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South Florida Survivalists Prepare for the Apocalypse
Miami New Times ^ | Thursday, Apr 26 2012 | Stefan Kamph

Posted on 04/28/2012 11:14:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: JRandomFreeper
And brother, you are preparing, one way or another. You are preparing to be part of the problem, or part of the solution.

Excellent way of putting it.

51 posted on 04/29/2012 7:50:50 AM PDT by bgill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Millions of American Survivalists Prepare

I think the gist of the article was that millions of Americans have taken no other preparation measures other than buying a gun and some ammo and these are the people the "preppers" will have to defend themselves against.

52 posted on 04/29/2012 7:58:54 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well put, JRandom.

There is no way in Hell that my family is going to be dependent on the largesse or competence of Government if this break down. We will be the folks who say to them “Thanks, but those folks down the way are much worse off than we are. If you could leave some xxx we’d be grateful. But take your stuff over there where they really need it.”

L


53 posted on 04/29/2012 8:15:57 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: spirited irish

As a member of the Bildebergers Kissinger should know ...


54 posted on 04/29/2012 9:13:11 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“There are more hunters in just Michigan than any army on earth can field.”

Add-in just Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, and the numbers get H-U-G-E. Factor-in all 50 (or is it 57?) States, and it’s M-A-S-S-I-V-E.

Just saying...


55 posted on 04/29/2012 9:24:51 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: nickcarraway

Reference bump .... Thanks! ;-)


56 posted on 04/29/2012 9:31:27 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: GladesGuru

When the SHTF do you think the Big Cypress will get inundated with east/west coast urbanites thinking they can hole up out there?


57 posted on 04/29/2012 9:36:01 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: spirited irish
As for the preppers, it seems to me that only with hardened hearts can they feed themselves while all around them are those who are starving.

Thanks for the tip on the "hardened heart" .. I'll start working on that next week as part of my preparations.

It's easy to find excuses not to prepare (aka "due diligence"). Is your home also not insured against fire?

58 posted on 04/29/2012 9:38:28 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: reformedliberal

“Doxycycline has a 2 year shelf life. After that, it can turn toxic. “

Yea, I saw that...definitely keep clear. But that seems to be the only ones that really get harmful (rather than lose potency)...so having 50% Amox definitely beats 0%, after ‘it’ happens.


59 posted on 04/29/2012 9:44:48 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Graybeard58

“What’s the shelf life of unrefigerated insulin?”

Please don’t ask me...I have no clue and would never venture anything. But you might want to think about a direct solar-powered refrigerator, as that can only help things, after ‘it’ happens. The nice thing about a solar refrig is that as it loses power due to cold weather, you don’t need it to operate as much.


60 posted on 04/29/2012 9:48:11 AM PDT by BobL
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To: The Duke
I always thought you were a little hard-hearted. ;)

You can tell some folks, but you can't tell 'em much. The nay-sayers eventually shut-up and slink off, because they can't stand to look at themselves as useless and unprepared, when others are preparing.

/johnny

61 posted on 04/29/2012 9:52:25 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: exnavy
But the image of the hostile sociopath hoarding guns under a tarp is an outdated one, and it's not good PR for those who want others to prepare. Survivalism has gone family-friendly, and its proponents call themselves "preppers."

Translation - the 'press' has discovered liberals are 'prepping' too... so they can't trash people concerned about the future. What hypocrisy.

62 posted on 04/29/2012 10:12:33 AM PDT by GOPJ (Obama's father, grandfather and great-grandfather were polygamists.-ALL,including Obama ate dogs!!)
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To: spirited irish

“As for the preppers, it seems to me that only with hardened hearts can they feed themselves while all around them are those who are starving.”

One has but a limited number of cheeks to turn, you know.

Ask yourself what the Urban Ferals would not take from you, if society breaks down even just long enough to give the Ferals a chance? Now ask yourself what they would not do to you and yours if they did not fear the police?


63 posted on 04/29/2012 10:18:46 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Lurker
"We will be the folks who say to them “Thanks, but those folks down the way are much worse off than we are. If you could leave some xxx we’d be grateful. But take your stuff over there where they really need it.” "

Yup.

Three days after Katrina hit and the electricity was still out, the Red Cross from Nebraska showed up handing out MRE's....we were on the back deck having garlic bread, spaghetti and wine.
We invited them for some lunch and advised them to go to another road because no-one on this road will need MRE's. I was suprised when they said they were not allowed to go to another road.

64 posted on 04/29/2012 10:21:27 AM PDT by blam
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To: spirited irish

“And if this proves to be the case, then preppers will be forcibly overcome. Their bunkers will not survive the fire-power used against them.”

Possibly true, but I ask that you consider The Case Of The Finnish Sniper”. One man, with only a bolt action rifle, killed over 500 Russian soldiers. He did this in winter, when tracking him was far easier than tracking in most of America, most of the time.

As a sniper, he didn’t shoot from a known bunker, he kept moving.

Coming from both an American and a Jewish background, I am aware of the possibilities. I am also not going to become a bar of soap without a fight.

Those unwilling to fight will be killed in unspeakable fashions.


65 posted on 04/29/2012 10:27:49 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: spirited irish

“Just my thoughts for what they are worth.”

Your thoughts have no value to others except to inform that in a long term emergency with no water/food, you will die.


66 posted on 04/29/2012 10:53:19 AM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: nickcarraway

It must be nice for liberal journalists to feel so secure that they can make fun of those who prepare for contingencies. They’re like the oblivious welfare-recipients of New Orleans, watching Katrina head to shore. Except that they all went to Columbia for J-school.


67 posted on 04/29/2012 10:55:30 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: GladesGuru
I am also not going to become a bar of soap without a fight.

Took me a minute to process that. Oy.

Bless you. Fight well.

/johnny

68 posted on 04/29/2012 11:01:37 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GladesGuru
Body Armor: Because If You’re Shooting Down Range, You Can Bet Someone’s Shooting Back At You

Food… check.

Water… check.

Guns and ammo… check.

Gold, silver and bartering supplies… check.

Most of those who have taken steps to prepare for a post-collapse America have acquired the basic essential goods and trading supplies that will be needed in the event of worst-case economic, financial or societal collapse.

We’ve created bug-out, bug-in, and self defense plans that we hope will be sufficient enough to give us the edge against potential thieves, looters and criminals who will undoubtedly be coming for our supplies when resources in the general population begin to run dry.
Stocked with the latest in SHTF weaponary and ammunition, the overwhelming majority of us believe that we’ll be able to neutralize any threat that may present itself.

69 posted on 04/29/2012 11:02:40 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
.we were on the back deck having garlic bread, spaghetti and wine.

That's what I'm talking about. Some folks know about my finances just can't understand how I always manage to have great meals, regardless of the circumstances.

No point in suffering just because things turned into crap.

In my humble opionion, it's not just about survival, it's about living the fullest life possible, with whatever you happen to have available. Beans and rice can be boring and hateful, or they can make you go get a third helping. The difference is in the attitude and training.

/johnny

70 posted on 04/29/2012 11:06:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Rebelbase

“When the SHTF do you think the Big Cypress will get inundated with east/west coast urbanites thinking they can hole up out there?”

For their sake, I hope not. Much of the year the bugs will drive them back or drive them mad. The ‘Glades is hot, humid, and generally not an acceptable habitat for people.

The Everglades is the usual textbook example of a nutrient deficient habitat and thus is a low bio-productivity area. Deer are few in number, small, and small mammals are scarce. In some areas, excrementious management by ParcPersons has resulted in near total depletion of the deer herd.

ParcPersons also extirpated the wild hog and pythons are finishing off the survivors. Recent freezes killed off the ocaras and the fish biomass has yet to recover.

Worst of all may be the response of the Indians. Because the Americas didn’t develop distilled beverages, the Indigenous did not develop the tolerance to alcohol which Caucasians taker for granted. Thus alcoholism is a major issue with the Seminole and Miccosukee Indians. Add in the drug issues resultant from vast amounts of casino income, and then ask what will happen when supplies of alcohol and drugs are cut off.

Another factor is that there is s simmering hatred of whites amongst a significant number of Indians. This may mean that the Everglades Indians will not be the same as the Navaho during WW II. Don’t expect a “Code Talker” level of committment to either you or your presence in land which some feel is theirs when it can be retaken.

Beyond the cultural issues, be they past sins against the habitat by those to whom we entrusted the Everglades, or perceived sins against the Indians, the most important issue will be why the urban areas are being moved away from

If a biological attack occurs, may well be seen as carriers. If a nuking has occurred, then the survivors will not be seen as walking biohazards.

In any case, the question boils down to how many can the limited dry land areas support and for how long? How those reaching the area can manage to keep a semblance of order will determine how the entire human population of the area survives.

If travel devolves to the level where vehicles are attacked for their fuel, then all bets are off regarding a rapid return to some semblance of an ordered American society.

If travel is still possible, then a moderate number of people could find refuge for some period of time in the ‘Glades.

Long term survival for even a portion of the present Indian population would be difficult without technical supplies from a present day level of American civilivation.

The Everglades never supported a population of any size until the white civilization arrived. Take that away, and history will repeat itself.


71 posted on 04/29/2012 11:17:55 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru

For any FReeper who wants to obtain their CCW permit, I will teach the NRA pistol course which will be accepted by teh State of Florida (and many other states) as the required training for your CCW application.

The cost will be just enough to cover the paperwork and training materials NRA charges. ‘Course, a contribution to FR would be appreciated.

;-)

I have a small private range where I teach a low key, data rich program in handgun self defense. Yes, I do lived in the interior of the ‘Glades. Yes, bug spray is advised. No, the ‘gators won’t eat you. Neither will the bear, cougar or python.

And, you ask - how can I say that?

Because being armed means being at the top of the food chain, that’s why.


72 posted on 04/29/2012 11:27:12 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: JRandomFreeper; spirited irish

Johnny, when Ike came through, I was without power for five days. That did not bother me - due to preps, I had a working TV, working telephone, good water as long as I needed it, a way to stay cool in the Texas heat and sleep in relative coolness, way to heat/cook, plenty of good food, medical supplies if I needed them and a supply of my required medicines, way for people to assume there was no one in house, and security measures to kick spirited irish’s butt if he showed up wanting my stuff.

I am a woman, but you are dead if you try to come in my house.

You bet, I am prepared to last a very long time and have everything I need.


73 posted on 04/29/2012 11:31:40 AM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: GladesGuru
Opposable thumbs and the intellegence to use them rock!

/johnny

74 posted on 04/29/2012 11:39:45 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella
but you are dead if you try to come in my house.

Amen! Preach it, Sister.

I did manage to train both my daughters to the same standard. In fact, the youngest wants me to check in with her before I sell or trade a firearm, she's claiming first right of refusal for stuff she hasn't inherited yet. ;)

It's empowering to be able to carry on when stuff turns into crap. But there are people out there that panic over a flat tire.... I don't get it.

/johnny

75 posted on 04/29/2012 11:43:25 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JDoutrider

mark @com2


76 posted on 04/29/2012 12:13:14 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Impeach! Incarcerate! Deport!)
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To: Olog-hai

So you’re saying its biblical to let your family starve to death?


77 posted on 04/29/2012 12:45:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GladesGuru

Never underestimate the imagination of someone who has been soundly refuted.


78 posted on 04/29/2012 12:58:42 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: reformedliberal

In some cases its the binder which turns toxic and not the medicine itself. Many medicines become less effective with age but don’t turn toxic.

The link Kartographer provider earlier is a good reference and provided by an MD - http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/07/a_doctors_thoughts_on_antibiot.html


79 posted on 04/29/2012 1:35:01 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I am familiar with that link.

Even at this stage of the global economy, collapse or not, it is all getting a bit problematic. Shortages of some medications, fewer generics, most production overseas, and I read recently that even common medical supplies, like tubing, are mostly being manufactured abroad.

My husband tries to stay 2-3 years ahead on his personal meds. Otherwise, we have med staff/clinician friends who are stockpiling some injectable antibiotics and other items. So far, they say they have been able to work around the shortages and, of course, they are knowledgeable about substitutions. IMO, they know what is most stable and, as important, which antibiotics, et al, are best for what. From what I read and have learned otherwise, it is important to know which antibiotic to use for which sort of infection. Then, there is knowledge if dosage and side effects/interactions.

That is a lot of knowledge that is not that easy for the layperson to assimilate.


80 posted on 04/29/2012 2:39:33 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: nickcarraway

Good post - thanks


81 posted on 04/29/2012 2:54:02 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: spirited irish

It is the fact that , while you could conceivably feed one beggar in Spain, if you tried to feed them all, you would soon be a beggar, yourself. And if you became known as someone who was feeding beggars, you would soon be overrun with them.


82 posted on 04/29/2012 2:58:49 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: spirited irish
As for the preppers, it seems to me that only with hardened hearts can they feed themselves while all around them are those who are starving.

On a national scale, it is this kind of daffy, feel-good thinking that has led to the impending bankruptcy of the nation.

Sometimes adults have to be able to make rational, informed judgements and distinguish between want and need, between what feels good and what is sensible and sustainable, between eating your feed corn or not.


83 posted on 04/29/2012 3:29:40 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: reformedliberal

I purchased a physicians desk reference book and a nurses guide to drugs based on the recommendation of a nurse friend. I also have numerous other medical references. My goal is to have a basic level of knowledge myself and supplies for most basic problems. Perhaps if its something serious there will be someone around who can use those items to help.

As you say its unrealistic to develop this level of knowledge as a hobby.


84 posted on 04/29/2012 3:32:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

One thing you need to understand is that the PDR is basically a reprint of what the drug company puts in the box with the meds. It is a good basic guide but cross check what you read there.


85 posted on 04/29/2012 3:48:26 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: GladesGuru

Your sentiments are perfectly reasonable, and I for one find no fault with them.

However,the constant subject of the article under discussion is the advent of something on the order of an apocalyse rather than a hurricane, a house fire as one poster sarcastically alluded to, or perhaps a war fought in another country.

With a hurricane for instance, one may reasonably expect to recover since the rest of the nation is intact and able to send help. But an apocalypse speaks of wholesale devastation with no expectation of help from a neighboring state.

It is on the basis of an apocalyptic scenario that my observations rest.


86 posted on 04/29/2012 4:02:33 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish; GladesGuru

“It is on the basis of an apocalyptic scenario that my observations rest.”

Still doesn’t make any sense. I am not the government, nor am I responsible for everyone else. Charity is one thing but sacrificing my family to help someone else isn’t moral.

Each and every person has an individual responsibility to care for themselves.


87 posted on 04/29/2012 4:13:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Iron Munro

“On a national scale, it is this kind of daffy, feel-good thinking that has led to the impending bankruptcy of the nation.”

Spirited: You have confused feel-goodism with a realistic assessment. Unless a person is a conscienceless psychopath then he will in fact have to “harden his heart” in order that he may in any way kill another human being.


88 posted on 04/29/2012 4:16:33 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: nickcarraway

I’ve met the Neal in this story. Good guy and their group has some other good folks in it.


89 posted on 04/29/2012 4:25:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: spirited irish
Unless a person is a conscienceless psychopath then he will in fact have to “harden his heart” in order that he may in any way kill another human being.

Would that derogatory appellation apply to a prepper who decided to "kill" his own child by giving their stored food to a mooching stranger who did nothing at all to prepare for his own well being?


90 posted on 04/29/2012 4:27:25 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Iron Munro; spirited irish

Let me get this straight. If you set aside provisions to prepare against lean times, as people have done for thousands of years, then you are evil.

However, if you choose not to provide for yourself or your family then you are on a higher moral ground.

Is that it?


91 posted on 04/29/2012 4:31:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Graybeard58
"What's the shelf life of unrefigerated insulin? I don't take it but my wife does."

Lawsy, man. Get one of those 6-pack size DC coolers and enough solar array capacity to run it.

Or, if you live anywhere where the temp. gets below freezing in the winter, dig a big-assed hole in the ground, insulate the hell out of it, and put in plastic jugs of frozen water (aka ice). My New England forebears used to cut ice out of ponds and ship it all over the world for food preservation and to last through the year. They had to use sawdust for insulation. Foam insulation works MUCH better.

92 posted on 04/29/2012 4:36:53 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: GladesGuru
"Coming from both an American and a Jewish background, I am aware of the possibilities. I am also not going to become a bar of soap without a fight."

Good on you, bro. It's a shame that so many of your genetic cousins here in America seem unable to grasp the notion. I daresay that those who managed to make it out of Europe ahead of the indigenous soapmakers don't have that blindness. Especially those concentrated at the east end of the Mediterranean. THEY "get it".

93 posted on 04/29/2012 4:47:26 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: nickcarraway

ok too weird. i just ordered these last night after spending about 4 hours of research. i ordered amoxicillin and ciprofloxacin online from california vetetinary supply. total was about 55 dollars for both. 250 mg 100 pills each.


94 posted on 04/29/2012 5:01:40 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: spirited irish

In response to your thoughtful reply, may I inject a chilling, but perhaps unavoidable thought?

Perhaps, it may be that Paul Johnson was correct when he said that if the American experiment in self government failed, that which would come afterward would be unspeakably worse.

And, “Unspeakable” squats in the White Hut as I type.

Another thought: “The survivors will envy the dead”.

That will be assured if the survivors are unable to force the acceptance of basic civilization upon the Ferals.


95 posted on 04/29/2012 6:01:30 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: blam

Gadz! I really dislike body armor. It’s hard for a 50+ year old to run in, and I have trouble finding a carrier that will fit around my belly...............;)


96 posted on 04/29/2012 7:00:25 PM PDT by Sarajevo ( Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk.)
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To: CitizenUSA
This summer, a water main ruptured in my neighborhood.

Mine had two breaks within a week of the other in the last month. One in front of my home.

Seeing the water in the street I wasted no time getting water in every bucket and basin I had. The idea of not being able to flush the toilet was enough to scramble!!!!!.... Amazing the comfort you have even in something as simple as storing water.....

97 posted on 04/29/2012 8:21:04 PM PDT by caww
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To: blam

That’s very interesting! Good idea for picnics and bar-b-ques as well..... I’m going to do that for my families next get together.


98 posted on 04/29/2012 8:28:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: Iron Munro

You’re welcome.


99 posted on 04/29/2012 11:12:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I was in South Florida in the '80s. I expect post -apocalyptic Oregon to be about the same. :)
100 posted on 04/30/2012 10:43:56 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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