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Thinking Can Undermine Religious Faith, Study Finds
LATimes ^ | April 26, 2012 | Amina Khan

Posted on 04/26/2012 9:43:54 PM PDT by Steelfish

Thinking Can Undermine Religious Faith, Study Finds Those who think more analytically are less inclined to be religious believers than are those who tend to follow a gut instinct, researchers conclude.

Those who think more analytically are less inclined to be religious believers than are those who tend to follow a gut instinct, researchers conclude. By Amina Khan, Los Angeles Times April 26, 2012

Scientists have revealed one of the reasons why some folks are less religious than others: They think more analytically, rather than going with their gut. And thinking analytically can cause religious belief to wane — for skeptics and true believers alike.

The study, published in Friday's edition of the journal Science, indicates that belief may be a more malleable feature of the human psyche than those of strong faith may think.

The cognitive origins of belief — and disbelief — traditionally haven't been explored with academic rigor, said lead author Will Gervais, a social psychologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada.

"There's been a long-standing intellectual tradition of treating science as one thing and religion as separate, and never the twain shall meet," he said. But in recent years, he added, there has been a push "to understand religion and why our species has the capacity for religion."

According to one theory of human thinking, the brain processes information using two systems. The first relies on mental shortcuts by using intuitive responses — a gut instinct, if you will — to quickly arrive at a conclusion. The other employs deliberative analysis, which uses reason to arrive at a conclusion.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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1 posted on 04/26/2012 9:43:58 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Pure propaganda. The greatest scientific minds have been among the most religious.


2 posted on 04/26/2012 9:47:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Steelfish

What exactly do they think theology is? A series of “gut feelings” that just happened to be codified and studied ad infinitum for the past several thousand years?


3 posted on 04/26/2012 9:49:13 PM PDT by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: Steelfish
Thinking Can Undermine Religious Faith, Study Finds

Only if you're muslim, mormon or a tree hugging liberal.

4 posted on 04/26/2012 9:50:37 PM PDT by dragonblustar (PETA. President Eating Tasty Animals)
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To: Steelfish

I am sure this “study” had an outcome before it had a methodology.


5 posted on 04/26/2012 9:50:47 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: Steelfish

Thinking undermines Atheism.


6 posted on 04/26/2012 9:51:42 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Steelfish

More secularist twaddle.


7 posted on 04/26/2012 9:53:11 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Steelfish

Thinking can undermine faith if people forget that in His Own Word God tells us that now we see through a glass darkly. We aren’t meant to know the meaning of every mystery now, we’re told this. When people get hung up on thinking they have to “prove” their faith either to others or themselves, they are forgetting this important thing. It wouldn’t be called “faith” if it was supposed to be proveable on a scientific standard at all times. Though science is interestingly enough proving to uphold many events of the Bible.

Faith can’t be proven. Science is already leading us down many ethical conundrums through discoveries that have both positive and negative possibilities, morally speaking. (Though I really believe an earlier time of more common sense and less PC would have known better how to deal with these matters).


8 posted on 04/26/2012 9:53:17 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Steelfish

Such a crock... and very poorly written.


9 posted on 04/26/2012 9:54:03 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Steelfish
Additional discussion can be found here.
10 posted on 04/26/2012 9:55:18 PM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Steelfish; windcliff; stylecouncilor

Thinking only increases my faith. The more one knows of true science, and the monumental struggle with microbes and their collective intelect, the more one realizes that biology, and existence is so much deeper than the self.

To God the Glory....


11 posted on 04/26/2012 9:55:27 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Gator113

The authors need to ask Aquinas and Benedict XVI about serious thinking.


12 posted on 04/26/2012 9:58:15 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
It's easy to lose perspective within one’s own thoughts. The focus is temporary, like everything else.

Just copy and pasting my last comment to this.
13 posted on 04/26/2012 9:59:27 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Steelfish

The devil will test your faith. It’s up to you in the end, though.


14 posted on 04/26/2012 10:01:09 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Steelfish; xzins; wmfights; wagglebee

This lady apparently comes from a Muslim background. Thinking will clearly undermine the faith of a Muslim.

Anyone who has read Issac Newton, Tomas Aquinas, Augustine or John Calvin will have to admit that these guys were probably among the deepest thinkers in world history. Their faith was bolstered by thinking.

Christianity is a thinking man’s religion.


15 posted on 04/26/2012 10:08:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: mrsmel
Faith can’t be proven.

These guys, Lee Strobel and Josh McDowell, both go a long way toward that end. Sometime check out their works. I recommend The Case for a Creator and Evidence that Demands a Verdict.

16 posted on 04/26/2012 10:09:58 PM PDT by Zakeet (Obama loves to wok dogs)
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To: Steelfish

Well...Duh!


17 posted on 04/26/2012 10:13:26 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Steelfish
Of course, analytical thinking gets people to quit reading the LA Times, too.

In fact, my own analytical mind pulled my brain out my own "L.A." some time ago.

Back to re-reading the Good News. After that, some star gazing... and I don't mean Hollywood.

18 posted on 04/26/2012 10:17:42 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: Steelfish

Because everyone knows that secular people are all so very clever. Isn’t that so, Mr Gore?


19 posted on 04/26/2012 10:20:42 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Zakeet

I don’t say Biblical events, principles, and prophecy (especially that which has already occurred, he) can’t be proved, only that faith can’t necessarily and needn’t be proven. It can’t be proven that faith in Jesus’ sacrifice to save us from sin is sufficient, but having first, faith that He is the Son of God, and second, faith that His Blood IS sufficient, I believe is sufficient to my salvation. The hows and wherefores and whys of that I see through a glass darkly, along with other mysteries such as the Second Coming and the Rapture, Hell, etc, but God says I’ll see later. That’s good enough for me.

I AM glad that science has been able to shore up many of the events and stories of Biblical history.


20 posted on 04/26/2012 10:23:54 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Zakeet

Of course the things that are beyond my knowledge, whether scientifically proven or still a mystery (such as the miracles Jesus performed), I do what Jesus said-have the faith of a little child-utterly trusting Him-or as a mustard seed-still trusting Him, though doubting myself or others.


21 posted on 04/26/2012 10:27:27 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: mrsmel

By nature...by definition...how much of the nature of the creation would we be capable of understanding? If “our ways are not your ways”...when sent, was it to be disregarded?

It will be this way. Choose wisely.


22 posted on 04/26/2012 10:32:44 PM PDT by blackd77
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To: Steelfish

Note duplicate thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2876998/posts


23 posted on 04/26/2012 10:34:26 PM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: Steelfish

Thinking deminished my adherence to religious dogma, but vastly improved my relationship with my Savior.


24 posted on 04/26/2012 10:39:29 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: blackd77

That’s what I mean-we’ve already been told by God more than once in various verses that we’re not meant to know the whole truth while we’re here. Eve wanted to know everything which God knew by eating from the fruit of the tree of knowledge after God Himself forbade it. I think God has a reason for denying us “the whole truth” before Heaven-he doesn’t wanted us to be tempted that we’re equal with Him. That was Lucifer’s mistake.

Of course, He gave us a mind to know all that we’re meant to know while here, and it already seems a lot, with so much more to know. But there’s just that bit He’s keeping back-as I say, I believe mostly things like Jesus’ miracles, the mysteries of Revelations, the Rapture, things like that-because we’re human, we can’t handle knowing every last thing while we”re still here in the old bodies of flesh.


25 posted on 04/26/2012 10:42:49 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Steelfish

There is a difference between wisdom and intelligence. Trained ability in math and science does not endow a person with the ability to put it all together. A person can be educated well beyond their intelligence.


26 posted on 04/26/2012 10:44:08 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: Steelfish

Amina Khan. LOL!


27 posted on 04/26/2012 10:44:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the 47% to start paying their "fair share" of income taxes.)
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To: verklaring

Apologies- Didn’t see this.


28 posted on 04/26/2012 10:47:59 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish


Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.
29 posted on 04/26/2012 10:48:24 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: Steelfish

Not a problem. The discussion is worthwhile. Having it in one thread better serves the purpose.


30 posted on 04/26/2012 11:07:00 PM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: Steelfish

From 1965....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Az0okaHig&feature=youtu.be


31 posted on 04/26/2012 11:10:18 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: dog breath
There is a difference between wisdom and intelligence. Trained ability in math and science does not endow a person with the ability to put it all together. A person can be educated well beyond their intelligence.

This is very confusing. First, you attribute ability in math and science to "training", and deprecate it as such. Then you say we can be educated beyond our intelligence! Isn't education training? What are you trying to say?

32 posted on 04/26/2012 11:35:56 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Steelfish

what a stupid article.

Everyone has a religion, even if it doesn’t LOOK like what we would normally call a religion. Whether its global warming, worship of big government or vain worship of their own bodies, there is always a ‘religion’ of some kind.


33 posted on 04/26/2012 11:39:53 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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“There’s been a long-standing intellectual tradition of treating science as one thing and religion as separate, and never the twain shall meet,” he said.


This is untrue. History is filled with great scientists who were also Christian. Science still has plenty of people who have faith.

These atheists do not comprehend faith and the realm of human existence it serves - spirit. They think they are the experts on human existence but they only acknowledge the material. That is like the sand thinking it is the cement. I guess they believe art comes out of thinking, too. And love comes out of thinking. Compassion and empathy comes out of thinking. The inspiration of art and music must come out of thinking...

I would never want to live in an atheist’s body if they are this shallow and hollow.


34 posted on 04/26/2012 11:58:29 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Bookmark for later.


35 posted on 04/27/2012 12:01:11 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Steelfish
Trayvon! What were you thinking? Use your gut, for heaven's sake!
36 posted on 04/27/2012 12:22:28 AM PDT by Misterioso ( “Talking about music is like dancing about architecture.” Thelonious Monk)
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"Thinking Can Undermine Religious Faith, Study Finds"

I think she meant to say "cult" instead of "Religious Faith"

Cult people do not think, they obey.

Disclaimer: I've never been in a cult so I'm just assuming about the non thinking

37 posted on 04/27/2012 12:27:38 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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I only got sneakers on and this article is full of Poooo !


38 posted on 04/27/2012 1:11:34 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: lurk

Imagine how many brilliant geniuses will eventually “think” themselves right into eternal damnation.

Scary.


39 posted on 04/27/2012 1:40:18 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: Steelfish
Materialism is true because it is true. Evidence that seems to contradict it, is either misreported, misunderstood, or somehow does not contradict it. Philosophical proofs that it is not true, are not to be thought about too much, and the great thinkers on such subjects are not to be read or listened too. We must continue to assume, assume, assume, and assume that materialism is true...because this shows how smart we are.</satire>
40 posted on 04/27/2012 2:44:47 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Steelfish
The prime way most people define ‘analytical thinking’ is that the conclusions match their own.
41 posted on 04/27/2012 2:49:43 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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Thinking undermines Atheism.

But the best of all is to let him read no science but to give him a grand general idea that he knows it all and that everything he happens to have picked up in casual talk and reading is "the results of modern investigation'. Do remember you are there to fuddle him. From the way some of you young fiends talk, anyone would suppose it was our job to teach!

--from the Screwtape Letters, intercepted from the infernal postal service by CS Lewis

42 posted on 04/27/2012 2:54:49 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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Imagine how many brilliant geniuses will eventually “think” themselves right into eternal damnation.

Rationalize themselves there yes...but honest thought has a tendency to validate the existence of a transcendent self existent moral God if carried all the way through to the logical end.

43 posted on 04/27/2012 3:06:30 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Prospero
Of course, analytical thinking gets people to quit reading the LA Times, too.

LOL! Well said!

44 posted on 04/27/2012 3:10:26 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Steelfish
Not true. I can count for it personally. I'm of an analytical bent of mind and logically to me religion makes sense. You cannot prove there is no God (I don't buy the Jainist view). And extending that, since there is a God or a creative force, is it an impersonal 'force' or is He a being? Logically it holds to the latter in terms of interactions.

Extending it further, the only religions I see that do not have inherent contradictions are Christianity and Zoroastrianism. Out of this Catholicism is the most logical to my mind.

there are also simple believing Catholics and to them, Catholicism is the most emotionally bringing them closer to God -- God is God of emotion, logic etc. etc.

45 posted on 04/27/2012 3:12:07 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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"...honest thought has a tendency to validate the existence of a transcendent self existent moral God if carried all the way through to the logical end"

Well said.

I sometimes think,or rather feel,that I was tricked and now that carnal mind and it's thinking seem to wander endlessly about looking for a way out.To be carnally minded is indeed death.

He must increase and I must decrease.

46 posted on 04/27/2012 3:19:53 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: AndyTheBear

Most of the ones I know will not make it through the brick wall they’ve carefully erected.

I guess I’m a simpleton.

I can sit and watch a colony of ants carrying on their daily business and see God’s hand at work.

I just don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.

:)


47 posted on 04/27/2012 3:54:12 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: Steelfish

LOL

Tell it to Sir Issac Newton. Probably the greatest scientist who ever lived who in fact spent more time studying and commenting on the Bible (over a million words of commentary) than on scientific research.


48 posted on 04/27/2012 4:07:07 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: Steelfish

Faith is EVIDENCE of things unseen.

Analytical thinking provides that evidence.


49 posted on 04/27/2012 4:19:10 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Steelfish
FLAWED Thinking Can Undermine Religious Faith, Study Finds
50 posted on 04/27/2012 4:56:48 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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