Skip to comments.Voting for Romney? Where is your line in the sand? (Vanity)
Posted on 04/26/2012 9:18:03 AM PDT by Student0165
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Romney: some good (e.g. Supreme Court picks). Bozo: all bad.
I’m reading that Republicans may lose seats in House and Senate. It may not be like 2009 & 2010 with Democrat control in House, Senate and WH. But Republicans would have less power
There is no way on earth any other candidates have a chance of winning the Presidency. That’s reality. It’s either Romney or Obama. If I were to vote for anyone else or not vote- I might as well head down to the voting booth and pull the lever for Obama for all my vote will mean.
Ultimately what we get is 4 more years of him- that will be the reality ..... 4 more years of Obama and Michelle and Foot-in-mouth Biden and that whole herd of over the top liberals in Obama’s stable.
We may even see Van Jones and some of those other crazy-extreme “ex-Czars” that were let go, come back next 4 years. (Dang just shoot me now!!!!!!)
That’s your opinion.
If you don’t vote for Obama’s opposition, you’re giving Obama the next appointments to the Supreme Court. Comfortable with that, are ya?
where do you draw your personal line in the sand
What standard would the main choice for defeating the regime have to reach before you'd pull his/her lever?
Frankly, zippy-the-pinhead is the current line in the sand. Since Alexander Hope is fictional (hence, not on the ballot), It will have to be the party B nominee.
Not crazy about it, but have held nose and pressed vote before.
Question: If Romney’s policies are/would be virtually identical to Obama’s, then doesn’t it stand to reason that Romney probably hates America too, at least America as it has been and should be?
I would also like an explanation of how electing a man who founded socialized medicine in America, supports gun control, picked pro-gay liberal judges, and raised taxes can be considered a “win.” If your going to argue foreign policy; I'm going to need better proof than a reassurance from Jimmy Carter that he can handle the job. It was Republican who got us the patriot act and the TSA.
If you were to look at Romney's record alone with no knowledge of who the record belonged to would you honestly say he was a conservative, or that he is fit to run the country.
Yes Obama may be worse, does it matter if they both seek to destroy America? What else can you call socialized medicine and all other aspects of Romney's record? You can't sell out your country to save it; my conscience won't let me.
I realize another four years of Obama may be well be the end of America, but we shouldn't let fear cloud or judgment and force us to leave behind our principals. At the end of the day I have answer for my actions and this country will be long gone, I won't answer that I put expediency over right and wrong. I fear God not Obama, that shouldn't make me a 'spoiled child'.
Would Milt keep Eric ‘my people; Just Us’ Holder on in a Rominy administration? Would Milt re-up the czarist program of little barry bastard commie?
My line in the sand is Sotomayor & Kagan.
Well said. Agreed.
I will NOT be voting for Romney. PERIOD.
If and when Romney gets the GOP nomination, the first thing I will be doing is changing my party affiliation to independent.
I will be THROUGH with the GOP.
I will then be looking and hoping for a conservative independent candidate to rise up and challenge the GOP elite.
If that means splitting the ticket and handing the white house back to Obama, so be it.
I would rather have Obama remain in office where we can prosecute and FIRE him for his fraud and treasonous policies and actions, rather than a communist wearing sheep’s clothing defaming the principles of conservatism.
Ignoring this constitutional crisis will not make it go away.
We are doomed if we fail to bring Obama to justice.
IF Alan West is on the ticket then I’ll vote Mitt.
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience [has] shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” —Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:429
“Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery.” —Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. (*) ME 1:193, Papers 1:125
“When patience has begotten false estimates of its motives, when wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality.” —Thomas Jefferson to M. deStael, 1807. ME 11:282
“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.” —Thomas Jefferson: his motto.
“If ever there was a holy war, it was that which saved our liberties and gave us independence.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1813. ME 13:430
“The oppressed should rebel, and they will continue to rebel and raise disturbance until their civil rights are fully restored to them and all partial distinctions, exclusions and incapacitations are removed.” —Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:548
“As revolutionary instruments (when nothing but revolution will cure the evils of the State) [secret societies] are necessary and indispensable, and the right to use them is inalienable by the people.” —Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 1803. FE 8:256
I absolutely loathed McCain. But ultimately he had a few things I could at least hang my hat on, like a handful of conservative positions he was solid on, along with his service record and such. Plus he added Palin to the ticket, which solely energized me towards the 2008 election to levels I hadn’t been at since my days of supporting Reagan.
But Romney? There’s not a single blooming issue I can remotely trust him on. He’s a damned liberal. A damned Massachusetts liberal. And the people and political operatives that have been pushing him for the past few years are the kind of vile, backstabbing scumbags from the GOP-establishment that have been undermining conservatives and the whole Tea Party movement since the beginning.
So Romney is my line in the sand, destined to break my lifelong history of voting exclusively for the GOP nominee. He can go take his slimey liberal record and burn in hell.
There is no GOP-E in conservative.
Willard will take us to hell in third gear. His best buddies will be McInsane and that turd from S. Carolina Lindseed Grahamcracker.
Zero will get us there in Overdrive.
Either way, We are hell bound.
I aint helping.
Maybe you are.
Ideology and Pragmatism certainly aren't mutually exclusive, but Conservatism and Marxism are definitely in direct opposition.
Since the choice we're presented with is between a rabid Marxist bent on destroying our country vs. a political mercenary who is dependent to some degree on conservative support, how would it make sense to return total and complete control to the Marxist to finish his relentless demolition job?
Once Obama's Marxist takeover mission is accomplished, conservatives will have nothing left to conserve.
I’ll grit my teeth and vote for Romney even though it goes against all my principles. The damage he will do to this country pales in comparison to what will happen if the totalitarian Kenyan is re-elected. After 4 more years of Obama there will be no U.S. Constitution or Bill of Rights left.
Many Conservatives on FR do not see things the way you do. Accusations and guilt-placing do not seem to change our minds. Romney doesn’t want Conservatives around him and he will not get this Conservative vote. Of course, neither will O.
Because the primary mission is to remove this regime from power.
My line is: will they keep their oath of office and equally protect the God-given, unalienable rights of the people?
Mitt Romney is so far to the left of that line I can’t even see him.
Most conservatives are pragmatists, not idealists. Being an idealist isn’t necessarily a bad thing ... but, idealists don’t win much. Pragmatists prefer small victories to principled losses — idealists prefer to go down in flames with their principles intact.
In both cases, it is a matter of conscience. To whom do you give the benefit of the doubt? Do you vote for the best you can get, or do you vote for the ideal and let the chips fall?
For most conservatives, the “line” typically ends up being “the most conservative candidate with a chance of winning”. That’ll probably end up being the case this time around.
Romney will make the choice easier if he picks a running mate conservatives can get behind with a clear conscience — like McCain did with Palin. I don’t trust Romney. I trust Coulter a bit more ... I genuinely hope, but doubt, that she’s right about him. I trust several people who have endorsed Romney. I’d trust a Palin-type running mate. Romney’s going to have to earn my trust — and words aren’t going to do it.
I’ve had it with the RINOs. Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party gets my vote.
Romney, AKA Obama’s white half, is dead in the water vs. Obama.
“Explain how and why a second Obama term is the best option?”
I’m not saying it is. I detest him. But, honestly, is Romney any better? The only reason I would even consider voting for Romney is possible SCOTUS judge nominations, but will Romney really nominate conservative judges? I’m not sure of that, and I am really sick and tired of fear voting.
It is possible to exercise option 2 without surrendering anything.
First of all, I know this is not a game. Secondly, I am not a kid. The 0165 pertains to my birth month and year. I am not convinced Romney will nominate conservative judges to SCOTUS.
When will you stop fear voting and stand for something better?
If you really believe that, please share the name and record of a Romeny apointee you believe could serve on the Supreme court.
Actually, if you think about it, somebody who is voting for Romney because "not voting for him is a vote for Obama" IS voting for Romney because he has an "R" after his name. They are assuming - unthinkingly - that the "R" candidate is the only possible candidate who can hope to oppose the "D" candidate.
If all of the conservatives who said "I don't like Romney but we have to vote for him to vote out Obama" would actually vote their conscience and get together behind a credible third party candidate, that third party candidate would have a fair-ro-better chance of winning it all.
That all depends on which day and which way the wind blows.
Calling it ‘expediency’ to vote against retaining a lying bastard and his minions is, well, it’s loading the suicide gun in preparation for a shot regardless of anything, even that which you cannot imagine changing. Milt supported and even worked to pay for the killing of alive unborn children in his state as governor. Voting against retaining the bastard now destroying the entire nation and helping ravage the world (think Islamic spring, summer, fall, and winter) is not voting for Milt’s past evils. Sorry, that is irrational thinking to assert that it is.
Depends on the circumstances. If your State is a forgone conclusion, then you may have the luxury of a symbolic vote.
That said, we will ALWAYS be voting for the “lesser of two evils” and it is naive to think that will ever change.
I see them as the same, but was referencing the topic of this election:
The primary mission in this election is to remove this regime from power.
Not me. Not even it were Palin again.
Um, would you show us a candidate that meets your criteia and has even a long shot at winning, to remove little barry bastard commie and his thugocracy you dislike?
Same question for you:
where do you draw your personal line in the sand
What standard would the main choice for defeating the regime have to reach before you’d pull his/her lever?
I think that is the logical, thinking, assumption. Assuming a third party candidate has a prayer would be the unthinking assumption, IMHO.
Romney/Christie 2012 - 'Cause if you don't, you're a Dimwit!
Interesting. In your mind, what was it about Ronald Reagan that you found evil?
Then we need to change the process. I propose we run Republican primaries in the order of percent-of-state-population-voting-R-in-the-previous-election. Alabama was 56.8 for McCain - the highest percentage. They go first in the primaries. Next would be Alaska (55.8), Kentucky(54.5), then Texas(53.5). And so forth.
As an Iowan, I have the 'most to lose' in that we would no longer be 'first'. But we have to do better than we have been.
As for voting for Romney, I probably agree more with your tagline than your post...
No, Mitt Romney is not the perfect conservative candidate, but I WOULD VOTE FOR MR. POTATO HEAD OVER OBAMA!
I don't get that from Romney which is why I can vote for him over Obama any day. He's just another child of wealth and privilige who doesn't know much about life for most private-sector, middle class people. If he's smart, in my opinion, he will turn to the right and offer an alternative to Obama and his legions. If he's not smart, and I'm not sure that he is, then Obama will most likely win.
I’m with PeteB570. Road kill > Obama. It is binary.
So you are voting for a guy who voted for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House.
Truly, you might benefit from taking a fresh, new, closer look at Willard Romney. Somehow, I think you have missed seeing him so far.
The GOP-e threw away the Christian vote PERIOD.
After many months of conservatives’ warning the GOP-e about the consequences of nominating Romney, lo and behold, he’s getting nominated anyway. Romney has no base... no discernible core values, and policy positions that are all over the political map. Remember... Etch-a-Sketch???
And now, somehow WE’RE the “bad guys” for not supporting him...
If all those, that you supported (Newt or whoever else) are now supporting Romney, what does that say about you and what you believed about those you supported? Drawing a line in the sand simply limits your warfare options...
If all of the conservatives who said “I don't like Romney but we have to vote for him to vote out Obama” would actually vote their conscience and get together behind a credible third party candidate, that third party candidate would have a fair-ro-better chance of winning it all.
I wish people would consider it more carefully. The reasoning goes like this “Nobody will ever vote for a third party candidate, therefore I shouldn't throw away my vote.” Under normal circumstances, where the grievances between the parties are often small and do not contain a broad based appeal to the voters, such thinking is correct. However, we now face a different position; one where the third party could contrast with both party's candidates on almost every major issue. Is it likely to succeed, obviously not; but the people of this country specialize in doing the unlikely if not the impossible. Why give up just because you've decided it can't work. It can't if everyone thinks that; but what if they didn't?
Now might be the time for change we can believe in. Let's face it, a third candidate is still anybody but Obama.
Cute, but stupid.
Reelecting Obama with a veto proof Congress will guarantee his impeachment. Romney as POTUS will perpetuate the march of Marxism.
If we cannot have a genuinely conservative president with a commitment to restore Constitutional government we are better off with a sworn enemy. Obama is the enemy. Romney is a coward.