Posted on 04/27/2012 4:16:26 PM PDT by Mozilla
You seem to be more than a little biased about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members, even if your uncle is a former Bishop. And you are wrong on the facts. This, however, is not a time to launch a religious war (offensive or defensive) or fan the flames of religious prejudice and misunderstanding. It is a time to recognize the core evil we are fighting and pull together. Focusing on religious hyperbole (which looks and smells a lot like religious racism), and accusing Mormons of being brain dead about our beliefs plays only into the hands of the evil left.
I am a life-long Mormon and given time and opportunity I would be happy to explain why. Trust me, I know the truth in what I believe, and yet I know there is much about eternity, science, life and light, not to mention religion, yet to be learned. And I know Mitt. (Went to the same law school, attended Church in the same building, even interviewed once at his company). But I did not support him during the primaries. I wish he were more conservative.
Hopefully, the primaries have pushed him to the right. But if he becomes the nominee, I darn sure will support him. And not because I know him and am a member of his religion. And not because I want a Mormon in the White House (I don’t). And not because I believe Mitt will become less opportunistic and less of a pragmatic utilitarian who bases his decisions on cost-benefit calculations. (I can hope). I will support him for one reason only. Because I believe Obama MUST be defeated.
In the meantime, I heartily recommend the commentary on this subject by Dennis Prager. He is speaking with much wisdom:
Mormonism was founded upon Joe Smith’s extreme religious bigotry. When the sleazy obamanoid media finish showing Catholics what MormonISM is and how it started, I doubt even a liberal republican Catholic will vote for the ‘melchizedek high priest’ in MormonISM.
What did I say that was incorrect?
I don’t just have an uncle who is lds, I have many, many lds family and friends.
I know mormonism.
I never accused mormons of being brain dead about mormonism, but I might use that phrase in the future.
I do not support liberals whether they have an R or a D by their name.
Romney is a liberal, he is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it.
Interesting article.
However, mormonism is not Christianity, no matter what Prager implies. Joseph Smith was very clear about that.
We’re talking 6.1 million Mormons in a population base of about 310 million. I’m thinking we could survive.
I’m not voting for the POS, but this is not the reason.
The space he took in that seat was as far as his commitment went to his church - he was obeying the commandment 'keep holy the sabbath day' for himself, not the church.
Surely, you can see the difference in the involvement between Mitt as Bishop in Mormonism and Kennedy in Catholicism.
Folks, we’re electing a president, not a high priest!
Is this person you say your want to elect a high priest already? Seems you want to place a high priest into the oval office. Your analogy would only work if we elected a Catholic Bishop/Archbishop for President.
Now, you aren't speaking for me - because I voted for NEWT, and he is STILL on the ticket. He's a historian of our great country and a fighter for our Constitution to be adhered to and with plans to undo some of damages already done and put it on the right track. The strengths of any President should be in AMERICA and that is where Newt's strength is and what mitt is VOID of!
“You seem to be more than a little biased about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members, even if your uncle is a former Bishop. And you are wrong on the facts.”
Drive-by blank accusations are the height of intellectual dishonesty.
You’ve already received one request to name the statements uou believe to be inaccurate, let me add mine.
Whatever your claim, I speculate church documentation will most likely be the response ;^)
Just sayin’
Whatever your claim, I speculate church documentation will most likely be the response ;^)
Don't hold your breath waiting on that "documentation" thingy. No part of mormonism can be defended by the bible, except those parts directly plagiarized from the bible by J.Smith, King James era English and all. Some he stole from Free masons, the rest he made up himself.
The Old as well as the New Testament, however has plenty to say about false prophets and none of it is good.
“Folks, we’re electing a president, not a high priest!”
Except that Mitt is a bishop and former stake president, meaning he is very much a high priest of his Mormon religion. One who has admitted to performing baptism of the dead.
Excellent book!
“Ok, when left with a choice between a Muslim and Mormon do you even have to think about it?”
I’m not quite sure what the difference is.
I have had enough of those Mormin terrorists.
“One thing I have learned over my life is: ‘If you have tell me what you are, you probably AIN’T’.”
I have to agree.
Hence the suspicion when Romney describes himself as “severely conservative,” or when Mormons claim to be Christian.
No distinctive doctrine of Mormonism can be supported by the Bible and most can be positively refuted by the Bible. I have yet to meet a Mormon who is even reasonably competent in Biblical knowledge. Picking and choosing the verses to believe leaves gapping holes in their understanding.
yes, and every time they pull this type of trick on Romney, more Catholics remember that and think maybe the Obama folks are against all religions.
Is that the mantra of your people?
Will you now try to convince Christians that they are only allowed to vote for the democrat or the Mormon republican, that freedom to choose other options doesn't exist?
Do you remember that JFK was the end of America, and that the left put him in office?
Why do you believe the left when they try to convince you it was because he was Catholic, if that was the problem, then why did Protestants support him at a higher percentage than democrats had done in 12 years? They still voted republican as they always do, and always have, but they did give JFK a slight bump (43% of their vote).
JFK got 43% of the Protestant vote, which was slightly BETTER than the Democrats had done in a few elections. With no JFK there would have not Kennedy empire or Johnson, or Vietnam, or the 1960s, it was the election which destroyed us.
“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s. In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960. In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin. After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”
You don’t think that Mormons will vote for one of their church leaders, the patriarch of the 170 year Romney royalty, and a church Bishop, and son of a Bishop and nephew of a possible Prophet that died prematurely, and a descendant of the apostles?
You are incredibly wrong. Bishop Romney cleans up with the Mormon vote, like Kennedy did with the Catholic vote.
Obama will clean up with the atheist vote.
All “Christian” churches agree that Mormonism is a different, unique, non-Christian religion, it is wrong to use the phrase, “the other Christians”, Mormonism is not a Christian religion.
The Catholic church says that Mormonism is not a Christian religion, so do the Protestants, is Dennis Prager, the Jewish radio host ready to correct the Churches of the Christian faith?
I don’t buy your premise that any of those people hurt their churches, that seems absurd, but none of them were powerful leaders within their church.
Romney is a Bishop and Stake president, and headed for higher places within his cult.
I hope that you develop that explanation more in the future, that was choppy and quick, but very interesting.
To “not” vote for Romney (as distasteful as he is) is to vote for Obama.
“Polygamy is in Mitt Romney’s Heritage and Spirit “
Obama’s as well though
Get lost! To ‘not’ vote for NEWT is a guarantee to get Barry. That’s why I $upported and voted for Newt.
You guys were duped! The damn GOP are good at duping that’s for sure. They keep doing it and the idiots keep falling for it and that was your final test and failed.
Will I vote for the Mormon or the Musli Marxist?? That’s an easy choice for me. I can handle a Mormon dominated America for 4-8 years but America cannot handle this Kenyan POS for 4 more years
Nice rational reply .... Easy choice for me. I will vote for anybody but Obama and Romney being a Mormon is no obstacle. Do I vote for the American Mormon or the third world Muslim Marxist? Not a hard choice at all. Romney is not nearly as liberal as all the trash talk here tries to make him out to be.
Bitterness? LOL! I voted for Newt. And who said May 29th is too late - cheer up grumpy! Mitt’s bitterness just might be rubbing of you - shake it off before it sticks.
He’s poison, he’s a maggot, he’s a lecher who will suck the blood of America, he’s already sucked the spirit out of her.
The only one left with the spirit is Newt - and America runs in his veins!!
American? What’s American about baby killing and socialistic healthcare? He’s more fitting in a 3rd world country - his plans for America.
Mormon? Bishop Morman - the analogy is like voting for a Bishop/Archbishop from the catholic church for President but 100 times better, they don’t support baby killing and same sex marriages.
Oh, please! Mormons lie BIG TIME especially to a non mormon and then add 'trust me' - I'd rather run than walk away.
Mitt is NOT moving to any right - he doesn't know his right from the left. He is a LIBERAL and the LIAR doesn't belong on the GOP ticket. - And his record in MA is more than proof of that.
Your wishful thinking and the old ABO doesn't work on any INFORMED voter.
He has nothing to defeat Barry with - NOTHING and then his media support is gone by that time - the empty suit left out to dry while barry goes and makes mince maggot meat of him for his dogs.
I have my own wisdom, thank you. That's the problem - listen to this one and all his puppets chirp up! Voters being treated like they have no wisdom of their own - only PAID entertainers along with the PAID spineless in the GOP.
My wisdom comes from the GOP doing the same thing for at least 15 years.
They NEVER moved to the right as they are stuck on stupid - and this time - they are truly lost and went way to the left - wisdom says - don't listen to them - NOT ONE MORE TIME.
If so, I'd be stupid, also. I'm not checking in my brains for them - which would be needed to vote for their POS candidate.
“I have had enough of those Mormin terrorists.”
So has Texas, thankfully.
Just realized - this is the letter you sent to Romney! You forget to add his backstabbing, he likes blood on his hands. Evil usually does, especially if it is red, white and blue and, not just from America, but it's from Patriots, i.e., Newt and Sarah (which is common knowledge)Bloody Thursday!
“To ‘not’ vote for Romney (as distasteful as he is) is to vote for Obama.”
I have friends who were part of Eastern European underground resistance during World War II. Did they support Hitler by not supporting Stalin? Or did they support Stalin by not supporting Hitler?
Keep dreaming baby!! Keep emoting and exaggerating if that floats your boat. Even if Romney is as liberal as you claim (which he is not)he is a vast improvement over a Marxist Kenyan with his EPA tyranny and collusion with the Muslim brotherhood. Romney gets my vote....Easy. I am sick of Omama and Holder and their bs
One of the reason we have an Obama/Hilary to stand against is the Modern American Christians have become more concerned about not being seen as so called "bigots" instead of standing for what is right...
God's Grace brought forth America, God's disdain for what it has become can bring its' demise...
A please do not confuse people with reality. ;-)
Speaking of collusion...
1 - A LDS perspective on Muhammed (LDS.org)
http://www.lds.org/ensign/2000/08/a-latter-day-saint-perspective-on-muhammad?lang=eng
2 - U.S. Muslims share friendship, similar values with Mormons (LA Times, published in 2008)
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/02/local/me-morlims2
3 - Mormonism and Islam: Commonality and Cooperation Between Abrahamic Faiths (March 10 & 11, 2011 - Utah Valley University)
http://www.uvu.edu/religiousstudies/mormonismandislam/
4 - Ask a Mormon: What do Mormons think of Muslims (March 2010 - MormonWoman.org)
http://mormonwoman.org/2010/03/15/ask-a-mormon-woman-what-do-mormons-think-about-islam/
5 - Mormons and Muslims break fast together (Ramadan 2010 - Deseret News)
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705386347/Mormons-Muslims-break-the-fast-in-Southern-California.html
6 - Islamic Translation Service (Brigham Young University)
http://meti.byu.edu/islamic.php
Muslims attending BYU focus on similarities between Islam, LDS tenets (Deseret News - Dec 2009)
The Islamic Translation Series is designed not only to further scholarship in the study of Islamic philosophy, theology, and mysticism, but, by encouraging the translation of Islamic texts into the technical language of contemporary Western scholarship, to assist in the integration of Islamic studies into Western academia and to promote global perspectives in the disciplines to which it is devoted.
Islamic civilization represents nearly fourteen centuries of intense intellectual activity, and believers in Islam number in the hundreds of millions. The texts that will appear in ITS are among the treasures of this great culture. But they are more than that. They are properly the inheritance of all the peoples of the world.
Brigham Young University and its Institute for the Study and Preservation of Ancient Religious Texts are pleased to sponsor the Islamic Translation Series. In doing so, we hope to serve our fellow human beings, of all creeds and cultures.
These are multiple sources, post 9-11, all of which are Mormon or Mormon-friendly.
Mormons are good citizens, raise good families, believe in keeping out of debt,try to give service where needed. They support scouting with the second largest scout organization in the nation. I joined The Church 58 years ago and have never heard The Saviors name used in vain from an active Mormon. Thousands of church buildings world wide are paid for when they are dedicated. Thirty Thousand, (and growing)
missionaries from third world countries have been advanced money for Education, or job training programs to pull them out of generations of grinding poverty, and it is working. Mitt is not perfect but his lifetime has been filled with good conservative ideas. In the Church we are encouraged to vote, but never how to vote.
I heard a Sacramento, California talk show host, who was 31 years in law enforcement say he never, to his knowledge, ever arrested a Mormon, and wondered about all of the negative talk.
I would invite you to attend a Mormon Sunday service and go to lds.org where you can access our teachings, which are from the scriptures not from other books written by Church members.
Yes, we are different, but we love and worship Jesus Christ and will be judged by Him, John 5:22
I would suggest we follow Matt: 7,2 and judge not.
God bless you.
Really not as liberal.
Both Romney and BHO are:
pro abortion
pro homosexual agenda
pro government mandate
pro welfare
pro gun grabs
pro big government
pro liberal judges
pro man made global warming
........really not liberal huh?
Mormons are good citizens, raise good families, believe in keeping out of debt,try to give service where needed. They support scouting with the second largest scout organization in the nation. I joined The Church 58 years ago and have never heard The Saviors name used in vain from an active Mormon. Thousands of church buildings world wide are paid for when they are dedicated. Thirty Thousand, (and growing)
missionaries from third world countries have been advanced money for Education, or job training programs to pull them out of generations of grinding poverty, and it is working. Mitt is not perfect but his lifetime has been filled with good conservative ideas. In the Church we are encouraged to vote, but never how to vote.
I heard a Sacramento, California talk show host, who was 31 years in law enforcement say he never, to his knowledge, ever arrested a Mormon, and wondered about all of the negative talk.
I would invite you to attend a Mormon Sunday service and go to lds.org where you can access our teachings, which are from the scriptures not from other books written by Church members.
Yes, we are different, but we love and worship Jesus Christ and will be judged by Him, John 5:22
I would suggest we follow Matt: 7,2 and judge not.
God bless you.
No the lds jesus is a created being, the Biblical Jesus is eternal - not the same.
Sorry the Bible says we are to judge everything against the Word of God - mormonism fails.
The other stuff you wrote is so far from reality of mormonism as to be laughable.
Ronald Reagan had 16 Mormons in the White House or in his cabinet. He liked Mormons because of their work ethic and their honesty. How can we revere Reagan as a President when he was surrounded by we Evil Mormons??
Harry Reid is a disgrace to The Church. He and his policies are totally out of line with anything Mormons believe in.
Where is the church control? Why isn’t he silenced? Because that is not what is done by Church leadership.
I wonder if it means there will be more door-knockers bicycling around the neighborhoods selling their brand of religion????
Reid is a temple mormon.
Reid has received awards from BYU and SLC because he is a good example of what mormons should be.
Reagan did not subscribe to mormonism just because there may have been mormons in his cabinet.
Waiting for an answer.
What did I say that was incorrect?
You’re comparing apples and oranges.
Nowhere did I say I was going to sit out the election.
I will vote, I will not vote for liberals whether they are an R or a D.
I am a carnivore, I would never vote for a vegetarian party candidate.
As far as beer goes, except for some German styles I do not care for them, now a hearty red wine along with some good cheese you betcha.
Sorry...claims that Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith, is the brother of Satan, that He was conceived by God having sex with Mary, that He was married, that He was a man who "progressed" to godhood...on and on and on....mormonism has taken the name of the Savior "in vain" from the very founding of the mormon sect.
The following was taken from the official LDS genealogy site. The arrogance of claiming that God requires baptism into the mormon church is total blasphemy.
Baptism of the Lord God Almighty
| name: | Lord God /Almighty/ |
| gender: | Male |
| birth: | 0 Heaven |
| submitter: | tgibson1105076 |
| submission date: | 14 Jun 2007 |
| submission id: | MM78-N6M |
| person count: | 26,408 |
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