Skip to comments.Let's put this to bed. We have bigger fish to fry.
Posted on 04/27/2012 4:56:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Everyone please send whatever you are able to, whether it is $10, $100 or $1,000+. The DUmmies, Morons, Kos Kiddies and that crew are laughing up their sleeves. Jim may have to make this site members only or allow ads. Better for us to just help with what we can. Maybe you can donate as a memorial for a lost loved one, a servicemember who never made it home or was disabled defending our country. Perhaps you'd like to give to keep free discussion alive and to show them that we're not knuckling under. I'm sure a well thought out or prayerful meditation will lead you to see the need and how you can help. If every registered FReeper and our lurkers would each just help out with a fin or a sawbuck, or better yet a Ben Franklin, we could put this to bed and get on with the conservative cause.
I think conservatives insulted Perry while he was weak.
She might get the bread out but then she'd wander off halfway through. ;-)
WTF? Your haughty benevolence is underwhelming.
I believe As one famous FREEPER said in a phonecon:
[OThuga] will shoot me in the head.
Romney will make me die of cancer. I’ll take the cancer because it gives me some time to put my affairs in order.
However, I do NOT BELIEVE AT ALL that our voting makes a bit of difference:
29.”The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self createdscreen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties.” New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922
105.”In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way”. Teddy Roosevelt
1883: What part has Skull & Bones played in our elections? Professor Carroll Quigley was President Clinton’s mentor, and in Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World In our Time the professor revealed that William C. Whitney (S&B) and others, in the late 19th century, developed a plan to control both major political parties through financial contributions and have the two main parties alternate power so the public would think it had a choice. \
Professor Quigley said Whitney’s plan lasted about 16 years, and after that, the “Eastern Establishment” (power elite) moved the Democrat and Republican presidential candidates toward the political center:
While the Fabians were using education to move the public toward socialism, Rhodes Scholars were obtaining important posts in universities, and Carl Haessler (RS) was helping to establish Socialist Sunday Schools for younger people.  About the same time, socialist John Dewey, who had been mentored by G. Stanley Hall, who was brought to Johns Hopkins University by its president, Daniel Coit Gilman (S&B), was instituting “progressive education” in classrooms across our nation.  And like the RS influence in journalism, economics, and politics, Skull and Bones members also became involved in these areas. In journalism, Richard Ely Danielson would become the publisher of Atlantic Monthly, Russell Wheeler Davenport would become the editor of Fortune magazine, and Henry Luce would become the founder of Time.  Henry Luce’s biographer, Robert Herzstein, wrote:
“Early on, young Harry (Henry Luce) learned that a powerful circle of contacts and friends could move the world.”
As far as Rhodes was concerned, his plan would be carried out via Rhodes Scholars and Round Table Groups, which grew out of his secret “Society of the Elect.” Rhodes’ secret society lasted almost six decades, by which time enough of his people had penetrated the areas of politics, economics, journalism, and education so that his “conspiracy” was replaced by a network of the power elite.  We know that the conspiracy lasted well into the 20th century, because in 1931 one of its key operatives, historian Arnold Toynbee, wrote:
“We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world. All the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands.”
1919: After World War I ended, members of Cecil Rhodes’ Round Table Group (largely under the direction of Rhodes’ successor, Lord Alfred Milner) met with The Inquiry, led by Colonel Edward Mandell House. Working with the Fabian Socialists, they established the Royal Institute of International Affairs and its American branch, the Council on Foreign Relations. The CFR was largely under the control of associates of J.P. Morgan, some of whom were S&B members such as Henry P. Davison and Averell Harriman. Averell Harriman’s brother, E. Roland Harriman, was a member of the CFR; he was initiated into S&B in 1917 along with Prescott Sheldon Bush, George W. Bush’s grandfather.
1928: H.G. Wells authored The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution. By then he had broken with the Fabians, not in terms of their goals, but only in believing that they should be open about their plan to synthesize western capitalism with eastern communism, and create a world socialist government. In a later book titled The New World Order, Wells said that many would die protesting against it. In the same year as The Open Conspiracy was published, H.G. Wells received a letter from Bertrand Russell congratulating him, and saying:
“(Lord R.B.) Haldane (FS) would not forego the pleasure to be derived from the next war.”
Bertrand Russell would later write that a “Black Death” or bacteriological warfare might be needed to cull the population. Wells had already written that ‘they would have a cause that “would make killing worth the while.”
40.”The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.
The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds’ central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups.”
Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966,) Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by his former student, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.
Berit’s comment: These historical facts are not included in American social studies! But it’s not too late to take a look at the roots and rulers behind today’s political, economic, cultural and spiritual transformation. These handpicked leaders were chosen and groomed for their future roles as single-minded, pragmatic globalist change agents. According to their strengths and ideological compliance, they are placed where they’re needed — in banks, the media, U.S. Congress, government bureaucracies, etc. They despise our faith and values! In recent decades, potential young leaders have been brought together to be trained and tested at every UN Conference and many other global events.
Most of the above are from the first link below:
When too many trolls come on board -- and they need not be disruptive in the sense of strife, but just in the sense of refusing to listen or change their minds, continuing the refuted talking points -- then one of two things can happen, both bad.
First, the site loses cohesiveness and focus, and internecine warfare breaks out. Or second, there is a mass purge and the free-wheeling debate which led to everything being winnowed down to truth in very short order, goes by the wayside.
Fair enough and true.
What was that blues brothers schtick?
Did we put words in his mouth? Did we get him to abandon the things he REALLY believes in to appease the high powered consultants?
NO we did not!
Brilliant, grey! You have the right of it.
My 'concern' is solely for the continued existence of FR as a vibrant clearinghouse for conservative grassroots information exchange and activism.
And I do find the internecine warfare amongst FReepers both counterproductive to our common cause and extremely helpful to the enemy.
The energy that's been wasted on childish bickering in this thread alone is a shameful embarrassment, imho.
While I totally understand the loathing that Romney begets, and agree with about 97% of it, we've allowed it to create a circular firing squad in here.
There's a Communist Traitor in OUR White House, and the GOP-eunuchs have foisted a gutless chameleon upon us because that's what most of them see in their mirrors.
It's a clusterf**k in the truest sense of the term, and the longer it goes on the slimmer the chances of a peaceful resolution become.
Though it's been a source of much regret in times past, at the moment I'm grateful for not having children, and sorely feel for those who do.
This summer is shaping up to be violent, especially for those in urban areas; the very violence that's been used as a subliminally threatening cordon around the Usurper.
I've seen at least one FReeper with a tagline that says: Our forefathers would've been shooting by now and instinctively recognize a lot of truth therein.
And that anger at the nazification of our Nation, shared by millions and millions, has many in here at each others' throats instead of aiming at the true enemies.
Which brings us back to the clusterf**k of Romney, and around and around and around it'll go til November and then .. Pandora ?
History may not be circular, they say, but it rhymes.
The founders were fighting against tyranny in the form of hereditary monarchy; they established a republic, fully aware of the difficulty of sustaining such; we now are facing potentially the waning days of that Republic, due to the concerted efforts of malfeasants who sought to undermine the moral glue, common culture, sense of history, family structure, finances, and military strength of that Republic, in the service of totalitarian dictatorship.
The problem is that while the Founders had to fight a one-front war, we have to fight on a number of fronts, due to the lassitude of those before us in confronting and extinguishing the vanguards, the camels' noses under the tent, of those first sent to subvert our culture.
The splitting is between those who are concerned primarily with whether their vote is a sacred pledge of their principles, and those, who while still honoring the principles, wish to fight a greater enemy. Compare Churchill's remark that if Hitler invaded Hell, that Churchill would at least make a favorable reference to the Devil in the house of commons.
I will not vote FOR Romney; I am voting very much against Obaama. He wants to institute (in effect) unilateral nuclear disarmament: and next to airborne Ebola, there is nothing I fear more than a full nuclear strike on the US, or the slavery which would be vouchsafed as the only alternative to such.
Romney presents the problem that he will present himself as the cutting of the Gordian knot, "how do we get rid of the pesky social conservatives in the GOP", especially as his business expertise, combining with the pent-up creative and entrepreneurial longings of the American people (not *yet* fully asphyxiated after four years of Obaama's hands on its throat), will unleash a huge economic revivial -- for which the GOP-e will get credit, they deem.
I fear that the results will be more muddled as a result of unfunded liabilities, the effects of Obaamacare and the aging of the population, and the ticking time bombs, race hatreds, and obstruction of the Dems still in office after this election.
Let us all continue to pray and to work hard to advance conservatism on all fronts: just mimic the left's strategies during their Gramscian march through the institutions: with the proviso that they took advantage of the good hearts and naïveté of those in power in the 40s, 50s, and 60s'; we in trying to reclaim the institutions will be fighting uphill against those who have no wish to share power, and are already beyond shame and pity.
Mitt Romney gave us Mitt Romney by destroying all of the alternative candidates who did not self-destruct first.
And the GOP-E just stood back and let him engage in scorched-earth politics, the bitter fruit of which we are seeing now.
Why? I've said it before and I'll say it again - the GOP-E would rather lose with a RINO than win with a conservative. Who do you think is closer to the values of Beltway-addled Republicans? Sarah Palin? Or Barack Obama?
Youre not the only one that can yank chains.
I saw the irony, if not the humor.
Well, at least you didn't blog about it. ;)
You wily wascal, you!
Cheers back atcha!
I think Perry was very strong.
He shaped the early debates and brought up all the hard topics first.
A clear leader.
Sadly he was doped up with a broken back that the MSM was just jumping on.
It was a confluence of jackles and circumstance that did him in.
I’ll say this, I am proud of the fellow even in his weakest moment he has shown that he has more tenacity, faith and heart than the others.
You can’t call him heartless.
Dang! Did you ever peg that one!!!
Not buying it, troll-boy.
How much is Romney paying you?
“I believe that Royal Crown now belongs to Wal-Mart.”
RC Cola is owned by “Dr. Pepper Snapple Group” which was a spin-off of Cadbury Schweppes
And they have man beverage brands; mostly well known and popular in America.
Well, I’ll tell you what I’m going to do. I’m going to remove the other half of our equipment fund from our current freepathon goal and we’ll make other plans. It’s not worth the hassle. If all the people who say they’re leaving FR actually leave, we may be able to get by with less anyway.
Every ZOT of a conservative Freeper is driving a donor away.
Everytime other Freepers see ZOTs like that, it drives them away.
Well, you just gave away your strategy to try to neutralize FR, anyway.
How much is Romney paying you, troll? I don't remember your name before this thread. And I've been FReeping almost daily (hours a day) for almost eight years.
Wolfstar got zotted yesterday, gray.
Don’t let ‘em do ya. Proceed apace, with no thought to ankle biters. People are going to talk crap, you know this by now. Let ‘em talk, who cares?
And it won't stop complaints.
Good Lord. You and I have a lot of time to waste, don’t we?
If you don’t like FR and or don’t like the way we operate it leave! Continue anti-freeping, you will be shown the door.
Incorrect. I think it likely Palin knew she probably wasn't going to run by last spring/early summer when she was doing none of the things a serious candidate would do (and Fox didn't terminate her), however she was absolutely determined to at least appear to keep her options open. You know full well her supporters were CERTAIN she was going to unleash some Sun Tzu like "unconventional" campaign designed to go around the establishment. That she wouldn't need to do the things most candidates do. My post assumes only that her dedicated supporters were sure she was running. Come on now, you must know perfectly well that she has devoted fans that still can't let go and believe she may still be the nominee. I'm bad with user names, and forgive me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember you being chief among these people that were certain Palin was running and unable to accept that she wasn't.
Oh I don't dispute Perry stumbled, bumbled and generally demonstrated a clear lack of ability to communicate on the national state. Other members have reminded me that his back surgery may have had something to do with it - but that is neither here nor there. He clearly could not communicate well enough and I gave up on him because of it it.
But what we are talking about here is the anti-Perry vitriol that struck this website, and others, most notable between Perry's high profile entry into the race and Palin's official decision not to run. Some people have blamed the mods for not putting a stop to it. My point is that the tide of anti-Perry stuff was so enormous (here and elsewhere), as Palin supporters mobilized to eliminate what they perceived as her only serious conservative competitor, that there simply wasn't much forum administrators could bo but let it play out. An effort to stop such a thing would have required more speech limiting action than it would have been worth.
If is hard for me to believe anyone can't see how Palin's dithering about making a decision left huge numbers of core conservative activists sitting on the sidelines. These folks were waiting, unable and/or unwilling to get behind another candidate and otherwise attacking all potential Palin competition and it had a very serious (and negative) impact on this cycles GOP primary process. Whether her motives were noble or just an effort to stay in the spotlight, I don't know. But the impact of her delayed decision did conservatives no favors.
Is that a boast or a cry for help?
Good riposte, Jim!
Of course Jim, it is your site and I will support it with as much resources and energy that I can afford. Also I agree with DJ that it will not stop the complaints.
Your posts are usually so ‘in’ and cryptic I never know what the heck you’re talking about.
All I know about you is that your main purpose in life is to track down blog pimps.
I'm with Laz, Jim.
Stay on course, Jim.
The anklebiters will always be with us.
If this site was ineffective or irrelevant,it would be ignored.
Thank you very much, DJ MacWoW!! I’m sure you are correct. But we will push on without the equipment fund. It’s just not worth the hassle.
And this just in:
$300.00 from Pennsylvania
$10.00 from North Carolina
$10.00 from Never Never Land
$20.00 from California
$50.00 from Never Never Land
$20.00 from South Carolina
$35.00 from Ohio
$50.00 from Virginia
$20.00 from Tennessee
$100.00 from Georgia
$30.00 from Indiana
Thank you all very much!!
And we’re now over THIRTY-FIVE percent!!
This is FR!! For God and country!!
We are the resistance!!
NO MATTER WHAT.
Appeasing the unappeasable is falling into the game Republicans fall into with Democrats.
LOL every time ;-)
I dont think I have seen a single troll here on this thread.
I saw “Qlique”? zotted quick and fast, then I saw cooler heads. and many who begged to be zotted were spared.
The main point of this thread has evolved in to the notion that we are between a rock and a hard spot if we are not allowed to support the R nominee and beyond that we are supposed to pony up money while bad mouthing the R Nominee.
Many question the worth of sending money to thwart the GOP guy when the current occupant is he worst POS that the USA has ever seen
I do not intend to stick principle up my arse
I will vote down ticket to load the bases and I will vote Romney over Obama
Now that Ive read her financial diatribes, I feel forced to disavow my connection with her.
It is rare (even on FR) to find people who will own up to mistakes, or change their position in response to new evidence, in public.
Thank you very much, RedMDer. But like the ma says, we have bigger fish to fry.
Your conclusion may be correct if the story ended here today. But let’s just wait a while longer to see if she’s really one who has caused damage to the Conservative (Tea Party) Movement. Let’s see how things unfold these next few months. Okay?
You’re right. Putting aside that small extra amount won’t even be a speed bump to the naysayers.
Full speed ahead, Jim.
You didn’t chase this Texas Prrry supporter off, grey whiskers..Good effort though.
No, I agree that Wolfstar got out of line and probably deserved the zot.
Maybe everybody who got the zot deserved it. I haven’t kept track of exactly what they did and don’t even know who was zotted besides wolfstar.
I just don’t like the dancing on the graves and hope that you don’t dance on mine if it comes to that.
But dance all you can. It’s all I can do to walk these days.
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