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Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores (nanny state cont'd)
The Daily Caller ^ | 4/25/12 | Patrick Richardson

Posted on 04/25/2012 5:51:20 AM PDT by AT7Saluki

A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district members of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.

The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 2012; bloodoftyrants; claire; communism; democrats; elections; farm; govtabuse; labor; liberalfascism; mcaskill; nlrb; obama; rural; tyranny; tyrant; unconstitutional; union; waronliberty
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To: null and void
They must have a nation of dependents to get they want: power.

"Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"Entrepreneurs and their small enterprises are responsible for almost all the economic growth in the United States."

-- Ronald Reagan


51 posted on 04/25/2012 10:01:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Dems have 'Hope & Change.' All the Romney Republicans have is 'We sure Hope he's Changed.')
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To: AT7Saluki

I was driving a tractor on the farm by the time I was five. Now I find that my grandparents, uncle and aunt, and others should have been hung. Who knew?

Is there a super-fund I should know about?

Am I due millions?

Will there be commercials with an 800 number soon?

God, it just never stops


52 posted on 04/25/2012 10:16:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Gabz

You nailed it. This is Democratic fascist corporate welfare at its finest. And I use the classic definition of “fascist” in the Mussolini sense here—a state where the means of production are left in private hands, but the government controls everything through regulation.

}:-)4


53 posted on 04/25/2012 10:21:51 AM PDT by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: concerned about politics

4-H also does other things with kids... My daughter belongs to the 4-H shooters club, you know that would be the first part of 4-H to go bye-bye. She’s quite the little markswoman and really enjoys it.


54 posted on 04/25/2012 10:24:14 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: AT7Saluki
Exactly, this is just another way they are trying to put family farms out of business.
55 posted on 04/25/2012 10:25:24 AM PDT by kara37
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To: ridesthemiles

It’s not a bill. It’s a “rule.” Propagated by the unelected un-Constitutional bureaucrats at the Labor Department, given the rule of law by some obscure Congressional bill from decades ago, probably passed by a lot of Congresscritters who couldn’t even imagine that it would be used this way.

This is what happens when you put a bunch of bureaucrats in power who think “food” comes from Archer Daniels Midland.

}:-)4


56 posted on 04/25/2012 10:25:25 AM PDT by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: cableguymn
"The kids who don’t want to do the work will simply turn their parents in.

BINGO!! How many kids call Child Protective Services on their parents b/c they know it's basically against the law to spank? Kids nowadays would rather play vid games than even play outside.

57 posted on 04/25/2012 10:27:35 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: paul51
Rebel America. It is the only viable option left.

No, they won't. They won't do that until they see grocery store like this...

With Venezuelan Food Shortages, Some Blame Price Controls

58 posted on 04/25/2012 10:33:09 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Moose4

Thanks. I totally agree with your description.

OTOH - maybe this will be the incentive I need to get my 13yo to help a little bit more on our “hobby” farm. She loves the idea of doing things obama and democrats don’t like!


59 posted on 04/25/2012 10:36:05 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: AbolishCSEU
"The kids who don’t want to do the work will simply turn their parents in.

Yep. It worked for the NAZIs in Germany, so the NAZIs in the U.S. figured it would work for them, too.

National Socialism (common short form Nazism, German: Nationalsozialismus) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party - for those who were never taught what NAZI means. You'd be surprised to find out how many people don't know the NAZIs were Socialist like the Democrat party today.
Teach people what NAZI means. They should know.That way they'll understand why Obomacare is so dangerous. Hitler, a socialist, did it, too! We ALL know how that ended.

60 posted on 04/25/2012 10:36:26 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: ridesthemiles; OneWingedShark

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2875852/posts


61 posted on 04/25/2012 10:36:26 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: EBH

Even then, I don’t think a lot of people will rebel. There’ a percentage who will say “sacrifice for the greater good”, and actually believe that garbage. People won’t rebel until they see their loved ones being taken away in the night. But a smart socialist/communist never lets it get that far. Even V. Lenin lightened up on the Communist rules when food shortages started.


62 posted on 04/25/2012 10:45:22 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: Raycpa; AT7Saluki
This is another step in the destruction of US.

Farmboy's 18th birthday:


63 posted on 04/25/2012 10:50:15 AM PDT by Lady Jag
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To: Clock King

Speaking of Vladimir - the U.S. celebrated his birthday on Sunday. The first Earth Day, April 22, 1970, was a celebration of his 100th. Isn’t it great to know Earth Day is really all about dear ole Vlad? And there we all thought it was just a celebration dedicated to recycling!


64 posted on 04/25/2012 10:57:04 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: null and void

“Only not neatly divided on geographical lines.”

Then it’s time to start thinking “outside of the box”... or, perhaps, “outside of established geographical lines”....

And perhaps it’s time for conservatives to consider migrating to those areas where “new geographical lines” can be established — and defended...


65 posted on 04/25/2012 11:18:57 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: AT7Saluki
There's a lot of those jobs illegals want to do, so the government must stop, in their own interest, families from taking jobs that those illegals want.
66 posted on 04/25/2012 11:21:09 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: apillar

thats what the drones flying around are for.


67 posted on 04/25/2012 11:26:52 AM PDT by eak3
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To: EBH
No, they won't. They won't do that until they see grocery store like this...

With Venezuelan Food Shortages, Some Blame Price Controls

Hmmm?

Even with Chavez on death's doorstep, I don't see Venezuelans revolting, do you?

68 posted on 04/25/2012 11:31:52 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1191 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Road Glide

The existing lines are around virtually every urban area.


69 posted on 04/25/2012 11:34:36 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1191 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Roccus

Any truth to the rumor that this bill has been named, “Work For Wetbacks”?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That was my first thought!

Every damn day there is more rules for us all to live by.
This is cruel, to farm families.

I would never obey this law!


70 posted on 04/25/2012 11:34:43 AM PDT by joyce11111
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To: concerned about politics
Teach people what NAZI means. They should know.That way they'll understand why Obomacare is so dangerous.

Unfortunately, it'll fall back to the "Well, they weren't REAL socialists, they were really just fascists" plea. Rather like the "Well, the ideas behind the Bolshevik revolution were sound, they just weren't implemented correctly" manure. Leave it to a liberal to think they can find a way to weasel out of critical thinking. Trust me, they'll take it.
71 posted on 04/25/2012 11:41:04 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: apillar

>>>Unless the government plans to spend billions of dollars placing a full time inspector on every family farm in America it’s unenforceable anyway.<<<

Which is the goal, in my opinion. The idea is to create so many overlapping and unenforceable laws and rules that people are always looking over their shoulders, sort of a low-key version of the Great Terror. A secondary purpose is to give the state the ability to prosecute people when it chooses, perhaps in retribution, perhaps for show, and perhaps from sheer bureaucratic lack of coordination.

We’ve had a lot of practice in this regard concerning drug laws, especially marijuana, but there are plenty of other examples in our daily lives where the government makes regulations that it cannot or won’t enforce. Border protection is another example. Selling whole milk. Having a toilet that flushes more than 1.6 gallons. On and on.

In any case, this kind of bureaucratic rule-making has the impact of reducing the rule of law to mockery. God help us.


72 posted on 04/25/2012 12:01:46 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: cripplecreek
When I was a little kid living in Boyne City, I picked cherries for two summers when I was 12 and 13 years old.

My mom would pack me a lunch then I'd walk down to the road at 6:30 a.m. and wait for the truck from the orchard to come by and pick me up. It was coming from town where it had picked up a bunch of other kids too and take us to the orchard.

We'd pick all day then the truck would drive us home. If I remember correctly, we only got about 75 cents per lug and depending how fast you could pick and steal cherries from the other kids' lugs, you'd get from 6 to ten lugs in a day.

Looking back on it, that was slave labor and I should have reported the farmer to the Department of Labor..........LOL!

73 posted on 04/25/2012 12:09:20 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: Renderofveils
Leave it to a liberal to think they can find a way to weasel out of critical thinking. Trust me, they'll take it.

My second is still in college. A member sitting at his lunch table was claiming he was a Socialist, and that it was a good thing. It was "fair". The Republicans had it all wrong. Well.....my son wasn't going to just sit there and let him get away with that or influence the other brains of mush sitting at the same table. He started naming socialist leaders throughout history and the consequences of their rein of terror. This kid had no idea Hitler was a Socialist, because he had no idea what NAZI meant. Neither did any of the other students at the table.

It all turned out well that day. Those who sat at the table were given a rude awakening. In fact, after my son went through socialism's history, and proved to them on his lap top the democrats socialized agenda (and communist links), the other students walked away in shock and horror over what was going on around them right under their young noses. They voted for Oboma. To this day, they apologize to everyone who asks them who they voted for, because they didn't know Oboma and the democrats were socialists (like Joseph Stalin) when they voted. Now, they're teaching their friends, too, not to make the same mistake they made.

There's hope out there for the college kids. You just have to get past all the liberal screaming. One good connection creates a chain reaction, so, I've sent my kids out on an educational mission.

74 posted on 04/25/2012 12:13:27 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

***I worked on a chicken farm, 85,000 chickens, you shoveled food in at one end of the barn and shoveled the poop out at the other. ***

Been there, done that.

Also been there done that............with turkeys.


75 posted on 04/25/2012 12:38:56 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: AbolishCSEU
Kids nowadays would rather play vid games than even play outside.

Sometimes I wish my kid would!

All kidding aside, I know exactly what you mean. however we also have to understand some kids don't live in great areas and come home to an empty house and aren't allowed to be outside.

My daughter has been home from school less than 10 minutes and is already changing her clothes to head outside. I "may" be able to get her inside in time to have something to eat before she heads for Youth Group!

76 posted on 04/25/2012 12:46:20 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: concerned about politics

That sounded like one of the military schools. The Citadel or VMI.


77 posted on 04/25/2012 12:50:56 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: listenhillary
“I nicked the census man.”
“Now there’s a good boy.”

Pleased to make your acquaintance, Mr Hogwallop.

78 posted on 04/25/2012 12:57:19 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Looking back on it, that was slave labor and I should have reported the farmer to the Department of Labor..........LOL!

ROFL!!!!

Your story reminds me of an older gentleman my daughter and I encountered when we were picking strawberries at a U-pick place a few years back. He was telling us (really her) about how when he was her age - she was about 8 at the time - he used to get picked up and taken to the strawberry field and was paid 10 cents a quart and would do it every day he could during strawberry season. It was fascinating listening to him, and also watching him - even though he was engrossed in his story he never missed a beat with picking berries. That was 5 or 6 years ago and that man was easily 80, if he were a day!

79 posted on 04/25/2012 1:16:40 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: null and void

It’s fun to contemplate how long cities would last if rural areas cut off food shipments. Oh well, a man can dream.


80 posted on 04/25/2012 1:16:56 PM PDT by newsbot (TII.FI.IIWII)
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To: null and void

The question is ...will Americans? Or more aptly...will ‘fly-over’ country?


81 posted on 04/25/2012 1:19:41 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: AT7Saluki
Don't know the age of the average FReeper. But I have good memories of working on my cousins farm, working on a ranch( cattle and other critters). Farming was hard, bloody hard work but it was good clean hard living. I miss it.

Some of my cousins lost everything with the Pelosi river smaelt BS and now it looks like my last cousins farm will be in jeopardy( I won't say the city but near Hollister Ca) also the old farm( aunts) full of apples in Watsonville, so many farms will be hit. Heck they need a drivers license to run tractiors also!

They've ruined a brothers fishing business not long ago with salmon/crab, name it. He now works two jobs at a grocery store and had to sell his two boats that had been in the family since the 1920's. A half brother is homeless because of the logging/pulp mills( he has a degree in forestry).

We got paid in experience, in trade sometimes, sometimes cash but the stuff I learned on the farm and ranches was priceless. I can imagine family farms gutted finally, and the government parceling it out or taking over when no one in government knows how to raise cattle, or goats, or sheep or horses.

No one understands when or how to irrigate or when to plant or when/how to prune, or how to kill critters that eat your fruit or ruin your cattle. How would they even know what kind of hay or oats in drought or which areas to use at which times with free range? Oh gads, it'll just hurt so many more farmers and ranchers and the price of food will skyrocket. Co-ops will go under and all for what?

I can smell a nightmare and it smells like dead farms, dead cattle and brown rotted fruit, moldy alfalfa and dry as a bone farms and for what? People have been farming this way for thousands of years, and they think there's a more effective new way by giving their kids W-2 forms and a minimum wage? And what of welding and carpentry and electrical and fixing machinery insted of subcontracting? These skills are taught at an early age and will help in hard times.

These skills for young kids are invaluable and just owning/running a farm is such a feeling of pride, the indomitable spirit of America and American's...sorry this bad tangent, this bad writing but this is actually making me cry and it takes a lot for me to break. It's a damned tragedy all for _u_____ politics. _a___ them all to hell.

82 posted on 04/25/2012 1:42:53 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Back in 1962, we got put in the fields picking green beans. Hot and humidity almost killed us. We got a penny a pound for the work.

I made $5.00 one day! Thought I was in hog heaven! Then the weather turned dry and hotter. We picked the same amount of beans but I never made more than $2.50 a day after that. The buyer then upped the pay to a whole 1 1/2 cents lb.

The next year it was back to the bean fields. It was so hot my brother passed out in the fields.


83 posted on 04/25/2012 1:44:27 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: W. W. SMITH

Back in my youth, before Sam Walton broke the economic stranglehold the Chicken Men had on this country, I worked at what I could get. Shoveling chicken manure, hauling eggs, feeding chickens for growers who got sick.

Then I went to work in a chicken hatchery and hauled many a turkey egg to another hatchery miles away.

The Turkey growers often told me just how “dumb a turkey is, and the only thing dumber was a turkey grower!”


84 posted on 04/25/2012 1:47:45 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: bert
...should be declared OS...

Sniped, and Facebooked. Your idea SHOULD go viral.

85 posted on 04/25/2012 2:16:30 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GOPe 2012 MITT HAPPENS)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Back in 1962, ...I made $5.00 one day!

That's when I was 12 and doing the cherry picking. The income is about right, 6 - 8 lugs at 75 cents each - about 5 bucks.

Sorry about the beans, at least we could stand straight up and pick without having to bend over. Of course we were constantly yelled at for just picking the lower cherries and not climbing the ladders into the trees to get the higher ones.

86 posted on 04/25/2012 2:22:53 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: toomanylaws
“The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule” Can these dipshi#s just make up any rule they want?

For federal corporate individuals, officers and employees, pretty much. Which, you might notice, is a mere fraction of the American population of natural persons without corporate standing. Which means if the bulk of the American population would take a legal class and learn how they're being lied to, then virtually all of the tyranny being imposed upon them would literally vanish, as they realized it doesn't legally apply to them. And that way, without riots or any other disturbance, the Leftists would be comply broken and America would be returned to its genuine, original freedoms - which were actually there right in front of them all along, hidden by a vast government smoke screen of inapplicable administrative rules.

Well, that's good news, right? The country is saved, right? Yeah. Right.

:: crickets ::

87 posted on 04/25/2012 2:24:52 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: AT7Saluki
This is a means by which to drive the family farm out of business. ADM will benefit.

So will illegals.

88 posted on 04/25/2012 2:28:46 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: apillar

The point is not about being universally enforceable, it is a new tool for any LEO with an agenda. If they made breathing illegal it would be unenforceable too. Then, anyone can be arrested.


89 posted on 04/25/2012 3:02:10 PM PDT by Ritemind (My two cents are change you can believe in!)
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To: AT7Saluki

Hey you idiots who hate Mitt Romney and say he equals Obama. .... Do you think he would be doing this??? Wake up ya dopes!!!


90 posted on 04/25/2012 3:04:50 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: AT7Saluki

The laws against child labor were exclusively part of the feminist cause. Susan B. Anthony and her friends pushed against young people being allowed to work with their fathers, after their fathers took custody in adulterous wife divorces. Feminism is one of the main prongs of the elitist effort to keep working class families from competing in business.

Republicans in Congress would vote along with Democrats against “child labor” again, if they could. Their ruling political regulator class bosses wouldn’t have it any other way.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide. It’s one of the consequences of popular, anti-family, anti-American policies.


91 posted on 04/25/2012 3:17:00 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: AT7Saluki
Actually, I think 0bama's Labor Department has a good point...

People working on Collective Farms don't have to know anything much about farming. All they have to do is follow the 5 Year Plan and and meet the Commissar's quotas!

92 posted on 04/25/2012 3:55:26 PM PDT by Gritty (With suffocating statism, sexual license is the only thing one doesn't need a license for-Mark Steyn)
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To: dennisw
"Hey you idiots who hate Mitt Romney and say he equals Obama. .... Do you think he would be doing this??? Wake up ya dopes!!!"

That's a good question, although it's not really stated as a question. Let's see--yet another governor without much of a voting record, who can be run as a stealth socialist candidate for the bipartisan, government/government-linked, political/regulator class.

We can only guess, as usual. So here goes. Would Romney have voted in favor of S.510 before the inclusion of the Tester Amendment? Well, how about this. Is he in favor of freedom for all?

In a South Carolina debate, Romney said that he would sign the National Defense Authorization Act: very anti-Fourth-Amendment. He has also administered against the Second Amendment.

IMO, he's a tool in the ruination being administered by the political/regulator class. But the debt regime is continuing toward collapse, so maybe he is as irrelevant as Obama or any other master of ceremonies.

MC Romney. Has a corny ring to it. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


93 posted on 04/25/2012 4:15:59 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The Turkey growers often told me just how “dumb a turkey is, and the only thing dumber was a turkey grower!”
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

THey where not lying!


94 posted on 04/25/2012 4:33:09 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: Karliner
Have a look at this. IMO, good folks with common sense would be wise to stock up.


95 posted on 04/25/2012 4:40:54 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: AT7Saluki

And what is the easiest way to control a population boys and girls, guns you say? Oh no, the answer is FOOD.

Put the family farms out of buisness and all that is left is the multi- billion agri-buisness corporations wholly controlled by the federal government.

Dr. Savage said a few years ago on his show that you won’t see revolution in this country until men and their children are hungry. I hope he’s right cause the government control of food is coming, folks.


96 posted on 04/25/2012 4:46:14 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Gabz

From a family of berry pickers. Some for money, some for eating....Wonderful memories. My grandmother was the best. We picked strawberries, blackberries, blueberries...Told stories, laughed, ate till we were sick, and ate more.
Have my berry patches up and growing....along with an orchard of cherries, apples, pears, peaches, plums, grapes.....The goodies are always worth the labor.


97 posted on 04/25/2012 4:47:39 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: ridesthemiles
...WHO wrote this bill & introduced it into Congress in the first place????

Labor Secretary Hilda Solis:


98 posted on 04/25/2012 5:13:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Commie


99 posted on 04/25/2012 5:18:47 PM PDT by madison10 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. TJ)
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To: madison10

SHE SURE IS...she’s as commie as they come, see her KEYWIKI entry:

http://keywiki.org/index.php/Hilda_Solis


100 posted on 04/25/2012 5:21:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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