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ATF: 68,000 Guns Recovered in Mexico Trace to US
Epoch Times ^ | April 26, 2012 | Alex Johnston

Posted on 04/26/2012 10:33:36 PM PDT by neverdem

Mexican authorities have recovered around 68,000 guns that traced back to the United States in the past five years, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) said on Thursday.

“Since 2007, trace data shows a trend in recovered and submitted crime guns from Mexico shifting from pistols and revolvers to rifles,” the ATF said in a statement.

The agency added that reports from officials in Mexico show “certain types of rifles, such as the AK and AR variants with detachable magazines, are used more frequently to commit violent crime by drug trafficking organizations.”

The ATF said it was able to trace back 68,000 of more than 99,000 guns that were submitted by Mexican authorities.

Mexican officials in the past have complained that drug cartels often wind up with U.S.-sourced guns in their bloody wars against each other and the army.

Related Articles Mexico Seizes Massive Cache of Ammo Coming From US

At least 47,000 people have been killed in the conflict since President Felipe Calderon directed the army to act against cartels in 2006.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; borderwars; corruption; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; govtabuse; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama; undertheradar
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To: concerned about politics
It's just something you shouldn't do.

I don't agree. I think anyone who isn't in jail or on parole should be able to buy a gun if they want one. Mexicans too. If you misuse it go to jail or worse, but enough of this prior restraint.

51 posted on 04/27/2012 7:40:33 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: ZULU
The Founding Fathers would be horrified at the massive police state we have allowed to be created.

Imagine trying to tell THEM what kind of lighting they have to use, or where they're allowed to talk about the Bible. Or that they have to get government permission to build another little shed on their property! Imagine telling THEM they're no longer allowed to hunt for food or fish without government permission, a document, and a fee that would cost them more than a weeks worth of groceries !! Picture them being told they MUST allow homos (who they gave the death penalty) special rights and privileges above the normal family. Think about how they'd react if the government stole half their wages at the point of a gun - and then used their wages to buy power and privilege for themselves by giving it away to freeloaders and foreigners!

I think our founding fathers would be fighting a war of Independence. They'd be demanding their God given right to be free.

52 posted on 04/27/2012 7:42:35 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: from occupied ga
Oh, I agree. Like I said, though, it's like sending a truck load of arms into inner city Chicago and just passing them out like candy. Nothing good could come from that. (How many honest, upright American citizens are you going to find in inner city Chicago? The place is more like a criminal enterprise.)
53 posted on 04/27/2012 7:58:30 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Zhang Fei

The US govt gave and sold a boatload of weapons to the Mexican Federales over at least a 20 year period to bolster the Mexican military. They have a high rate of desertion and when they go over the fence the soldiers take every piece of gear they have. A good number of these folks have joined the drug cartels and they are using these weapons. Of course the BATFE isn’t going to tell you that.


54 posted on 04/27/2012 8:02:40 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MestaMachine

Can’t wait for the day Eric Holder rots in a prison cell along with his boss who gave him the OK...


55 posted on 04/27/2012 8:15:12 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Bulls!!! Go White Sox!!!)
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To: from occupied ga

Gun ownership in Canada is very common. Non US residents are prohibited from possessing firearms and/or ammunition while in the US unless they obtain a waiver.


56 posted on 04/27/2012 8:19:04 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: neverdem
If there was a huge cache of guns being smuggled into Mexico then Holder's fingerprints must be all over them.

When profiteers used to get caught smuggling guns to the American Indians, they'd go to jail or most likely hang.

When incompetent, leftwing race pimps do it, they get promoted to head the DOJ.

57 posted on 04/27/2012 8:21:37 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Carry_Okie

>it’s amazing they’ve been able to keep the wraps on that data for so long.

I truly do not understand why our so called majority in the US House does not make this a priority this election season.

It is an easily understood crime that the voting sheep need waved under their noses. There is enough provable 0bama crimes
that we should be making hay by the square mile.


58 posted on 04/27/2012 8:42:25 AM PDT by soycd
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To: BillM
Gun ownership in Canada is very common.

And yet the majority of canadian voters repeatedly support anti-gun politicians. And there is of course the failed farcial and very expensive long gun registry.

59 posted on 04/27/2012 8:44:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

That long gun registry is no longer. Our conservative government killed it. A substantial majority of Canadians wanted it gone!


60 posted on 04/27/2012 8:55:28 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: Dengar01

Yeah. Just like the clintons.
Oh, wait!


61 posted on 04/27/2012 9:02:23 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: concerned about politics

“I think our founding fathers would be fighting a war of Independence. They’d be demanding their God given right to be free.”

Demand all you want. The Founders ACTED on their demands. Who is gonna do that today? Name somebody.


62 posted on 04/27/2012 9:07:18 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: BIGLOOK

I’m hoping the family of Brian Terry is able to get justice - including for the truth of Fast & Furious to be out there as all these folks are FORCED to stand before a jury and judge, including Eric Holder and all his goons who have obstructed justice on this issue. There’s a civil lawsuit and I doubt the family will settle out of court for money; I think their goal is to get the truth out there and get rid of these thugs so this doesn’t happen again.


63 posted on 04/27/2012 9:08:48 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: from occupied ga; MestaMachine

The difference being that many of these 68,000 guns were undoubtedly supplied by the 0bama administration specifically to take our guns away from us. Among other criminal objectives.


64 posted on 04/27/2012 10:26:57 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: BillM
But stuff like this still happens.

I can go to a gun shop this afternoon and come home with a handgun the same day without filling out any permits etc. ahead of time. I can go to Walmart and buy as much ammunition as I want without any permits etc. Can any Canadian say the same?

65 posted on 04/27/2012 10:28:29 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: neverdem

Much more here:

ATF Death Watch 145: Lies, Damned Lies, and Mexican Firearms Confiscation Statistics

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/04/robert-farago/atf-death-watch-145-lies-damned-lies-and-mexican-firearms-confiscation-statistics/#more-130387


66 posted on 04/27/2012 11:32:07 AM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: EdReform
"68,000 GUNS in Mexico traced to ATF INEPTITUDE and typical ATF illegal criminal activity"
67 posted on 04/27/2012 11:34:29 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Erik Latranyi
I left a comment after the article that the omission of the Obama Administration intentionally selling tens of thousands of firearms to drug cartels is a derelection of journalistic integrity.

I went there to view your comment.

Of course, it's not there.

They do not WANT any "journalistic integrity".

Before this election season is over, they will start printing PROVABLE LIES, and refusing to retract -- instead, they will repeat and amplify the lies.

68 posted on 04/27/2012 11:34:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Admin Moderator refuses to let me hit it. -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2875871/posts)
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To: neverdem
How many came from the U.S. gov't?

That's the elephant in the room...

69 posted on 04/27/2012 3:45:15 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: neverdem
ATF Publishes Misleading Trace Data From Mexico
April 27, 2012 | Katie Pavlich

Fast and Furious; 0bama's Bloodiest Scandal and its Shameless Cover-Up.
Video interview with author/journalist Katie Pavlich.


70 posted on 04/27/2012 5:25:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

When I was serving, lo these many years ago, M-1 carbines and mortars of 60 and 81mm cailbers were commonly used in covert operations by US and indigenous troops because, while obviously of US manufacture, were in such widespread use the world over, it was impossible to trace where a given weapon had come from.
Additionally, at a gun show (horrors!) I saw a Mauser K98 rifle of WWll vintage, WaffenArmpt stamps and all, that had been captured in Vietnam in 1971.


71 posted on 04/27/2012 5:27:38 PM PDT by JayVee (Joseph)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for the links.


72 posted on 04/27/2012 6:20:55 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

You’re welcome.


73 posted on 04/27/2012 6:34:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: neverdem
I've come to the point where I just cannot simply believe any law enforcement agency of the USA.

They can't follow their own rules (SS), they make up their own illegal operations (Fast and Furious) and cannot be relied upon to tell the truth.

74 posted on 04/27/2012 8:22:15 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: neverdem

All sold by the Feds.


75 posted on 04/27/2012 8:27:58 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: neverdem

The NRA has debunked this urban myth repeatedly. This is nothing but pure Joseph Goebell’s style liberal fascist propaganda.

Open the flood gates to Fast and Furious documents now secreted by Holder. One hears the shredding machines operating at full capacity at the fed DOJ.


76 posted on 04/28/2012 3:50:54 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Mouton

Ever try to get a bunch of guns into Canada?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yep, and I can tell ya in ain’t easy. It took me 8 months to go through the process.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/import-importer-eng.htm


77 posted on 04/28/2012 3:54:09 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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