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MILITARY: Female Marines to get combat assignments
NC Times ^ | April 24, 2012 | Mark Walker

Posted on 04/24/2012 2:26:42 PM PDT by jazusamo

The Marine Corps said Tuesday that it is taking another step toward allowing women to serve in combat roles.

Gen. James Amos, Marine Corps commandant, said selected groups of female Marines will get combat unit assignments later this year as part of a study on the appropriateness of women on the battlefield.

Amos announced the initiative in a message posted on a service website.

The program calls for assigning women officers, gunnery sergeants and staff sergeants to combat artillery, tank, amphibious, engineer and assault units.

Current law restricts women from serving in direct combat in all but a few assignments, such as motor transport or aircraft crews.

But in practice women have served in combat jobs as special "attachments" during the Iraq war and in Afghanistan. More than 140 U.S. military women have been killed in the wars.

Last year, Congress ordered a review of the policy formally excluding women from combat roles.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta took that a further step in February by directing the services assign women to some combat roles and study the results.

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To: Responsibility2nd

Pretty soon they will adopt a policy of no heterosexuals of different sex can serve together. Talk about a wiggy world.

They’ll still get pregnant. It’s just an awful, awful idea all around.

Seriously, if a woman wants to be GI Jane just work for a firearms company, firearms trainer, work with weapons, do survival training out in the parks and such. Don’t do it in the military. If and when you change your mind, you leave other military guys at risk because they were counting on you.


51 posted on 04/24/2012 3:14:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: xzins

and I want to be an Army Ranger even though I have a broken back, an artificial hip and am well past my prime. It is, of course, all about me and if I want it, I should have it. (Do I need the /sarc tag?)


52 posted on 04/24/2012 3:15:00 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: jazusamo

in practice women have served in combat jobs as special “attachments” during the Iraq war and in Afghanistan

There ya go. They have already been doing “combat mission” in the villages streets and LOC’s in the WOT and in the skies over Iraq and Afghmaistan.

Just without being called “combat missions”. And without combat training. And without combat pay.

Look up “Operation Lioness” and the term “FET” (female engagement teams)


53 posted on 04/24/2012 3:15:58 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: smoothsailing
I agree with Piper.

Amen to that, he's dead on the money.

54 posted on 04/24/2012 3:16:55 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

SPOKEN LIKE A REAL MAN! THANK YOU!


55 posted on 04/24/2012 3:17:36 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: MagUSNRET

I’m a retired chaplain, Mag. This nation is in a moral abyss, and it’s flailing away at problems that shouldn’t be problems at all.

OF COURSE, a woman shouldn’t be in combat role. Neither should 400 pound couch potatoes. What is hard about that??


56 posted on 04/24/2012 3:18:56 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: silverleaf

You do realize that combat pay is given regardless of the kind of unit you’re in, right? Everyone in the theater receives it. So yes, women get it.


57 posted on 04/24/2012 3:19:59 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: MagUSNRET

and if you had been sent to SWA to drive a truck or track supplies and instead ended up detailed to a FET or Operation Lioness to accompany combat patrols into the villages and engage and search the women, what would you have called it, if not “combat”?


58 posted on 04/24/2012 3:19:59 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: xzins

When are we going to hit bottom? Is there a moral bottom? We seem to dive lower when I think it can’t get any worse a story like this pops up. Start the dang CWII and lets get it over with.


59 posted on 04/24/2012 3:21:23 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jazusamo
I witnessed the introduction of women into a heavy industry plant in the early 80’s.. The women did fine, it's the men in the crews. There were several problems all of which had an adverse effect on efficiency and as a result plant production suffered.

1. Many times a romance blossoms and often one or both are married. Then the other guys become jealous or harbor resentment.
2. Sometime there is a coxswain in the crew who brags to the others how he is going to bed her and many times does. Again the rest of the crew harbors ill feeling.
3. The crew meets in the parking lot and following some serious drinking arguments flare up, usually having to do with the female.
4. The Anglo-Saxon male instinct as the protector of wife and family takes over men try to make her load light and do things to accommodate her. (hard to explain)
5. Once we inadvertently hired a slut who used her body to cause havoc on the whole shift. 6. there are more situations like these, but I'm having a senior moment. I think you get the point.

IMO - Mixing men and women in combat will not work. We are designed differently (physicaly, mentally, socially, etc.)and created for different purposes, and when they mix nature's beautiful design, trouble brews. The Marine women will be well trained and probably do fine, but the guys will be have a problem dealing with it. This will no doubt seriously affect the combat effectiveness of the unit. And that, of course, leads to casualties.

60 posted on 04/24/2012 3:21:37 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: xzins
When are we going to hit bottom? Is there a moral bottom? We seem to dive lower when I think it can't get any worse a story like this pops up. Start the dang CWII and lets get it over with.
61 posted on 04/24/2012 3:22:15 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Echo4C

Oh, good to know that!
Now, about the training.
Watching the documentaries of the FETs and Lionesses, it seems like the training of these female clerks and drivers to go along with male foot patrols into hot zones was kind of made up as they went along.


62 posted on 04/24/2012 3:23:05 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Eagles6

Excellent, E6.

Octogenarians should begin complaining about discrimination in the military.


63 posted on 04/24/2012 3:23:05 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: jazusamo

I gotta’ give it to today’s military “Man”. I don’t think I’d be willing to serve in today’s military.


64 posted on 04/24/2012 3:23:58 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: silverleaf

You’ve made your point. We get it, you are in favor of this PC moral depravity. Proud?


65 posted on 04/24/2012 3:24:30 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: elpadre

Had you been a factory manager in 1910, you would have made the same arguments about why society could not put women next to men on the factory assembly lines


66 posted on 04/24/2012 3:25:43 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: silverleaf
I'm aware of their current assignments and the need for women to be able to make contact with Muslim women in strict Muslim countries. It's more of a special forces type assignment at present from what I've read.

Integrating women in ground combat positions in the Marine Corp and Army is a whole nother ball game, I believe.

67 posted on 04/24/2012 3:25:43 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: elpadre
The Marine women will be well trained and probably do fine

I agree with all you wrote except the above part b.

You can't train someone to do something they are physically incapable of doing.

68 posted on 04/24/2012 3:26:24 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: jazusamo

Woman should be allowed in to front line positions IF and ONLY IF they have to meet the same physical and combat standards that men have to meet.


69 posted on 04/24/2012 3:26:55 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Romney barely won in OH with a 12-1 money advantage, he can't beat Obama that way.)
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To: silverleaf

You should also realize that, in the Marine Corps, all women (like all non-infantry men) go through Marine Combat Training before going to their MOS schools. MCT gives the basic knowledge necessary to do combat-related tasks like foot patrols.


70 posted on 04/24/2012 3:27:15 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: central_va

Is there a moral bottom?

Yep. It’s called Hell.


71 posted on 04/24/2012 3:28:16 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: jazusamo

As I pointed out during the “Tailhook Scandal” if women cannot protect themselves during a Cocktail party, how than they protect a country during a war?


72 posted on 04/24/2012 3:29:09 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Molon Labbie

Dare you to call a female Gunner’s Mate a Gun Bunny. That would net you 45 and 45 with half months pay x 2.


73 posted on 04/24/2012 3:29:25 PM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV))
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To: central_va

Proud

and retired USAF

and whose memories of moral depravity seem to focus back on strippers in the O’club at Minot and the behaviors of married male fighter pilots when TDY to ROK and PI


74 posted on 04/24/2012 3:29:48 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: silverleaf
In the villages of Afghanistan, women can go places, hear things, and do things men cannot, like pat down and control the women and children while their men are being interrogated and searched.

I didn't get the memo that the US has morphed into an Ashcan village.

Do women have a role?

Yes.

On the battle field, NO!

75 posted on 04/24/2012 3:29:57 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: jazusamo

This is madness, utter madness and it tells us just how far pc mentality has snuck into the military.

My son was a rifleman in the 101st AB in Iraq and he’s not a sexist by any stretch but he is adamant that NO WOMEN be in the infantry for some of the reasons mentioned already in this thread.

The things that happen in combat- the risks that soldiers/marines take and the way they necessarily conduct themselves in battle is unsuited for women and men together- regardless of how tough they are. It will handicap the MEN and the mission.

You want women in combat- segregate them and let the very few who will volunteer for it and be physically equipped to handle it be our Amazon brigade- but do NOT mix them with the men. (Even this would never work- it’s not pc enough.)

ScreamingEagle Mom


76 posted on 04/24/2012 3:31:42 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Amen FRiend....and, thank you!


77 posted on 04/24/2012 3:32:24 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: lacrew

To DECREASE our readiness, just like dumbing down our students, shipping jobs overseas, etc, etc.

To make Mrs Obama proud.


78 posted on 04/24/2012 3:33:17 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: xzins

DADT now this. What’s next, how do we go lower from here?


79 posted on 04/24/2012 3:33:28 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: elpadre

I agree that it will hurt combat effectivness and for the reasons you mentioned plus more. The vast majority of women are not physically as strong as men, they’ll probably do okay most of the time but it’s the life threatening times that bother me.


80 posted on 04/24/2012 3:35:16 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: central_va

We can make it worse by removing sexual boundaries regarding fraternization.

I actually believe that is coming, because a gay leader will be denied access to a gay lower ranking lover in his own unit.

That will be interpreted as homophobic and restrictions will be removed.

That will contribute to utter chaos.


81 posted on 04/24/2012 3:37:01 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: Thunder90

Absolutely agree, and that really narrows down the women that would qualify.


82 posted on 04/24/2012 3:38:59 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Echo4C

Have you watched the documentaries about Lionesss and FETs? Check out Youtube, plenty of video footage.

The jobs these women were detailed to do after they got to SWA theater went beyond “basic” combat related patrols

They got trained in the field in a catch-up fashion to be able to defend themselves in combat patrols and back up the men

This DoD evolution in assigning their roles formal recognition as “combat” is recognition of their effectiveness in certain WOT combat situations

Not every woman - or man - is cut out to fight another Pork Chop Hill, but many battlefields these days bear little resemblance to Verdun, Pork Chop Hill or Battle of the Bulge.


83 posted on 04/24/2012 3:38:59 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: jazusamo

Send in the BAM’s and Homos first.


84 posted on 04/24/2012 3:39:32 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well now the US Marines have to put up all female squads like the Iranians?

See Link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2875595/posts?page=5#5


85 posted on 04/24/2012 3:40:55 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: silverleaf

Are one of them there “log cabin” republicans? So do you like gladiator movies?


86 posted on 04/24/2012 3:42:09 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SE Mom

I couldn’t agree with your son more SE Mom, and I thank him for his service.


87 posted on 04/24/2012 3:43:28 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: MagUSNRET

Well said!

And thank you for your service


88 posted on 04/24/2012 3:49:58 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: jazusamo

And what we’ll see happen is that as women step up to do front line combat the men will step back and do support roles instead. Before you know it the majority of women will be in those roles.

All I can say is...ladies first!


89 posted on 04/24/2012 3:56:36 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: jazusamo

In addition- I think there have simply GOT to be a few places left in the world where men can get away from us (women). Not that it’s a reason to enlist in the infantry but I look around these days and realize there’s almost no hallowed ground anymore where men don’t have to be on alert to possible crazed and angry women trying to get their “rights”.


90 posted on 04/24/2012 3:56:50 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: central_va

No, but I am partial to Wonder Woman, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the pink power ranger


91 posted on 04/24/2012 3:57:15 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: silverleaf

correction: these were not arguments. They are observations of mine and no one elses.


92 posted on 04/24/2012 4:07:17 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Steve Newton

I sincerely thank you for yours as well, Chief!
Bravo Zulu!


93 posted on 04/24/2012 4:08:09 PM PDT by MagUSNRET (I have always been proud of my country, it is my government that I am ashamed of!)
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To: lacrew
Another problem for females is the tendency to breakdown after sustained physical activity. A problem that will only be worse because of hygenic problems in the field.

I watched every female in my plebe company at the USNA go down with shin splints during the first week. Several could run well, but put them in boondockers and have them double-timing under arms. Shin splints.

94 posted on 04/24/2012 4:08:09 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: xzins

agree


95 posted on 04/24/2012 4:09:13 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: P-Marlowe

They want to level the playing field and give our enemies an “equal opportunity” to kill our soldiers.

&&&
Bingo! Their goal is to destroy our military superiority.


96 posted on 04/24/2012 4:16:18 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: MagUSNRET

Smiles

And a very “well done” to you too.


97 posted on 04/24/2012 4:30:49 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: SE Mom

In addition- I think there have simply GOT to be a few places left in the world where men can get away from us (women). Not that it’s a reason to enlist in the infantry but I look around these days and realize there’s almost no hallowed ground anymore where men don’t have to be on alert to possible crazed and angry women trying to get their “rights”.

***
Amen, sister! This woman agrees with you. So sick of the war on men.


98 posted on 04/24/2012 4:32:11 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
the problem was blamed on the bad male chalvanisic guys

The military's future problems will not be caused by women or by gays; they will be a result of politically-correct brass. We are losing the military just as we lost education and the media.

The Left marches on and anyone who refuses to vote for President this Fall contributes to their victory.

99 posted on 04/24/2012 4:38:24 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: silverleaf

“Not every woman - or man - is cut out to fight another Pork Chop Hill, but many battlefields these days bear little resemblance to Verdun, Pork Chop Hill or Battle of the Bulge.”

And you have devined that such scenarios will never happen again? Please reecall the admonition against fighting the last war.

I would also refer you to “House to House” BY SSG David Bellavia on Fallujah as a small scale Stalingrad or “Outlaw Platoon” by Sean Parnell with a light infantry platoon performing similar feats to Merril’s Marauder’s in Afghanistan.

Your PC fantasies do not confuse those of us who have experienced infantry combat at the sharp end. We simply do not need large numbers of women in this role on the first teams to engage the enemy considering the fact that this nation’s population is over 300,000,000. There are more than enough men for the role. When we are getting defeated like the Soviets were in Operation Barbarossa we can either consider surrender or creating Night Witches Flying Squadrons.


100 posted on 04/24/2012 4:44:27 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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