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Voting for Romney? Where is your line in the sand? (Vanity)

Posted on 04/26/2012 9:18:03 AM PDT by Student0165

I want to ask those who consider themselves conservatives, and are going to vote for Romney because he happens to have an (R) instead of a (D) behind his name on the ballot sheet, where do you draw your personal line in the sand and say "No more"? For stupid people reading this (liberals and DHS type workers), I don't mean violence - I mean not voting for "the lesser of two evils".


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KEYWORDS: no2backstabbers; no2flipfloppers; no2moretaxes; no2romney; no2romneycare; no2saboteurs; no2tarp; no2whiningposers
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To: Resettozero
It’s really easy to understand but hard for many FReepers to accept: The Republican Party no longer automatically receives all the Conservatives’ votes for the offices of President/Vice President.

Straw man argument.

201 posted on 04/26/2012 11:24:07 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: TruthHound

DU’ers jerk off to these kinds of threads.

Terrorists crouch on carpets praising Allah for your success at dividing Republicans.

How soon before I see the Drudge headline that the once-great conservative website Free Republic is now flat-out PRO-OBAMA?

Shame on you.


So sorry you see it that way. You are entitled to your opinion. GOP-e delights in voters such as you. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Shame on you.


202 posted on 04/26/2012 11:24:22 AM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Resettozero

Because the only consistant trait she has displayed is to know where her bread is buttered.


203 posted on 04/26/2012 11:26:38 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: D-fendr

Thanks for your reply: “At this point, to be a true conservative. “

Was there anyone in the primary that met your standard?


Was there anyone in the primary who met my standard? Once Palin decided not to run, I could have held my nose and voted for Gingrich. I cannot hold my nose and vote for Romney. I just cannot sink that low.


204 posted on 04/26/2012 11:27:24 AM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: TruthHound; Student0165; Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Impy
RE :”It’s time for everyone on this site to get 100% behind the only man who can remove the most destructive regime America has ever seen.
FREEPERS!!! Support Mitt Romney as though the fate of a FREE United States depended on it. That is the reality!”

DA-Da-Da, America-America...flags waving, crowds cheering...or....


205 posted on 04/26/2012 11:28:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely screw you.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
Under normal circumstances, where the grievances between the parties are often small and do not contain a broad based appeal to the voters, such thinking is correct. However, we now face a different position; one where the third party could contrast with both party's candidates on almost every major issue.

Indeed (and thank you!). Also, I haven't seen voters as generally unenthusiastic, and even downright angry, as they are since 1992.

206 posted on 04/26/2012 11:30:04 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Student0165

It seems as though you let your slip show on another thread...”Let the kenyan keep it another 4 years.”


207 posted on 04/26/2012 11:30:29 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Deb

And you serve what purpose? (I mean besides pretending to be a “student”.) Let me guess...Third Party?

Won’t work this time. Obama and his march to Marxism is over. And there’s nothing you can do about it.


Well, “Deb” - aside from being a REAL student - I serve a purpose of being a Christian, a conservative, a wife, a dog rescuer, a hospice volunteer, and driving 100 miles every day to a major university for classes and back. Um, what exact purpose to YOU serve dear? Oh, and bless your heart.


208 posted on 04/26/2012 11:30:50 AM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: D-fendr
If you/we do the same work...within the GOP, there would be no need for a third party.

Naive, at best.

GOP elite holds off the tea partiers

April 22, 2012

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — The Republican Party establishment has withstood the tea-party revolution.

The tricorne-hat wearing, Gadsden-flag waving insurgents were nowhere near the Republican National Committee’s annual meeting of state chairman, which wrapped up at a posh resort here Saturday afternoon.

*excerpt*

Many Republicans here said that tea-party activists now understand that things will run more smoothly if those with experience are in charge rather than those who put a premium on ideology over process.

*end excerpt*

209 posted on 04/26/2012 11:33:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney Republicanism. Even Jimmy Carter can be comfortable with it.)
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To: wtc911

It seems as though you let your slip show on another thread...”Let the kenyan keep it another 4 years.”


Yep, I did say that. That is the voice of a frustrated conservative (not “Republican”). Too bad you didn’t post all of it. That is what trolls do.

All I did was ask a question. It is so telling to see the fear and hatred come out of the Romneybots. Interesting.


210 posted on 04/26/2012 11:34:05 AM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: TruthHound

I find your post doubly-ironic, considering your tagline.


211 posted on 04/26/2012 11:36:47 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

BTW: Everything you talk about doing to create this third party could be done within the GOP easier and quicker.

If you can’t exercise the same skills and success within the party, I don’t believe you can do it outside. It’s been done before, it can be done again.

The problem this primary was a weak field and disunity - no organizing behind a single candidate opposed to Romney.


212 posted on 04/26/2012 11:37:10 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: rogue yam

No, you have misapplied the term “straw man argument”. Does not fit in response to my personal statement, which is provable. Nothing about my statement was a construction to be demolished.


213 posted on 04/26/2012 11:38:14 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Brookhaven

“...if the only way to get rid of Obama is to cast a vote for Romney then that’s what I’ll have to do (even it if means walking outside and throwing up afterwards).”

I’ve already scheduled an appointment with my doctor to have my tongue stitched back together after I pull the lever for RINO-Romney.

Whatever it takes to be get the zer0 out!


214 posted on 04/26/2012 11:39:56 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: BlatherNaut
Remember Ross Perot? Third parties don't win.

You mean the guy who was polling 40+% consistently throughout June of 1992? The guy who only lost because he more or less self-destructed like a crazy man?

Not actually a very good example to make your case. A non-crazy conservative could mount a winning campaign.

Like it or not, politics is a numbers game, and the majority of the electorate is not conservative.

Sure they are - they just need to be made to understand this fact.

215 posted on 04/26/2012 11:41:26 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: wtc911

Harsh judgment. Oh well, that is the presstitutes’ line they’ve spread about her. For those willing to dig into the subject, it is possible to discover what you wrote is not quite the truth.


216 posted on 04/26/2012 11:42:06 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: rogue yam

How do you NOT know this?


217 posted on 04/26/2012 11:44:32 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: rogue yam

———In four years we will have other candidates———

The rest of the lesson is very plainly visible here on Free Republic. There is no such thing as a “Conservative”. There is an extremely wide variation of views with specifics among individuals quite variable. There was no consensus enabling one candidate to be thrust the forefront. It seemed that what was good didn’t matter. It was that which caused one to be against that prevailed.The result was smaller coalitions of those who could accept that which others, other conservatives disdained.

Then there is poor ol’ pissant. He got so riled and vociferous, he got zotted.

My solution is a CONSERVATIVE SECONDARY. A method must be developed to weigh and measure qualifications, develop consensus, and result in one or at most two conservative candidates in the Republican Primary.

We do not need a third party. We need a strong Conservative Coalition residing under the Republican tent. It might be a Tea Party Coalition but with several competing Tea Parties it may never come to pass. Bravado and “By God I won’t ever vote RINO” must be softened by developing real strength in a coalition.

Until such a coalition is existing and functioning, the probability for prevailing at a national level is slim.

I think it should be Newt’s job and legacy to begin just such an effort


218 posted on 04/26/2012 11:44:50 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: EternalVigilance
I'll let Sam Adams deal with that one:

I'd love to see how the Founding Fathers would contend with today's massive and corrupt government beaurocracy and dumbed-down, left-leaning electorate.

219 posted on 04/26/2012 11:45:42 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: EternalVigilance

Not naive. Those state chairman you blame, can be replaced. They very often are.

If you can’t organize and replace those positions in the GOP, you can’t do the same thing in a third party - it’s the same work and skills.

Further, if you have a third-party, you’ll have the identical task of filling those slots with those folks you want - and the same arguments and fights.

The only difference is you have a ton of extra work for a new party that you don’t have organizing and changing an existing party.


220 posted on 04/26/2012 11:46:14 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
A non-crazy conservative could mount a winning campaign.

It's more than just running a non-crazy candidate. You have to have someone of real stature. The electorate needs to be very, very angry. There could be a Conservative party victory and permanent replacement of the Republican party but I think without these things it ain't gonna happen.

221 posted on 04/26/2012 11:48:10 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Student0165

Skimmed through the first 100 posts, and as usual not one, not one confirmed policy change Mandate-Mitt in any post, not one.

Federal Bloc. dream candidate. Mandate-Mitt, the most unknown mandate dangerous Federal Takeover candidate ever. No wonder they want the Undocumented Coffee Server out.


222 posted on 04/26/2012 11:48:31 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: BlatherNaut

Some of them would be posting or lurking on Free Republic trying to figure out what to do.


223 posted on 04/26/2012 11:48:47 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

From Wiki: A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position. To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

Nobody here has argued that the GOP will automatically receive conservatives’ votes.


224 posted on 04/26/2012 11:50:02 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: D-fendr
BTW: Everything you talk about doing to create this third party could be done within the GOP easier and quicker.

Nope. It's already been tried. It didn't work. Face it - as much as you want to believe otherwise, the GOP simply is not a place for conservatives anymore.

225 posted on 04/26/2012 11:50:39 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Student0165
Thanks for your reply:

Once Palin decided not to run, I could have held my nose and voted for Gingrich.

Both of these have sizable and vocal opposition here. The problem is closer to home than blaming the party, IMHO.

Start a third party and I believe you will have the same problems, the same arguments, the same disunity. Until this is overcome, nothing really changes.

226 posted on 04/26/2012 11:50:39 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Student0165

And I bet you donated a kidney to a homeless vet. What a load.


227 posted on 04/26/2012 11:50:43 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: D-fendr

A) I spent two decades trying to fix the GOP. Like I told you, it’s a pipe dream. And with the impending nomination of Romney, the situation just got infinitely worse.

B) I’ve spent four years building a new party, and we’re doing just fine, with a minimum of “arguments and fights.” And we’re doing it on a completely principled basis.


228 posted on 04/26/2012 11:52:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney Republicanism. Even Jimmy Carter can be comfortable with it.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
You mean the guy who was polling 40+% consistently throughout June of 1992

Poll results 6 months before elections aren't particularly relevant.

I voted for Perot. It was a dumb mistake. Lesson learned.

229 posted on 04/26/2012 11:53:19 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Student0165

I don’t vote for Socialists, whether Republican or Democrat.

Mitt 0bamney is therefore disqualified from the possibility of receiving my vote.


230 posted on 04/26/2012 11:53:36 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (FOCUS ON FACTS: 0bamaCare Hated. Worst Recovery. Failed Stimulus. Worst Deficits.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

That was an utterly stupid and worthless reply. You made a claim that you cannot possibly know to be true and I called you on your b.s.


231 posted on 04/26/2012 11:53:40 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Nope. It's already been tried. It didn't work.

I watched it and worked in and for it when it did work during the Reagan years.

The party is not a separate monolithic entity - it is comprised of people. It's not exactly the same from one month to the next, one election to the next.

Politics is messy and a long hard continuous slog, from the bottom to the top. The work and results are the same within the GOP as they would be in a new party, except you'd have much greater obstacles to overcome in a new party.

232 posted on 04/26/2012 11:54:53 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

“A non-crazy conservative...”

Leftists, Romneybots, and several recent posters on Free Republic would say that’s an oxymoron even if not talking about Ross Perot.


233 posted on 04/26/2012 11:54:57 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: kenmcg
Quite frankly the country can’t take another four years of the messiah. Maybe we can get enough conservative pubbies in the house and senate to make Romney toe the line.

I have to agree with this. I know many Freepers are blaming the GOPe for giving us Romney, but my view is that we did not have a strong slate to begin with. I really wanted Palin to run and then went for Cain until it dawned on me that Newt was the smartest man on the stage. Now, I am going to do everything I can to keep the Kenyan from having a second term. NO ONE is more evil than him and his minions.

What we need to ask ourselves is why didn't a really STRONG conservative throw his/her hat in the ring? Didn't we have someone other than Palin?

234 posted on 04/26/2012 11:55:11 AM PDT by saminfl
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To: D-fendr; EternalVigilance
Not naive. Those state chairman you blame, can be replaced. They very often are.

Good grief, you *are* naive, aren't you?

Replaced by whom, another state chair whose jib is cut the exact same way. State party politics are almost always driven by personality more than ideology, except in very rare circumstances where a determined ideological minority raises enough of a ruckus that the rank and file wakes up for a moment and gets mad enough to turn out in force at county conventions.

Most of the time, however, when one state chair (or other top official) is replaced, it has to do with factional politics - one guy's circle of followers was able to finagle a way to get the other guy thrown out.

235 posted on 04/26/2012 11:55:15 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: PeteB570

What line is it you speak of? I choose between the choices that have qualified to be on the ballot based on what is the best for America.That always means not voting democrat.


236 posted on 04/26/2012 11:55:15 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: All

as long as America is still a free country, I will vote in every election. I will vote for Romney, since not voting is not an option for me. I won’t vote for a Marxist, and not voting is a vote for the Marxist.


237 posted on 04/26/2012 11:55:34 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: brownsfan
Explain how and why a second Obama term is the best option?

One reason it would kill the Whig party for certain.

238 posted on 04/26/2012 11:55:41 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: D-fendr

I’m not insinuating a third party like some harridans on this thread (who do not know me) are contending. I don’t believe a third party will work with our election system. I am, however, fed up with fear voting and I asked a simple question about where conservatives draw their voting line in the sand when it comes to the same old Dole/McCain/Romney - and even Bush candidates.

Thank you for your sane replies.


239 posted on 04/26/2012 11:56:17 AM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: cripplecreek

Enjoy the next 4 years of Obama then.Hope he doesn’t end your jobs in those 4 years.


240 posted on 04/26/2012 11:56:27 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: brownsfan
"Explain how and why a second Obama term is the best option?"

A: So that we don't have two identically Socialist Parties in the U.S., the Red Socialists and the Blue Socialists, with no essential distinction.

I'll take the Real Socialist to maintain the distinction between Socialism and Non-Socialism forever. To eliminate the distinction is the greatest harm. I'd rather lose fighting for actual freedom than win my own prison cell.

241 posted on 04/26/2012 11:56:54 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (FOCUS ON FACTS: 0bamaCare Hated. Worst Recovery. Failed Stimulus. Worst Deficits.)
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To: Resettozero
Some of them would be posting or lurking on Free Republic trying to figure out what to do.

I'm sure of it. :-)

242 posted on 04/26/2012 11:56:57 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: saminfl

Perhaps, one day, we will learn the true reasons she didn’t run...so far.


243 posted on 04/26/2012 11:57:14 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: D-fendr
Both of these have sizable and vocal opposition here. The problem is closer to home than blaming the party, IMHO.

It is easy to state, as many here do, that Romney was wired for the nomination by the scoundrels of the GOP-elite.

It is much harder to identify the solid conservative candidate that we would all have rallied behind had not the GOP-e evildoers done their dirty.

244 posted on 04/26/2012 11:57:18 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Lady Lucky

Re Romney in 2016: Also, he has the money to run again, has made it clear there’s nothing he’d rather do for years on end than run for President, would surely get the GOP-e backing all over again.


245 posted on 04/26/2012 11:58:38 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: EternalVigilance

My experience was different, it was successful. If you’re unsuccessful there are reasons for it.

If your third party grows to any size, say the size necessary to get on the ballot and run a credible national campaign, you will have fights and dissension and same problems you have with the GOP.

Because the only way not to is to not have very many people involved.

The politics of freedom are a messy affair.


246 posted on 04/26/2012 11:59:07 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: chris_bdba

You are a mewling little coward with a stream of Mitt running down your chin. It ain’t pretty little lady.


247 posted on 04/26/2012 12:00:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: bert
We do not need a third party. We need a strong Conservative Coalition residing under the Republican tent. It might be a Tea Party Coalition but with several competing Tea Parties it may never come to pass. Bravado and “By God I won’t ever vote RINO” must be softened by developing real strength in a coalition.

Well said.

248 posted on 04/26/2012 12:01:09 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: rogue yam
That was an utterly stupid and worthless reply. You made a claim that you cannot possibly know to be true and I called you on your b.s.

You "called me on my b.s." Sure. Is that what they're calling "spewing idiocy" these days?

You're right - I don't *know* that a third party would win under the circumstances I've described. True enough. I also don't *know* the outcome to a lot of other events which are still over seven months away. Nobody does. Ergo, you're question was a stupid irrelevancy serving as an inadequate substitute for actual thought, designed to justify your own personal lack of courage.

At least I provided a framework argument for why a third party *could* have a better-than-fair chance of winning it all. You didn't even attempt to provide reasons why it couldn't. Throwing your diaper at me doesn't count, btw.

249 posted on 04/26/2012 12:01:09 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: BlatherNaut
The "First Black President" IMPEACHED?

That's SECOND black president, bub!


250 posted on 04/26/2012 12:01:35 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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