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Paul Ryan Suddenly Decides That He Hates Ayn Rand
New York Magazine ^ | 4/27/2012 | Dan Amira

Posted on 04/28/2012 11:29:19 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Yesterday, Ryan claimed that Ayn Rand's philosophy "reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview." But in 2005, Ryan said, "The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand," and in 2003, he claimed that he gave out copies of Atlas Shrugged as Christmas presents. And those two examples are really only the tip of the Rand-love iceberg. Is this how you impress Mitt Romney? By proving that you can flip-flop as egregiously as


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1 posted on 04/28/2012 11:29:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Looks like Paul is getting the Alinsky treatment from mindless numb nuts who cannot reasonably attack his budget proposal...


2 posted on 04/28/2012 11:39:56 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: nickcarraway

Rand is exciting when first read, but she is not the ultimate philosopher. It is OK to outgrow her.


3 posted on 04/28/2012 11:40:40 AM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: nickcarraway

You can love the book “Atlas Shrugged”, and credit Ayn Rand for shaping your views, without actually accepting her viewpoint. Apparently, the concept that your views are shaped by hearing alternate views is something beyond the grasp of a typical journalist.


4 posted on 04/28/2012 11:42:42 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: greatvikingone

Agreed.

Rand never took into account the possibility of a huge communist nation, taking the role of “Galts Gulch”.

Unfortunately, neither have any of her adherents.

(of which I once was)

“Free trade” is a large part, of America’s decline.


5 posted on 04/28/2012 11:43:03 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Obama ate his own dog as a child in Indonesia??)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Yeah. Her ideas on government relations with the citizens can be good while not having to accept living in a world without people in general.


6 posted on 04/28/2012 11:49:49 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Are you implying that America's entrepreneurial class packed up and moved, holus-bolus, to China?

If so, in what way is free trade to blame (as opposed to a myriad of other government actions, which dull the competitive edge)?

7 posted on 04/28/2012 11:53:22 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

No offense, but all of that is sophistry.

I care not about all the theory and blame.

I simply opine that America has given away, and will never get back, the thing which most contributed to American power.

“Free trade” has been a historic blunder by America, and treachery by those who have contributed, for nothing more than monetary gain.

Selling out one’s own country for monetary gain, is called treason.


8 posted on 04/28/2012 11:57:51 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Obama ate his own dog as a child in Indonesia??)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Funny thing is many have come back to the USA for quality reasons.


9 posted on 04/28/2012 12:00:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; nickcarraway; darkwing104; greatvikingone; CharlesWayneCT; ...
Rand never took into account the possibility of a huge communist nation, taking the role of “Galts Gulch”.

Well, without a magical invisibility shield, China is about as close to being able to implement Galt's Gulch as you can find ove rthe pasy decade.

Will it be able to sustain? Probably not. Neither could Rand's fantasyland. Dagny the only chick in town? It was headed for disaster.

Anyhow, Rand's philosophy about capital and commerce was ok, but her application of it to brutal, loveless passion between men and women as the only rational relationship was weirdness. That's the way genius goes I guess. Get one thing right, and misapply it to everything.

10 posted on 04/28/2012 12:00:56 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
“Free trade” has been a historic blunder by America, and treachery by those who have contributed, for nothing more than monetary gain. Selling out one’s own country for monetary gain, is called treason.

That is non-sensical hyperbole.
Specificallt WHO sold out America? And what problem do you have with "monetary gain", ie., making money?

11 posted on 04/28/2012 12:12:49 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I have a problem with monetary gain, which results in American loss.

That is treason.

Couldn’t be any simpler. All the rest is distraction.


12 posted on 04/28/2012 12:15:13 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Obama ate his own dog as a child in Indonesia??)
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To: nickcarraway

We never did get part two of that movie, did we....


13 posted on 04/28/2012 12:21:18 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t care. I find Rand dull and naive. I’ve yet to figure out why ppl get all excited about her. Atlas Shrugged is an utter bore.

Hand in there Ryan.

Santorum 2012


14 posted on 04/28/2012 12:23:24 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: greatvikingone

Very well put


15 posted on 04/28/2012 12:26:06 PM PDT by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: CharlesWayneCT; darkwing104; greatvikingone

I saw an obviously heavily edited video of Mike Wallace interviewing Ayn herself. Her eyes were darting back and forth and her admissions were damaging (although as I say must have been edited a lot because they do nto jive with her real beliefs in some instances) So Ryan probably saw this hit video where a lot of Republicans are shown saying they were influenced by Ayn etc, and making them look horrible by painting her as a witch. A huge Alynsky/media/rat tactic is to attribute to their targets “everything” an objectionable person stands for or says unto their target. Such as if Romney would say he listens to Rush, they then accuse Romney of believing and standing for EVERYTHING Rush espouses. Crazy. [But NEVER attribute any of Rev Wright’s crap to Bambi or Mooch-elle - his 20 year disciples]


16 posted on 04/28/2012 12:27:25 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t see how Ryan could say he is a acolyte of Ayn Rand and vote for TARP and endorse the auto company [union] bailouts.


17 posted on 04/28/2012 12:27:45 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: nickcarraway

Great job of standing on your principles, Paul. But then, I doubt he ever understood Rand anyway.


18 posted on 04/28/2012 12:32:14 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: greatvikingone

There is much in Rand that is correct, some even inspiring, and some of it just blighted. But nobody makes the moral case for market capitalism, rather than the practical case, more passionately.


19 posted on 04/28/2012 12:33:33 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: shalom aleichem
Rand was one of my influences.

I still remember her commercial for the New York Daily News. They had a campaign where they had writers (from Rand to Jimmy Breslin) endorse the paper. Literally the only words you could make out in the entire ad were "Ayn Rand" and "Daily News." But given the fervency of her acolytes (somewhat like the Paulies), that was probably enough.

20 posted on 04/28/2012 12:37:14 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Exactly!


21 posted on 04/28/2012 12:40:40 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: shalom aleichem
The art is always greater than the artist who made it. In real life Rand wasn't anything close to her alter-ego Dagny Taggart...but she was able to give us Dagny Taggart.

As for Ryan, he is a Congressman - not a social worker. His job would be far better done based on Rand's principles (restraining government to the role of neutral arbiter) than those of Aquinas.

22 posted on 04/28/2012 12:46:57 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: TBP

Here is an article that shows how desparately media tries to pillory Republicans because they say something nice about Rand’s philosophy. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75667.html


23 posted on 04/28/2012 12:47:26 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: RIghtwardHo

I did not dive in to the “Atlas Shrugged” book, but the movie was an eyeopener. I can only asuume the book is a philiosophy book, because it sure isn’t about technological innovation. The technical/economic dscussions about Reardon metal were a joke and made Star Trek’s transparent aluminum seems much more plausible. Don’t even get me started on that stupid engine they found. An utter fantasy and complete nonsense.


24 posted on 04/28/2012 12:52:53 PM PDT by BRK
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To: greatvikingone; Impy; fieldmarshaldj
>> Rand is exciting when first read, but she is not the ultimate philosopher. It is OK to outgrow her. <<

Ayn Rand put me to sleep when first read. Glad to see Paul Ryan has the joined the "conservatives who don't like Rand's stuff" club, but I've been a member since High School.

25 posted on 04/28/2012 12:59:53 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: TBP; fieldmarshaldj; Impy
But given the fervency of her acolytes (somewhat like the Paulies) <<

There's a lot of overlap between Ron Paulistians and Ayn Randroids. If I had to guess, I'd say 80% of Ron Paul worshippers also worship Ayn Rand, and vice versa. Their ultimate fantasy would be to resurrect her from the grave so she can be Paul's running mate.

26 posted on 04/28/2012 1:03:22 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: All

For a look at our future, read “Anthem” by Ayn Rand.....


27 posted on 04/28/2012 1:07:28 PM PDT by JW1949
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To: nickcarraway

Lots of people, including yours truly, are conflicted about Ayn Rand and Objectivism. Aspects of her philosophy are attractive to Conservatives, especially as the Democratic (and to a lesser extent while giving lip service to freedom and individualism, the Republican) Party has become ever more overtly Marxist. But without a moral foundation based on some belief in a higher power and purpose to human existence it is coldly sterile.


28 posted on 04/28/2012 1:25:59 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: sam_paine

Good point.

Rand is an interesting writer, and made some good points. However, she is a cold fish when it comes to understanding normal human life. Her own history is an example.

It is rather normal for a person to have different views at different times: it is a way of maturing.


29 posted on 04/28/2012 1:47:31 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
‘free trade’ isn't really free trade according to true economic principals, nor is crony capitalism, capitalism.
30 posted on 04/28/2012 1:48:54 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Careful, CNN, you’ve given name to one of the elephants crowding the modern conservative room... you can expect howls of astonishment and calls for your head. But honestly, as damning as it sounds, protecting our industrial base is inconsequential if we won’t even protect our own borders.


31 posted on 04/28/2012 1:50:06 PM PDT by Chiltepe
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To: nickcarraway
"reduces human interactions down to mere contracts

That the innocent should pay is the demand of those who reject the trader principle.This leads to subjectivistic egoism,force, the ends justify the means,might makes right, and violations of natural rights.

32 posted on 04/28/2012 1:51:10 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: JW1949

For a well reasined expose of our (regressively tribal) present, read “Return of the Primative” (Sharpton-Martin-Zimmerman?)


33 posted on 04/28/2012 1:57:31 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: greatvikingone

If one is a politician nothing is ok


34 posted on 04/28/2012 1:59:31 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: nickcarraway

I vehemently disagree with Ayn Rand’s political ploy of “going Galt”. I think it is a very dangerous way to demonstrate against the corrupt political-economic situation that the collectivist bundlers are ramming down our throats for the purpose of controlling us and seizing all our wealth.

I recently attended my local Tea Party’s monthly meeting. The speaker told us that “America will not survive another four years with Obama as President” period. He ignores our Constitution and he will have all of the “flexibility” to sell out our country to our enemies while he literally destroys our capability to sustain our standard of living here at home by “crucifying” our energy producers through his regulations and executive orders as he confiscates our wealth through higher taxes and continues his massive irresponsible, unbudgeted spending to the point that we won’t even be able to pay the resulting interest portion let alone the debt, itself.

I asked what we can do at the grass roots level. The response was, to sign up as a precinct committee member. Have a say in selecting “conservative” members for elected office. Guard against the expected massive fraud by volunteering to observe the voting procedures at your local polling place in November. Visually take notes while observing and let them see you writing your notes and don’t leave your post for anything, until well after the polls close and the votes are properly documented and turned in.

Above all, don’t “go Gault”. Don’t give up your right to the freedom that protects us all - your vote.


35 posted on 04/28/2012 1:59:52 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH (None dare call them "communists" per their ideologies and policies...)
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To: mjp
This leads to subjectivistic egoism,force, the ends justify the means,might makes right, and violations of natural rights.

and thus the entire record of human history. When will we ever learn?

;^)

36 posted on 04/28/2012 2:01:56 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Funny thing is many have come back to the USA for quality reasons.

This is the way it usually works with any country that is not free. Free countries like Japan make junk, them better junk, then good products, them excellent products. The people advance as the quality of the products advance.


37 posted on 04/28/2012 2:02:28 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: nickcarraway; Publius

Phone call for Mr. Publius. Calling Mr. Publius.

A rather interesting real life turn of events good sir.

May God guide our course out of this mess.
Tatt


38 posted on 04/28/2012 2:04:48 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: thesearethetimes...

Saw the article. Had it been longer and more substantive, I would have pinged the book club.


39 posted on 04/28/2012 2:05:56 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Tanniker Smith

I think it is supposed to be out in the fall. Before the election...

Tatt


40 posted on 04/28/2012 2:06:59 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Publius

Well, THAT was quick ; )


41 posted on 04/28/2012 2:11:18 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: nickcarraway; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Wisconsin: THe left attacks Paul Ryan — again

FReep mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


42 posted on 04/28/2012 2:22:26 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: nickcarraway

“Every era has a currency that buys souls. In some the currency is pride, in others it is hope, in still others it is a holy cause. There are of course times when hard cash will buy souls, and the remarkable thing is that such times are marked by civility, tolerance, and the smooth working of everyday life.” Eric Hoffer


43 posted on 04/28/2012 2:34:03 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You couldn’t be more wrong, Free Trade is the only thing that has kept us going since we backed or currency with gold, Thank You Nixon for destroying the currency and making the connected and the billionaire oligarchs who have a direct line to the treasury and the Fed our masters. If we would have let them fail in the fall of 2008 this fiscal nightmare would be over and billionaires would be millionaires and the old guard would have been properly replaced by the new entrepreneur, the young guns creating something the people want.


44 posted on 04/28/2012 2:34:37 PM PDT by qman
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To: Sea Parrot

What an evil man, only a communist could say such a thing. The truth is buying souls is something only devils do. Not everyone has a price Mr Holder, something I suspect will be born out over the next generation as our children give their lives and blood and sacred honor to rescue this nation and it’s Ideals from people like you!


45 posted on 04/28/2012 2:41:43 PM PDT by qman
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To: RIghtwardHo
Rand was born in Russia in 1905, and left for America in 1926. She witnessed the whole Bolshevik catastrophe first hand, including the persecution of her parents. But hey, what did she know about collectivism compared to a worldly wise einstein like you, who has read all about it. Naive indeed.
46 posted on 04/28/2012 2:41:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: BRK
Such are used to make the big picture understandable. I think Rand was among the first to give concrete voice as to where we were headed, and in that regard she was right, for we are almost there now.
47 posted on 04/28/2012 2:42:49 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: nickcarraway

She remained a radically extreme atheist until shortly after her death.


48 posted on 04/28/2012 2:44:40 PM PDT by Tau Food
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To: qman

Sorry hoffer, not holder. I will look this guy up but I suspect I won’t like him much! Even if he is devote of Rand!


49 posted on 04/28/2012 2:46:26 PM PDT by qman
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To: greatvikingone
Rand is exciting when first read, but she is not the ultimate philosopher. It is OK to outgrow her.

Have you ever read anything besides her novels? It's in her essays and Epistemology that she lays out, explains, and justifies her philosophy.

50 posted on 04/28/2012 3:00:53 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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