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I'm childless at 42 and haunted by the baby I aborted at 18
dailymail.co.uk ^ | April 25, 2012 | KATE SPICER

Posted on 04/25/2012 9:37:08 PM PDT by grundle

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To: The_Media_never_lie

Normal to be critical about people that murder their kids and afterwards complain about their childless life, still only thinking about how it impacts them.


51 posted on 04/26/2012 12:20:23 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Yes but those that chose that, wanted that. It appealed to them. So many others didn’t do that and that was their choice. Each are responsible for their own choices. Lots of people only listen to what they want to hear.


52 posted on 04/26/2012 12:23:47 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
It's true — people listen to what they want to hear. However, (IMHO) the pro-aborts were worse than the tobacco industry ever was. People knew tobacco was bad for them; and they made their choices — but, that wasn't enough to protect the tobacco industry from massive lawsuits. I'd like to see Planned Parenthood, NOW, etc. face the same sort of litigation. It won't happen, but it would be good if it did.

Even many women, who never got an abortion, were victimized by the feminazis and their lies. They may have wanted children; but they were told that there was no reason to hurry — it was more important to establish the career first. It was all lies. It was only after a huge spike in fertility problems (and birth defects) that most women came to realize they were lied to. Biology trumped ideology.

53 posted on 04/26/2012 12:37:02 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: grundle
The ‘child’ I aborted is a ghost helping me to deal with the blunt truth of my situation.

If you were dealing with the blunt truth of the situation, 'child' would not be in quotes. And you would not refer to him as a ghost. He's not a ghost, he's a dead human being, something entirely separate from your ever-so-rich fantasy life. And you would not have this asinine notion that he wants to help you. Even if it were possible, why on earth would he want to help his killer?

I have a female friend who has calculated the day that her aborted daughter would have been born, and every year on that day she performs a little ceremony to remember her. In most ways this woman is a far-left liberal, but on abortion, where one would expect strident pro-abortion rhetoric, she is very quiet. If pressed she will say that she knows she made a horrible mistake, and she fully understands that the mistake affected someone else's life a hell of a lot more than it affected hers. That's more like what I would call dealing with the blunt truth of the situation.

54 posted on 04/26/2012 1:35:39 AM PDT by TChad
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“At the same time, she’s overwhelmed with the inward fear that at some point there is going to be retribution for what she’s done.”

She probably sees the retribution already in the fact that she can’t speak the native language of half the people she meets on a daily basis; God will not be mocked, and the meek are inheriting the Earth.


55 posted on 04/26/2012 2:04:07 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: georgia peach

“BTW,it is my understanding that fertility in women begins to decline at 27 not 35.Another well kept “feminist” secret.”

You’re right; women who wait until their mid-30s find that one out the hard way.


56 posted on 04/26/2012 2:05:10 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Politicalmom

Right freaking on !! Excellent analysis.

sheesh.


57 posted on 04/26/2012 2:17:04 AM PDT by onona (RIP Levon, another good man gone.)
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To: volunbeer
I am always dumbstruck that most threads that discuss abortion on this forum fail to mention the responsibility of the other half of the equation.

If a woman in this country decides to abort her child, can the father of that child legally stop her? The answer, as far as I know across the 50 states, is "no", not even if he is her husband. Nor can the father make her abort the child if she decides to keep it. With respect to this particular choice, there is NO other half of the equation.

The only legal choice a man has is not to have sex. But then again, the woman has that choice, too.
58 posted on 04/26/2012 2:18:05 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: grundle

I was working with a man who was having severe anxiety and medical problems when all of a sudden, his wife (who is catholic) was out of her chair and laying on the floor, breathing and going through the physical motions as though she was having a baby. I went with the flow and talked her through the process. Afterward, she explained that she just released all the pain, suffering and guilt from her abortion she had when she was young. She suddenly felt free again. Totally impromptu.

I work with a lot of women who are 50+ and who have never told anyone about their abortions when they were younger. Recently, a woman I worked with disclosed that she grew up very close to her loving parents. While in high school, she had an abortion but could never tell them. The guilt she carried caused her to feel uncomfortable around them and caused her to distance from them. Later, while in college she had another abortion, and shortly thereafter her father died.

Knowing that her father would not have wanted her to get an abortion, she carried the guilt for over twenty years after his death of destroying her relationship with her loving father. Yes, and the guilt of the harm to the child. These events destroy many women’s lives.

I’ve worked with many, many women who have had abortions. I do not judge them, but assist them in receiving forgiveness and removing the umbrella or shield they have been using to block God’s unconditional love. It doesn’t matter how old they are, if they have not healed the wound, they are still in pain.

Often, the soul of the aborted child is still hanging onto them. They sense it, but don’t know what to do to help it move along. This exacerbates the pain and suffering. When I remove it and help it go where it belongs, it sets them free.


59 posted on 04/26/2012 3:35:07 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: RobbyS

“This is real pain she is suffering. Cut her some slack. Without knowing it, she is worried about her soul.”

Thank you for understanding. We are to offer people love, understanding and to help them heal, not rub salt in their wounds. For as we sow, we too shall reap from our own seeds planted.

Always remember, Jesus was a forgiving man, to anyone who truly sought repentance. Life is about finding and removing the obstacles to Love that exist within us.


60 posted on 04/26/2012 3:41:14 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: The_Media_never_lie

“Wow, there is a lot of hate on this thread.”

I agree.

What ever happened to Jesus’ teachings on Love being the most important commandment. To all those who proclaim to be Christians and spew hatred toward others, I remind them of this verse: (Yes, I too fall into the trap of hatred and need to reread this to pull myself out of the hole)

1John 4

God Is Love

20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.


61 posted on 04/26/2012 3:51:33 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: grundle

Me thinks she should see movie “October Baby”


62 posted on 04/26/2012 3:52:59 AM PDT by LittleMoe
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To: grundle

Ping


63 posted on 04/26/2012 3:54:40 AM PDT by broken_arrow1
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To: tcrlaf

Excellent post:

“This is real pain she is suffering. Cut her some slack. Without knowing it, she is worried about her soul.”

“Like or not, this is the same come-to-Jesus moment many people have had about abortion. Been there myself, unfortunately.

You have one opinion about it when you are 22 and scared.
You have another when you are 45, and wondering what kind of an adult that child would have grown in to.

In the end, this is what the liberal doctrine brings you. Misery and regret. But when you are young, you are only thinking about the NOW, not the future.”

But remember the parable of the vineyard workers. It doesn’t matter when you arrive, even at age 45 or later, the reward is still the same.


64 posted on 04/26/2012 3:55:54 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: grundle

Hopefully this article is a step on a journey to repentance - she still has a long way to go!

Mel


65 posted on 04/26/2012 3:56:09 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“Normal to be critical about people that murder their kids and afterwards complain about their childless life, still only thinking about how it impacts them.”

Every event of discomfort in another is an opportunity for us to point them in the direction of finding everlasting peace.

Eventually, if their pain becomes strong enough, the guard rails of life they keep running into will guide them on the right path.


66 posted on 04/26/2012 4:01:22 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

I know it is a hard lesson for all of us. And it is the basis for the discussions in Galatians 5. But, in judging others, we are also judging ourselves. Remember what Jesus had to say about this.

John 3:17
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

John 12:47
If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?


67 posted on 04/26/2012 4:09:29 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Amberdawn

I worked in a home for the aged. Out of the 282 residents, about a handful had regular visits from their families.


68 posted on 04/26/2012 4:31:15 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Secret Agent Man; tired&retired; TigersEye
Normal to be critical about people that murder their kids and afterwards complain about their childless life, still only thinking about how it impacts them.

Yes, normal to be critical. But this woman gets only one life to live, and she has squandered it. Maybe she doesn't realize it yet, but her time has run out. I think it is a really sad situation.

Yes, she has murdered her own batch of cells, and yes, she is self centered and has a vast, deluded social system to make her feel just fine about what she has done, but reality will get only more painful as she ages.

To rub salt in the wounds seem to be sport for those who have made no serious mistakes in their lives.

69 posted on 04/26/2012 4:40:41 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: volunbeer

[I am always dumbstruck that most threads that discuss abortion on this forum fail to mention the responsibility of the other half of the equation. The indoctrination by the left has been terribly effective and it goes far beyond the issue of abortion.]

That’s the basis of feminism...men aren’t needed and the the left has made sure that the impregnators have no legal right in the decision making process. There was a Sexual Revolution where women and children lost badly.


70 posted on 04/26/2012 4:41:55 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: RobbyS

Some souls are simply lost and they know it.


71 posted on 04/26/2012 4:42:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: grundle

Am I supposed to feel badly for this murderer? She is still “all about poor me” and wants sympathy for not being able to have what she wants.


72 posted on 04/26/2012 4:44:43 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: tired&retired

Some imagine “Tough Love” to be “Hate” but they are wrong.


73 posted on 04/26/2012 4:45:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: grundle

I found this woman to be a monster...she calls her baby a “bundle of cells” denying this young human life and then acting like she has maternal instincts?

Her so called maternal instincts were to kill her baby and then feel like it was a rite to passage as a woman...that is by definition a monster in my book.


74 posted on 04/26/2012 4:54:44 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Right Brother

I’m hoping that “bundle of cells” is a just a snide, cynical reference to feminism’s view on pregnancy. You can read it two ways.


75 posted on 04/26/2012 4:55:32 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: grundle

The silver lining may be that some young women read this and decide not to kill their own babies.


76 posted on 04/26/2012 4:57:45 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: grundle
Today, I feel more emotional, guilty almost, about that bundle of cells I got rid of.

should I have let the foetus become a child?

Says it all.

77 posted on 04/26/2012 5:00:24 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: grundle

Sadly, this is a story that I hear over & over from women my age (40s) who aborted when they were in college, etc.

The psychological and emotional effects of this action are being seen right now, in this age.

When you are young, you don’t know of think about these effects.

I know women who cry every day over their decision(s) 25+ years ago.......


78 posted on 04/26/2012 5:28:36 AM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD
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To: Secret Agent Man

She would be a mess to date.


79 posted on 04/26/2012 5:36:03 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

“I know women who cry every day over their decision(s) 25+ years ago......”

Same here. But they need to know that the burden can be lifted. Guide them to forgiveness. And always remember the important words Jesus said after He did His healing work..”Go and sin no more!”

You can’t imagine how the sparkle of the soul returns to their eyes as their soul becomes unshackled.

People forget the most important person they must forgive while saying the Lord’s Prayer. “Father, forgive us our sins as we forgive those who have sinned against us.” Don’t forget to forgive yourself and allow your soul to be vulnerable, a necessary step to becoming aware of God’s Love penetrating our soul.

People have no idea how self judgement shackles our souls. Recently, I was working with an elderly woman who was dying of throat cancer. I never met her personally, but was talking with her through her minister husband of over fifty years, while both were on the telephone. Although she could not talk and could only communicate with me by writing notes to her husband, I asked her husband to lay the phone down and not listen so I could communicate only with her. For some reason unknown to me, I can read people’s souls. I told her that her throat cancer was anchored in a memory in her soul of an event that happened when she was 17 yrs old and she never told anyone. She immediately started crying and wrote a note to her husband that she was molested by her piano teacher when she was 17 and never told anyone. Those trapped words and the self judgement attached to them, yes even as a victim, were creating a wound in her soul where Love could not exist. Merely allowing her self guilt to be released, set her free. Yes, she did die shortly thereafter, but had found a peace she had been searching for all her life.


80 posted on 04/26/2012 5:50:04 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: grundle; All
When winds of conscience waft about thy head,
And brooks of rue do babble in thy brain,
Seek not thy quietude in lonely bed,
Nor utter careful words to stay thy pain.
For though words, chosen well, may ease the smart,
And turn the wretched, hateful wrong to right,
Alas! In sooth, they cannot touch the heart,
Nor kill Remorse, which flies upon the night,
With Satan, the Accuser, who will steal
Betimes to whisper softly in thine ears,
Of dark deeds done: of rack, of cord, of wheel,
And play upon the pipes of hidden fears.

Thus torn asunder, none shall see thy strife,
Thy spotted hand; thy bloody, dripping knife.


81 posted on 04/26/2012 5:53:21 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: muawiyah

“Some souls are simply lost and they know it.”

However, if we cannot be a light in their darkness, we are in the same boat they are.


82 posted on 04/26/2012 5:55:19 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

The worst of that lot probably consider your efforts to be harassment.


83 posted on 04/26/2012 5:57:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm grateful that when I am old(er) and (more)decrepit, I'll have 2 daughters to care for me in my waning days.

My daughter tells me "You better be good to me, or no cute nurses for you!"

84 posted on 04/26/2012 5:58:23 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: tired&retired

Every soul created by God has the same seed of Light as it’s center. Some hide it under a basket, some hide it under many layers of stone. If you could see the center of their souls, you would know that there is goodness under all that darkness. If you provide more darkness through judgement, you are not helping them. (When Jesus said you must be like child to know thy Father, He was speaking of the purity of a child’s soul that shines through their eyes.) Even as adults, we can remove the many layers to be pure and to shine as a child. That’s the reason for the halo portrayed by the artists. It’s the Light of the soul shining through.

It is only by using the Light shining within yourself that you can help others raise their dark coverings and realize the joy of their own Light within. This is true even for souls that have passed on and no longer have a physical body.


85 posted on 04/26/2012 6:07:15 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: muawiyah

“The worst of that lot probably consider your efforts to be harassment.”

Yes! A prayerful blessing to an evil person is like placing hot coals upon their heads.

If we allow anger to enter us, and lower ourselves to their level, they have won! Light always wins over darkness.

If there is a closed box on the table in a well lit room, when we open the box it fills with light! The room does not fill with the darkness which was within the box.


86 posted on 04/26/2012 6:11:49 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

People forget the most important person they must forgive while saying the Lord’s Prayer. “Father, forgive us our sins as we forgive those who have sinned against us.” Don’t forget to forgive yourself and allow your soul to be vulnerable, a necessary step to becoming aware of God’s Love penetrating our soul.


This is so true. You have to surrender to your faith in the forgiveness of God and that means forgiving yourself for commiting the sin, too. That surrender of your harsh judgement and fear of yourself shows you trust in the mercy and power of Jesus to wash your sins away.

Satan is called the accuser. He shouts that your sin is unforgivable in an effort to block you from a relationship with Christ and His healing and release from sin.

For most Christians it is a struggle until you understand that the dark spiritual attack is coming once you have repented and been forgiven your sin. When the accuser shouts your unforgivable sin and guilt, you have to tell it that you belong to Jesus and He forgave the sin and it must leave you in His name. The darkness really does flee in His name. You have to address the accuser every time it takes a hit on and lays claim to your soul. It does not own a Christian’s soul and can not condemn it in Jesus. Your soul belongs to Jesus and He’s the boss over Satan. We are in a struggle and it’s not a free ride. The more you struggle, the better you get at recognizing and vanquishing darkness.


87 posted on 04/26/2012 6:19:27 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: PapaBear3625

Your statement “My daughter tells me “You better be good to me, or no cute nurses for you!” makes me laugh.

When I took my 89 year old father who was in severe pain from his cancer to the hospital where we all expected he would pass on soon; As he went out the door leaving the house for what we expected was the last time, he turned to his wife of over 55 years and stated, “Mom, I may not return home as you know that the nurses at the hospital are really cute!”

He did return home as it was not his time. He had told me one year before he died, exactly the day when he would pass. He died Easter Sunday morning at 10:00 am, just when the service was beginning.


88 posted on 04/26/2012 6:22:22 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: rawhide
If I might reply, the woman can rest assured the baby she killed is in heaven. Maybe one day she will come to Jesus and then they can meet there.

Well said.

89 posted on 04/26/2012 6:26:23 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: SaraJohnson

“Satan is called the accuser. He shouts that your sin is unforgivable in an effort to block you from a relationship with Christ and His healing and release from sin.”

So true, so true! Then he tries to convince you that the light will cause you pain and will kill you, thus you must stay away from it. It’s the great lie from which he obtains his power. The truth sets souls free.


90 posted on 04/26/2012 6:26:38 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: babygene

-—Excuse me... Since when have husbands and fathers been demanding abortions???——

I used to attend prayer vigils at PP on Saturday mornings. Women were accompanied by either their mothers or boyfriends. About 50-50.

Yes, mothers. Try to imagine that.


91 posted on 04/26/2012 6:29:05 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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92 posted on 04/26/2012 6:31:39 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: grundle

Dear Ms. Spicer,

Pass the word around to any young people you come across. Let your decision and subsequent consequences be a lesson to any others who might consider this course of action. Join us in prayer at an abortion mill near you.


93 posted on 04/26/2012 6:36:07 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: The_Media_never_lie
To rub salt in the wounds seem to be sport for those who have made no serious mistakes in their lives.

Yes. Yet... There is no one who has made no mistakes. Sometimes people forget that we are -all- sinners, and in the end, all sin is the same before the Lord. Nobody gets credit for needing a little less forgiveness than the next person. In this story I see a woman in the process of waking up to a reality she's been blind to all her life. That's something to celebrate.

94 posted on 04/26/2012 6:43:03 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: kearnyirish2; georgia peach

And our culture is encouraging the fertile young women not to marry, but to sell their eggs.


95 posted on 04/26/2012 7:15:43 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: babygene
Since when have husbands and fathers been demanding abortions

Well, boyfriends -- maybe impregnators would be a better term -- then.

IIRC, polls show that more men support unrestricted abortion than women.

96 posted on 04/26/2012 7:24:36 AM PDT by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: babygene
Since when have husbands and fathers been demanding abortions

Well, boyfriends -- maybe impregnators would be a better term -- then.

IIRC, polls show that more men support unrestricted abortion than women.

97 posted on 04/26/2012 7:24:46 AM PDT by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: babygene
Since when have husbands and fathers been demanding abortions

Well, boyfriends -- maybe impregnators would be a better term -- then.

IIRC, polls show that more men support unrestricted abortion than women.

98 posted on 04/26/2012 7:25:04 AM PDT by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: tired&retired

What a beautiful way to help someone in need — and to understand that person.

The wound in her soul and being a victim — I’m happy that the lady with throat cancer was able to release that terrible memory.

Well stated! Jesus heals and it’s amazing how a soul becomes unshackled when all that stress and bad memories come to light....


99 posted on 04/26/2012 7:33:59 AM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD
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To: Tribune7

Easy of the post button... My record is 5 times! LOL

“IIRC, polls show that more men support unrestricted abortion than women.”

Men not wanting to pay child support are the primary proponents of abortion. Out of wedlock pregnancies.


100 posted on 04/26/2012 7:44:04 AM PDT by tired&retired
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