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Voting for Romney? Where is your line in the sand? (Vanity)

Posted on 04/26/2012 9:18:03 AM PDT by Student0165

I want to ask those who consider themselves conservatives, and are going to vote for Romney because he happens to have an (R) instead of a (D) behind his name on the ballot sheet, where do you draw your personal line in the sand and say "No more"? For stupid people reading this (liberals and DHS type workers), I don't mean violence - I mean not voting for "the lesser of two evils".


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: no2backstabbers; no2flipfloppers; no2moretaxes; no2romney; no2romneycare; no2saboteurs; no2tarp; no2whiningposers
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To: rogue yam
It is easy to state, as many here do, that Romney was wired for the nomination by the scoundrels of the GOP-elite.

Politics is all about power. You will *always* have very powerful opposition that requires skill and unity to defeat.

As you imply, the problem this time was the field of nonRomneys and/or the failure to unite behind one of them. Romney, and whatever elites support him, could have been beat had this not been the case.

251 posted on 04/26/2012 12:01:37 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Resettozero

>Perhaps, one day, we will learn the true reasons she didn’t run...so far.

Not a chance of winning. I had hopes for her. Just like I later had hopes for Perry, Cain, Gingrich...none of them worth a damn. We’d have been better off to settle on less than perfect but still electable and now we’re left with “I hope I’m wrong about him”.


252 posted on 04/26/2012 12:02:22 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: TruthHound

Well stated... from another “Hound”.


253 posted on 04/26/2012 12:04:23 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: bkepley

I meant that one day she may tell us the true reasons so that we don’t have to settle for “to be with my family.” Lots of suppositions floating around out there.


254 posted on 04/26/2012 12:06:06 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Replaced by whom, another state chair whose jib is cut the exact same way.

No, by whomever you are postulating for the same position in your third party. If you don't have such a person, or the person is not a good one, or you cannot organize for, nominate and elect such a person...

Then you just can't do politics on that scale. You can't do it on a large scale in your third party either. IF you can, you can do it in the GOP, easier.

I agree it would be much easier to have a house party and all agree on each other for the key positions. But then what?

255 posted on 04/26/2012 12:06:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: EternalVigilance; D-fendr
A) I spent two decades trying to fix the GOP. Like I told you, it’s a pipe dream. And with the impending nomination of Romney, the situation just got infinitely worse.

I have to confess, I used to be vehemently opposed to third partyism and advocated for "reforming" the GOP from within. I used to make all the same stupid little unthinking arguments for "choosing the lesser of two evils" that we see people on this thread making. I woke up - they haven't.

My advice would be to just dismiss the "lesser of two evils" people and forge ahead without them. Likely, they'd just be dead weight in any serious movement to advance conservatism anywise. Keep building from the ground up, seeking to replace the GOP and it's establishment. When that happens, people like these on here will rally around once the GOP is visibly sliding, because following, rather than leading, is what these people do.

256 posted on 04/26/2012 12:08:45 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: rogue yam

If you say so. Still, for next time, that’s not a straw man argument.


257 posted on 04/26/2012 12:09:24 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Uncle Miltie; central_va; Lady Lucky

“A: So that we don’t have two identically Socialist Parties in the U.S., the Red Socialists and the Blue Socialists, with no essential distinction. “

So, Americans are as you imagine them, not as the votes reveal them to be? That is, Romney won the nomination because the votes were falsified? Or that Republican voters didn’t understand that voting for Romney gave them Romney?

And more Obama will be better? A real proven Marxist is better than whatever Romney seems to be today?

There’s some real confusing here.


258 posted on 04/26/2012 12:12:03 PM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: EternalVigilance
You selfish, suicidal, self-righteous, arrogant ass, saving the country from CERTAIN dissolution is the right thing to do. A dead Republic has no chance of reforming the feckless Republican party.

There is a chance --and I have no idea what percent chance-- that a Republican controlled House and Senate would generate less liberal bilge from Milt 'I wanna be admired' Rominy. We know damned certain no such thing will come from Barry the bastard commie as a lame duck tyrant.

You need to do something that you are apparently unwilling to do, you need to realize that voting against allowing the little bastard commie to remain in power with his criminal enterprise is not an endorsement of Milt Rominy or his past record.

259 posted on 04/26/2012 12:12:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Thanks for your post:

Keep building from the ground up

That's what has to be done in either case. After all, that's how the GOP began.

260 posted on 04/26/2012 12:12:03 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Deb

“And I bet you donated a kidney to a homeless vet. What a load.”


Everything I said is true. I see you have nothing of value to add. Bless your heart.

PS - Jealous much?


261 posted on 04/26/2012 12:14:35 PM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: D-fendr
Nope, sorry. As much as you may wish to poo-poo the fact, it still remains that the GOP does have an institutionalised establishment, and this establishment does everything in its level best power to make sure that its grip on the party is not broken by conservatives. Half the battle is simply getting rid of the GOP-E so that a little fresh air can be had. This won't get done in the GOP. Sorry, but it won't. You can stick with the GOP fort a century, and you know what you're going to be doing? Sitting around every four years resigning yourself to voting for the dreck that GOP-E serves up, which it managed to do by a combination of its grip on the reins within the party and skulduggery - just like this year.

But hey, if you really need the exercise, have at it.

262 posted on 04/26/2012 12:15:36 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: JediJones

Sorry, Bubba! :-)


263 posted on 04/26/2012 12:20:33 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: D-fendr
That's what has to be done in either case. After all, that's how the GOP began.

And it can be done again. That's the whole point.

Shoot, I'm not even asking for some sort of ultra-hard right Constitution Party type to vote for (though that looks like all I've got at present). I'd settle for somebody who's simply a reasonable movement conservative. People talk about not voting for the guy who agrees with you 80% - I WOULD. But that's not an option. I agree with Romney probably on about 10% of what I've seen him do and say over the years. That is NOT good enough.

264 posted on 04/26/2012 12:21:14 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: brownsfan

“There’s some real confusing here.”

Correct. It is very confusion these days.


265 posted on 04/26/2012 12:21:56 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Clara Lou
Ah, but which is less evil?

Barack Hussein And Romney Live Together In Perfect Harmony
Side By Side On My Piano Keyboard, Oh Lord, Why Don't We?
We All Know That People Are The Same Where Ever We Go
There Is Good And Bad In Ev'ryone,
We Learn To Live, We Learn To Give
Each Other What We Need To Survive Together Alive.

Barack Hussein And Romney Live Together In Perfect Harmony
Side By Side On My Piano Keyboard, Oh Lord Why Don't We?

266 posted on 04/26/2012 12:25:34 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Student0165
The last person on the planet I would be "jealous" of, is someone who would start a pointless, ignorant, self-humping thread like this.

There are people out there who believe Obama has to be stopped, no matter what, and your Kardashian-like thinking is beyond ignorant.

I prefer to think you're a leftist troll. That would be better than if you were someone who actually thinks she's a conservative and that threads like this are helping.

Shove your heart blessing.

267 posted on 04/26/2012 12:26:11 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Student0165

Firmly ABO here.

I will gag and vote for Mitt in order to oust the marxist, moslem, America hating islamist and his race-baiting minions from their thrones.

Be gone,Barry, Moochelle, Holder, Axelrod et al, we will vote you out.


268 posted on 04/26/2012 12:30:54 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: PeteB570

I’m with you 100%. I keep in mind that Romney will more than likely look at replacing possibly two Supreme’s with Conservative leaning judges during the first 4 years.


269 posted on 04/26/2012 12:31:56 PM PDT by unique1
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To: Student0165
No romneybot here, sorry.

But you are on record as advancing the idea of giving obama another four years.

A few freepers have noticed that some of those of you who are pushing for this are pretty new here --- we can only guess at your true agenda.

270 posted on 04/26/2012 12:32:44 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Student0165

Rough thread, isn’t it? I got some nasty nips on my ankles too.


271 posted on 04/26/2012 12:33:14 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: bert
What is to the left of the line no longer matters in this presidential election.

Yeh, it does, to those of us who refuse to lay down our arms.
272 posted on 04/26/2012 12:34:36 PM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: D-fendr

There are a lot of reasons Romney got where he did and very little of it is to blame on the conservatives who didn’t want him. There was only one other credible candidate who didn’t look like a newbie up there or look unpresidential, and that was Newt. Everyone else could easily raise doubts in the voters’ minds as to whether they would be electable against Obama.

Since there was absolutely nothing intrinsic to Newt that made him seem unelectable, the only way that could be done was by Romney destroying his reputation in a shameless, unforgiving, dishonest and brutal manner. Since Romney had far more money than any other candidate, he was able to spew his lies and very little could be done to counter them by his opposition.

Lastly, the party-run media FOX News, Drudge Report, National Review, Washington Times and many RINO radio shows all received their talking points from the RNC and followed orders. Since conservatives heavily get their news from those outlets, nominating anyone other than Romney was about as hard as electing a non-Communist in China. The betrayal by the conservative media of their core audience is the biggest untold story of this election cycle.


273 posted on 04/26/2012 12:35:01 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Theophilus

I hope that was a cut-and-paste. Life is finite. Gotta use it wisely.


274 posted on 04/26/2012 12:36:58 PM PDT by Clara Lou ("Mendacity is the system we live in." (Big Daddy))
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To: Resettozero

Sorry, facts are facts...


275 posted on 04/26/2012 12:37:12 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: bert

A conservative Congress will block far more from Obama than they will for Romney. Romney can easily get the “team-playing” Republicans to vote with the Democrats to pass left-leaning legislation, just as Bush Sr. did with his tax hikes, in an effort led by lead Romney surrogate John Sununu.


276 posted on 04/26/2012 12:38:30 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Student0165

I’m ABO, there is just far too much at stake this election cycle.


277 posted on 04/26/2012 12:39:33 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Student0165

I’m ABO, there is just far too much at stake this election cycle.


278 posted on 04/26/2012 12:39:48 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: JediJones
Lastly, the party-run media FOX News, Drudge Report, National Review, Washington Times and many RINO radio shows all received their talking points from the RNC

The easy way out. I saw Newt as not electable, not really worthy of the office, probably not enough gravitas even for a cabinet position. He's a fine professor I imagine, and a good congressman.

279 posted on 04/26/2012 12:40:06 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Student0165

My line in the sand is against another win for
The-Most-High-and-Holy-Emperor-Princess Barry.

I’m no Mitt fan, but if that’s what we’ve got,
he’s got my vote.

Never mind the lesser of two evils,
how about offering a starving man a rotten
sandwich or a cyanide pill??

With Mittens we have another chance to make
good to our Founding Fathers and our grandchildren.

You sit this one out, let Barry win, and we’re
done. That’s the choice we’re looking at.

I’ll take the rotten sandwich and see you another
four years.


280 posted on 04/26/2012 12:40:14 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: wtc911

“But you are on record as advancing the idea of giving obama another four years.”

RTZ: Now just a minute. That is a blatant false characterization of what she has been advocating. You SOUND Romneybot-like, whether you intend to or not.

“A few freepers have noticed that some of those of you who are pushing for this...”

RTZ: Pushing for what exactly?


281 posted on 04/26/2012 12:40:43 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Armando Guerra; All

” If I was a pure idealist, I may not even have voted for Reagan. He did run deficits, keep social security in its present form, compromise with Tip O’Neil and pass amnesty. But, he was the best to deal with the Soviet Union and the Carter malaise. My ideal candidate now doesn’t exist. I didn’t hear any candidate supporting the repeal of the 16th and 17th amendments and privatization of social security. But, I am honest enough to acknowledge my ideal candidate would not have won. “

Armando, you sound like 90% of us.

God bless you, brother!!


282 posted on 04/26/2012 12:41:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Student0165

The line in the sand is sitting in the White House.


283 posted on 04/26/2012 12:43:07 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That’s good to hear because I’ve remembered how decisions in Reagan’s second term eventually cost me my job and career. But I still loved him.


284 posted on 04/26/2012 12:44:03 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: GlockThe Vote

I supported Santorum, but I have no problems voting for Romney in November. I only want one thing—that he’ll FIRE every last one of those GD envirowacko zealot b*st*rds at the EPA. Fire them ALL, sanitize the computers, sell them, sell the furniture, sell the building, everything. And if no one wants to buy the building, RAZE it and sell the bare land.

That’s all I want, Mitt. Destroy them utterly.


285 posted on 04/26/2012 12:45:49 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: Armando Guerra

Newt did repeatedly advocate for the privatization of the employee contribution to Social Security in accordance with the Chilean and Galveston models. You must have missed most of the speeches and debates.

Nobody was expecting the “perfect” conservative candidate. That’s a complete straw man argument. We were just looking for someone better than Hillary Clinton in a tie, a.k.a. Romney.


286 posted on 04/26/2012 12:47:32 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Resettozero

FReepmail


287 posted on 04/26/2012 12:51:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Windcatcher

Yes. But has he given any indication he intends to do something like that? Newt sorta did. Ron Paul wanted to cut Foreign Aid to zilch; don’t know about the EPA. Santorum didn’t say anything I can remember about it. You still have hopes that Romney will gut the EPA? Sure hope he does, if he can get elected.


288 posted on 04/26/2012 12:52:21 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Safrguns

FOFL! And just who is going to prosecute him......Eric Holder? LOL

Nobody, but nobody, would have the guts to prosecute him. And the reason is: fear of all out race riots.


289 posted on 04/26/2012 12:53:24 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Student0165

I’d vote for Satan before I voted for Obama, so voting for Romney won’t be that much more difficult.


290 posted on 04/26/2012 12:54:17 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Katarina

Well said.


291 posted on 04/26/2012 12:57:10 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: JediJones
More crap from the crap-slingers. It is possible that the majority of people see Romney as the best way to beat Obama. Not everyone is in a HUGE conspiracy.

Its hilarious to me that the same people who used to scream "RINO!" at me for defending Newt, are now lamenting the demise of his campaign. Conservative insanity never ends. That's why we're screwed.

292 posted on 04/26/2012 12:57:35 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: catnipman
I’d vote for Satan before I voted for Obama, so voting for Romney won’t be that much more difficult.

Excellent!

293 posted on 04/26/2012 12:58:32 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour)
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To: Student0165

Please tell me that you do NOT intend to vote for the GREATER of two evils.


294 posted on 04/26/2012 1:00:49 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Deb

Stay classy. I am so grateful I am not as angry as you are, and I am able to grip the concept of critical thinking. Bless your heart.


295 posted on 04/26/2012 1:07:02 PM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: pfony1

Please tell me that you do NOT intend to vote for the GREATER of two evils.


Of course not. I just don’t think I can vote for Romney, who to me is the exact same thing as the greater of two evils. Why would I vote for the same thing?


296 posted on 04/26/2012 1:08:40 PM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: JediJones

You and I share a similar recollection of events.


297 posted on 04/26/2012 1:17:04 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Student0165
The quote is, "Stay classy, San Diego". Don't copy tired, over-used catch phrases if you don't know where they're from. You look even more stupid.

And I'm sorry you don't care enough about your country to get "angry". I do. Political stupidity angers me. Someone who plays to the audience to get cheap "Atta girls" from the hacks and loons ANGERS me. Someone with the brainpower of lettuce who thinks its fine to sabotage the country and our future because she didn't get their nominee ANGERS me!

PS: the "Bless your heart" thing is really pathetic. Even in Texas they don't do it more than once.

298 posted on 04/26/2012 1:25:56 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: bkepley; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE :”The reason we're stuck with Romney is a failure of conservatives rather than a grand conspiracy of the elites.

My theory is that many Republicans didn't want to run because as ugly as the races can get they like even less the thought of being a POTUS with :
1) a 6+ Trillion dollar debt, 1.5T$ deficit,
2) Democrats who have a sole mission to destroy them,
3) a base (us) that wants/needs them to get things done that a PoTUS cant do WITHOUT A FILIBUSTER PROOF Senate.
4) Independents that are so clueless they dont even know which party controls the congress half the time.

When asked if he would run by Cavuto, Jim DeMint replied :”Why the hell would I want THAT job?”

299 posted on 04/26/2012 1:29:06 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely screw you.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal; EternalVigilance
And if, as his track record justifies, Romney is only 1% conservative or less, kissing the backsides of his fellow leftist eklitists and destroying the GOP in the process along with the country(as surely as will Obozo), then, hey, there's your Victory (???), right? And the best part is that you will empower the GOP Elite to wage (with nothing more than mountains of money) their primary campaigns of distortions, lies, libels and slanders to destroy each and every decent conservative. We don't have their money and we never will. All we can do is punish their tactics by punishing their candidates until they get the message. We don't want Obozo but we are suicidal if we tolerate Romney and the corrupt GOP Elite in power after what they have done this year alone. If Romney winds up in the White House, actual conservatives will have no more influence than they will have with Obozo. That is the simple truth and that is no oversimplification and YOU know it.

People are free to vote Libertarian if that is their flavor of the year or they can vote for Virgil Goode on the Constitution Party or, like me, they can vote for fellow FReeper Tom Hoefling (Eternal Vigilance) particularly after checking his homepage and websites. At least, any of those choices represents a vote for principle and a vote for Romney by any actual conservative is an utterly wasted vote and an encouragement to our enemies in both parties.

After 44 years of voting for each and every GOP POTUS candidate including such utter RINOs as Ford, Bush the Elder, Dole and McCain, I have had it now and forever. If the GOP wants my vote, it can darn well EARN it by nominating conservatives. Otherwise, to hell with them and their lavishly funded serial liars and spineless cretins like Romney.

300 posted on 04/26/2012 1:31:51 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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