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Posted on 04/25/2012 11:34:36 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
SAN DIEGO (AP) - The Marine Corps said Wednesday it has decided to discharge a sergeant for criticizing President Barack Obama on Facebook.
The Corps said Sgt. Gary Stein will be given an other-than-honorable discharge for violating Pentagon policy limiting speech of service members.
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I have never suggested that a military officer make his own determination. That’s my whole point. The role of the military is to get legal clarification of the situation through the Constitutional processes.
They refused to do that. The military leadership refused to do that. So did the civilian leadership. None of the Constitutional processes have been used as required by both the Constitution and the oaths that were taken by both military and civilian leaders.
Obama has no legally-determined age. He clearly failed the 20th Amendment’s requirement to “act as President”. But the people who swore to defend and protect the US Constitution have refused to even follow the protocols prescribed by the Constitution - as I noted in my previous post referring to the Third Article’s use of the word “controversies”. This is a miscarriage of the 20th Amendment, the Third Article, and the due process and equal protections clauses of the 14th Amendment.
Now there is evidence that Obama engaged in election fraud AT THE VERY LEAST. That’s a federal felony. Furthermore, since the Selective Service apparently had to forge a draft registration form for him he must not have a genuine draft registration so it has been illegal for him to hold ANY public office for all these years.
IOW, we have judicial, criminal, and administrative indications that he cannot lawfully act as President. Staring us all in the face. I have merely suggested that due process be done. If it was, this guy would be in jail rather than in the White House. And every officer in the US has to know this already; there’s no excuse if they don’t. The Emperor is naked.
If the military knew that one of their civilian contractors was guilty of crimes and failed to meet the credentials to be given the contract, what would the military do?
And that’s not even going into the whole issue of Obama agreeing with Soros to destroy the US economy, or Obama’s ties to both communists and Islamists who have sworn to destroy America - or his promise to the Egyptian ambassador to work on the Muslim agenda once he got Obamacare passed. Don’t forget that the Muslim agenda is the destruction of the US and Israel (which makes him an enemy of the US) and the institution of worldwide sharia - including in the US (which makes him an enemy of the US Constitution).
If he was put out of office for not registering for the draft it would be a little bit like Al Capone being jailed for tax evasion. Obama has a LOT more crime he could be tried for on the eligibility issue alone - including fraud, perjury, obstruction of justice, extortion (though that was most probably done by somebody else on his behalf), libel, and treason. But if we had even the smallest bit of administrative integrity he’d be eliminated from acting as POTUS because of the missing draft registration, before any of the real meat of his crimes against America even had to be brought up.
I’m not suggesting anything radical. I’m just suggesting we have the bare minimum of the rule of law. Apparently that’s too much to ask. We can have a major stink over the national security implications of Secret Service and military guys bringing whores into their rooms but not one peep out of the whole country bringing a communist-Islamist whore into our White House. And those who say anything against that whore or why we are paying him to rape the country are vilified.
Maybe Stein is guilty of a sin of commission. But not nearly as guilty as everybody else is of the sin of OMISSION. One of the confessional prayers in my church is, “We have sinned against You in thought, word, and deed - by what we have done and by what we have left undone...”
The sins/crimes of omission far, far outweigh any sin/crime of commission that Stein committed. That’s what I’m saying.
Sure, Stein should shut up if he was told to. My understanding is that until he talked about Obama’s eligibility he was told he was fine. If that’s the case, then somebody needs to explain why it’s fine to criticize the CIC on other things but all of a sudden not OK when you point out what everybody already knows about him - which is critical to the lawfulness of all combat orders given in the military. IOW, why is it OK to b!tch about gossipy type things but forbidden to talk about the legal issues that really matter? Somebody needs to explain that to us all.
What was his officer’s oath?
Uh, PSST he was ENLISTED! You need to GET A CLUE on how the US Military works!
Obedience to the President and superior officers is conditional - they must be obeyed or disobeyed according to the regulations and the UCMJ. The UCMJ requires orders to be given by people lawfully authorized to give them. War powers are given to Congress, which delegated them to the CIC and the SecDef acting under the authority of the CIC.
The Constitution doesn’t allow the CIC to ACT as President if he has “failed to qualify”. It only allows the VP/VP-elect to do so in that case.
So even the oath of enlistment requires disobedience to Barack Obama if the Constitution only authorizes Joe Biden to act as President. And that is a question only made more valid over time, as we see documentation of Obama’s election fraud and the fact that he had to use two forgeries rather than a genuine HI BC for some reason. SCOTUS refuses to answer that question - basically holding the whole Constitutional process hostage. Holding every enlisted man and woman hostage.
Oh by the way do YOU have a DD-214?
If DD-214 is a draft registration I don’t have one because females are exempt. If it’s not, then you’ll have to explain what that is so I can answer you.
Fellow Vets and/or US Military Retirees IGNORE this person, she is CLUELESS on Military Matters.
Orly is that you?
I have never served in the US military. Nor have I ever claimed that I did.
We can tell.
No the military's job is to fight. It isn't intended to be a political organ.
My understanding is that until he talked about Obamas eligibility he was told he was fine.
As a self-identified military guy he wasn't fine. Using a gov't computer wasn't fine. Continuing after being counseled wasn't fine despite the sea lawyer's advice.
I have merely suggested that due process be done. If it was, this guy would be in jail rather than in the White House.
But it wasn't, I wish it had been, I wish I was taller. What is your remedy?
I have never suggested that a military officer make his own determination.
Of course you have, those military guys that went to court and got smushed did just that, to no effect. It isn't an approach that can work.
we have judicial, criminal, and administrative indications that he cannot lawfully act as President
And yet no proof that can meet the bar set for such determinations.
I looked at your profile and see that you share a belief that the War on Terror is a critical issue, and that you despise both political parties. I bet we agree on a lot more things than we disagree on.
How do you feel about the CIC telling the Muslim world to be patient with him while he gets Obamacare passed and then he will go to work on the Muslim agenda? (The agenda all sects of Islam agree on is the destruction of the US and Israel and the institution of worldwide sharia)
How do you feel about George Soros meeting with both Hillary and Obama and only Obama agreeing with Soros’ plan to destroy the US economy?
How do you feel about the US border being left wide open to
Hezbollah(flown in on direct flights from Iran to Venezuela) and their allies:
1) the Mexican drug cartels (which have patterned their strategy on the Daniel Perle beheading and are allied with Hezbollah to smuggle them into the US - and which are being armed by the US government with untrackable guns),
2) the Muslim Brotherhood (which are the foundational organization for CAIR, who has lots of influence and position in the Obama Administration), and
3) the New Black Panthers (which are allied to both Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood, are fomenting racial hatred and violence in cities in response to Trayvon, are covered legally by Eric Holder who refuses to prosecute them for crimes, and subscribe to the same Sub-Saharan Supremacy that Obama and Bill Ayers forced inner-city Chicago teachers to be trained in through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge)?
We can disagree on methods to fix this mess. To be honest, I’m not sure there is any way for this mess to be fixed at this point. The systems are all hostage. I was just discussing with somebody on another thread the opportunity for vote fraud; he was entering data for the NY primary on Tuesday and said there are no checks and no way to audit that what is entered is in any way related to what the voters actually chose on their ballots.
So how do you propose we fix this mess?
The proof is available. What isn’t available is a system that will allow the proof to even matter.
We’ve already got two judges in ballot challenges who have given basically “judge’s knowledge” as the basis for ruling that Obama is eligible to be on state ballots, ruling for Obama even though absolutely no evidence was ever presented for his age, residency, current US citizenship, place of birth, or parentage - all of which are necessary to establish Presidential eligibility.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t like these sharia rulings. They spit on due process.
The military’s job is to fight when properly authorized. No?
My remedy is what I’m working on: law enforcement and informing the public. Both are taken hostage to a certain point.
The only real law enforcement being done in this country at this point is at the state and local levels, which means that only state and local crimes can be tried. To get the feds involved while Eric Holder is the fox guarding the henhouse, Congress would have to authorize an independent investigation. Their souls are dead; they will never do that.
At this point the public is too busy making ends meet to listen to anything beyond the 1-minute-on-the-hour “news” from the hostage media - and I mean that literally; Mike Zullo and Doug Hagman have both spoken to the witnesses and Hagman has other material evidence corroborating their claims that on-air personalities were threatened if they reported on Obama’s eligibility, and now there is evidence also that Glenn Beck left Fox because he was doing too much to expose Obama/Soros’ lawless connections to both communists and Islamists - which didn’t go over well with one of the Fox Bd of Directors members who has a financial stake with Soros - so Fox wouldn’t protect Beck’s lower staffers from the death threats being constantly made.
And at this point even if people were informed well enough to vote against Obama, what matters is who counts the votes, and as I just mentioned to somebody else, the electronic voting systems are not being audited; there is nothing to stop widespread election fraud.
I also believe, as I mentioned before, that the US is vulnerable to attacks that would signal US’s Arab Spring to begin with Hezbollah operatives taking over all state capitols and DC - and that if any of the polling suggested that Obama wouldn’t win an election, they would use any of those 3 events (or possibly others, that I’m not going to talk about) to trigger the final communist-Islamist coup. Our troops are being shot at in Afghanistan; they’re not here.
So basically the solution it will probably come down to is the guns that people like you and me have, and our willingness to use them against Hezbollah operatives. Fear of those guns may be what has kept Obama/Soros from initiating the final coup already.
So Constitutional answers? I don’t think the Constitution provides for the situation we’re in, except through the 2nd Amendment. Which is what the Trayvon Martin case is working to undo.
What’s your solution?
Policy not too long ago was that if wou weren’t selected for Staff after eight years you were RIFd, regardless of MOS. Stein is an IT puke with plenty of time on his hands to take MCI courses out the wazoo to pad his cutting score. I’ll bet that a look at his fitreps would tell quite a story. He’s a s***bird plain and simple.