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A Mormon America, Brought To You By Mitt Romney
christiannewstoday ^ | 4/27/10 | By Tricia Erickson, author of the book, “Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters?”

Posted on 04/27/2012 4:16:26 PM PDT by Mozilla

If the GOP didn’t hurt us enough by propping John McCain up to be our 2008 nominee, handing us Barack Obama on a silver platter, now, by serving up this horrendous Romney Manchurian Candidate to be our next President, they are further promoting another party member, the “POM”, the “Party of Mormonism”.

We have seen the power of the Mormon voting bloc by way of Romney winning Arizona, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Hawaii and Florida, and Utah will be a slam-dunk. We can expect that 90% of the 6 million US Mormons will vote for Romney. According to LDS statistics and church facts, the church currently has 52,483 missionaries on the ground, worldwide, bringing the undiscerning into the sect. With a fraction of this figure of missionaries in the US, hundreds join the church each day.

Just how committed is Mr. Romney to his Mormon faith? Mitt Romney was a graduate of Brigham Young University and a Mormon Missionary. He was promoted twice on his mission to Missionary Zone Leader and Assistant to the Mission President. Mitt also became a Mormon Bishop and later became a Stake President, presiding over a dozen Mormon Churches. You cannot get more Mormon than Mitt Romney.

As President of the United States, Mitt will have less authority than that of the living prophet of his church. He is therefore, no matter his position as leader of this nation, subject to the Mormon infallible Prophet and his orders and mandates, even if those mandates are not in the best interest of our nation.

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Through Mitt Romney, the Party of Mormon will finally, after struggling for authenticity for their patently false religion, become “main stream” to a fallen nation.

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To: greyfoxx39

Mormon taqqiya is getting more stealthy, but just as deceitful. When the leadership of LDS inc teach that the blood of Christ does not redeem anyone, that is the essence of antiChrist and certainly qualifies as ‘using the Savior’s Identity falsely.’ But if the wording is not precisely as LDS apologist demand it to be, they just deny their deceits and move to the next one.


101 posted on 04/28/2012 9:02:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: lawsone; fish hawk; svcw

I heard a Sacramento, California talk show host, who was 31 years in law enforcement say he never, to his knowledge, ever arrested a Mormon
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Yeah but that was in CA

and just how many Mormons were in his area ???

OTOH if he had lived in Michigan he could have arrested the young 17 yo juvenile delinquient Willard Mitt Romney and his Mormon friends for trespassing and destruction of property ...

Oh noez..

some other policeman had that honor...


102 posted on 04/28/2012 9:08:35 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: greyfoxx39

I think that’s two in the last three hours.


103 posted on 04/28/2012 9:09:33 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: LukeSW
You KNOW the truth? Have you read through the Journal of Discourses and agree with what your leadership have taught? Let me give you a couple of examples, quoted directly from your religion's source materials:

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

“...you have to learn to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, - namely, by going from one small degree to another...” [Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 Page 4, 1844. Joseph Smith]

"Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee...We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed [children] before he was crucified [Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82].

"In the Church councils, it was spoken of: "Joseph F. Smith_ He spoke upon the marriage in Cana of Galilee. He thought Jesus was the bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides."(Journal of Wilford Woodruff, July 22, 1883).

In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. [Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844]

I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. [Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844]

"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons [Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346]

That last one should be enough for you to realize you not only don't know the truth about MormonISM, you don't want to know the truth either. Blasphemies such as quoted above are the essence of 'using the Lord's Name in vane'. LDSinc demote Jesus and God. THAT is the truth and we can prove it by merely quoting from the leadership of this antiChristian cult.

104 posted on 04/28/2012 9:14:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: svcw
In other words you will be voting for the Kenyan....being that you will be flushing your vote down the toilet
105 posted on 04/28/2012 9:20:16 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

“In other words you will be voting for the Kenyan....being that you will be flushing your vote down the toilet”

no... but you should take a hard look in the mirror before you throw stones.

YOU will be voting for evil - a man who supports the desecration of marriage and
institutionalized the financing and killing of babies.

You will be flushing conservative values down the toilet. Your call.

As such, you will become a situational conservative - a conservative of convenience. One who will dance to any
liberal song played, as long as it is better than the (D) song.

I won’t dance by voting for either of the two gay-supporting, baby-killers...

I will support conservatives, as always.


106 posted on 04/28/2012 9:29:51 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: lawsone
I would invite you to attend a Mormon Sunday service and go to lds.org where you can access our teachings, which are from the scriptures not from other books written by Church members.

Dr. Robert L. Millet is the emeritus Dean of Religious Education at Brigham Young University, a current BYU religion professor. He says that LDS scriptures (the "Standard Works") are only one of four sources of LDS doctrine. Dr. Millet stated on April 23, 2006:

"If you want to know what constitutes the doctrine of the church . . . (1) is this doctrine or idea found within the Standard Works . . .[,] (2) is it found in what we would call official declarations or proclamations . . .[,] (3) is this a doctrine that is taught by the apostles or the First Presidency in general conference or other official church gatherings today [, or] (4) Is this found in the general handbooks of the church or in the approved curriculum material of the church? If it doesn't meet one of those four criteria it is not the doctrine of the church."

I'll take Dr. Millet's word for it that the scriptures - the Standard Works - is only one category of 'doctrine' of the LDS Church. After all, he not only was the Dean of Religion at BYU, but he was named dean emeritus, and speaks to outgoing LDS missionaries.

That said, I support the right of FR members to religious freedom and your right, and the rights of other LDS FR members, to their theological beliefs.

I sometimes get riled on here when somebody says "we don't teach that" or 'that never happened' and I quote and link current LDS CES materials (including those hidden behind the password-protected portal), lds.org, scholarly articles by LDS historians with primary source documents, the seven-volume History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, started by Joseph Smith, Jr., or similar sources, and somebody still says 'nope' (particularly when I'm quoting LDS CES materials quoting the History of the Church and providing the link), but I fully support your right to believe as you believe.

107 posted on 04/28/2012 9:34:47 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: lawsone
They support scouting with the second largest scout organization in the nation.

I think I may know what you're talking about, but I'd like to be certain. What are you counting as the largest Scout organization in the nation?

108 posted on 04/28/2012 9:37:49 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: lawsone
Actually your “Judge not” comment is, like many things by Mormons (and sadly with Modern Christians as well) used in a completely wrong context. I cannot judge your heart as an individual but I can and am required to judge words and doctrine supported by you as well as others.

That Mormon doctrine is false is a given, that they use “scriptures” beyond the Holy Word of God is known, after all the Book of Mormon is a “Companion” to the Bible, a Book that indeed has no “companion” nor equal. And of course lest we forget the LDS approach to the Holy Bible, as they say “as far as it is translated correctly” which has long been Mormon speak for “as much as we can bend it to fit our heresy”...

I too encourage people to go to LDS.ORG, indeed I insist, and compare what is there to reality...

109 posted on 04/28/2012 9:44:39 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ansel12
Romney is a Bishop and Stake president, and headed for higher places within his cult.

Christians need to realize this. Mitt Romney is a true believer, not just a Mormon-in-Name-Only. Voting for Mitt Romney is not voting for a follower of Baal but voting for a high priest of Baal.

110 posted on 04/28/2012 9:48:49 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: lawsone

Perhaps you would look at the few quotes ... and there are literally hundreds of other quotes we can use if you will but read what your leadership has been teaching for doctrine.


111 posted on 04/28/2012 10:04:07 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Mozilla
So what. Kennedy was a Catholic and all of America did not turn into Catholics. This is stupid to think this way.

I know FR is the hate Romney forum but wouldn't it be better to not want him because of his stand on issues then his religion. Don't forget, not everyone is a fan of Catholics either.

This election will either keep our country from the vile destruction Obama will do or give our Nation at least a small ray of hope we can survive and not become another Greece, France or Spain etc.

112 posted on 04/28/2012 10:06:08 AM PDT by Katarina (If not Rick Perry then ABO. We have got to do all we can to get Obama OUT!)
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To: Katarina
I know FR is the hate Romney forum

Then perhaps you would be happier in staying away from threads that have "mormon" in the title.

We find it hilarious that you mormonism defenders get your underwear in a knot about the posting of factual mormon doctrine from mormon sources by a few dozen FReepers at the same time that your leaders are bragging about the following:

We are grateful for the 52,225 full-time missionaries serving in more than 150 countries.16 The sun never sets on righteous missionaries testifying of the Savior mormon church. Think of the spiritual power of 52,000 missionaries, endowed with the Spirit of the Lord Joseph Smith, boldly declaring that there is “no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come … , only in and through the name of Christ. mormon church temple rituals

"My young brethren of the priesthood, I testify of the majesty, but most of all, of the certainty of this magnificent event. The Savior lives. He will return to the earth (the Second Coming) . And whether on this side of the veil or the other, you and I will rejoice in His coming and thank the Lord that He sent us to earth at this time to fulfill our sacred duty of helping prepare the world for His return the mormon theocracy

113 posted on 04/28/2012 10:30:15 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: LukeSW
You seem to be more than a little biased about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members, even if your uncle is a former Bishop.

Biases; when exposed; CAN be very embarrassing; right?!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

114 posted on 04/28/2012 10:41:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LibFreeUSA
Ok, when left with a choice between a Muslim and Mormon do you even have to think about it?

Number ten


Logical fallacies hide the truth, so pointing them out is very useful.
 
1. Ad Hominem - Attacking the individual instead of the argument.
Example: You are so stupid your argument couldn't possibly be true.
Example: I figured that you couldn't possibly get it right, so I ignored your comment.
 
2. Appeal to Force - Telling the hearer that something bad will happen to him if he does not accept the argument.
Example: If you don't want to get beaten up, you will agree with what I say.
Example: Convert or die.
 
3. Appeal to Pity - Urging the hearer to accept the argument based upon an appeal to emotions, sympathy, etc.
Example: You owe me big time because I really stuck my neck out for you.
Example: Oh come on, I've been sick. That's why I missed the deadline.
 
4. Appeal to the Popular - Urging the hearer to accept a position because a majority of people hold to it.
Example: The majority of people like soda. Therefore, soda is good.
Example: Everyone else is doing it. Why shouldn't you?
 
5. Appeal to Tradition - Trying to get someone to accept something because it has been done or believed for a long time.
Example: This is the way we've always done it. Therefore, it is the right way.
Example: The Catholic church's tradition demonstrates that this doctrine is true.
 
6. Begging the Question - Assuming the thing to be true that you are trying to prove. It is circular.
Example: God exists because the Bible says so. The Bible is inspired. Therefore, we know that God exists.
Example: I am a good worker because Frank says so. How can we trust Frank? Simple: I will vouch for him.
 
7. Cause and Effect - Assuming that the effect is related to a cause because the events occur together.
Example: When the rooster crows, the sun rises. Therefore, the rooster causes the sun to rise.
Example: When the fuel light goes on in my car, I soon run out of gas. Therefore, the fuel light causes my car to run out of gas.
 
8. Circular Argument - See Begging the Question
Fallacy of Division - Assuming that what is true of the whole is true for the parts.
Example: That car is blue. Therefore, its engine is blue.
Example: Your family is weird. That means that you are weird too.
 
9. Fallacy of Equivocation - Using the same term in an argument in different places but the word has different meanings.
Example: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Therefore, a bird is worth more than President Bush.
Example: Evolution states that one species can change into another. We see that cars have evolved into different styles. Therefore, since evolution is a fact in cars, it is true in species.
 
10. False Dilemma - Giving two choices when in actuality there could be more choices possible.
Example: You either did knock the glass over or you did not. Which is it? (Someone else could have knocked the glass over)
Example: Do you still beat your wife?
 
11. Genetic Fallacy - Attempting to endorse or disqualify a claim because of the origin or irrelevant history of the claim.
Example: The Nazi regime developed the Volkswagen Beetle. Therefore, you should not buy a VW Beetle because of who started it.
Example: Frank just got out of jail last year; since it was his idea to start the hardware store, I can't trust him.
 
12. Guilt by Association - Rejecting an argument or claim because the person proposing it likes someone whom is disliked by another.
Example: Hitler liked dogs. Therefore dogs are bad.
Example: Your friend is a thief. Therefore, I cannot trust you.
 
13. Non Sequitur - Comments or information that do not logically follow from a premise or the conclusion.
Example: We know why it rained today: because I washed my car.
Example: I don't care what you say. We don't need any more bookshelves. As long as the carpet is clean, we are fine.
 
14. Poisoning the Well - Presenting negative information about a person before he/she speaks so as to discredit the person's argument.
Example: Frank is pompous, arrogant, and thinks he knows everything. So, let's hear what Frank has to say about the subject.
Example: Don't listen to him because he is a loser.
 
15. Red Herring - Introducing a topic not related to the subject at hand.
Example: I know your car isn't working right. But, if you had gone to the store one day earlier, you'd not be having problems.
Example: I know I forgot to deposit the check into the bank yesterday. But, nothing I do pleases you.
 
16. Special Pleading (double standard) - Applying a standard to another that is different from a standard applied to oneself.
Example: You can't possibly understand menopause because you are a man.
Example: Those rules don't apply to me since I am older than you.
 
17. Straw Man Argument - Producing an argument about a weaker representation of the truth and attacking it.
Example: The government doesn't take care of the poor because it doesn't have a tax specifically to support the poor.
Example: We know that evolution is false because we did not evolve from monkeys.
 
18. Category Mistake - Attributing a property to something that could not possibly have that property. Attributing facts of one kind are attributed to another kind. Attributing to one category that which can only be properly attributed to another.
Example: Blue sleeps faster than Wednesday.
Example: Saying logic is transcendental is like saying cars would exist if matter didn't.

115 posted on 04/28/2012 10:42:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
“mormons against other Christians” makes no sense...

“mormons against ALL OF Christianity” makes HISTORY...

116 posted on 04/28/2012 10:44:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: bella1
With each passing day, I’m finding it harder and harder to even consider voting for Romney. Just don’t think I can do it.

Thank GOD!

117 posted on 04/28/2012 10:45:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Hugin
Americans generally don't respond positively to religious bigotry.

So true... so true!




  "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"
 
 (The Seer, p. 255  Orson Pratt )

118 posted on 04/28/2012 10:46:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I don’t like Romney, but this Mormon-bashing will get us nowhere.

MORMONism 'bashing' will get souls saved from HELL!

119 posted on 04/28/2012 10:47:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Graybeard58
No part of mormonism can be defended by the bible, except those parts directly plagiarized from the bible by J.Smith, King James era English and all.

Now 'god' told JS to re-write the KJV bible to 'get the error out'.

And he did just that.

I can't figger out why the LDS religious organization; based in SLC; does NOT consider it to be scripture...


 
See some differences between GOD's Word and the Joseph Smith's 'translation'
 
 


Color coding explanation:
 
Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff... 
 *(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)

 
 
 
 

JOSEPH SMITH—MATTHEW
An extract from the translation of the Bible as revealed to Joseph Smith the Prophet in 1831: Matthew 23: 39 and chapter 24.
Jesus foretells the impending destruction of Jerusalem—He also discourses on the second coming of the Son of Man, and the destruction of the wicked.
1 aFor I say unto you, that ye shall not see me henceforth and know that I am he of whom it is written by the prophets, until ye shall say: Blessed is he who bcometh in the name of the Lord, in the clouds of heaven, and all the holy angels with him. Then understood his disciples that he should come again on the earth, after that he was glorified and ccrowned on the right hand of God.
2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and his disciples came to him, for to ahear him, saying: Master, show us concerning the buildings of the temple, as thou hast said—They shall be thrown down, and left unto you desolate.
3 And Jesus said unto them: See ye not all these things, and do ye not understand them? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here, upon this temple, one astone upon another that shall not be thrown down.
4 And Jesus left them, and went upon the Mount of Olives. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be which thou hast said concerning the destruction of the temple, and the Jews; and what is the asign of thy bcoming, and of the cend of the world, or the destruction of the dwicked, which is the end of the world?
5 And Jesus answered, and said unto them: Take heed that no man deceive you;
6 For many shall come in my name, saying—I am aChrist—and shall deceive many;
7 Then shall they deliver you up to be aafflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be bhated of all nations, for my name’s sake;
8 And then shall many be aoffended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another;
9 And many afalse prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many;
10 And because iniquity shall abound, the alove of many shall wax cold;
11 But he that remaineth asteadfast and is not overcome, the same shall be saved.
12 When you, therefore, shall see the aabomination of bdesolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of cJerusalem, then you shall stand in the dholy place; whoso readeth let him understand.
13 Then let them who are in Judea flee into the amountains;
14 Let him who is on the housetop flee, and not return to take anything out of his house;
15 Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes;
16 And wo unto them that are with achild, and unto them that give suck in those days;
17 Therefore, pray ye the Lord that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;
18 For then, in those days, shall be great atribulation on the bJews, and upon the inhabitants of cJerusalem, such as was not before sent upon Israel, of God, since the beginning of their kingdom until this time; no, nor ever shall be sent again upon Israel.
19 All things which have befallen them are only the beginning of the sorrows which shall come upon them.
20 And except those days should be shortened, there should none of their flesh be asaved; but for the elect’s sake, according to the bcovenant, those days shall be shortened.
21 Behold, these things I have spoken unto you concerning the Jews; and again, after the tribulation of those days which shall come upon Jerusalem, if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe him not;
22 For in those days there shall also arise false aChrists, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.
23 Behold, I speak these things unto you for the aelect’s sake; and you also shall hear of bwars, and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled, for all I have told you must come to pass; but the end is not yet.
24 Behold, I have told you before;
25 Wherefore, if they shall say unto you: Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not;
26 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the aeast, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
27 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the acarcass is, there will the eagles be bgathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.
28 And they shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars.
29 Behold I speak for mine elect’s sake; for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be afamines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
30 And again, because iniquity shall abound, the love of men shall wax acold; but he that shall not be overcome, the same shall be saved.
31 And again, this aGospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world, for a witness unto all bnations, and then shall the end come, or the destruction of the wicked;
32 And again shall the aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.
33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the asun shall be bdarkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the cstars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
34 Verily, I say unto you, this ageneration, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.
35 Although, the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my awords shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled.
36 And, as I said before, after the atribulation of those days, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth bmourn; and they shall see the cSon of Man dcoming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory;
37 And whoso atreasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall bcome, and he shall send his cangels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the dremainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
38 Now learn a parable of the afig-tree—When its branches are yet tender, and it begins to put forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh at hand;
39 So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;
40 But of that day, and hour, no one aknoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.
41 But as it was in the days of aNoah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;
42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the aflood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;
43 And aknew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
44 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the alast days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other bleft;
45 Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;
46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; awatch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.
47 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up, but would have been ready.
48 Therefore be ye also aready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.
49 Who, then, is a afaithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
50 Blessed is that aservant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing; and verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
51 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord adelayeth his coming,
52 And shall begin to smite his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,
53 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
54 And shall cut him asunder, and shall appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and agnashing of teeth.
55 And thus cometh the aend of the wicked, according to the prophecy of Moses, saying: They shall be cut off from among the people; but the end of the earth is not yet, but by and by.

KJV Matthew 23:38-39 24:1-51
39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
King James Version of the Holy Bible
Public domain

120 posted on 04/28/2012 10:51:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: TankerKC
I have had enough of those Mormin terrorists.

So have a LOT of Native Americans!!!


I do not feel threatened by it because I don’t think that they will be attempting to convert by the sword.
 

The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,
and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,
 has long been ignored, “You didn’t see the Indians beheading the Mormons.”
 
-- Historian Robert Carter

121 posted on 04/28/2012 10:53:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ansel12
Obama will clean up with the atheist vote...

and...


the idiot vote...
the Oprah vote...
the welfare vote...
the Liberal vote...
the lazy vote...
the student loan vote...
the Luddite vote...
the Green vote....
the vegan vote....
the anyone esle he can PROMISE something to before Nov 6th vote....

122 posted on 04/28/2012 10:57:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: no dems; Tennessee Nana
You need to get your bitterness in check dudette?



 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
 
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

123 posted on 04/28/2012 10:59:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NorthernCrunchyCon
So has Texas, thankfully.

Hey!

Don't say them MORMON scripture followers are MORMON!

We have RULES against that!!

--MormonDude(The RULES!)

124 posted on 04/28/2012 11:03:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ejonesie22
...God's disdain for what it has become can bring its' demise...



Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

125 posted on 04/28/2012 11:04:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: lawsone
I would invite you to attend a Mormon Sunday service and go to lds.org where you can access our teachings, which are from the scriptures not from other books written by Church members.

Uh... your local LDS bookstore would go BROKE if not for the 'books from members'!!

126 posted on 04/28/2012 11:06:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: lawsone
...where you can access our teachings...

...or just stay right here on FR where the LDS 'scriptures' are posted daily!!


 
THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI

HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY
CHAPTER 16
 
The wicked take the truth to be hard—Lehi’s sons marry the daughters of Ishmael—The Liahona guides their course in the wilderness—Messages from the Lord are written on the Liahona from time to time—Ishmael dies; his family murmur because of afflictions. Between 600 and 592 B.C.
 
 
 1 And it came to pass after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.
  2 And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken ahard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the bguilty taketh the ctruth to be hard, for it dcutteth them to the very center.
  3 And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might awalk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us.
  4 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.
  5 And it came to pass that they did ahumble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness.
  6 Now, all these things were said and done as my father dwelt in a tent in the avalley which he called Lemuel.
  7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the adaughters of Ishmael to bwife; and also, my brethren took of the cdaughters of Ishmael to wife; and also dZoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.
  8 And thus my father had fulfilled all the acommandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.
  9 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord spake unto my father by night, and commanded him that on the morrow he should take his ajourney into the wilderness.
  10 And it came to pass that as my father arose in the morning, and went forth to the tent door, to his great astonishment he beheld upon the ground a round aball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine brass. And within the ball were two spindles; and the one bpointed the way whither we should go into the wilderness.
  11 And it came to pass that we did gather together whatsoever things we should carry into the wilderness, and all the remainder of our provisions which the Lord had given unto us; and we did take aseed of every kind that we might carry into the wilderness.
  12 And it came to pass that we did take our tents and depart into the wilderness, across the river Laman.
  13 And it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, nearly a south-southeast direction, and we did pitch our tents again; and we did call the name of the place aShazer.
  14 And it came to pass that we did take our bows and our arrows, and go forth into the wilderness to slay food for our families; and after we had slain food for our families we did return again to our families in the wilderness, to the place of Shazer. And we did go forth again in the wilderness, following the same direction, keeping in the most fertile parts of the wilderness, which were in the borders near the aRed Sea.
  15 And it came to pass that we did travel for the space of many days, aslaying food by the way, with our bows and our arrows and our stones and our slings.
  16 And we did follow the adirections of the ball, which led us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness.
  17 And after we had traveled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents for the space of a time, that we might again rest ourselves and obtain food for our families.
  18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine asteel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.
  19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.
  20 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did amurmur against the Lord.
  21 Now  it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their asprings, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.
  22 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto acomplaining against the Lord their God.
  23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did amake out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my bfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?
  24 And it came to pass that he did ainquire of the Lord, for they had bhumbled themselves because of my words; for I did say many things unto them in the energy of my soul.
  25 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father; and he was truly achastened because of his murmuring against the Lord, insomuch that he was brought down into the depths of sorrow.
  26 And it came to pass  that the voice of the Lord said unto him: Look upon the ball, and behold the things which are written.
  27 And it came to pass that when my father beheld the things which were awritten upon the ball, he did fear and tremble exceedingly, and also my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and our wives.
  28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the afaith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.
  29 And there was also written upon them a new writing, which was plain to be read, which did give us aunderstanding concerning the ways of the Lord; and it was written and changed from time to time, according to the faith and diligence which we gave unto it. And thus we see that by bsmall means the Lord can bring about great things.
  30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the adirections which were given upon the ball.
  31 And it came to pass that I did slay wild abeasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.
  32 And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained afood, how great was their joy! And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.
  33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time.
  34 And it came to pass that aIshmael died, and was buried in the place which was called bNahom.
  35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did amourn exceedingly, because of the loss of their father, and because of their bafflictions in the wilderness; and they did cmurmur against my father, because he had brought them out of the land of Jerusalem, saying: Our father is dead; yea, and we have wandered much in the wilderness, and we have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and after all these sufferings we must perish in the wilderness with hunger.
  36 And thus they did murmur against my father, and also against me; and they were desirous to areturn again to Jerusalem.
  37 And Laman said unto Lemuel and also unto the sons of Ishmael: Behold, let us aslay our father, and also our brother Nephi, who has taken it upon him to be our bruler and our teacher, who are his elder brethren.
  38 Now, he says that the Lord has talked with him, and also that aangels have ministered unto him. But behold, we know that he lies unto us; and he tells us these things, and he worketh many things by his cunning arts, that he may deceive our eyes, thinking, perhaps, that he may lead us away into some strange wilderness; and after he has led us away, he has thought to make himself a king and a ruler over us, that he may do with us according to his will and pleasure. And after this manner did my brother Laman bstir up their hearts to canger.
  39 And it came to pass that the Lord was with us, yea, even the voice of the Lord came and did speak many words unto them, and did achasten them exceedingly; and after they were chastened by the voice of the Lord they did turn away their anger, and did repent of their sins, insomuch that the Lord did bless us again with food, that we did not perish.


127 posted on 04/28/2012 11:07:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: lawsone
They support scouting with the second largest (MODIFIED)scout organization in the nation.
128 posted on 04/28/2012 11:08:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: lawsone; Scoutmaster

A few words??


129 posted on 04/28/2012 11:09:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: lawsone
I would suggest we follow Matt: 7,2 and judge not.

Then there'd be no MORMONism.

130 posted on 04/28/2012 11:09:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: lawsone
I heard a Sacramento, California talk show host, who was 31 years in law enforcement say he never, to his knowledge, ever arrested a Mormon, and wondered about all of the negative talk.

Yup!!

There are none in HERE; either!



131 posted on 04/28/2012 11:12:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
YOU will be voting for evil - a man who supports the desecration of marriage and
institutionalized the financing and killing of babies.

In realville we know Romney won't be doing this when president. He caved a bit and screwed around a bit in incurably liberal Massachusetts or he never would have gotten elected. We already know how Obama behaves as president. Why on earth will Romney behave as bad as Obama? There is no percentage in him doing so, I don't get your reasoning

In your case the perfect is the enemy of the good

132 posted on 04/28/2012 11:13:03 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: lawsone
Harry Reid is a disgrace to The Church.

Funny; the folks at BYU do not seem to think so!

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695217316/Reid-gets-warm-reception-at-BYU.html

133 posted on 04/28/2012 11:13:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: lawsone
Ronald Reagan had 16 Mormons in the White House or in his cabinet.
He liked Mormons because of their work ethic and their honesty.
How can we revere Reagan as a President when he was surrounded by we Evil Mormons??

Number 12 @ reply 115

134 posted on 04/28/2012 11:18:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Scoutmaster; lawsone
Dr. Robert L. Millet is the emeritus Dean of Religious Education at Brigham Young University, a current BYU religion professor.

And a finer example of MORMONism cannot be found!!


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


135 posted on 04/28/2012 11:21:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Katarina
I know FR is the hate Romney forum but wouldn't it be better to not want him because of his stand on issues then his religion.

No problem there!

We DO!

His belief in heresy is mere icing on the cake!

136 posted on 04/28/2012 11:22:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dennisw

“In realville we know Romney won’t be doing this when president. He caved a bit and screwed around a bit in incurably liberal Massachusetts or he never would have gotten elected. We already know how Obama behaves as president. Why on earth will Romney behave as bad as Obama? There is no percentage in him doing so, I don’t get your reasoning

“In your case the perfect is the enemy of the good

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The amount silly statements in that one post may be a RINOmney record! Congratulations.

“Reallville”? I take it you are addressing me from your home aboard the RINO Love Boat.

You have no idea what Willard will do. You have his liberal actions to compare to his conservative words that began when he wanted to run for POTUS. One of his hires was a “Conservative Consultant” to teach him what to say. Google it.

He didn’t cave “a bit” - he was a total gay-loving, gay-supporting, baby-killing, big government loving liberal.

Glad you admit he has no conservative core, but just wanted to be a governor in MASS. That hasn’t changed.

You ask an inane question that has no bearing on anything.

Percentage???

In my case, I will vote for any creature who is 80% conservative, unless there is a better conservative. RINOmney isn’t even in the category of good. He is a Democrat with an R behind his name.

Good luck pulling the handle to promote gay marriage, adoption, government healthcare, the further erosion of liberty, the erosion of the dollar, and of course, the expansion of gay rights (witness his new gay military advisor).

I suggest you wipe that handle before you pull it...


137 posted on 04/28/2012 11:24:24 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Mozilla

Sorry, but this has nothing to do with Romney’s religion. If we had a Jewish president the country would not become Jewish. Supposedly all prior Presidents have been Christian of some denomination. Have they all been upstanding followers of Christ? Hmmmm?

And I think everyone kind of thinks it’s nice to have their fellow religionists in the WH. So I understand why Mormons might be tempted to vote Romney. I know that when Lieberman was veep candidate, I allowed myself to fantasize about a Jewish President. (Not him in particular — suicides would go up after each whining speech) I knew that we would have a woman, black, gay, Asian, President before a Jewish one though. We will be last. I didn’t even consider a Mormon President but it figures that EVERYONE will come before the Jewish one...

But if we TRULY believe in the religious freedom our country was founded upon, it should not matter that Romney practices his religion. I know we might have a sore spot that would keep a Muslim out of the White House... But we technically have one in there NOW! Obama IS a Muslim according to Islam, no matter what he professes to be. Muslims know he is Muslim. So there. I’d prefer a Mormon...


138 posted on 04/28/2012 11:25:09 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: dennisw
In your case the perfect is the enemy of the good

No; not the perfect: the heretic.

139 posted on 04/28/2012 11:25:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Yaelle
But if we TRULY believe in the religious freedom our country was founded upon, it should not matter that Romney practices his religion. I know we might have a sore spot that would keep a Muslim out of the White House...

So you are only biased against MUSLIMS.

OK then...

140 posted on 04/28/2012 11:27:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Yaelle
So there. I’d prefer a Mormon...

Thanks for this post...it is a perfect example of those who know NOTHING about mormonism, or Romney's role in it.

I won't waste bandwidth with examples...but the mormon church has had a goal since the 1830s of domination over the country and then the world. It is a multi-billion-dollar corporation that has a secondary goal, that of continually filling its coffers in order to reach goal #1.

There were plenty of us who warned against Obama and were scoffed at.

Pull that lever for Romney...God bless the country that there are enough of us that will cancel out that vote. I will vote down ticket for conservatives only.

Obama poorly hides his religion...Romney boasts of his because he is counting on the voters who know nothing of it.

141 posted on 04/28/2012 12:18:01 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: Elsie

So what ‘are’ the ‘other’ choices that would make it ‘possible’ to defeat Obama?


142 posted on 04/28/2012 2:02:08 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: dennisw

No my vote is not flushed down the toilet.
I said I will not vote for liberals whether they have an R or a D by their name, however thanks for confirming that Romney is a big a liberal as BHO but with an R by his name.
Voting for a liberal is voting a flushing toilet.


143 posted on 04/28/2012 2:51:28 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: dennisw

You forgot your sarcasm tag.
Romney is now and has always been a promoter of abortion.
Romney is now and has always been in favor of the homosexual agenda.


144 posted on 04/28/2012 3:06:28 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: dennisw
In realville we know Romney won't be doing this when president.

Thanks for slumming and imparting your "wisdom" on us. How did you acquire this knowledge? Because Mitt told you so? Only a fool would believe anything this man says. Is there any flip that he hasn't flopped on?

He caved a bit and screwed around a bit in incurably liberal Massachusetts or he never would have gotten elected.

A bit? Romney gave the liberal Democrats in Massachusetts just about everything they wanted. It wasn't like Romney was dragged kicking and screaming - he was generally leading the parade.

Why on earth will Romney behave as bad as Obama?

Because Romney's political philosophy has always been toward big government solutions and saving the bacon of his fat-cat buddies on Wall Street. Is there a major political issue on which Romney has taken a position substantially different position than Obama?

In your case the perfect is the enemy of the good

In Mitt Romney's case, he couldn't see the good part of the political spectrum if he stood in tower with a telescope. But he could have a conversation with Barak Obama without having to shout.

145 posted on 04/28/2012 3:31:24 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I won't waste bandwidth with examples...but the mormon church has had a goal since the 1830s of domination over the country and then the world.

I, however, have NO qualms about it!!




...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.

146 posted on 04/28/2012 7:08:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LibFreeUSA

ABR


147 posted on 04/28/2012 7:09:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LibFreeUSA

..or McCain...


148 posted on 04/28/2012 7:09:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: CommerceComet

I would rather have Mitt Romney stinking up the White House than Obama stinking up the White House. We can influence Romney and pull him rightward if we get a good Senate and House of Representatives. We have no influence over Obama and never will


149 posted on 04/28/2012 7:25:00 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: LukeSW
There's no other choice for you then to support and Promote Romney. Further you are carrying the LDS/'Progressive' mantel in stating that ......"this is not a time to launch a religious war (offensive or defensive) or fan the flames of religious prejudice and misunderstanding. It is a time to recognize the core evil we are fighting and pull together. "

The 'Motive' of the LDS membership to unite behind Romney for this country is deceptive as it's not a call to unite for "Our" country, rather to get the country in line to further the political agenda of his Organization/false church...and the advancement of that.

....I see you've been groomed and ready to divert the attention away from any investigation into the LDS or Romney. ...and attempting to re-focus onto Obama....Nobody needs to be educated here about Obama...and your tactic is well understood and known...even if you yourself might be unaware it is the usual for LDS and their brainwashing indoctrination, now being used to gain traction for the coming election of "their man" Romney and their political agenda.

Romney is 'more than a concern' for the well informed. Your so called religion is a cover for a huge corporate entity with a political agenda of it's own. It uses and abuses the membership in order to retain/recruit membership which sustains the revenues flowing to it's leaderships coffers and control of to advance their political/false religious agenda. A serious look into their landholdings , investments and investors nationally and International is a good first place to start in understanding the broad swath of this entities involvement here and worldwide....often protected from being investigated, (as with Scientology and other false front religions), by claiming itself as a religion.

I would not expect a member such as yourself to understand the stronghold of your affiliation with LDS. Few if any recognize it's dangers going in...and certainly LDS presenting a serious of ritual and step achievements to the next phase of indoctrination, is hardly visible to those who are "progressing" thru it's earned states of "enlightenment"....or those who have achieved such. It is designed that way...to Deceive... 'by increments' as is the standard for all cults and false religions.

However to promote that 'this is not the time' is a lie,.... when in fact it is a critical time to expose all there is about Romney,.... and most important to investigate just what is the Mormon 'political agenda'... which Romney is required to uphold and has stated firmly that he will, 'above' that of his oath to this country.

For that reason alone it is vital we know exactly what this organization is about...his position in it...and who he is responsible to for carrying out their agenda on this nation.

150 posted on 04/28/2012 7:54:37 PM PDT by caww
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