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Samsung outstrips iPhone sales to ring up record profit
The Guardian ^ | Friday 27 April 2012 04.28 EDT | Associated Press

Posted on 04/29/2012 7:34:53 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

A surge in Galaxy smartphone sales fuelled earnings at Samsung Electronics to a record high in the first quarter, usually a tough season for the global consumer electronics industry, outshining handset rivals such as Nokia.

Samsung sold more smartphones in the first three months of the year than Apple and raked in more than 70% of its operating profit from mobile businesses. Shares in Samsung shot up nearly 3%.

Net profit nearly doubled from a year earlier to a record 5.05 trillion won (£2.75bn) for the quarter to 31 March.

Operating profit also hit a record high, at 5.85 trillion won, which was in line with expectations. Sales rose 22% from a year earlier to 45.3tn won.

Strong demand for high-end smartphones, such as the Galaxy Note and the Galaxy S2 introduced last year, helped mask lower profit from memory chips, another Samsung flagship business.

"It was a shock for semiconductor, a surprise for handset," said Lee Ka-keun, a Seoul-based analyst at Hana Daetoo Securities.

The Suwon, Korea-based company expects to outdo its record profit in the coming quarters. It will announce a new version of the Galaxy phone next week and global demand for personal computers is picking up, bringing more cash to memory chip-makers.

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Samsung's mobile communications division, which includes smartphones, pocketed 4.27tn won of operating profit in the quarter after seeing significant sales growth of high-end smartphones in developing markets including China, a key battlefield for mobile phone makers.

After narrowly beating Apple last year, Samsung's smartphone sales exceeded Apple's by a large margin in the first quarter. Strategy Analytics said Samsung became the world's top smartphone maker, selling 44.5m handsets in the January-March period, followed by Apple's 35.1m.

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KEYWORDS: apple; galaxy; iphone; samsung
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To: Swordmaker

It was 1984 man. There’s only so much that could be done with a piece of computing the size of a deck of cards. They did it. It was a PDA. Not a fancy PDA, not a touch screen PDA, but it was still a PDA. Apple, like always, WAS NOT FIRST.


51 posted on 04/29/2012 5:30:26 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Swordmaker

[singing] People that you meet, along the street, are using Samsung...


52 posted on 04/29/2012 5:49:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Gator113
ANOTHER QUESTION: Am I going to hate myself for not waiting for the iPhone-5 that ‘could’ come out this summer?????

The biggest, all but certain, feature of the next iPhone will be LTE 4G, because the new iPad has it. That's the main reason I'm sticking with the iPhone 4, not even considering the 4S. LTE is going to give you much faster data, faster than most DSL and some cable modems, if you happen to be someplace that has 4G service. It's also going to burn through that monthly data cap a lot faster.

Other than that, you can pretty much count on a faster processor, faster graphics, more memory and an improved camera. I would be surprised if there's anything as big in the next iPhone as Siri was in the current one.

53 posted on 04/29/2012 7:13:12 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Eva
The real reason for this is that the Obama administration worked to hold down ATT by denying the buy out of T-Mobile.

Best decision the 0bozo regime ever made was to effectively stop the crappy AT&T from taking over T-Mobile. I love my service and the very good rates I get from T-Mobile. The last thing I need is for AT&T to take over T-Mobile and ruin it. And I am speaking as a guy that used to have AT&T several years ago. I managed to escape from their clutches. Never again!

54 posted on 04/29/2012 7:22:21 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: discostu
Usually what they are is the first one to make gadget Y popular and profitable.

By being the first to make it useful.

I simply pointed out that smartphones existed at least a decade before the iPhone so saying Apple invented the market is simply, oh lets use your words, deliberately obtuse.

The market for smartphones before the iPhone was limited to a tiny market of geeks, and I say that as someone who owned three Treos. You could say the same thing about digital music players before the iPod and tablets before the iPad.

With the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad, before Apple's product came out, nothing on the market looked or worked like it; within a year, every product on the market looked and worked like it (or was trying to). That might not constitute a giant technological leap, but it's certainly creating a market.

55 posted on 04/29/2012 7:27:00 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Swordmaker
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Hey, didn't you try to deny that overall Android cell phone sales had overtaken iPhone sales when that phenomenon started as well?
56 posted on 04/29/2012 7:27:42 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: the invisib1e hand
just to keep things real: what might be a “record” profit for samsung isn't necessarily in the same league as one for Apple

Record profits fr Samsung are record profits for Samsung. It has nothing to do with record profits for IBM, or Apple or whoever. You need to try a bit harder mate.

And even then we'll still have to acknowledge that Samsung’s (and everyone else’s profits) were made possible by Apple's effective innovation”

Apple neither invented the cell phone, or touch screens or the smart phone. In fact if anything, it is Apple who's profits have been made possible by the people who invented the cell phone in the first place:
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-07-09/tech/cooper.cell.phone.inventor_1_car-phone-cell-phone-building-phones?_s=PM:TECH

57 posted on 04/29/2012 7:33:41 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: ReignOfError

Not necessarily. Plenty of times the competition was more useful, but they didn’t have the market penetration. Apple is really good at making sure the faithful know about the new stuff.

The smartphone market is still actually pretty small and still actually dominated by gadget geeks.

No that’s not creating a market, that’s creating a style and having a bunch of competition that’s dumb enough to think that’s why Apple products sell. Notice their most successful competition AVOIDS looking like Apple products, because they’re smart enough to realize that’s a dead end, people that want stuff that looks like Apple want Apple, people who don’t want Apple don’t want Apple knockoffs either, they want something else. Probably, especially in the current market conditions, something that isn’t touchscreen, OK that might just be my bias talking as I absolutely loathe touchscreens. But really a lot of the successful competition in the smartphone market is avoiding the touchscreen, so maybe it isn’t just me.


58 posted on 04/29/2012 7:35:49 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: ReignOfError

Wish me luck and no regrets..... not more than 30 minutes ago I went ahead and ordered the iPone 4S... it will be here Tuesday.

I got to try out the Siri on my daughters 4s tonight.... I think that is going to work very well for me.


59 posted on 04/29/2012 7:37:15 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You hoid it here: Apple was invented by Commies. CPUSA members. Gus Hall was around then, he must have been the “angel investor”, pardon the religious inference. And Apple didn’t invent shiite (didn’t even invent the word ‘shiite’ substituting for you know what word.)

But seriously. I don’t know any more whose products to use: Lenovo - Commies, Google - Commies (one of the two founders in fact arrived from the Commie land), Microsoft - Commies, shall I go on?

(Full disclosure: Apple products owned: 0.)


60 posted on 04/29/2012 7:45:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: discostu
Not necessarily. Plenty of times the competition was more useful, but they didn’t have the market penetration. Apple is really good at making sure the faithful know about the new stuff.

More useful, like the Archos Jukebox? The Treo? The endless Windows tablets that amounted to laptops with the keyboard hacked off?

The smartphone market is still actually pretty small and still actually dominated by gadget geeks.

Half a billion smartphones shipped in 2011 alone. There aren't that many gadget geeks.

Notice their most successful competition AVOIDS looking like Apple products, because they’re smart enough to realize that’s a dead end, people that want stuff that looks like Apple want Apple, people who don’t want Apple don’t want Apple knockoffs either, they want something else.

Capacitive multi-touch screen covering nearly all of the face, no hardware keyboard. That describes no smartphone before the iPhone, and the vast majority of smartphones now. That describes no tablet computers sold before the iPhone, and every one trying to compete with it now. If they're trying to avoid looking like Apple products, they're doing a piss-poor job.

61 posted on 04/29/2012 7:55:52 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

More useful like all their GUI competition before they finally did it right with OSX. Or many of the Symbian based phones.

Part of the smartphone growth now is they’re all smart. Tried buying a non-smart cellphone lately? Heck even $20 disposable trackfons can browse the freaking web now. But the high end of the smarts still aren’t that big, iPhone is at under 5% of the handheld market.

I didn’t say their weren’t knockoffs, but look at the phones actually doing well in the market vs the iPhone. You’ve got a lot of mini-keyboards a lack of touchscreens. And a lot of the tablet competition is avoiding it too. You’re suffering from confirmation bias, only paying attention to the stuff that looks like Apple. I’m probably suffering from it too since “looks like Apple” means touchscreen and I won’t buy stuff with touchscreens. There’s plenty of “doesn’t look anything like Apple” out there.


62 posted on 04/29/2012 8:04:42 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: SmokingJoe
Hey, didn't you try to deny that overall Android cell phone sales had overtaken iPhone sales when that phenomenon started as well?

I follow the facts, not the hype. When it HAD NOT, I pointed out the correct facts. When it did, I also pointed out the correct facts. In this instance, in the US, AT&T's last quarter figures show 75% of their smartphone sales were iPhones, better than 50% of both Verizon and Sprint sales, in the same quarter were iPhones...

AND, in this last quarter, the world wide figures, when researched, AGAIN show that they are comparing Apples to a combination of Apples and Oranges... Apple only sells smartphones while Samsung sells both smartphones and also sells feature phones and basic phones and reports the combination in their Mobile phone sales numbers. Apparently, this article is using that combined gross sales figure, confabulating the total sales of Samsung phones sold with Samsung SMARTPHONES sold. . . AND, Samsung shipped a piss-pot full of un-sold Samsung Galaxy III phones into the inventory stream in the last two weeks of the quarter, stuffing the warehouses and shipping lanes. Out the door, but not into consumer's hands. Apple only counts iPhones as sold when they are sold to end users.

The New Samsung Galaxy S III phone costs about the same or more to manufacture and the subsidy from the carrier's is actually HIGHER and the per unit cost from the subscriber is MORE at a reported $249 per handset on introduction (that's what the Galaxy II was, and is now available in India at 12,000 rupees [$246] with 2 year contract), than it is for the iPhones... and APPLE picks up the support costs of the iPhone and iOS while the carrier has to pick up the support costs of the Android OS AND the phone for Samsung!

Now, let's look at the sales profits... Samsung's profits for the quarter, with 70% of that profit tagged to Mobile Communications was $4.47 Billion versus Apple's $11.7 Billion with 67% tagged to the iPhone. $3.13 Billion in profits from Samsung's entire Mobile Communications division v. $7.83 Billion for Apple from just the iPhone... you must see the dilemma. The numbers don't fit.

Samsung is shipping a lot of cheap phones... feature phones and dumb phones.

63 posted on 04/29/2012 8:21:49 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: discostu
Part of the smartphone growth now is they’re all smart. Tried buying a non-smart cellphone lately?

There are LOTS of non-smart phones out there that don't require a data plan. You just have not looked. The ability to get on the internet is NOT the defining ability of a smartphone. Feature phones have been able to do that for a long time...

But the high end of the smarts still aren’t that big, iPhone is at under 5% of the handheld market.

You are wrong in your "under 5%" of the handheld market. In the 4th Quarter of 2011, Apple's world wide share of ALL phones, smart and non-smart was 8.7%... and it has climbed since then. In the last quarter, Nokia was knocked out of 1st place... and Apple has climbed. It is over 9% but less than 10%. Your figure was accurate in the last quarter of 2010... way out of date for a company growing now at a 120% year over year average rate each quarter.

64 posted on 04/29/2012 8:40:16 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: discostu
More useful like all their GUI competition before they finally did it right with OSX.

I'm a little confused by this. We were talking about a more-useful alternative that pre-dated, and was outsold by, Apple's version. "all their GUI competition" didn't pre-date the classic MacOS.

Or many of the Symbian based phones.

Are you arguing that many Symbian phones were more useful than the iPhone?

Part of the smartphone growth now is they’re all smart. Tried buying a non-smart cellphone lately?

I count five from AT&T, half a dozen each from Sprint and Verizon, and a couple from T-Mobile. The line between a "smartphone" and a "feature phone" can get a bit blurry, and I think that a lot of what you're calling smartphones are what I -- and the people who compile the sales statistics -- would call feature phones.

Heck even $20 disposable trackfons can browse the freaking web now.

If you're talking about the kind of WAP browser I had on my Qualcomm phone back in 1999, sure. A usable HTML browser, not so much. I don't think that $20 Tracfone is included in the analysts' smartphone figures.

I didn’t say their weren’t knockoffs, but look at the phones actually doing well in the market vs the iPhone. You’ve got a lot of mini-keyboards a lack of touchscreens.

Assuming we're talking about actual smartphones and not feature phones, those are called Blackberries. Don't ask how that company is doing. Other than Blackberry, I counted maybe ten models with a physical keyboard, some of which were old, discontinued models (Palm Pixi? Really?). Maybe four of five of those lacked touch screens. Sure, those phones still exist; so do computers that boot to a command line. So do horses. They're not driving the market.

Look at the Web sites for the carriers. Look on the shelves at their retail stores, or at Best Buy or Radio Shack. Five years ago, you would have seen flip phones galore, with one or two smartphones tucked back in the corner. Now, the ratio is reversed. That is creating a market.

65 posted on 04/29/2012 9:49:22 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: discostu
Just because they receive patents on things doesn’t mean they invented the smartphone.

I know for a fact that after WW II th Russians invented everything, their revised text books debunked all that stuff Edison invented.

Personally, I don't care, the only people that seem to are patent trolls. If they make a product that I like and can afford,.I buy it. You should try that.

66 posted on 04/29/2012 11:27:45 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: discostu
The Psion was the first PDA.

I had a Casio data watch that had more functions than your Psion and it included a phone dialer, long before your Psion.

67 posted on 04/29/2012 11:33:18 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: Swordmaker

As far as I’m concerned if it does anything more than make phonecalls and texts it’s a smartphone. Maybe not as smartphone as other smartphones, but I did make the distinction between the high end and low end of the market.

According to here http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395951,00.asp#fbid=SLgcdJun7IU Apple has 4%. And that’s Nov 2011.


68 posted on 04/30/2012 8:22:49 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: SmokingJoe

I LOVE watching Netflix while my wife shops, so I would love to get a Galaxy. But Verizon doesn’t have it. They don’t have anything with a big screen.


69 posted on 04/30/2012 8:30:31 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: ReignOfError

There was quite a bit of GUI competition that predated Mac 1. And some of them were pretty kick butt (DESQView being one of my all time favorites). Add to that the fact that the Mac OS really blew until OSX, and there’s plenty of competition doing stuff well before Apple got around to doing it well.

I’m arguing that Symbian phones were useful. That was your argument that nobody did anything useful in these markets before Apple. Oh and Symbian had a touchscreen in 2000 so the idea that Apple was first to put a touchscreen on a smartphone is wrong.

Browsing the internet on a phone is smart enough. This smart/ feature thing is a distinction without a difference. At best it’s low end high end. If it’s a phone doing a heck of a lot more than making phone calls it’s a smartphone. Maybe not a high end smartphone, but it’s still smart.

There’s plenty of non-blackberries with keyboards.

No that’s not creating a market, that’s GROWTH in a market. The market already existed. There were smartphones before the iPhone, there were touchscreen smartphones before the iPhone, the market existed BEFORE the iPhone. It was smaller, but that’s as much about all the other companies as it is about Apple.


70 posted on 04/30/2012 8:31:11 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: itsahoot

Well take it up with wiki, and other places. They count the Psion as the first PDA.


71 posted on 04/30/2012 8:32:48 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: reefdiver

Siri sounds very cool. Just when I think, “what’s left to do? “ I should know better...


72 posted on 04/30/2012 8:37:35 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: reefdiver

Siri sounds very cool. Just when I think, “what’s left to do? “ I should know better...


73 posted on 04/30/2012 8:38:08 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Swordmaker
I follow the facts, not the hype”

Naaaah. You follow your heeart, not the facts.

When it HAD NOT, I pointed out the correct facts. When it did, I also pointed out the correct facts”

More like, when it had changed, you refused to accept the facts and instead blamed the tracking agencies like Gartner, IDC etc for being anti-Apple(lol). You were finally forced to accept the reality of Androids outselling iPhones when the evidence became too overwhhelmimng for even the most fanatic of Apple-bots to ignore.

In this instance, in the US, AT&T's last quarter figures show 75% of their smartphone sales were iPhones, better than 50% of both Verizon and Sprint sales, in the same quarter were iPhones... “

Luckily, the US makes up only a fraction of the world's smarphone market, with Europe and Asia accounting for vastly more smartphone sales. This article is not about US smartphonbe sales, its about worldwide smartphone sales.market share. In China alone, more smart-phones are sold than the entire US market.

&ldquoAND, in this last quarter, the world wide figures, when researched, AGAIN show that they are comparing Apples to a combination of Apples and Oranges... Apple only sells smart-phones while Samsung sells both smart-phones and also sells feature phones and basic phones and reports the combination in their Mobile phone sales numbers. Apparently, this article is using that combined gross sales figure, confabulating the total sales of Samsung phones sold with Samsung SMARTPHONES sold. .”

Ummm..how about NO?
It's, you who is confused, not the analysts.
In the last quarter, Samsung did two things.
They first of all overtook Nokia to become the top overall cell phone seller on the planet(feature and smart-phones). Then they did something else: Samsung also overtook Apple to become the top SMARTphone seller on the planet.

The Daily Telegraph, UK:
“The Korean electronics giant saw sales of its handsets surge in the first three months of the year, helping to knock the beleaguered Finnish mobile company from the position it has occupied for 14 years.

It also managed to widen its lead over Apple as the biggest producer of smartphones, as sales of high-end handsets like the Galaxy Note and Galaxy S2 outstripped the iPhone by nearly 10m units.

Samsung shipped 44.5m smartphones during the first three months of the year, compared with 35.1m iPhones, according to research company Strategy Analytics. It is not the first time that Samsung has outsold Apple, but it is the first time that it has done so with anything like this sort of margin, which may well widen further after Samsung launches its latest device, expected to be the S3 smartphone, next week”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/electronics/9230601/Samsung-profits-jump-as-smartphone-sales-outstrip-Apple.html

Strategy Analytics:

http://www.strategyanalytics.com/default.aspx?mod=pressreleaseviewer&a0=5212

AND, Samsung shipped a piss-pot full of un-sold Samsung Galaxy III phones into the inventory stream in the last two weeks of the quarter, stuffing the warehouses and shipping lanes”

Chuckle!
Been seeing that being piece of wishful thinking posted by Apple fangirls, in a desperate rearguard action to try and stem the Samsung juggernaut. Care to share any authentic source(not fan-girl tittle tattle) for this piece of fiction?

The New Samsung Galaxy S III phone costs about the same or more to manufacture and the subsidy from the carrier's is actually HIGHER and the per unit cost from the subscriber is MORE at a reported $249 per handset on introduction “

Ummm...the Galaxy III has not even been announced yet, let alone introduced to the market. Funny, you already know how much they cost to manufacture, and the subsidies that the phone companies give on a product thay are neither selling, nor have even officially announced. You have way more clairvoyant powers than previously thought. :)

Now, let's look at the sales profits... Samsung’s profits for the quarter, with 70% of that profit tagged to Mobile Communications was $4.47 Billion versus Apple's $11.7 Billion with 67% tagged to the iPhone”

True. That is why the phone companies(who are being screwed by Apple), are busy looking for alternatives:
Why AT&T and Verizon Are Rooting for Windows Phones
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/24/carriers-windows-phone/
But then this is not about Apple profits versus Samsung profits. Its about Samsung overtaking Apple in worldwide smart-phone sales. Way to try and change the topic. Typical bait and switch tactics.

74 posted on 04/30/2012 8:43:55 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: discostu

Well I guess I can fix wiki so it Psion was invent in 1741 if ti would make you feel any better. How about making something better than the iPad/iPhone, sell it for half the price, you could make a killing.


75 posted on 04/30/2012 9:39:51 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: itsahoot

Congratulations, you made a 100% logic free, point free, content free, meaningless post. Quite a feat.


76 posted on 04/30/2012 9:42:02 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu
Find something to do with you time, who knows maybe you could actually build something worthwhile, since you seem totally unable to tear down Apple.

Who on God's Earth wants to fight the war of 1812 again?

77 posted on 04/30/2012 1:09:41 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: itsahoot

I’m not tearing down anything. Simply pointing out reality. Reality is that Apple is not first in their markets. And there’s nothing wrong with that, very few companies manage to be first at anything ever, and usually the company that is first at something can’t figure out how to monetize it and goes under, if they’re lucky they get bought by somebody that sees the money possibility. Apple wasn’t first at the PDA, first to call it that sure, but not the first with the functional concept. In general Psion is considered to have been first to that market in 1984, maybe there were other companies with similar stuff out, maybe even before then, but all those things you want to throw out there doesn’t change the basic fact that 1992’s Newton was not first.

Now it doesn’t bother me that Apple wasn’t first, just like it doesn’t bother me that the company I work for wasn’t first into the technology market of the product I work on. If it bothers you then you probably shouldn’t be such a fanboy with parts of your ego tied to some company you’re probably not even a part of.


78 posted on 04/30/2012 1:26:19 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Verizon does have the Galaxy Nexus with a 4.65 inch screen, which while a good deal smaller than the Galaxy Note’s 5.3 inch screen, is pretty big. I love mine thus far. A leaked roadmap for Verizon says they will be releasing an HTC made phone similar to the Galaxy Note.


79 posted on 04/30/2012 2:26:53 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Verizon does have the Galaxy Nexus with a 4.65 inch screen, which while a good deal smaller than the Galaxy Note’s 5.3 inch screen, is pretty big. I love mine thus far. A leaked roadmap for Verizon says they will be releasing an HTC made phone similar to the Galaxy Note.


80 posted on 04/30/2012 2:27:11 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Gun142
Want to see what Google envisioned an Android phone looking like before the iPhone?

Looks like someone was aiming to copy the market leader, the RIM Blackberry. Then the iPhone came out, and the first Android phone to hit the market a year later looked like this:

That's all Android is, a copy of those who actually innovated, dangling a free OS to handset manufacturers so Google can make money on the back-end.

Apple is popular, which is why they're expensive, but people are catching on to the shortcomings.

iPhones cost about the same as high-end Android phones. I had an Android for two years, dumped it for an iPhone. No way am I going back.

81 posted on 04/30/2012 9:47:28 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: discostu
Or the GUI OS. Or the PDA (Psion 1984).

Actually, the term "PDA" was coined by Apple for the Newton in 1992, and the Newton was nothing like the preceding Psions. It makes you wonder what the Newton could have been had the project not been mismanaged so badly from its inception in 1987 (it was supposed to be a tablet, it was supposed to have a different OS, and management feared cannibalization of Mac sales).

At least one good thing came from the Newton to dominate today's PDAs (smart phones): the ARM architecture.

82 posted on 04/30/2012 10:10:38 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SmokingJoe; Swordmaker
Hey, didn't you try to deny that overall Android cell phone sales had overtaken iPhone sales when that phenomenon started as well?

I believe many of us were saying it had to eventually happen. It's no surprise that the combined sales of some of the biggest names in phones -- Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG and Sony -- on all US carriers with dozens of models with price points starting at free could surpass the sales of one company, Apple, that for the longest time didn't sell a new phone for under $200, and that only on one carrier.

83 posted on 04/30/2012 10:25:42 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: discostu
Reality is that Apple is not first in their markets.

Like I always say, Apple isn't usually the first to do it, but often the first to do it right.

84 posted on 04/30/2012 10:34:47 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mr. Blonde

-—A leaked roadmap for Verizon says they will be releasing an HTC made phone similar to the Galaxy Note.-—

Excellent! I will wait. I was thinking of switching to AT&T.


85 posted on 05/01/2012 5:28:11 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: SmokingJoe

ATT is the only company that has cell coverage at our house. We tried T-Mobile and had to work very hard to get out of the contract. We had to go outside every time we wanted to use our phones.


86 posted on 05/01/2012 7:48:33 AM PDT by Eva
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To: SmokingJoe

ATT is the only company that has cell coverage at our house. We tried T-Mobile and had to work very hard to get out of the contract. We had to go outside every time we wanted to use our phones.

I hate Verizon more than ATT. They are the only company that provided land lines at our house, but sold that to Frontier. Both companies refuse to provide internet or cable services. So, we are very dependent on ATT and we are happy with the service.

Verizon makes a practice of trying to collect uncollectible bills from people who had the number at an earlier date, if one client doesn’t pay, they go back to the previous client. We were being hounded by a Verizon collection agency because the people who had our number after us never paid their final bill. We weren’t even Verizon customers when we had the old number, and they told us to prove that we were not Verizon customers at the time. Who keeps old phone bills for years?


87 posted on 05/01/2012 7:56:03 AM PDT by Eva
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To: discostu
There was quite a bit of GUI competition that predated Mac 1. And some of them were pretty kick butt (DESQView being one of my all time favorites).

Why don't you get some knowledge before you spout off? DESQview was released in JULY of 1985, one and a half YEARS after Apple released the Macintosh GUI... nor was it a full GUI.

Apple put a MULTI touch screen on a phone... not a touch screen... and phones prior to the Apple used STYLUS to interface... that could get lost. You make it dang obvious you really don't know what you are talking about...

88 posted on 05/01/2012 3:28:03 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

DesqView still worked better than Mac (and Windows). And we ALL know about PARC, so regardless of which came before Mac we all know there was GUI before Mac.

And if you think a multitouch screen is that massive a difference you need to think again. It’s still a touch screen interface. And no they didn’t all need stylus, most of them what the stylus did was add precision, just like the styluses you get on the POS card machines in stores today, you don’t need it, it’s just there.

You really make it dang obvious you just thrash around desperate to find one little thing that’s beside the main point so you can claim Apple invented stuff everybody knows they didn’t. Which is why you need to constantly lie, throw insults, then whine that everybody else is a troll. I know your MO, I’ve seen it before, from you, abandon a section you’ve clearly lost, scramble about, find one little thing, usually by twisting what was said, and pretend that means you were right about everything. Meanwhile you’re actually wrong about everything because you’re pretending Apple did it first and they didn’t, not anything that actually matters. Ooh they added multitouch over the touch screens everybody else had on there, big effen deal, still a freaking touchscreen on a freaking cellphone with others did first. Get over yourself, get over Apple.


89 posted on 05/01/2012 3:39:39 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu
And if you think a multitouch screen is that massive a difference you need to think again. It’s still a touch screen interface.

If you're not going to accept that there's a difference between a multi-touch capacitive screen and a resistive screen, if you dismiss the difference between smart phones and feature phones, if you make no distinction between a windows-icons-menus modern GUI and a multi-tasking environment with boxes of ASCII text, then you're trying to win an argument no one else is having by defining Apple's innovations out of existence.

I mean, a rotary dial was a touch interface when you get right down to it, the Motorola StarTac did more than just make calls and was therefore a "smartphone", and when you get right down to it there was nothing innovative about the Model T. It was basically just a faster, wheeled horse.

90 posted on 05/01/2012 7:47:15 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: discostu
And we ALL know about PARC, so regardless of which came before Mac we all know there was GUI before Mac.

PARC did NOTING with their GUI. They were a research organization. Apple did... and Apple did indeed invent a lot of the GUI that PARC had nothing to do with. You really don't know. I bet you believe Apple "stole" what they learned at PARC. Apple did not. They paid for the rights to what they learned from merely OBSERVING. . . they paid over $1 million in pre-IPO common stock which was later sold by Xerox for over $7 million dollars, and had it been kept till today, would be worth BILLIONS!

And if you think a multitouch screen is that massive a difference you need to think again. It’s still a touch screen interface. And no they didn’t all need stylus, most of them what the stylus did was add precision, just like the styluses you get on the POS card machines in stores today, you don’t need it, it’s just there.

And AGAIN you demonstrate your ignorance. Multitouch IS a massive difference over a mere single touch screen. . . and Apple has the patents on multitouch. Even today the cheapie touch screen phones are suggesting using styli to interface. The key that Apple added was ACCURACY... with multitouch.

When somebody like you says "everybody knows" it means that it likely IS NOT TRUE!

Ooh they added multitouch over the touch screens everybody else had on there, big effen deal, still a freaking touchscreen on a freaking cellphone with others did first. Get over yourself, get over Apple.

Do you realize how HARD it is to detect MULTIPLE contacts on a screen and to accurately locate those touches? And then to be able to handle the directionality and vector of the multiple movements of those touches? Microsoft used CAMERAS on their BIG TABLE to try to accomplish the same thing! Until Apple's engineers did it, no one else was successful in doing it. That is why APPLE has the patents. Lots of them. . . and deserves them.

You pick out a minor thing and claim that the minor thing is the same as the complex whole... when it is not even accomplished anywhere nearly the same... and then claim you have won... when you have only demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of the subject. A good example being the Limited features of the Psion's 4K, single line display, hand held electronic address book and calculator and YOUR claiming it is the same thing as the far more sophisticated Newton Personal Digital Assistant of years later when it lacked even basic time keeping functions like a calendar or a clock! YOU claim that because it had one or two minor features of a much more complex device, and is handheld, it must be counted as being identical. IT IS NOT... nothing could be further from the truth.

YOU do not understand at all what an invention is... not at all.

91 posted on 05/01/2012 9:21:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: ReignOfError

I accept there’s a difference, I just point out it’s not a difference that matters when you’re talking about whether or not a gadget is new. It’s like the difference between 3 on the tree and 4 on the floor, yes they’re different, but they’re both still stick shift cars. A smartphone with a touchscreen and a smartphone with a multi-touchscreen are still both smartphones with touchscreens.

And I wasn’t comparing DesqView to a “modern” GUI, I was comparing it to a clunky black and white GUI from the same era that was actually dramatically worse.

See that’s the problem with you guys, you always have to lie about what the other person said.


92 posted on 05/02/2012 8:25:46 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Swordmaker

Oh look lots of yelling and lies and insults. The usual crap from the guy that insists everybody else is a troll.

PARC did one very important thing with their GUI: they made it BEFORE Apple did. thus Apple didn’t invent it, didn’t do it first.

Multitouch is no more different than 4 on the floor is from 3 on the tree. It’s still a touchscreen interface on a smartphone. Multitouch is adding a widget to a gadget, NOT inventing something actually NEW.

Just because it’s hard doesn’t make it a NEW device. See that was the contention that Apple doesn’t invent new devices. That’s what I said then you go off on some BS rant about patents on multi-touchscreens all of which are things they ADD to EXISTING concepts. Not NEW devices, not INVENTIONS.

I didn’t pick out a minor thing YOU’RE the one that keeps picking out minor things. My point was about the BIG things the things they don’t do first. They DIDN’T make the first smartphone, they DIDN’T make the first smartphone with a touchscreen, they DIDN’T make the first PDA, they DIDN’T make the first GUI. See these are all BIG things, you’re the one spazing out about little things multi-touchscreens trying to make them big.

Oh and it’s NOT me claiming the Psion was first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant
The first PDA was released in 1986 by Psion, the Organizer II. Followed by Psion’s Series 3, in 1991, which began to resemble the more familiar PDA style. It also had a full keyboard. [4][5]

That’s reality. And I never said it was the same thing, I said it was the same category of device, which they are. From the same link:
A personal digital assistant (PDA), also known as a palmtop computer, or personal data assistant,[1][2][3] is a mobile device that functions as a personal information manager.

See they’re both portable devices for managing personal information. Notice how there’s nothing in that definition about memory size or interface, just the concept of what the device is for. Was the Newton more sophisticated? Yes. Was it first? No. That’s once again the difference between the little things YOU obsess on (memory) and the big thing I’M pointing out (device concept). The first PDA is of course not going to be as sophisticated as one that comes a decade later, but the fact that the one a decade later has a bunch of whizbang features doesn’t make it first in the field.

I understand entirely what an invention is. And I know that you understand it too, which is why you constantly resort to lying about what I said and insults. Because you know the facts don’t back you up. The facts back me up. Apple is not an inventor of devices, they are an inventor of improvements. Which is great, improvements are a wonderful thing. But anybody thinking these markets wouldn’t exist without Apple, that Apple did the creating and everybody else is following is ignoring what came before Apple, who Apple is following.


93 posted on 05/02/2012 8:39:25 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu
It’s like the difference between 3 on the tree and 4 on the floor, yes they’re different, but they’re both still stick shift cars.

It's more like the difference between a three-speed manual without synchromesh and an automatic. The difference in usability, and appeal to a wide audience, is massive.

Since you're using an endlessly reductionist definition of what is "new," I'll ask you: Has anyone created anything new in computing or consumer electronics in the last twenty years?

94 posted on 05/02/2012 9:59:25 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Siri sounds very cool

When it works, its cool.

Its definitely beta at this time.

95 posted on 05/02/2012 10:08:42 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Not sure what principles you are trying to uphold here, but I own and develop for both platforms.

Apple created the market, and the first successful app store, I give Apple far more credit for that, than anything else.

Now I can take my ideas and turn them into apps, and sell them easily and quickly without all the overhead and nonsense I have had to do in the past when I developed and sold software.

I like that Android is open and allows more access to the operating system etc, however for consistency of the user experience and ease of use for the User, Apple wins hands down.

I was a life long person who was anti apple, their products are and still are overpriced, particularly in the destop realm. However, there is a reason the iPhone and iPad are so successful, and they deserve credit for that.


96 posted on 05/02/2012 10:12:06 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ReignOfError

But it’s not a difference in the concept of what is a car.

Actually I’ve been very consistent in my definition of what new is, you guys just don’t like the answer. New is a new device concept, a new gadget, not an improvement on an existing concept, not even a really awesome improvement on an existing concept. It’s really not that difficult an idea. Miniaturizing computers to the point that they become the smartphone is new, that is a new device, a new concept, a new gadget; making the interface with smartphones better by adding multiple touch capabilities to the smartphone is not a new device, it is a better version of an old device. If it has to have a new name (HAS to mind you, not we gave it one anyway) there’s a good chance it’s new. Smartphone, new name, new device. MP3 Player, new name, new device. Smartphone with multitouchscreen, not new name, not new device.

Which is just a long version of what I said that got you guys whiny in the first place. Apple takes stuff that was already out there and adds some features and style and makes them pretty and popular. And there’s nothing wrong with that, the guy that moved car starting from an external hand crank to an internal button/ trigger put in one of the big leaps that allowed 20th Century America to be what it was. An awesome add on to an existing device, but it was still a car after he was done making it awesome.


97 posted on 05/02/2012 10:15:41 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: HamiltonJay
Not sure what principles you are trying to uphold here...

See post #17

98 posted on 05/02/2012 10:26:50 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: discostu
If it has to have a new name (HAS to mind you, not we gave it one anyway) there’s a good chance it’s new.

I'm going to call that the Psion clause. It's new if it requires a new name, unless Apple gives it a new name.

Our lives have been radically changed by advances in technology in the last 20 years. I have a simple question: What has been new in that time? Name one company that has created something new, by your definition, in the last twenty years. The smartphone might squeak in, as the IBM Simon was released in 1992. The MP3 player is legitimately new, unless you consider it just a glorified CD Walkman. Other than that, nothing since 1992 qualifies as "new."

99 posted on 05/03/2012 7:50:43 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

It’s not just Apple that like to give existing technology a new name. But certainly in this discussion it’s them that forced the clause.

I already said MP3 players and smartphones were new. Though technically the first digital music player pre-dates analog walkmans that thing was so archaic and had so little market penetration we can pretend it didn’t happen and MP3 players are recent. And I don’t really feel like look up which companies were first in those, we know it wasn’t Apple.

Most companies don’t do anything new. I’ve never had any product I’ve worked on in any company be the first of its kind in the market place. Best yes, first to have certain big features we were surprised nobody else did a surprisingly high number of times, but first in the market no. Most technological advances are incremental, taking something existing and adding a killer tweak. Look at what I was talking about with cars. If you teleported somebody from the 1920s or 30s to today, a very skilled driver even, they probably wouldn’t even know what to do in a modern car. There’s all these new controls and keyless entry and keyless starting, except for the steering wheel and pedals there’s nothing really the same. And forget letting them peek under the hood to try to fix the damn thing. Cars have evolved incredibly in that time frame, heck they’ve evolved incredibly in your pet 20 year time frame. But they aren’t new, because they’re still cars.

Which is really the same for the vast majority of our advances and changes. Yes life has changed dramatically, but largely not because of anything completely new, instead because of old things made dramatically better. This interweb thing you and I are using now has changed almost everything about any form of entertainment you can think of, and it’s older than me, but it’s a lot different now. All the various toys of our life are radically different but also clearly just incremental evolutions of stuff we already had. Even the stuff that’s really new, like smartphones, aren’t really new. Usually the stuff we call new, that’s really new, is only new in so far as it joined two evolutionary paths. Smartphones are the ever shrinking computer merged with phones, both old technologies, but together they make something new.

New is a rare thing in this world.


100 posted on 05/03/2012 8:52:11 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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