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Glenn Beck, National Decline And The Story Of The Roman Empire ^ | April 28, 2012 | Jerry Bowyer

Posted on 04/28/2012 8:08:07 AM PDT by Kaslin

In my last installment in this series I argued that talk show host Glenn Beck was raising legitimate concerns about the state of the nation, but that he had a history of predictions of imminent disasters which did not pan out. Why didn’t they? After all, the left really does have a strong totalitarian bent. No nation is guaranteed eternal life, let alone eternal prosperity and hegemony. And the United States is, indeed, aggressively moving in the wrong direction.

So why didn’t the dollar collapse? Why is it still the reserve currency of the world? Why don’t we have hyperinflation? Why did gold stall and then fall last summer? Was there a food shortage? Nope. Widespread urban violence? Nope. Depression, stock market collapse, bond market collapse? Nope, nope and nope. Why not?
Because that’s not how it works. Great nations do not suddenly lose reserve currency status or hyperinflate or collapse economically—not unless they lose a war or are destroyed by natural disasters. The archetypal decline and fall story is that of Rome. It was the eternal city, supposedly, but nevertheless its gates came crashing down and its cities were trodden over by rude barbarian feet. And all of this happened just as the great classical philosophers had warned it would.
The Catos and Ciceros of Rome warned about the decline of Rome as it was first turning away from Republic and toward empire.  But Rome didn’t actually ‘fall’ in a definitive sense until  498 years after the death of Cicero and 499 years until after the death of Cato. The process of lost freedoms, corruption, imperial overreach and decay, and final definitive collapse lasted almost as long as the rise of the Roman republic; the great age of political warning appeared as the midpoint of Rome’s history, not the end. The classical conservative statesmen were right, but premature. History, like Clouseau, declared, “Not now, Cato,” and delayed its judgment for half of a millennium.
And the currency markets followed the same pattern. Empire, bread and circuses, all cost a lot of money, and were partially funded by currency debasement. However, the Roman Denarius did not collapse in value overnight.  The long journey from a denarius composed of 6.8 grams of silver struck in 269 BC, through the first debasement down to 4.5 grams half a century later, then under Caeser Augustus down to 3.9, under the loathsome Nero 3.4 grams, under a long series of debasing emperors down to 3 grams and finally in the mid-2nd century AD phased out of existence and replaced by other currencies, all told took about half a millennium.  This is a remarkable feat considering the way that Rome, and by extension her currency, was hated by the world she had enslaved. The famous passage in the synoptic Gospels in which the religious leaders ask Jesus whether they should pay taxes to Caesar turns partly on Rome’s status and as issuer of the known world’s reserve currency.

“20 So they (the chief priests and the scribes inserted by J.B.) watched Him,and sent spies who pretended to be righteous, that they might seize on His words, in order to deliver Him to the power and the authority of the governor.
21 Then they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, we know that You say and teach rightly, and You do not show personal favoritism, but teach the way of God in truth: 22 Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
23 But He perceived their craftiness, and said to them, “Why do you test Me?24 Show Me a denarius. Whose image and inscription does it have?” They answered and said, “Caesar’s.”
25 And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
26 But they could not catch Him in His words in the presence of the people. And they marveled at His answer and kept silent.”
The story illustrates a great deal about currency relations between the nations. First, the premise of the story is that the Roman coinage was hated. The Roman Denarius was inscribed with an image of Caesar Tiberius and the title ‘Son of the Divine Augustus’, in other words, ‘Son of God.’ It was a reminder of both the political and the religious domination of Rome.  This was the same coin used to pay the equally hated Roman poll tax. If Jesus said to pay, He would be associating himself with the unpopular Romans. If He said not to pay, He would be fostering rebellion and the Romans would execute Him.
Jesus skillfully turned the question around. He Cuba-Goodingly asks them to ‘Show me the money.’ and voila, there it is; they have the money. The religious leaders who have been railing against the evil Romans and their wicked idolatrous money, just happen to have some there in their pockets. Point made: The Roman Denarius was silver backed, stable (at least at that point in history) and accepted for trade purposes throughout the known world.
Rome maintained a pirate-suppressing free trading system across the known world and the Jews, along with every other group in the empire benefited from it.  Jesus’ friend, Joseph of Arimathea had become wealthy (according to early church historians) as a tin import/export merchant between Jerusalem and Britain. Jesus’ hometown of Nazareth exported balsam around the world. His disciples were from Bethsaida and Capernaum, not so much fishing villages, but more fishing industrial hubs which sold not just salted fish, but also mass manufactured fishing equipment around the world. St. Paul traveled the Ancient world partly in tow to Lydia who was an international dyed clothing distributor. All of this was transacted with the Roman Denarius. It didn’t matter that it was hated. It mattered that it was universally accepted for commercial purposes and held its value better than the alternatives.
When the leaders of Jerusalem revolted against Rome the first time in 66 AD, they threw out the hated Roman silver coins and minted patriotic shekels, out of the baser bronze. The coinage, of course traded at much lower values against the Roman coins despite strong political pressure for its use. When Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, they printed a special commemorative coin depicting a woman weeping next to an olive tree (a traditional symbol of Israel which sold olive products around the world in Roman denarius-denominated transactions), to symbolize the widows of Israel weeping for their departed husbands. When Israel Revolted again 63 years later under Bar Kochba  (which translates as son of the star, a reference to the prophecy that the messiah would be born under a star) it rounded up the Roman coins and reminted them with Hebrew lettering and patriotic phrases.
As you can see, coins in the ancient world were spiritually, culturally and politically charged matters.  But in the end, the value of the metal determined the value of the coin, a fact perhaps grudgingly learned between the first rebellion and its debased, bronze shekels and the second rebellion with its re-stamped silver denarii. Not being a numismatist, my observations on this matter may well be incorrect, but I feel confident that someone will be willing to step forward and offer any needed corrections.
Not all Jewish coinage was used for rebellion propaganda purposes; more often it was used for quisling propaganda purposes. The Rah-rah-Rome Herodian dynasty routinely minted coins with Latin or Greek lettering, honoring Caser and the various Herods. The cultural syncretism visible in the presence of images such as Roman eagles and Palestinian palm branches.  Herod Agrippa, the ruler during Jesus adulthood, minted a coin which showed three ears of barley. This may well be the explanation for Jesus’ quizzical reference to Herod as “A reed shaken by the wind”, which may be more a matter of political satire aimed at Herod’s shaky alliance with Rome, then of some mystical spiritual metaphor.
The point of all of this is that as shaky as Rome’s coinage was and as much as it was hated by captive people of the empire, it would last another 200 years due chiefly to a lack of alternatives. Reserve currencies do not generally crash quickly, though they do crash. Great nations are generally granted many reprieves, many amnesties, many second chances. I’m not saying that we’ve got another 200 years, if we continue down our current path of debt and debasement. I don’t know how much time we have for course corrections.
All this amounts to the following:  I’m not ready to give up on us yet, but I’m definitely read to hedge my bets.

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: ancientcultures; rome
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To: greyfoxx39

Well, I have only seen one episode of the Oval and it is odd, to say the least.

As for Romney, I heard Beck support Santorum and shrug about his expectations for Romney. And, to be honest, endorsements mean little to me. I don’t have any enthusiasm for Romney, but he isn’t Obama, he isn’t a Marxist, he isn’t out to subjugate the USA to the Muslim and totalitarian world. I will vote ABO.

Code words, white horses, prophecies: I really don’t care. I hear people all the time saying that there are code words and prophecies belonging to the Christians or the Jews and then using that to denigrate political candidates. I have read about Mormonism. It isn’t anything I believe in, but I have seen Mormons IRL and they are good, stable people, for the most part.

The culture is not dependent upon Beck or Romney. It might be less malignant if it were. It is epitomized by the present administration and the media and anything that undermines or at least blocks them is a better choice, at least for now.

41 posted on 04/28/2012 11:21:05 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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Yep, his predictions are coming to fruition. I never heard him say that they would happen tomorrow. He keeps saying prepare... It’s amazing how people fail to comprehend and understand the English language—must be that fine government education, so when does dumbing down just go to stupid?

42 posted on 04/28/2012 12:12:34 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (Be strong in truth!)
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To: Kaslin

Dont kid yourself. Be prepared no matter what. Rome didn’t have satellite dependency, electricity dependency, oil dependency, digital money, digital voting, EPA, wmd’s, emp’s, suitcase nukes, weaponized viruses, muslim jihadists, Nancy pelosi, spook presidents, fake mass media etc etc.

43 posted on 04/28/2012 2:09:00 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: Kaslin

Rome could have collapsed in one second if the barbarians had nuclear weapons.

44 posted on 04/28/2012 2:34:50 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Mamzelle

I was quoting from the article.

45 posted on 04/28/2012 2:48:49 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: SuzyQue

We aren’t an Empire, yet. We still have an elected form of government. But each year we get closer and closer to the final end of the Republic.

46 posted on 04/28/2012 4:10:18 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

It started well before that. All they way to the founding of the country. Read deeply, and of all sides. The warnings of the philosphers of the 18th century have beome the reality of today.

47 posted on 04/28/2012 4:16:24 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kaslin

So what Jesus was saying is that I owe taxes to George Washington, Andrew Jacskon, and Thomas Jefferson. Right?

48 posted on 04/28/2012 4:19:57 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Kaslin

The Roman coinage went up occasionally. Emperor Domitian debased it more than usual, then complained that prices were raised to compensate. Emperor Jovian (the last pagan emperor) issued a new coin with more silver, and the empire responded wonderfully. A friend of mine reminded me that the world grades on a curve. We don’t have to have a perfect money, but just better than the alternatives. We have a chance to take over the world again, through an orgasm of good government. I look forward to a growth moment like the US post reconstruction and before Teddy Roosevelt.

49 posted on 04/28/2012 5:38:23 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: PGR88
Interesting chart, no doubt acquired by nondestructive assay methods on sample coins.

Some of the data points are interesting in that the persons tied to them were ephemeral, like Didius Julianus, who "ruled" as "emperor" for three short months after the infamous forced "sale of the Empire" by the Praetorian Guards. Julianus himself was done away with, and the Guards subjected to military punishment of some sort, on the arrival of Septimius Severus and the armies of the East.

Elagabalus was a Severan transvestite homosexual who shocked Roman sensibilities when he arrived from Syria (Septimius Severus had aquired family contacts and a wife when he commanded in the East; he himself was Punic, from Leptis Magna in North Africa, and had a Semitic accent, as did all Carthaginians and other overseas Phoenicians). He was one of the later Severans and singularly lackluster as a ruler. He built a huge temple in the Forum whose foundations remain today. Philippus "the Arab" was known for two things: being a poisoner (how he came to power) and for celebrating the huge games of Rome's millennium.

Pupienus and Balbinus were mayfly dual emperors -- their duality modeled on the consulate, and prefiguring the later division of the Empire -- imbued with power by the Senate for the purpose of disposing of the tyrannical Thracian (or German) giant and military emperor Maximinus Thrax, whom they besieged in the city of Aquileia (near Venice) until Maximinus's own troops killed him.

Valerian ended his life in Persian captivity; the Persian Great King Shapur I used him, in full imperial regalia, as an equestrian footstool until Valerian died of abuse and exposure to the elements. Shapur then had Valerian's corpse stuffed (why does this sound familiar?), dressed in his garments and armor, and displayed with his imperial emblems in Shapur's family fire-temple. It was after this disaster that Valerian's son Gallienus substantially reorganized the Roman army from an infantry to a heavy-cavalry (cataphractary) army with a large, mobile field force, the pattern of the next 200 years followed by, among others, the sub-Roman Briton chieftain, Arthur, and for even longer under the Byzantine Empire.

Claudius II Gothicus was emperor for two years until killed by his troops -- a common occurrence. But he is numbered among the "good" military emperors.

50 posted on 04/28/2012 7:22:23 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

I don’t know who created the chart, but I found it very interesting. It was part of an article about how Roman “money printing,” to cover the cost of their hugely complex Empire eventually created serfdom in Europe. I have been trying to find more information on this.

Perhaps they chose the Emperors they did specifically because they were weak, corrupt and ineffectual?

51 posted on 04/29/2012 9:07:22 PM PDT by PGR88
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