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(Texas)Wind farms may have warming effect - research
Reuters ^ | 4/29/12 | Nina Chestney

Posted on 04/29/2012 11:01:35 PM PDT by DallasBiff

LONDON, April 29 (Reuters) - Large wind farms might have a warming effect on the local climate, research in the United States showed on Sunday, casting a shadow over the long-term sustainability of wind power.

Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels contribute to global warming, which could lead to the melting of glaciers, sea level rise, ocean acidification, crop failure and other devastating effects, scientists say.

In a move to cut such emissions, many nations are moving towards cleaner energy sources such as wind power.

The world's wind farms last year had the capacity to produce 238 gigawatt of electricity at any one time. That was a 21 percent rise on 2010 and capacity is expected to reach nearly 500 gigawatt by the end of 2016 as more, and bigger, farms spring up, according to the Global Wind Energy Council.

Researchers at the State University of New York at Albany analysed the satellite data of areas around large wind farms in Texas, where four of the world's largest farms are located, over the period 2003 to 2011.

The results, published in the journal Nature Climate Change, showed a warming trend of up to 0.72 degrees Celsius per decade in areas over the farms, compared with nearby regions without the farms.

"We attribute this warming primarily to wind farms," the study said. The temperature change could be due to the effects of the energy expelled by farms and the movement and turbulence generated by turbine rotors, it said.

"These changes, if spatially large enough, may have noticeable impacts on local to regional weather and climate," the authors said.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; greenenergy; obama; tboonepickens; texas; windfarms
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Oh my Nina, you must devastated that your god Gaia(aka Gore/Clinton/Obama) is wrong.

BTW, Thank you T Boone Pickens for making Texas warmer, all for a buck and an invitation to a DC garden party.

1 posted on 04/29/2012 11:01:46 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

Dodgy science, squared. Somebody’s confusing “heat transfer” and “heat creation”.


2 posted on 04/29/2012 11:04:42 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy
Dodgy science, squared. Somebody’s confusing “heat transfer” and “heat creation”.

UH? Doesn't heat transfer mitigate your arguement, greenie?

3 posted on 04/29/2012 11:10:04 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: jiggyboy
Report from Reuters.

Let's see now. What's the English word for stupid?...Oh, wait!

4 posted on 04/29/2012 11:14:21 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: DallasBiff

I can also tell you that solar panels will also contribute to global warming. They are black, so they absorb most of the solar energy. Without them a lot of sunlight is reflected back into space. That extra absorbed energy will eventually end up as heat.


5 posted on 04/29/2012 11:17:04 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: stormhill
Let's see now. What's the English word for stupid?...Oh, wait!

Maybe the word for "stupid" is "windfarm".

6 posted on 04/29/2012 11:19:59 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

Texas Wind Farms

7 posted on 04/29/2012 11:20:46 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: DallasBiff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDyxduGzlyM


8 posted on 04/29/2012 11:25:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: DallasBiff

Property values will dive as long as we Baby Boomers are croaking. That will be the main remedy against socialist NIMBYs who attend commissioners’ meetings as radical environmentalists. We don’t need no stinking “property values.” We do need to get to some real work (like manufacturing). As for subsidies, all kinds of subsidies should be abolished.

Wind farm illness: Waubra Disease
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYnNQoTcsHY

Protect yourself.

Acoustic Vibration Disease Hat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El2vVl5Figk

66 percent of Tea Party members would agree with having wind turbines near their homes (Saint Consulting Group, poll of 1,000 in US, June, 2011). 73 percent of men agreed but far fewer women.

Environmentalists are against Wind power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pODvhqSfyeM

Wind turbine syndrome news report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRCekFYWsPo

Wind Nimby Spanking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLHOydx2RTA

Wind Nimby Rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KurAbrMHu2k

John Stossel Wind Power and NIMBY
[Environmentalists against wind turbines.]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo2rMj8KVtQ


9 posted on 04/29/2012 11:30:14 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: DallasBiff

They kill anything that flies into their blades also. Takes a allot of maintenance to clean their little bodies off of those blades


10 posted on 04/29/2012 11:30:59 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: DallasBiff

I used to put up those windmill thingies in my SimCity game for energy... but they kept blowing up.


11 posted on 04/29/2012 11:39:03 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: DallasBiff

When it comes down to it, it will probably be a combination of wind disruption and all the ground that is laid bare in order to provide access to these machines. Bare ground = heat absorption. No wind or less wind = less heat dissipation. Either could lead to an increase in temperature around the devices.


12 posted on 04/29/2012 11:55:40 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: DallasBiff

......or a cooling effect depending on which way the ole wind is blowing’’....


13 posted on 04/30/2012 12:12:27 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: DallasBiff
The temperature change could be due to the effects of the energy expelled by farms and the movement and turbulence generated by turbine rotors, it said.

If "movement and turbulence" is raising the temperature near turbine, it only means that the temperature is not being raised somewhere else, maybe a very widely-dispersed "somewhere else".

14 posted on 04/30/2012 12:19:35 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: DallasBiff

I also wonder if it’s just a matter of the turbine and tower heating up during the day and giving up that heat overnight, regardless of how much wind blew that day.


15 posted on 04/30/2012 12:25:05 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: DallasBiff

Sounds like someome is fabricating ways to shut down wind power...solar is next, especially if it’s on YOUR private property.


16 posted on 04/30/2012 12:32:39 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: DallasBiff

Inconvenient thermodynamics.


17 posted on 04/30/2012 12:40:44 AM PDT by monocle
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To: DallasBiff

If wind patterns are disrupted of course weather patterns will change. Not only that but the energy absorbed by the windmills which is energy REMOVED from the atmosphere and that energy might have been used to influence warm and cold fronts.


18 posted on 04/30/2012 12:43:49 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Uncle Slayton
How convenient. Recycle all the dead birds into fish food.


19 posted on 04/30/2012 12:44:15 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: DallasBiff

Shouldn’t they have known that?

If they screwed that up - what else are they screwing up?


20 posted on 04/30/2012 12:46:43 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (BO Threat Stream: http://blogsofwar.com/threatstream/index_barack_obama.html)
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To: DallasBiff
My money is still on animal flatulence.

"Its whats in the air"
21 posted on 04/30/2012 2:18:10 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Uncle Slayton
That looks like a well head to the left of that gentleman.

He might be hedgin' his bets a little....;)
22 posted on 04/30/2012 2:21:20 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: DallasBiff
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23 posted on 04/30/2012 3:00:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DallasBiff
Large wind farms might have a warming effect on the local climate, research in the United States showed on Sunday, casting a shadow over the long-term sustainability of wind power.

Because the relatively low power output (as compared to other methods of generating electricity) and millions of dead birds were not, in fact, causing doubts about wind farms.

24 posted on 04/30/2012 3:17:00 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: lewislynn
I am a scientist with a PhD in Gaia Science. These fools do not account for these wind farm blades spinning and their centripetal forces along a line of the earth's rotational spin, causing the precessional change of earth which give us our seasons to change ever so slightly. Add this factor to the friction multiplied by millions of giant earth fans, and the spin of earth is slowing causing our day to be already .000001723% longer.

The seasons will be changing with the varied tilt of the earth's axis and the longer days and longer nights, but the temperatures would not be changed. Nights tend to cool off what the sun did the day before.

I have a PhD.

25 posted on 04/30/2012 3:23:09 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: DallasBiff
MORE RESEARCH NEEDED = more government grants

the bottom line for the granola crunchers.

26 posted on 04/30/2012 3:50:53 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind;)
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To: DallasBiff

There is no globull warming.. there is no threat to the temp from windmills... when it comes to the environment... there is only racketeering and the worship of false gods.

LLS


27 posted on 04/30/2012 4:04:39 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Pray hard and often!)
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To: exDemMom

We would be better off if we were using some of the 10s of thousands of small and medium sized dams in this country to produce hydroelectric power.

But nope, we’re tearing dams out to let the rivers run free.


28 posted on 04/30/2012 4:21:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DallasBiff

“Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels contribute to global warming, which could lead to the melting of glaciers, sea level rise, ocean acidification, crop failure and other devastating effects, scientists say.”

Gotta love that alarmism, lol.


29 posted on 04/30/2012 4:25:53 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: jiggyboy

“Somebody’s confusing “heat transfer” and “heat creation””

Wind turbines convert wind velocity to electric power. Energy is extracted from the wind. The turbines reduce the velocity of the wind and, I believe, cool the air slightly because the speed of the air molecules is reduced.


30 posted on 04/30/2012 4:34:18 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

I have a high school education, and know almost nothing about the effects of wind farms on the spin of the earth. BUT, this one thing I do know as a West Texan those wind farms and cattle feed lots don’t mix. PU


31 posted on 04/30/2012 4:39:27 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: cymbeline
I believe, cool the air slightly because the speed of the air molecules is reduced.

Adding resistance (friction) to a moving system does not create cooling. It creates heat.

Since prior to hitting the turbine blades, the individual air molecules are moving at the same speed as those around them, their is no air resistance at that point generating heat, until it hits the turbine blades.

32 posted on 04/30/2012 4:57:03 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Since prior to hitting the turbine blades, the individual air molecules are moving at the same speed as those around them, their is no air resistance at that point generating heat, until it hits the turbine blades.

Well if that were the case, we'd all be burning to death up here in Maine where we have a tree every square yard.

The only way they produce any heat is when we burn them.

33 posted on 04/30/2012 5:02:11 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: cripplecreek
...we’re tearing dams out to let the rivers run free deny the American People a logical source of inexpensive, abundant and renewable electricity.
34 posted on 04/30/2012 5:06:48 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Hydro is virtually drawback free and has multiple beneficial side effects. The modern small hydro turbine technologies are very low maintenance high output.


35 posted on 04/30/2012 5:38:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Let the wind blow........


36 posted on 04/30/2012 5:44:09 AM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: DallasBiff

Someone quacks in Albany just pimped some more stimulus money in the form of a grant. Out tax dollars at work.


37 posted on 04/30/2012 6:20:47 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter
Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Urbanpovertylawcenter for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.


38 posted on 04/30/2012 6:27:45 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I wasn’t trying to claim it was significant heat. But adding wind resistance is not going to provide cooling.


39 posted on 04/30/2012 6:32:42 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DallasBiff
The results, published in the journal Nature Climate Change, showed a warming trend of up to 0.72 degrees Celsius per decade...

Yes folks, that's up to zeropointseventwo degrees per decade! (While day-night variations are easily 25+ °C.) They're certain to a hundredth of a degree!

Just how stupid do these people think we are?

40 posted on 04/30/2012 6:38:02 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: thackney

“does not create cooling. It creates heat”

If it were a fan blowing the air you would be correct, but it is the air blowing the fan. Energy is taken from the air and converted to electricity. The energy in the air is due to the motion of the air molecules. When there’s a net direction to the air molecules it appears as wind. When there’s no wind the molecules are in random motion and the aggregate speed of those molecules is felt as heat.

The turbine’s removal of energy from the air manifests itself as a lowering of the air’s velocity and also probably the lowering of temperature, but definitely not the increasing of temperature.


41 posted on 04/30/2012 7:22:56 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: DallasBiff

Just accept the fact that what the neo-luddites really want is to reduce the earth’s population by 80%, and for the remainder (which will be them of course), to live in some idyllic 17th century pre-industrial revolution age.


42 posted on 04/30/2012 8:10:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: cymbeline

You are claiming work is being done and it generates surplus energy. Laws of Physics are just the opposite.


43 posted on 04/30/2012 8:59:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

“You are claiming work is being done and it generates surplus energy. Laws of Physics are just the opposite.”

Work is being done on the air and on the turbine blades. What does “generates surplus energy” mean?

Anyway ...

Energy from the moving air is converted to electrical energy by the turbine. The air exiting the turbine has lower energy than the air entering the turbine. Do you disagree?

How does the air leaving the turbine differ from the air entering the turbine? Answer: its molecules are moving slower. That can manifest itself as lower velocity or lower temperature. Do you disagree?


44 posted on 04/30/2012 10:01:39 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: DallasBiff

Next time you are in wine country, check out the Wind Machines.

The purpose of these windmills is not to generate electricity. In fact, they are powered by electic motors, and their purpose is to disturb the airflow over the vinyard to keep the ground level warmer at night.

They have been using these things out in California for as long as I can remember, so at least thirty years. This is not exactly a newly discovered phenomenon.

45 posted on 04/30/2012 1:17:27 PM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: DallasBiff
As I posted in September of 2009...

"There is only so much wind on a given day... If we take that wind and convert it to electricity, what impact could it have on the environment? Even more global warming? Wouldn’t wind help cool the planet?"

And they called me crazy. :D

46 posted on 04/30/2012 3:23:24 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (To a liberal any Gov. program that is an utter failure is only so because there's not enough of it.)
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To: DallasBiff

I would love to see the scientific explanation. I am trained as a Physicist and have done research in the optics and semiconductor fields. These gaia idiots have yet to offer ANY scientific proof of their lies BECAUSE THEY CAN’T. We should bring a class action suit claiming damages from increased prices on gas, food, and everything else. The punishment is DEATH by packing the bastards in ice and letting them freeze to death!


47 posted on 04/30/2012 7:54:24 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (The response to 1984 is 1776.)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

I would love to simply see the chemical equations. Coal and oil vs wind and solar. Seems to me there is a simple way to predict the amount of energy needed to produce usable energy. Of course, that would also need to include the storage and distribution of each. We have a lot of very bright people working on things and yet, we cannot get simple answers. If the idiots cannot produce it, we must.


48 posted on 05/01/2012 3:16:53 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter
I am a scientist with a PhD in Gaia Science
A PhD in Greek mythology...got it.
49 posted on 05/01/2012 2:13:49 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: cymbeline
The air exiting the turbine has lower energy than the air entering the turbine. Do you disagree?

No. Velocity is not an energy level.

Velocity gives potential energy, relative to other objects, similar to gravity if an object is raised above a surface.

Unless an object interacts with another object at a different velocity, there is no difference than being at rest.

The mass of air moving at 50 mph only has potential energy to striking objects at rest. The air molecules colliding with other air molecules traveling at the same speed are no different in potential energy than those at zero velocity.

Those same air molecules are spinning at velocity with the earth's rotation, as well as around the sun. Velocity only has meaning in relative terms to other objects. It does not raise or lower the temperature of the object.

50 posted on 05/02/2012 4:48:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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