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Who has your vote now? Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, Neither?
04/25/12

Posted on 04/25/2012 1:34:31 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway

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To: Ditter

Ditter, your manners need refreshing. I will be voting on Election Day, Lord willing. Why do FReepers such as yourself tell me I’ll be staying home? How are you so prescient? And do you think your illogical argument will somehow persuade me and other Conservatives? Really?


101 posted on 04/25/2012 3:45:14 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I don't WANT to vote for Romney, I don't like Romney for all the same reasons you don't like him but I am scared sh*tless of an obama 2 nd term.
102 posted on 04/25/2012 3:47:02 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: jwalsh07

i agree......been there done that.......anyone but obama.

Voted for Rick in the FL primary.

I will vote............


103 posted on 04/25/2012 3:53:28 PM PDT by tankrlm
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To: aruanan

“You may reject an argument, but you’re not doing it on the basis of logic. If the number of people who would otherwise have voted for the GOP candidate but who choose not to vote for Romney is greater than the margin by which Obama should be reelected, then those people are responsible for Obama’s reelection. If the fraction of that number who are conservatives is greater than the margin by which Obama should win reelection, then the conservatives who did not vote against Obama by voting for Romney would, indeed, be responsible for Obama’s reelection.”

You have well stated the argument that Romney operatives have been pushing and will continue to push until...

But it is an argument that slyly inserts an ownership of guilt on ONLY CONSERVATIVES who do not vote the Republican Presidential candidate. Not logical, and not accepted because...

I NEVER EVER EVER WOULD OR WILL VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY OF MY OWN FREE WILL. The fact I am a Conservative in politics is another matter altogether.

Argument rejected on the basis of...Non-Persuasive; Too Slick to Suit Me.


104 posted on 04/25/2012 3:54:11 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Ditter

You don’t WANT to, but yet you are, and attacking others for not voting for Zero in whiteface. Don’t you comprehend that they are BOTH 100% unacceptable ? Socialist RINOs inflict twice the damage open Democrats do. Zero couldn’t have even attempted to implement Socialist healthcare without Willard leading the charge ! It is unimaginable to vote for the Trojan Horse Willard.


105 posted on 04/25/2012 3:57:18 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Just remember however you vote in NOV, vote so you “Don’t wake up in a roadside ditch”


106 posted on 04/25/2012 4:04:01 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Obama reelection means the end of America.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Ha! Tried voting for Romney, and got an error! Stacked poll, big time!


108 posted on 04/25/2012 4:07:14 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Newt got my vote yesterday. Failing a brokered conventionnI was going to write in Sarah, but since he’s on the ballot it will be Virgil Goode.


109 posted on 04/25/2012 4:08:39 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Drew68

Nope. Error in your thinking and math.. One man, one vote. But will not vote Romney or Obama. No vote for Obama from me. Not even a half-vote because I’m giving it to someone other than Obama. You can figure anyway you like. Not voting Romney or Obama.

Lots of amateur mathematician-philosophers out lately on FR.


110 posted on 04/25/2012 4:12:11 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You accuse me of attacking you? How ridiculous!
111 posted on 04/25/2012 4:16:48 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Resettozero
Lots of amateur mathematician-philosophers out lately on FR.

And lots more in denial.

112 posted on 04/25/2012 4:17:04 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Meaning what?


113 posted on 04/25/2012 4:18:20 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

No doubt the 20% are T.E.A Party Conservatives and the Paulbots.


114 posted on 04/25/2012 4:23:54 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: ZULU
Several here want to see an Obama second term assuring that he'll be King of the Muslim Brotherhood in Washington, and thus Americans will be under the Sharia Rule of Law.


115 posted on 04/25/2012 4:35:09 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Neither. No frickin’ way am I voting for Romney!


116 posted on 04/25/2012 4:35:40 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Colofornian; Ditter

Her healthcare plan was probably to the right of Romneycare. I don’t recall tyrannical government mandates.


117 posted on 04/25/2012 4:40:58 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Cobra64

This kind of thinking put Obama in the White House in the FIRST place. I hated McCain but voted for the idiot. He would have done far less damage than this guy.

# 1 - Romney, despite all his faults, is NOT anti-American.

# 2 - Romney With all his faults, will be far more subject to GOP conservative pressure than Obama.

If I vote for anybody but Romney, I’m casting a vote for Obama. I won’t do that to my country.

Four years of a Muslim, Marxist, anti-western, Anti-American racist swine polluting the White is more than enough.

Obama MUST be voted out of office.


118 posted on 04/25/2012 4:43:33 PM PDT by ZULU (Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam.)
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To: ZULU

“This kind of thinking put Obama in the White House in the FIRST place.”

No it didn’t. No one here voted for Obama. Flawed reasoning.


119 posted on 04/25/2012 4:47:17 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: ZULU; Cobra64

# 1 - Romney, despite all his faults, is NOT anti-American.

# 2 - Romney With all his faults, will be far more subject to GOP conservative pressure than Obama.


# 1 - Not anti-American doesn’t mean anything. What kind of America does Romney want? He obviously doesn’t want a constitutionally governed America.

# 2 - HA HA HA HA - you really believe that? Where is the GOP conservative pressure going to come from? Where are the establishment/DC GOP conservatives to be found? He’s not listening to them or the conservative public now, why should he if he gets elected? He’ll be even less conservative than he is now, which means he’ll be exactly like 0bomba.


120 posted on 04/25/2012 4:48:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: ZULU; Cobra64

I guess the bright side is Romney probably won’t bow to the Kind of Saudi Arabia.


121 posted on 04/25/2012 4:49:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: little jeremiah

I’ve heard Newt promise that, but not Romney. Can you be so sure?


122 posted on 04/25/2012 4:50:42 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Ditter
When you DON”T vote for Romney....... you are voting FOR sharia law.

Yup. People don't see what's happening with the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR and Sharia law throughout the middle east.


123 posted on 04/25/2012 4:51:08 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64

Silly argument. Not true. We see it here at FR. This is FR. Ride your own guilt-trip wherever else you wish. Just.Not.Here.


124 posted on 04/25/2012 4:54:19 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Cobra64

Silly argument. Not true. We see it here at FR. This is FR. Ride your own guilt-trip wherever else you wish. Just.Not.Here.


125 posted on 04/25/2012 4:54:35 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

You are right. He might bow.

If he is the R candidate, he will lose.


126 posted on 04/25/2012 4:57:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Resettozero

Huh?


127 posted on 04/25/2012 5:03:09 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64

Crap. I got my posters mixed up. Sorry. Done for the day. Need food and sleep.


128 posted on 04/25/2012 5:04:24 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

What poll? I don’t see any poll other than something about is this singer the most beautiful woman in the world.


129 posted on 04/25/2012 5:22:29 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: aruanan

The thumbsuckers will never take responsibility for anything. You remember them as kids, the kid who took the ball and ran into his house when he lost. The normal kid sucked up and tried again in the next game. Those of us who are voting to throw Obama out of the White House don’t think like this. We want move our country forward, not just have a temper tantrum to punish the rest of us. I hope that the thumbsuckers are such an insignificant minority that they will have no influence. I think they fantasize about the influence they really have. They may be the true .1%ers


130 posted on 04/25/2012 5:24:25 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Responsibility2nd

No sitting out here...will vote for the lesser of the two evils just to offset someone on the other side (the worse of the two evils)

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Ahhh. So you’ve voting for Obama. Good call.

Why jerk around with the future of America? Vote Obama and get it over with sooner.
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Hardly...I am all about Change this time...as in change who is in the oval office


131 posted on 04/25/2012 5:28:34 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Neither.


132 posted on 04/25/2012 6:16:04 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Maceman; All
I don’t believe that it [Romney's] mission in life to destroy the United States.

I appreciate that you and every other Romney conservative on Free Republic (and just about everywhere else) are so reluctant. That's good.

You believe absolutely that Obama has made it his personal mission to destroy the U.S. Fine. How is Obama going about the destruction? Here's how:

1. Trying to take over virtually every personal freedom AND the markets that serve them, via nationalized health care. As most people realize, the reach certainly would go far beyond doctor visits and invade every corner of American life. Every transaction, monitored and approved by the government.

2. The same forceful control of all natural resources and AND the markets that serve them, via the ecotyranny of the global warming cap-and-trade hoax. UNDERSTAND that "responsible" liberals' only ultimate solution to this pretend-problem is global, such pretense to allow a very steel-toed boot in the door backed by other nations in the authority to squelch American energy production and market prosperity.

3. Activist liberal judicial picks, who distort and contort laws to increase government authority over every behavior.

4. Supporting and cheerleading for the homosexual agenda, which is not about bestowing rights, but deying them. The agenda increasingly has the government prohibiting Americans from peacefully turning away from all things openly homosexual. The introduction of a third emotional sexual dynamic into children's lives begins at age 12 with Gay Youth Pride. (nothing like confusing kids at a vulnerable age! *rolls eyes*) If you wanted to weaken the enemy's large and powerful military, you would cheer when you saw it increasingly "soldiered" by all-sex youths, young women, young men, young lesbians, young gay lovers. Great dynamics for an efficient fighting force, from the enemy's standpoint. Having such a nursery school faced by your own military manned by a focused all-male warrior force. where "drama" is respected as bullshit that gets you killed -- as an anemy, you gotta love the whole overturning of Don't Ask Don't Tell.

5. Most insidious and evil, abortion on demand funded by American taxpayers in a world where a 15-year-old girls might go to a judge to have her parents' refusal of consent overturned, while in other places, a whole culture of promiscuity, sloth, and abandon is made to thrive. All at the coldhearted sacrifice of millions of souls killed in the womb. It is barbaric and destructive on a thousand different levels.

I'm familiar with Obama. He's evil and destructive. Five of his most powerful objectives, listed above, are how he's doing it. I'm familiar with Mitt Romney's documented record, and know that it is philosophically and fundamentally in full accord with Obama's on the same issues.

Voting for Romney is as nuts as voting for Obama.

If it's O v R, I'm voting because it's my duty to vote. I'm voting third party so that I can do what little I can to make sure that whichever damned statist freedom-killing tyrant (there's a major risk that Romney would turn into a velvet-gloved tyrant, especially with an emasculated Republican Party where conservatives "lost") -- it is my DUTY to vote so that whicher tyrant, Obama or Romney, gets in, has the most miserable vote count IN THE END, regardless of the fact that my state, California, will probably go blue in the Presidential. TOTAL VOTE COUNT MATTERS, and if the winner enters office with the hard numbers being that THE MAJORITY VOTED AGAINST HIM, he will have a harder time of advancing his agenda whether he is Romney or whether he is Obama.

Voting for Romney is like voting to drink salt water when you're parched and adrift at sea.

I see my vote, cast for the sole purpose of creating as slim and weak a plurality possible to put the victor on as weak a political footing as possible, as voting to wait patiently and prepare and pray for the next rainstorm, and tough it out.

133 posted on 04/25/2012 6:28:47 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: ejonesie22
Stop talking sense, Jonesie. Don't you know that Obama is an All Powerful Oz whom we can't survive at any price? That making a deal with devil to avoid Obama this once wouldn't be the losing proposition it is by definition?

Get real! ;^)

134 posted on 04/25/2012 6:46:33 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Irish Eyes
Actions DO have consequences.

Yes. And the likely consequences of Romney are as chilling -- the argument is strong that they are even more chilling -- than the likely consequences of Obama facing an America where the clear majority voted against him. A nice sweet old lady liberal confessed to me this morning that she voted for Obama ... and man, what a mistake it was! People like her are legion, and if they vote against Obama (many will, especially when the Republican is fundamentally the same but "safer") and Obama wins by a plurality in the mid to upper 30 percents, he's going to have been dealt a devastating blow, and conservative's fight to preserve the Republican party as the sole vehicle for combatting liberalism and statism, will be an important battle won in a long war ahead.

135 posted on 04/25/2012 6:53:58 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
What an excellent post. For example:

Same train, same destination as nobama. The work economic train wreck will continue and undoubtedly blow up on Mitten’s watch. At which time the “revolutionaries”, kids, idiots, anarchists will take to the streets and force the Mittens to be the bad guy and break up the mobs.

Same destination as nobama, just arriving a few weeks/months later.

And the mess will be blamed - forever - on the free market, capitalism, the 2nd Amendment, the 1st Amendment, the Bible, etc. Because the left will paint him as evil - exactly the same way that things unfolded under Bush. Except 10 times worse.

If nobama is reelected, CONGRESSMEN’S PHONES WILL BE RINGING OFF THE HOOK FOR 4 YEARS WITH CONSERVATIVES SCREAMING AT THEM.

Very solid thinking and very well put.

136 posted on 04/25/2012 7:00:25 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs; EternalVigilance; xzins
Best option available? That would be our own Tom Hoefling who posts here as Eternal Vigilance. If Romney actually wants actual conservative votes, let's see how powerfully he can grovel in atonement for his entire life and for his despicable but oh so well-funded campaign of lies and smears against every decent candidate running in this cycle.

Any POS so long as he is a "Republican" POS is not a war I feel like driving to. I voted for McCain and every GOP POTUS candidate, for good or for ill since Nixon in 1968. That is done now. The GOP-E and Romney can thank themselves and their execrable campaign tactics for this year's rookie defectors like me. So long, Muffy and Skipper. Try to elect your unprincipled bastard candidate without conservative votes! May your trust funds go straight to hell.

137 posted on 04/25/2012 7:09:41 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: Tucker39
I pray that it’s all bluff and bluster and that they’ll cowboy-up ...

I delicately suggest that what you're proposing to do voting for a guy 100% down-the-line on five major issues in philosophical and fundamental agreement with Obama, is a form of Brokeback Mountain "cowboying-up."

Some real cowboys are going to fight liberalism by voting it down at every opportunity. Speaking for myself, if doing that means going third-party in the General -- well, that's a horse a lot easier to saddle than endorsing the Republican party's full surrender to liberalism. Are you sure you know what a ride on that horse will do?

138 posted on 04/25/2012 7:10:44 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

A Muslim versus a Mormon? No options there.


139 posted on 04/25/2012 7:13:02 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: BlackElk

Our best option is now conservative Virgil Goode who is running on the Constitution Party ticket. They are a recognized party, he has experience with our government, and there are a number of states already having the CP on its ballot with others surely to acquiesce prior to the election.


140 posted on 04/25/2012 7:15:44 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: Colofornian; All
After all, we keep getting lectured by FREEPERs, they'll vote for ANYBODY over Obama...so that would include Hillary, right?

Folks declare, why, they'd vote for an orange juice can before they'd vote for Obama, by Jupiter!!!

Yeah, and voting for Romney would be as stupid as voting for an orange juice can.

I wish more Republicans would THINK IT THROUGH.

141 posted on 04/25/2012 7:15:49 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
I firmly believe voting for Romney is voting for the destruction of our nation. Imagine I have handed you two glasses with water. I tell you one is 50% filled with Roundup and the other is 40% filled with Roundup. Are you going to drink from either of the two glasses, just because they have been handed to you?

Amen, Brother FReeper.

142 posted on 04/25/2012 7:17:50 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Ditter
...if enough people don't see obama as the enemy to be defeated then he will destroy us. That is reality.

Wrong. That is panic and fear.

143 posted on 04/25/2012 7:20:53 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

****Being a yahoo poll I would have thought Obama would be further ahead.***

Nope, Federal Bloc appoints Mandate-Mitt over the Undocumented Coffee Server.


144 posted on 04/25/2012 7:21:48 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: gusty
...not just have a temper tantrum to punish the rest of us.

*sigh*

Speaking as a 100 percent Romney and Obama rejector, that you perceive that as my motive is both mistaken and insulting. It also reveals that you perceive yourself as better and more "mature" than those of us who are trying to warn you what a mistake it is to back Romney. You think it's about ego; I know it's about how best to use your precious vote.

Hmmmmmmmmm ... "temper tantrum" .... elections ... hmmmm ... Peter Jennings, wasn't it him, who declared that voters had a "temper tantrum" when Republicans took over Clinton's first congress?

145 posted on 04/25/2012 7:31:00 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

How could any good American who loves God and country not vote against Obama? I don’t care who the other candidate is....anyone short of Satan himself would get my vote over Obama. We have to get him out. Then we can worry about fighting for our conservatism.


146 posted on 04/25/2012 7:33:31 PM PDT by ladymac
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To: JustSayNoToNannies; An American!; Tucker39
"Neither" is not the same as sitting out.

Wasting your vote on a third party candidate is worth a half vote for Obama. If you follow through with your "Neither" stand, Barack Obama will be very grateful for your principled stand against his Republican opponent. You can truly make a difference!

147 posted on 04/25/2012 8:15:30 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

Nice try, but we don’t vote for liberals at my house.


148 posted on 04/25/2012 9:07:06 PM PDT by Southnsoul
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To: Cobra64
Scare tactics are not a logical argument. I believe the argument is what is known in philosophy as a false-dicothomy. There is always a third choice. We aren't sheep that simply get two options, you have to live life in accordance with your conscience and principals.

For an elaboration of option three please consult the nearest Declaration of Independence and 2nd amendment. A copy of Henry David Thoreau "Civil Disobedience" might also be a good suggestion if dying isn't your thing.

149 posted on 04/25/2012 9:10:57 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Fight because its right, not because the odds are on your side.)
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To: Cobra64; Finny; All
Michael Berry is a conservative talk show host in Houston and a few other cities, he just had the most chilling piece of radio I have ever heard. He explained how the Romans were able to take over people and showed exactly how obama is doing the same thing. You might be able to find MB’s program at Michael Berry.com.

Yesterday he ranted about how much he disliked Romney and offered up all his bad points. Then he said he would do everything is his power to elect Romney because obama is 1000X worse.

150 posted on 04/26/2012 8:29:59 AM PDT by Ditter
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