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Cut world population and redistribute resources, expert urges (Says Stanford Prof. Paul Ehrlich)
The Guardian ^ | 04/26/2012 | John Vidal

Posted on 04/26/2012 12:06:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The world's most renowned population analyst has called for a massive reduction in the number of humans and for natural resources to be redistributed from the rich to the poor.

Paul Ehrlich, Bing professor of population studies at Stanford University in California and author of the best-selling Population Bomb book in 1968, goes much further than the Royal Society in London which this morning said that physical numbers were as important as the amount of natural resources consumed.

The optimum population of Earth – enough to guarantee the minimal physical ingredients of a decent life to everyone – was 1.5 to 2 billion people rather than the 7 billion who are alive today or the 9 billion expected in 2050, said Ehrlich in an interview with the Guardian.

"How many you support depends on lifestyles. We came up with 1.5 to 2 billion because you can have big active cities and wilderness. If you want a battery chicken world where everyone has minimum space and food and everyone is kept just about alive you might be able to support in the long term about 4 or 5 billion people. But you already have 7 billion. So we have to humanely and as rapidly as possible move to population shrinkage."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: lifehate; overpopulation; paulehrlich; population; populationcontrol; redistribution
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1 posted on 04/26/2012 12:06:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Before we can do this, shouldn’t we be led to elect leaders who would put policies in place to effect this?

Oh wait, I guess we did.


2 posted on 04/26/2012 12:07:54 PM PDT by C210N (Go Newt!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Didn’t this egghead predict we’d all be dead by now?


3 posted on 04/26/2012 12:08:13 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: SeekAndFind

Id start with all those here that can’t support themselves all welfare recipients and people on the government teat report for extermination


4 posted on 04/26/2012 12:10:14 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: SeekAndFind

It sounds like the old Nazi is advocating genocide. I think we’ve already dealt with that back in the 30s and 40s.


5 posted on 04/26/2012 12:11:37 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the 47% to start paying their "fair share" of income taxes.)
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To: SeekAndFind

.
The Stockpile Song

Take the flag down from the place
where it led the human race.
Run up U.N. white and blue.
That’s what your “leaders” want to do.
They don’t seem to understand
we are a patriotic band.
So spread the word across the land
and stockpile weapons while you can.

Public schools were first to go.
They’re run by leftists as you know.
So school your children safe at home
far from the propaganda zone.
For they don’t want to understand
we are a family loving band.
So spread the word around the land
and stockpile knowledge while you can.

Stage and screen and on T.V.
they’re mocking God in all we see.
They may close your church some day
but they can’t stop us when we pray.
For they refuse to understand
we are a Jesus loving band.
So spread the word across the land
and stockpile Bibles while you can.

Somewhere there near your hometown
professor’s robe or judge’s gown,
there is a leftist who must go.
So lock and load and let them know.
For time will come they’ll understand
we are a patriotic band.
So spread the word across the land
and stockpile weapons while you can.


6 posted on 04/26/2012 12:13:23 PM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: SeekAndFind

If he really believes what he’s saying, he’d set a good example by snuffing himself first.


7 posted on 04/26/2012 12:13:36 PM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: Touch Not the Cat

Wow! Great ditty! A keeper!


8 posted on 04/26/2012 12:15:43 PM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: SeekAndFind

Wonder what value house this “intellectual” lives in? And how much is his retirement account(s)?

I bet it’s high enough that he could easily subdivide it and offer rent-free to the poor . . . or sell it and “redistribute” the proceeds.

Allowing for his little one room place, of course along with minimal subsistence. After all that’s what he wants for the rest of us poor slobs.


9 posted on 04/26/2012 12:15:43 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: SeekAndFind
"Most of the predictions [in Population Bomb] have proved correct. At that time I wrote about climate change. We did not know then if it was warming or cooling.

Does this turdball have any idea how little credibility he has? Are people actually BUYING this sh*t???

10 posted on 04/26/2012 12:15:53 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Virgil Goode 2012.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Put a bullet in your head, Paul, and then I might be impressed with your commitment on this issue.


11 posted on 04/26/2012 12:17:00 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: SeekAndFind
So we have to humanely and as rapidly as possible move to population shrinkage."

And the measures to be undertaken to achieve that end would be...?

12 posted on 04/26/2012 12:19:24 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Virgil Goode 2012.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“We came up with 1.5 to 2 billion because you can have big active cities and wilderness”

If you look at Agenda 21 and how they plan to make Living Zones and Wilderness Zones don’t think for 1 second that these people are not serious.

Mel


13 posted on 04/26/2012 12:19:36 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

A little history will help us remember who Paul Ehrlich is....

Julian L. Simon and Paul Ehrlich entered in a famous wager in 1980, betting on a mutually agreed-upon measure of resource scarcity over the decade leading up to 1990. Simon had Ehrlich choose five commodity metals. Copper, chromium, nickel, tin, and tungsten were chosen and Simon bet that their prices would decrease, while Ehrlich bet they would increase. Ehrlich ultimately lost the bet, and all five commodities that were selected as the basis for the wager continued to trend downward during the wager period.

In 1968, Ehrlich published The Population Bomb, which argued that mankind was facing a demographic catastrophe with the rate of population growth quickly outstripping growth in the supply of food and resources. Simon was highly skeptical of such claims, so proposed a wager, telling Ehrlich to select any raw material he wanted and select “any date more than a year away,” and Simon would bet that the commodity’s price on that date would be lower than what it was at the time of the wager.

Ehrlich and his colleagues (including John Holdren, later an advisor to President Barack Obama for Science and Technology) picked five metals that they thought would undergo big price increases: chromium, copper, nickel, tin, and tungsten. Then, on paper, they bought $200 worth of each, for a total bet of $1,000, using the prices on September 29, 1980, as an index. They designated September 29, 1990, 10 years hence, as the payoff date. If the inflation-adjusted prices of the various metals rose in the interim, Simon would pay Ehrlich the combined difference. If the prices fell, Ehrlich et al. would pay Simon.

Between 1980 and 1990, the world’s population grew by more than 800 million, the largest increase in one decade in all of history. But by September 1990, the price of each of Ehrlich’s selected metals had fallen. Chromium, which had sold for $3.90 a pound in 1980, was down to $3.70 in 1990. Tin, which was $8.72 a pound in 1980, was down to $3.88 a decade later.

As a result, in October 1990, Paul Ehrlich mailed Julian Simon a check for $576.07 to settle the wager in Simon’s favor.

Julian Simon died in 1998 ( He and Ehrlich are the same age ). But Paul Ehrlich is still alive (now 80 years old ) to annoy us.


14 posted on 04/26/2012 12:20:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Export all libs to the Middle East, Zimbabwe or Cuba


15 posted on 04/26/2012 12:21:34 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Huskrrrr
Not only are we dead but India and China were collapsed into chaos forty years ago. We "triaged" them and isolated them from the rest of the world so their teeming hordes wouldn't over run the "developed" world.

Yup, them Stanford perfessers sure do know their stuff.

16 posted on 04/26/2012 12:25:11 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SeekAndFind

How wrong do you have to be before someone considers you an expert?


17 posted on 04/26/2012 12:28:04 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

He should start in China and leave the rest of us alone.


18 posted on 04/26/2012 12:34:52 PM PDT by x_plus_one (Jihad is an institution inherent to the Islamic system itself; a permanent religious obligation)
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Paul Ehrlich had died. How old is he? 120?


19 posted on 04/26/2012 12:43:01 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: SeekAndFind
The only way I was able to survive the great starvation of the 1980s was by eating remaindered copies of the Population Bomb.
20 posted on 04/26/2012 12:46:17 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: WashingtonSource

Paul Ehrlich: Getting Everything Wrong Since 1968, yet it does not stop him from getting tenure at Stanford and honorariums at dozens of other major universities.


21 posted on 04/26/2012 12:46:32 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: WashingtonSource

RE: I thought Paul Ehrlich had died. How old is he? 120?

The man was born in 1932, which makes him 80 this year. He wrote his scare mongering book -— THE POPULATION BOMB when he was in his mid 30’s.


22 posted on 04/26/2012 12:48:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

And God said Gen 9:7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.


23 posted on 04/26/2012 12:51:00 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: SeekAndFind
The single best way to curb world population growth, would be to end all immigration to Europe, N. America, and Australia. Without immigration, the populations in those areas would be shrinking. Meanwhile, the populations in 3rd world countries are exploding. Immigration to 1st world countries provides a safety valve for the growing populations in the 3rd world. Without that safety valve, 3rd world nations would have to face up to their population problems, rather than dumping them on the 1st world nations.

It's always struck me as insane that 1st world “progressives” are in favour of reduced populations, and using immigration to increase populations. The same people hold these conflicting views. At the same time. They also hold the view that they are enlightened.

24 posted on 04/26/2012 12:54:27 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure let’s start with the Islamic countries and Africa first....oh that isn’t the idea huh just white populations?


25 posted on 04/26/2012 12:58:26 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SeekAndFind

It is important for people to be able to refute such dangerous nonsense, and one of the primary tools is Austrian Economics and understanding the blessings of liberty. It is also essential to understand why socialism and collectivism is dangerous to liberty and prosperity, for you will not have to scratch Ehrlic’s skin very deep before you see the deep red color of a person willing to see people dead in on order to implement what he advocates. Such people have the blood of millions of Chinese second children on their hands.


26 posted on 04/26/2012 1:00:55 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: SeekAndFind

That policy is already being carried out here. What else is new?


27 posted on 04/26/2012 1:03:01 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Didn’t Ehrlich lose bet to Julian Simon about this? Now that Simon is dead, Ehrlich tries to propose Population Bomb II ?


28 posted on 04/26/2012 1:04:09 PM PDT by paudio (no tagline for now...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s start by cutting his life and redistributing his stuff.


29 posted on 04/26/2012 1:06:04 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: bopdowah

If he really believes what he’s saying, he’d set a good example by snuffing himself first.

***

“In chess, you let the PAWNS go first!!”
- Magneto


30 posted on 04/26/2012 1:07:24 PM PDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ehrlich is still around ?


31 posted on 04/26/2012 1:10:28 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Well, we could ask the same question of Jimmy Carter...


32 posted on 04/26/2012 1:12:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: paudio

RE: Didn’t Ehrlich lose bet to Julian Simon about this?

See Post #14 above.


33 posted on 04/26/2012 1:13:17 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Dang, just when the government is trying to eliminate the term lunatic from regulations.


34 posted on 04/26/2012 1:13:45 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: SeekAndFind

Population control was real big with liberals in the 50s and 60s. As soon as it became apparent that the 3rd world countries were the source of almost all the real population growth, you suddenly didn’t hear much about it anymore. The idea that a non-white, non-Western group of individuals could possibly be source of any problem was view as racist, and liberals immediately move the issue to the back burner.

A few years back the Sierra Club started talkng again about the need to limit the population of the U.S., but when they discovered that a major source of the population growth was latin immigrants (and illegal immigrants at that), they dropped the issue like a hot potato. This issue just isn’t going anywhere unless liberals can find a way to blame the problem on the Western nations.


35 posted on 04/26/2012 1:14:55 PM PDT by Stevenc131
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To: ScottinVA

And who decides which people are unnecessary?


36 posted on 04/26/2012 1:20:57 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: SeekAndFind
Dear Paul,

Please ... demonstrate your dedication to the cause.

Drink hemlock.

Sincerely,

-A. Bustard

37 posted on 04/26/2012 1:24:11 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ehrlich was Jimmah Cahtah before Jimmah.


38 posted on 04/26/2012 1:44:53 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SeekAndFind
Ehrlich still refuses to admit that he was wrong:

Also, his obsession with "natural resources" is ridiculous. North Korea and South Korea have the same natural resources. The real reason that South Korea is rich while North Korea has famine is because of their differing legal, economic, political, and social systems and institutions.

39 posted on 04/26/2012 1:51:35 PM PDT by grundle
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To: SeekAndFind
a massive reduction in the number of humans and for natural resources to be redistributed from the rich to the poor.

Libtard anti-man, anti-reason mentality. The supply of natural resources that are economically available for human use are a product of human reason and its product, knowledge and its corollary, capital accumulation.A policy of seizing the wealth of capitalists, to improve the consumption of the masses, is actually a policy of capital decumulation, which must destroy the foundations of the productivity of labor and thus real wages and the standard of living of the average wage earner.

40 posted on 04/26/2012 1:59:40 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: SeekAndFind

I was tempted to post a smarta$$ call for volunteers to begin depopulation at Stanford, but I think maybe God will take care of excess people. I can’t enable space travel, for example, but He can, if that’s what’s needed.


41 posted on 04/26/2012 2:06:27 PM PDT by Grampa3711 (Some people bring happiness wherever thet go; others, whenever.)
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To: al baby

I would ask all those who are truly worried that the Earth is over-populated to sacrifice themselves to save the planet.

For those of us who believe that Earth was created for us, we and our progeny will continue to live and thrive.


42 posted on 04/26/2012 2:27:23 PM PDT by tiki
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To: C210N

Easy how this fascist says : Cut the world’s population.

What a terrifying man.


43 posted on 04/26/2012 2:36:07 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: kalee
And who decides which people are unnecessary?

Why, the people who are smart enough to recognize there is a crisis, of course. And that you're causing it.

44 posted on 04/26/2012 2:45:35 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Chickensoup

In a nutshell he is saying we must kill 5 billion to save 2 billion in a worthwhile living environment. Oh and the 2 billion are going to be the least educated, least experienced. Basically a majority of ignorant peasants fit for slave labor and breeding more slaves.


45 posted on 04/26/2012 3:13:22 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: okie01

Exactly, which is why we should demand they answer the questions.
Who are these unnecessary people and who decides? Make them spell it out.


46 posted on 04/26/2012 3:39:23 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Most of the predictions [in Population Bomb] have proved correct. ..."
I'd really like to see an honest scorecard on that point. I don't recall that any of his predicted disasters actually occurred.
47 posted on 04/26/2012 3:48:59 PM PDT by Bob
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-—” I’d really like to see an honest scorecard on that point. I don’t recall that any of his predicted disasters actually occurred——

Julian Simon whipped Enrich’s sorry butt.

That’s why the media ignores Simon’s work.


48 posted on 04/26/2012 3:53:33 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Bob

-—” I’d really like to see an honest scorecard on that point. I don’t recall that any of his predicted disasters actually occurred——

Julian Simon whipped Enrich’s sorry butt.

That’s why the media ignores Simon’s work.


49 posted on 04/26/2012 4:29:25 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: al baby

OK Egghead—Just how you going to do that? Even brutal efforts tried in the past have failed. Anything attempting such things would be worse than Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Castro all put together—Toss in Gengis Khan as well. Sounds go on a class room full of mush headed students—but its all just hate speech.


50 posted on 04/26/2012 4:30:19 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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