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Let's put this to bed. We have bigger fish to fry.
April 27, 2012 | 2ndDivisionVet

Posted on 04/27/2012 4:56:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Everyone please send whatever you are able to, whether it is $10, $100 or $1,000+. The DUmmies, Morons, Kos Kiddies and that crew are laughing up their sleeves. Jim may have to make this site members only or allow ads. Better for us to just help with what we can. Maybe you can donate as a memorial for a lost loved one, a servicemember who never made it home or was disabled defending our country. Perhaps you'd like to give to keep free discussion alive and to show them that we're not knuckling under. I'm sure a well thought out or prayerful meditation will lead you to see the need and how you can help. If every registered FReeper and our lurkers would each just help out with a fin or a sawbuck, or better yet a Ben Franklin, we could put this to bed and get on with the conservative cause.


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To: Hawthorn
Hey, let’s face reality for a change:

Such a vote won’t be counted in any meaningful way, because when you vote in a Presidential election, you aren’t actually voting for a candidate. No, you are voting for a slate of ELECTORS who are pledged to a particular candidate.

In other words, unless Sarah Palin in fact has a slate of electors on the ballot in your state (whichever one of the 57 your state may be), there’s no way on earth you can actually vote for Sarah.

It's actually even more hilariously ridiculous really. Palin herself is ABO, will be supporting Romney, will almost certainly campaign for him, speak on his behalf at the convention, etc. So, in effect, some people are declaring their intent to write in a candidate, Sarah Louise Palin, who will be advocating FOR Romney's election - something that is technically banned on this very site on which they post.

And as another poster pointed out, I don't think Sarah would want people canceling out her vote anyway. Palin is ABO, she isn't running for President, she has no slate of electors, writing in her name achieves absolutely nothing and she'd probably be upset that any conservative wasted their vote that way.

1,551 posted on 04/28/2012 9:51:19 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: mylife; dirtboy

I was talking about throwing out platitudes like KMA then claiming you just were supporting your own candidate and being reasonable.

And that is mild compared to the person of whom was mentioned in the previous post. It was so bad at times, that I knew exactly who was being talked about a year later without hesitation even though the name wasn’t spelled out in the post above. Talking to some Perry supporters of Facebook who were also FReepers, they were embarrassed but afraid to say anything because some of the fights at the time were causing zot fests.


1,552 posted on 04/28/2012 9:52:45 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Magic Fingers

RC or Royal Crown Cola is a small independent Cola that is mainly on the west coast and southwest US. Its OK. Was just using it as an analogy of a ‘third position” as opposed to coke and pepsi. Actually I think RC owns the rights to 7UP now...or vice versa.


1,553 posted on 04/28/2012 9:54:43 AM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Honey badger's level of concern is negligible.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; Magic Fingers
RC Cola was a soft drink that was very popular in the early 70's and much better than either Coke or Pepsi, imo. ... I believe it stood for Royal Crown??

And, it was pronounced "Arr-uh See" Cola, at least according to Brother Dave Gardner... /g

1,554 posted on 04/28/2012 9:56:54 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat; Las Vegas Ron

“And, it was pronounced “Arr-uh See” Cola, at least according to Brother Dave Gardner... /g”

You could only pronounce it that way if you were ordering it with a Moon Pie (and I have - lol).


1,555 posted on 04/28/2012 10:00:21 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: tarheelswamprat
And, it was pronounced "Arr-uh See" Cola, at least according to Brother Dave Gardner... /g

WRONG!!! It's pronounced "Arr-uh See" Cola and a Moon Pie." :)

1,556 posted on 04/28/2012 10:00:28 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: dirtboy
many of them played hardball against the other candidates as well.

Gee that's never been done before.

And there is a difference between hardball and jackass.

IMHO Perry was gang raped on this forum.

The charges where ridiculous. Nobody gave a shit about the record or the good fight he had made in the arena. Yes he stumbled due to being in serious pain.

I still to this day would put Rick Perrys record up against any of the be's or wanna be's

Now we are reduced to Romney and Obama and we are being told to not vote for Romney.

Perry has done more since he dropped out of the race to poke Obama in the eye than any candidate running has done during their entire career. That's just a fact. Perry is a thorn in the side of Obamas EPA

1,557 posted on 04/28/2012 10:01:18 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Magic Fingers

Great minds, LOL!


1,558 posted on 04/28/2012 10:01:24 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: SoCalTransplant

10-4, I’m very familiar with RC Cola. My question is (re your analogy), what is the comparable product (i.e., candidate) who is “officially favored” by FR these days? What’s the official “third position”?


1,559 posted on 04/28/2012 10:03:57 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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Maybe if Perry could just learn to "slow jam" the news he would have had a chance /s
1,561 posted on 04/28/2012 10:04:36 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Ah, you’re one of us ;-)


1,562 posted on 04/28/2012 10:04:36 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Totally wrong: It’s R-O-C Cola ‘n’ a Moon Pie. If yer gonna speak southern-country, then speak it grammatically correctly. Thanks.


1,563 posted on 04/28/2012 10:05:14 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: mylife
And there is a difference between hardball and jackass.

Usually in the eye of the beholder.

Your side had plenty of jackasses. You just didn't see them as such because they were YOUR jackasses.

I felt Perry's heart just wasn't into the run the way it had to be. We saw with Fred last time that you have to have the fire in the belly. I don't know why Perry got into the race, but he didn't want it bad enough. It's a sorry statement about what presidential primaries have become, but it's a fact nonetheless.

And Romney won by destroying all alternatives who did not destroy themselves. The GOP-E sat back and let him engage in scorched-earth politics. FR had little to do with the charred remains of the GOP field.

1,564 posted on 04/28/2012 10:07:31 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Servant of the Cross

I dont mean it in anyway to be a criticism of Jim or his stance. He is correct, its his site and if he doesn’t want to have any advocacy for MR on it then thats his call, and I dont begrudge him that.

Its just that it seems kind of pointless to me to say MR is bad, and we all know BO is bad, so lets just rehash how much we hate both and how its a no win choice for the next 6 months. Can he do it with his site? Yes, but I dont see the point. Just say its a no win choice, vote your conscience and having exhausted all possible allowed intelligent discussion on the subject, be done with it.

After the election, I would hope we would all be able to agree that we should pray for whoever is elected, as the Bible tells us to.


1,565 posted on 04/28/2012 10:09:55 AM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Honey badger's level of concern is negligible.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I dont mean it in anyway to be a criticism of Jim or his stance. He is correct, its his site and if he doesn’t want to have any advocacy for MR on it then thats his call, and I dont begrudge him that.

Its just that it seems kind of pointless to me to say MR is bad, and we all know BO is bad, so lets just rehash how much we hate both and how its a no win choice for the next 6 months. Can he do it with his site? Yes, but I dont see the point. Just say its a no win choice, vote your conscience and having exhausted all possible allowed intelligent discussion on the subject, be done with it.

After the election, I would hope we would all be able to agree that we should pray for whoever is elected, as the Bible tells us to.


1,566 posted on 04/28/2012 10:09:59 AM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Honey badger's level of concern is negligible.)
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To: Magic Fingers

Oh, sorry for the confusion. I believe the official position on the presidential race is to vote third party or write in, and focus on electing conservatives to the house and senate. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong on that...at least thats what I understand Jim to say he is doing.


1,567 posted on 04/28/2012 10:12:01 AM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Honey badger's level of concern is negligible.)
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To: Quix

I think that describes the situation perfectly!


1,568 posted on 04/28/2012 10:13:19 AM PDT by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: Magic Fingers

I liked the RC with salted peanuts in it and Im a Yankee by birth.

Never understood that moon pie stuff.

Pepsi(obamas choice) is just to saccharinne.
Coke is good but RC has mo flava


1,569 posted on 04/28/2012 10:14:28 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mel

Thanks for your kind reply.


1,570 posted on 04/28/2012 10:15:37 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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I don’t know about all these things but I sincerely appreciate your telling me your thoughts.

Only thing I can think of to say in return is..

Don’t put your faith in any man because that’s an invitation for hurt and disappointment. There’s none good, no not one. Stay Christlike and do what you know you can and should do; leave the rest to Him. A grin seems to help along the way. A Godly companion or two sure is nice.


1,571 posted on 04/28/2012 10:16:23 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: mylife
There was an entire posse with pinglists that just hounded poor Cincinatis Wife

I was supporting Perry and trying to post in those threads and remember the venom and felt bad for CW too, but this activity was going on at other websites as well. I don't see how it would have even been possible for the admins/mods here to shut this vitriol down without taking absolute draconian measures. Remember, pro-Perry threads can be disrupted without anyone outright hurling insults or something - they can just swarm them and ask one another if they're "heartless" or post long boring screeds or something. When Perry entered the race with money and high poll numbers there was a large wave of hate directed at him on many conservative forums.

This was a unique situation and was a result of Palin's tease campaign. She had a lot of activists/grass roots types of people convinced she was going to run - and those people tend to participate on political forums. They'd been preparing for her entry in the race and Perry looked like he would be her chief conservative rival - so the Palin supporters went to work savaging him. Not blaming Sarah herself, she probably had no idea stuff like that was going on - but her "will I or won't I" tease campaign caused a great deal more damage to this cycles GOP primary process than most people understand. The anti-Perry forum hate was just one effect of it.

1,572 posted on 04/28/2012 10:17:17 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: SoCalTransplant

I believe that Royal Crown now belongs to Wal-Mart.


1,573 posted on 04/28/2012 10:18:08 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: SoCalTransplant

“I believe the official position on the presidential race is to vote third party or write in, and focus on electing conservatives to the house and senate.”

Thanks for the clarification. If that is in fact the official position, then I think you’re exactly right...there’s very little point in discussing the presidential race any further.


1,574 posted on 04/28/2012 10:18:41 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: SoCalTransplant

That’s my take. And other local and State offices.


1,575 posted on 04/28/2012 10:18:48 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: dirtboy

Perry was sadly not at the top of his game when the dice got rolled this time.

I still say his record is stellar compared to the others

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

He aint done


1,576 posted on 04/28/2012 10:18:48 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: adc; dirtboy
“Well, I guess that’s true in a way, if you have reason to believe his current position.”

Dirtboy, I have reason to believe his current position because I have seen and heard first hand many others who have made the same change.

One could make the argument that Mitt's current platform is far more conservative than Obama and that it's worth taking a long-shot chance even though he has a record of being a liberal governor.

That said...

Mitt is a known liar.

In my view Mitt's supposed "conversion" on abortion (and other issues) is a little too late in life for me to believe.

It's still April. Why support him now when his stinky feet need to be held to the fire, every minute of every day?

Too much is at stake this election cycle.

Our choices are terrible.

Myself? I reserve judgement on what I will do in November at this point in time.

1,577 posted on 04/28/2012 10:19:36 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: mylife

“Never understood that moon pie stuff.
Im a Yankee by birth.”

There’s your explanation - lol.
BTW, I like it with salted peanuts as well...I have a gourmet palate ;-).


1,578 posted on 04/28/2012 10:21:32 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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1,579 posted on 04/28/2012 10:23:45 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: mylife
Perry was sadly not at the top of his game when the dice got rolled this time.

Perry got in late. Maybe it does take preparation of years to adequately run for president. Once again, that is a sorry statement about what the process has become. Basically, the most ambitious, the guys you DON'T want having the power, are the ones with the capability to win that power.

I still say his record is stellar compared to the others

All of them have pros and cons, except that Romney is largely a con job.

In primary season, folks take the cons and beat them over the head of the other side repeatedly. That happened with all of the candidates. It can be self-destructive, but, then again, negative campaigning usually works - to a point.

1,580 posted on 04/28/2012 10:23:59 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Magic Fingers

You pour the pack of peanuts in the bottle.


1,581 posted on 04/28/2012 10:24:13 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: dirtboy

Perry’s entry messed up Palin’s plans, whatever they were at that time. We’ll have to wait on the book to know.


1,582 posted on 04/28/2012 10:26:31 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Hadn’t Palin already declared she wasn’t running before Perry came in?

I may be wrong but the two events were very close together. I doubt it had much to do with her decision.


1,583 posted on 04/28/2012 10:30:56 AM PDT by altura (If you are one of the abusers of Rick Perry, don't complain to me about Romney.)
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To: Resettozero

That’s how I did it.


1,584 posted on 04/28/2012 10:31:03 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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1,585 posted on 04/28/2012 10:32:52 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: Resettozero
It's hard to speculate as to what Palin was thinking. I never felt she was going to enter the race, she had already been trashed by the MSM, the Dems and the GOP-E, and her running for president would have triggered a slime avalanche that would have made all that past abuse seem tame by comparison.

And she has a great gig now. Who in their right mind would have entered the race under those circumstances?

It wouldn't surprise me, though, to think that Perry entering the race probably was a factor in her not running, just not a deciding one.

1,586 posted on 04/28/2012 10:33:02 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: FreeReign

Well, remember an earlier post about the ages of the Supreme Court justices.

The next 4 years should see at least two or three gone.

If you are pro life, you don’t want Obama picking any Supremes to give the liberals a majority. We would never get rid of abortion if that happens.


1,587 posted on 04/28/2012 10:33:28 AM PDT by altura (If you are one of the abusers of Rick Perry, don't complain to me about Romney.)
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To: Longbow1969

I am not blaming the management for the what happened on the Perry threads.

I am just pointing out where we are, but Perry got raped while he was not on his best game.

but he aint a quitter and he isnt vindictive.
IMHO he is just what is needed from a POTUS, steadfast.

Many will rip him apart, but the guy is steadfast
Has he made mistakes? Sure!

But 98% of the time he is right on top of what the electorate wants.

The few things he was criticized for like “instate tuition for illegals” where beyond his control. It was unvetoable.

Beyond all that it was an untenable position foisted on the state by the Feds

I find it preposterous that people used that to tear Perry apart. The man was making the case that the Feds were raping the states, but people are so stupid that they declared Perry is the very reason that illegal immigration exists!


1,588 posted on 04/28/2012 10:35:09 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RedMDer

If not now? When?


1,589 posted on 04/28/2012 10:35:56 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: altura

I am indeed an old lady.

I do the ZOT LIGHTNING posts because I usually post pretty pictures that my list members like, and I give them what they want, the zottees’ posting history, and a usually as-clever-as-my-aging-brain-will-allow vituperative excoriation of the zottee(s), and a little parting shot to twist the knife.

If I think that the zot was questionable, I’m kinder and gentler to the zottee, and they are sometimes just suspensions.

As for Wolfstar and sanescold (a list member of mine), didn’t you just get done saying upthread that you agreed Wolfstar was out of line?

Have you checked sanescold’s posting history?

Please remember that I have no say about who gets zotted. None.


1,590 posted on 04/28/2012 10:36:01 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: mylife
IMHO Perry was gang raped on this forum.

Same thing happened to Palin, Bachmann, Cain, Newt and Santorum, except I wouldn't use the term that you did to describe it.

Probably you don't see it that way because Perry was your candidate.

1,591 posted on 04/28/2012 10:38:24 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: humblegunner

LOL! That’s a toe-tapper, and the singer looks so serious. I love the little puppy that mugs for the camera, too.


1,592 posted on 04/28/2012 10:40:37 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: mylife
The few things he was criticized for like “instate tuition for illegals” where beyond his control. It was unvetoable.

Except that Perry didn't just say that. He also called critics of the policy heartless. Which means he agreed with it in his own heart.

That fits into my previous points to you about Perry not being ready for this run. Perry could have positioned his signing of the bill as carrying out the will of his constituents. But by ripping into those nationally who disagreed with the concept, he basically alienated those he needed to sway over to his side, and also showed support for the bill fit in with his own personal beliefs. That was a lethal double-blow from which he never recovered. He hadn't thought that one out, IMO. Which shows a lack of preparation and analysis about the office he was running for.

1,593 posted on 04/28/2012 10:40:57 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mylife
BTTT !

1,594 posted on 04/28/2012 10:42:13 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: FreeReign

Oh I was critical of candidates, but the Perry hate was unreal.


1,595 posted on 04/28/2012 10:42:18 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: TheOldLady

About time this thread got some proper attention.


1,596 posted on 04/28/2012 10:43:04 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (BO Threat Stream: http://blogsofwar.com/threatstream/index_barack_obama.html)
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To: mylife

I agree with your comments. I have pointed out that I don’t think FR’s mods/admins could have done much about it because I saw it happen elsewhere too. And I never even saw the slightest indication that the powers that be on FR were officially anti-Perry in anyway. I just think they got swamped and determined the only thing to do was let the tide of anti-Perry hate wash away over time.

This was a unique situation that had more to do with Palin’s supporters (and there was LOTS of them on forums like this) viewing Perry as her primary conservative opposition. They were sure Sarah was running (her frequent bus tours added to this illusion), so they marched into battle en’masse to destroy Perry and clear the field for their candidate (who ended up letting them all down and not running anyway). Don’t underestimate the impact Sarah’s indecisiveness caused on this GOP primary cycle. It also was a contributing factor for why the conservative base stayed split for long. Imagine if Palin had announced in May she wasn’t running. Perry could have perhaps been stronger and united more of the base, maybe other conservatives might have entered the race, etc. Palin’s shadow over the field, and die hard supporters who refused to consider any other option (some still won’t and many have fantasies she will still “jump in the race”) seriously and adversely effected the GOP primary cycle this time around.


1,597 posted on 04/28/2012 10:48:41 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: TheOldLady
Once you freely give your donation, it is no longer yours to control. FR has no obligation to disclose its financials to any donor, even though the budget is available for perusal on this site from a link on the Donations page.

What I find surprising is the inability of many to understand the difference between what is required by law and what is required to achieve funding. You correctly state that there is no obligation for FR to disclose financials - unless of course enough of its donor base demands it prior to opening their wallets so that the choice is to either become more transparent or cease operations.

In a similar vein, FR is not required to allow posters to speak their mind if doing so is counter to management's views. Unless of course management's views become so narrow that there are not enough customers that both share these views and also have the capability of achieving the site's funding goals.

I commonly see these two issues confused on this thread and others. It's quite surprising and perhaps this lack of comprehension explains why a small group of posters act in a way that is seemingly contrary to the site's continued viability.

1,598 posted on 04/28/2012 10:48:59 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: dirtboy

Yes, and when he heard the blow back, he said that was a lamentable choice of words.
But there was no understanding from the howling dogs.

Screw his stellar record.
People hounded him!

“Rick Perry personally strapped down my daughter spiked her with gardisil and forced her to **** ****”

That’s how crazy it was


1,599 posted on 04/28/2012 10:49:15 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Oh I was critical of candidates, but the Perry hate was unreal.

I'm not being critical of you being critical of other candidates.

I'm only pointing out that there was the same level of hate directed at some of our other preferable candidates too.

If you don't see that, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

1,600 posted on 04/28/2012 10:49:30 AM PDT by FreeReign
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