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Posted on 04/27/2012 4:56:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Thx, Quix! Exposure is the best disenfectant!
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Exposure is the best disenfectant!
At least folks who are alerted can prepare their hearts, minds and families better with good information than without it.
THAT’S CERTAINLY MY perspective.
From another FR thread tonight, with quote by Jim Robinson: - - - We do not support lying liberal/progressive/statists, regardless of party affiliation.
Now are getting somewhere in our spirited discussion!
We are not here to please everybody!
If we can define who we are not, then we are at liberty to focus on the problems to be solved.
1.) What is the problem? [One problem at a time, please].
2.) Who owns the problem?
3.) What would Jesus do to solve the problem?
If we shout and scream and prance,
The enemy shouts Charge and Advance!
But if we listen to what is behind the words,
From all who speak, sincere and true,
Perhaps then the reasoned ones
Will also listen to you?
We can spend endless monologues proving that WE are right, but the problem to be solved will only fester and remain.
So who is not what we seek to find, we seek the criteria that will solve the problem.
Drop the who and find the what,
And demand the Elected who
Obeys our what!
We are the Rebels in the Rebellion,
We have no friends in the GOP-E.
Dont Tread on Me, we proudly wave,
Now let us define the problems first,
And demand that empty political suits, obey, Obey, OBEY!
We are in Charge,
And here we stand.
Choose to join us,
You political hams!
BTW, this just might, could, unify our energy into a focused effort that the politicians will seek to embrace. (They have proven to be clueless so far on finding a focused effort to solve problems!)
BTW, BTW, it will drive the Liberal Agenda Media, and their consultants nuts!
HERE WE GO!
Please answer the following question:
1.) What is the problem?
Hard to argue that Gunner.
A forward is nothing compared to being a BISHOP in a cult! Wouldn't you agree? HOW LOUD is that about being against Christianity - you can't miss it. But I have noticed how you don't touch on that at all, very telling.
Being alert and informed . . . as SCRIPTURE SAYSTHE WISE MAN SEES CALAMITY COMING AND PREPARESTHATS GODS WORD.
And YOU interpret that as it's OK to vote for a same sex marriage and pro baby killer candidate ? WOW!! Does it feel good, Quix, interpreting Scripture to suit yourself?
I'm alert for GOD's purpose and informed by HIS WORD and NEVER fearful for what 'man' can do.
He just happens to be the one who has called me to be a watchman on the wall about the satanic NWO of BIBLICAL prophecy in our era. I try to be faithful to HIS calling in my flawed way, by His Grace.
MITT IS SATANIC! A watchmen is now endorsing it?? And you want credibility?
Of course we are NOT TO FEAR.
I wasn't asking you but reminding you of God's Word because your previous post was full of fear of what Obama may/could/looks like do - your very reason for supporting mitt.
I'm not here to convince you but to tell you as I can see you are knee deep in it. Tell you, it is NOT from God - that's a given. Woe to them, who calls good evil and evil good! God has no association with evil and neither does HIS children. We are to resist it, NOT embrace it! You are on you own now.
We ended up in a similar non-communicative set of exchanges about Sarah.
I’m not going down that sort of path again with you.
I deplore your inaccurate and untrue statements about me and what I think and believe. However, God will have to deal with you about them. I’m done.
Exactly, that's why I said knee deep in it - this slam against conservatives isn't new. You had all this 'info' about Sarah on your shelf because 'someone' gave it to you.
Do you have anything on the The Bishop of a Cult? Why didn't you start a thread about that? Haven't seen anything about that - just Sarah and Newt.
God is dealing with you, that's why I'm here. I told you in my previous email, you are on your own now after I said what I did. So you aren't done with me, I'm done with you. You got the warning.
Mitt is satanic/same sex marriage/baby killer endorser - Bishop of a Cult.
Oh, dear. There he goes again, banned or suspended.
Gunner, I asked you to stop getting banned. Come on, now!
Feelings can fool ya.
Just ask 1,000’s of EX-mormons!
Our Nuremburg trial is just a bit down the road a piece...
It’s no WONDER we’re NUTS in this country; where Abortion and Feticide co-exist!
What a mockery:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
There's only a 1 in 4 chance for a 'fetus' in America, of ever getting out of the womb alive!
Like Churchill said: "...but if not..."
Ain't NOTHIN' politics can do about it.
What part of “...turn from their wicked ways...” do we fail to understand?
You’ve been ‘banned’, too!
Is it scheduled for October or November ? I need to know so I can take my vacation.
I think your comments are irrational; but hey, don't let me stop you ...
How many had laws against drugs, obscenity and pornography ?
Unacceptable; I could never vote for someone who tolerated jail time instead of captial punishment for murder.
Lutheranism notwithstanding, I think you should be ripped non-stop just for generally being whiny.
Because Newt more than any of the others knows and understands the intent and purpose of the founding fathers. He knows there may need to be some small structural changes but also knows where the power should lie. Newt understands that there are some changes that need to be made because the world is a different place but power belongs to the states and the people. Newt also has a renewed faith and understands the place that should hold in our society. Thats why he could say such a thing.
I’m not sure I get your point.
Are you saying that Newt had an
AUTHENTIC, LASTING CONVERSION experience AFTER he wrote the forward to Toffler’s book?
Which of these famous leaders’ quotes of the last 200 years
do you believe, personally,
had no serious interest, ability, capacity to move their goals significantly along toward fulfillment?
It seems to me, DISBELIEVING that they
—meant what they said;
—said what they meant;
—had the capacity to help fulfill those goals literally
THAT would be IRRATIONAL.
helps you sleep better at nights . . . for a while longer . . .
have at it.
May have left out the link to the quotes:
Killing offspring is the crux of this issue, af vet. That is why I am BOTH pro-life AND pro-DELIVERY.
I oppose abortion to save the life of the mother, and many are aghast at that position. But let me explain the PRO-DELIVERY distinctive.
Abortion is, by definition, an act of killing. The babies are cut in pieces, have the brains evacuated, are salinated, or sometimes are left to die unaided or dumped in some trash bin.
Delivery is, by definition, an effort to bring a child into this world alive and then to provide all necessary resources to keep it alive, if possible.
In a "life of the mother" case, I would support herculean efforts to deliver and assist the baby no matter the stage of development. That is the pro-delivery distinctive. The "abortion in the case of life of mother" is focused on KILLING the infant. Pro-Delivery is focused on preserving the life of the infant.
ALL abortion is, therefore, homicide. All deliveries -- EVEN unsuccessful attempts -- are efforts to PRESERVE.
Such a position, pro-life/pro-delivery, would eventually push even earlier the time of viability of our young, so that we can imagine preserving life through miraculous efforts from the earliest stages of life onward .
Pro-Delivery perspectives highlight the truth about late-term abortion in which a murder clearly takes place. Pro-delivery would clearly show that the ability to both deliver and preserve would be near 100% successful.
This is 100% WRONG!
Read the Roe v. Wade decision sometime, it is explicitly stated that if personhood of the baby is established then 14th Amendment protection is guaranteed. And this FACT is not only in the decision, it is acknowledged by ALL PARTIES.
So, the only question is whether or not the baby is a person. However, if someone is to contend that the baby is not a person, what is it?
There will be no 2016 election for conservatives to participate in if Barry's Marxist-packed SCOTUS (it will only take one loss from the five on the right) to impose the "fairness doctrine" to shut down any media which espouses conservativism, including FR. Defending marriage, life and Christianity, US sovereignty and resisting Sharia will be deemed "hate speech" long before 2016, IMO, if Barry is allowed to win in 2012. Churchill rushed all possible resources to save Stalin, a man he loathed, from Hitler because that was what was necessary to save the UK, and I believe that US conservatives face a similar repugnant choice and duty in 2012.
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
Whatever odd things are said about you, (nevermind the odd things you say about yourself), I'll have to agree with you on this one. +1
EXCELLENT POINTS, as usual.
I cannot let this pass without commenting. I had a tubal pregnancy years ago and the only option was to terminate the pregnancy.
I did not kill my offspring nor did I commit homicide. That baby was not going to survive either way. Pro-delivery at 6 weeks gestation is never an option.
Hi PBR. I would argue with you the points of delivery and homicide.
Delivery is an effort to preserve.
Homicide is the killing of a human. (There is, for example, justifiable homicide. That means that death was caused but that it was for good reasons. Your tubal would probably fall under that category.)
However, the delivery of that child is simply a matter of progress in that direction. What we think is impossible is limited by what we’re capable of doing at this time. If we never try, then the boundaries of capability won’t be pushed.
So, yes, an EFFORT could have been made. If a death occurred nonetheless, then it would have “expired during delivery.”
EVERY abortion, on the other hand, is always designed to cause the baby to die.
Many women would have an entirely more positive sense of what had happened if they were able to tell themselves that they had done everything to deliver a child rather than have it cut into pieces.
Would you say he didint?
No. Stand for something or just run away. Whatever else I've done in my life. No matter what people on this forum think of me, choosing "the lesser of 2 evils" is still CHOOSING EVIL.
Last time I looked, no one on this planet is getting out alive.
For all the debt. For all the money. For all of the bullshit. The best bet is to run away. TO CHOOSE EVIL.
OR STAND FOR SOMETHING.
And even WHEN your body rots away. If YOU CHOOSE THE RIGHT THING. YOU WILL LIVE LIVE FOREVER.
Brenda Carnahan IS MY WIFE. I AM CLAYTON PATRICK CARNAHAN. If you ANY CLUE how much crap has been visited upon us from me posting this article on Free Republic, you would simply have done one of 2 things.
STAND FOR SOMETHING.
OR RUN AWAY AND HIDE.
NOW. GET ME STARTED ON MY "BUDDIES"--BARRY AND MITT.
” - - - STAND FOR SOMETHING.”
IMHO that is what we do NOT do on FR. What we do is what the Liberal Agenda Media, (LAM), does: we try to choose what politician best represents our views.
The LAM has chosen Obama and says that we should choose Romney.
The Primary voters that have taken the trouble to vote, ( 20 to 30 % of the Republican voter pool, by State), have yet to give a landslide vote for anybody.
What we are doing is doing EXACTLY what the LAM and the Democrat Party want us to do: 1.) ignore the problems in The US Federal Government, 2.) have heated discussions about which looser candidate is the most representative of our own personal views.
NOBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE MAIN PROBLEM!
Thus, this summer we will see Obama and Obamalite shout out the favorite smocksreens of the LAM. The first is their main favorite smokescreen of “Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.”
The second smokescreen is “Stimulate the Economy.”
Since small businesses create most of the jobs in America, smokescreen # 1 is invalid by inspection. Governments do not create jobs, they destroy them.
As for smokescreen # 2, ask “Enema” Ben Bernanke how his Quantative Easings, shovel-ready projects, Increased Bank Regulations, and bailing out Fannie and Freddie has worked out.
The US Federal Government is the SOURCE of the problem, not the solution.
And before anybody gets all emotional about Hero Rep. Paul Ryan’s Budget, he estimates that it will be in balance in 30 years, whoop-dee-do.
If we at FR spend our energies looking for POLITICIANS to help solve the main problem, then we have learned NOTHING about the complete inability of politicians to solve problems.
Back to your borrowed quote: Let us not stand for a given politician, instead, let us at FR stand for principles that will solve the main problem.
We then will have a unified voter block that will require politicians to come to us, rather than we go to them.
Late last night I read most of the replies on this and similar threads, and then posted Comment # 2254 above.
For those who want to solve the main problem, post # 2254 is for you.
My impression last night was that we at FR have lost focus on identifying the main problem - - -
I don’t know the sequence of the book foreword and his purported conversion experience.
And I’ve also not read anywhere of any repudiation of the globalist goals and values that a true conversion experience would logically have fostered.
Soooo, I’m greatly skeptical that the leopard has changed his spots.
Other Presidents purportedly had born again experiences as well and did quite a faithful job of carrying out the globalists goals, strategies, orders.
At least he’s on public record with the Toffler book of being squarely behind, in support of those horrific anti-Christian and anti-family and anti-Constitution values and goals.
I would suggest that the GOP Platform is where there is much conservative agreement already. I think one problem is the GOP (especially the RINOs) say one thing (pledge to support the platform) YET do another (vote and act contrary to the platform).
folks are going to say that
a politico of the right height, weight and what . . . skin color or label?
SAYS that they hate and seek to destroy
Conservatives go . . .
“Awwwww we know you don’t mean it—here sit in the place of honor at our table.”
I don’t know that there’s much more that can be said.
Thank you for including me Grae.
For all the mighty names. The “anonymous” screen names.
“bigheadfred” is an appellation GRANTED to me by people who knew the difference between standing around and talking about it, to people who just pulled that trigger.