Skip to comments.Paul Ryan Suddenly Decides That He Hates Ayn Rand
Posted on 04/28/2012 11:29:19 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Yesterday, Ryan claimed that Ayn Rand's philosophy "reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview." But in 2005, Ryan said, "The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand," and in 2003, he claimed that he gave out copies of Atlas Shrugged as Christmas presents. And those two examples are really only the tip of the Rand-love iceberg. Is this how you impress Mitt Romney? By proving that you can flip-flop as egregiously as
Rand is exciting when first read, but she is not the ultimate philosopher. It is OK to outgrow her.
You can love the book “Atlas Shrugged”, and credit Ayn Rand for shaping your views, without actually accepting her viewpoint. Apparently, the concept that your views are shaped by hearing alternate views is something beyond the grasp of a typical journalist.
Rand never took into account the possibility of a huge communist nation, taking the role of “Galts Gulch”.
Unfortunately, neither have any of her adherents.
(of which I once was)
“Free trade” is a large part, of America’s decline.
Yeah. Her ideas on government relations with the citizens can be good while not having to accept living in a world without people in general.
If so, in what way is free trade to blame (as opposed to a myriad of other government actions, which dull the competitive edge)?
No offense, but all of that is sophistry.
I care not about all the theory and blame.
I simply opine that America has given away, and will never get back, the thing which most contributed to American power.
“Free trade” has been a historic blunder by America, and treachery by those who have contributed, for nothing more than monetary gain.
Selling out one’s own country for monetary gain, is called treason.
Funny thing is many have come back to the USA for quality reasons.
Well, without a magical invisibility shield, China is about as close to being able to implement Galt's Gulch as you can find ove rthe pasy decade.
Will it be able to sustain? Probably not. Neither could Rand's fantasyland. Dagny the only chick in town? It was headed for disaster.
Anyhow, Rand's philosophy about capital and commerce was ok, but her application of it to brutal, loveless passion between men and women as the only rational relationship was weirdness. That's the way genius goes I guess. Get one thing right, and misapply it to everything.
That is non-sensical hyperbole.
Specificallt WHO sold out America? And what problem do you have with "monetary gain", ie., making money?
I have a problem with monetary gain, which results in American loss.
That is treason.
Couldn’t be any simpler. All the rest is distraction.
We never did get part two of that movie, did we....
I don’t care. I find Rand dull and naive. I’ve yet to figure out why ppl get all excited about her. Atlas Shrugged is an utter bore.
Hand in there Ryan.
Very well put
I saw an obviously heavily edited video of Mike Wallace interviewing Ayn herself. Her eyes were darting back and forth and her admissions were damaging (although as I say must have been edited a lot because they do nto jive with her real beliefs in some instances) So Ryan probably saw this hit video where a lot of Republicans are shown saying they were influenced by Ayn etc, and making them look horrible by painting her as a witch. A huge Alynsky/media/rat tactic is to attribute to their targets “everything” an objectionable person stands for or says unto their target. Such as if Romney would say he listens to Rush, they then accuse Romney of believing and standing for EVERYTHING Rush espouses. Crazy. [But NEVER attribute any of Rev Wright’s crap to Bambi or Mooch-elle - his 20 year disciples]
I don’t see how Ryan could say he is a acolyte of Ayn Rand and vote for TARP and endorse the auto company [union] bailouts.
Great job of standing on your principles, Paul. But then, I doubt he ever understood Rand anyway.
There is much in Rand that is correct, some even inspiring, and some of it just blighted. But nobody makes the moral case for market capitalism, rather than the practical case, more passionately.
I still remember her commercial for the New York Daily News. They had a campaign where they had writers (from Rand to Jimmy Breslin) endorse the paper. Literally the only words you could make out in the entire ad were "Ayn Rand" and "Daily News." But given the fervency of her acolytes (somewhat like the Paulies), that was probably enough.
As for Ryan, he is a Congressman - not a social worker. His job would be far better done based on Rand's principles (restraining government to the role of neutral arbiter) than those of Aquinas.
Here is an article that shows how desparately media tries to pillory Republicans because they say something nice about Rand’s philosophy. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75667.html
I did not dive in to the “Atlas Shrugged” book, but the movie was an eyeopener. I can only asuume the book is a philiosophy book, because it sure isn’t about technological innovation. The technical/economic dscussions about Reardon metal were a joke and made Star Trek’s transparent aluminum seems much more plausible. Don’t even get me started on that stupid engine they found. An utter fantasy and complete nonsense.
Ayn Rand put me to sleep when first read. Glad to see Paul Ryan has the joined the "conservatives who don't like Rand's stuff" club, but I've been a member since High School.
There's a lot of overlap between Ron Paulistians and Ayn Randroids. If I had to guess, I'd say 80% of Ron Paul worshippers also worship Ayn Rand, and vice versa. Their ultimate fantasy would be to resurrect her from the grave so she can be Paul's running mate.
For a look at our future, read “Anthem” by Ayn Rand.....
Lots of people, including yours truly, are conflicted about Ayn Rand and Objectivism. Aspects of her philosophy are attractive to Conservatives, especially as the Democratic (and to a lesser extent while giving lip service to freedom and individualism, the Republican) Party has become ever more overtly Marxist. But without a moral foundation based on some belief in a higher power and purpose to human existence it is coldly sterile.
Rand is an interesting writer, and made some good points. However, she is a cold fish when it comes to understanding normal human life. Her own history is an example.
It is rather normal for a person to have different views at different times: it is a way of maturing.
Careful, CNN, you’ve given name to one of the elephants crowding the modern conservative room... you can expect howls of astonishment and calls for your head. But honestly, as damning as it sounds, protecting our industrial base is inconsequential if we won’t even protect our own borders.
That the innocent should pay is the demand of those who reject the trader principle.This leads to subjectivistic egoism,force, the ends justify the means,might makes right, and violations of natural rights.
For a well reasined expose of our (regressively tribal) present, read “Return of the Primative” (Sharpton-Martin-Zimmerman?)
If one is a politician nothing is ok
I vehemently disagree with Ayn Rand’s political ploy of “going Galt”. I think it is a very dangerous way to demonstrate against the corrupt political-economic situation that the collectivist bundlers are ramming down our throats for the purpose of controlling us and seizing all our wealth.
I recently attended my local Tea Partys monthly meeting. The speaker told us that America will not survive another four years with Obama as President period. He ignores our Constitution and he will have all of the flexibility to sell out our country to our enemies while he literally destroys our capability to sustain our standard of living here at home by crucifying our energy producers through his regulations and executive orders as he confiscates our wealth through higher taxes and continues his massive irresponsible, unbudgeted spending to the point that we wont even be able to pay the resulting interest portion let alone the debt, itself.
I asked what we can do at the grass roots level. The response was, to sign up as a precinct committee member. Have a say in selecting conservative members for elected office. Guard against the expected massive fraud by volunteering to observe the voting procedures at your local polling place in November. Visually take notes while observing and let them see you writing your notes and dont leave your post for anything, until well after the polls close and the votes are properly documented and turned in.
Above all, dont go Gault. Dont give up your right to the freedom that protects us all - your vote.
and thus the entire record of human history. When will we ever learn?
Funny thing is many have come back to the USA for quality reasons.
This is the way it usually works with any country that is not free. Free countries like Japan make junk, them better junk, then good products, them excellent products. The people advance as the quality of the products advance.
Phone call for Mr. Publius. Calling Mr. Publius.
A rather interesting real life turn of events good sir.
May God guide our course out of this mess.
Saw the article. Had it been longer and more substantive, I would have pinged the book club.
I think it is supposed to be out in the fall. Before the election...
Well, THAT was quick ; )
Wisconsin: THe left attacks Paul Ryan — again
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“Every era has a currency that buys souls. In some the currency is pride, in others it is hope, in still others it is a holy cause. There are of course times when hard cash will buy souls, and the remarkable thing is that such times are marked by civility, tolerance, and the smooth working of everyday life.” Eric Hoffer
You couldn’t be more wrong, Free Trade is the only thing that has kept us going since we backed or currency with gold, Thank You Nixon for destroying the currency and making the connected and the billionaire oligarchs who have a direct line to the treasury and the Fed our masters. If we would have let them fail in the fall of 2008 this fiscal nightmare would be over and billionaires would be millionaires and the old guard would have been properly replaced by the new entrepreneur, the young guns creating something the people want.
What an evil man, only a communist could say such a thing. The truth is buying souls is something only devils do. Not everyone has a price Mr Holder, something I suspect will be born out over the next generation as our children give their lives and blood and sacred honor to rescue this nation and it’s Ideals from people like you!
She remained a radically extreme atheist until shortly after her death.
Sorry hoffer, not holder. I will look this guy up but I suspect I won’t like him much! Even if he is devote of Rand!
Have you ever read anything besides her novels? It's in her essays and Epistemology that she lays out, explains, and justifies her philosophy.