military superiority.
And a very “well done” to you too.
In addition- I think there have simply GOT to be a few places left in the world where men can get away from us (women). Not that its a reason to enlist in the infantry but I look around these days and realize theres almost no hallowed ground anymore where men dont have to be on alert to possible crazed and angry women trying to get their rights.
Amen, sister! This woman agrees with you. So sick of the war on men.
The military's future problems will not be caused by women or by gays; they will be a result of politically-correct brass. We are losing the military just as we lost education and the media.
The Left marches on and anyone who refuses to vote for President this Fall contributes to their victory.
“Not every woman - or man - is cut out to fight another Pork Chop Hill, but many battlefields these days bear little resemblance to Verdun, Pork Chop Hill or Battle of the Bulge.”
And you have devined that such scenarios will never happen again? Please reecall the admonition against fighting the last war.
I would also refer you to “House to House” BY SSG David Bellavia on Fallujah as a small scale Stalingrad or “Outlaw Platoon” by Sean Parnell with a light infantry platoon performing similar feats to Merril’s Marauder’s in Afghanistan.
Your PC fantasies do not confuse those of us who have experienced infantry combat at the sharp end. We simply do not need large numbers of women in this role on the first teams to engage the enemy considering the fact that this nation’s population is over 300,000,000. There are more than enough men for the role. When we are getting defeated like the Soviets were in Operation Barbarossa we can either consider surrender or creating Night Witches Flying Squadrons.
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