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Report: Almost 70% of Guns Found in Mexico Came From US
Newsmax ^ | Monday, 30 Apr 2012 02:58 PM | Newsmax Wires

Posted on 04/30/2012 12:29:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai

A new report from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) shows that more than more than 68,000—or 68 percent—of the 99,691 guns recovered in Mexico between 2007 and 2011 were either made in the U.S. or legally brought into the U.S. at some point.

As you might expect, gun-rights advocates and gun-control advocates view the data quite differently, The Hill reports.

Gun-rights advocates say the 68 percent number is overstated because the sample pool only reflects guns submitted to the ATF for traces. There are many other guns in Mexico, and many don’t have a U.S. connection, they say. Guns-rights supporters say Democrats try to use the inflated percentages to promote gun control. …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atf; fastandfurious; firearms; lmm; mexico

1 posted on 04/30/2012 12:29:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Ya. And about 70% of the people found in America came from Mexico!


2 posted on 04/30/2012 12:31:06 PM PDT by donozark (Marg Helgenberger! Wherever you are! What the hell do I do with all these DNA samples you requested?)
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To: donozark

BTT!


3 posted on 04/30/2012 12:33:54 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Olog-hai

Most of them stamped: Property of Eric Holder


4 posted on 04/30/2012 12:34:04 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: donozark

Ya. And about 70% of the people found in America came from Mexico!


Are you proposing we give them the people back in exchange for our guns?


5 posted on 04/30/2012 12:34:51 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: Olog-hai

Almost 70% of the illegal drugs found in the U.S. came from Mexico. So what’s the ATF’s point?


6 posted on 04/30/2012 12:36:33 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life. - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
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To: Olog-hai

Any company in mexico make guns? Then I guess they would have to be imported. Need to call Holder and ask for an inventory of what he sent down.


7 posted on 04/30/2012 12:37:19 PM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: Olog-hai

How many of the American made guns came from the Mexican army? The cartels have recruiting signs hanging from highway overpasses aimed at Mexican soldiers. The soldiers desert and take arms and equipment with them. That is how the Zetas started.


8 posted on 04/30/2012 12:37:34 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Olog-hai

There are no Mexican gun manufacturers so they have to come from somewhere else.


9 posted on 04/30/2012 12:38:18 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Olog-hai

Amazing. The child, with his hand caught in the cookie jar, yells loudly about other cookie thefts, and proposes harsh new cookie-theft laws.


10 posted on 04/30/2012 12:38:18 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Admin Moderator refuses to let me hit it. -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2875871/posts)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Only if BATFE approves.../s


11 posted on 04/30/2012 12:38:42 PM PDT by donozark (Marg Helgenberger! Wherever you are! What the hell do I do with all these DNA samples you requested?)
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To: Olog-hai
ATF Publishes Misleading Trace Data From Mexico
April 27, 2012 | Katie Pavlich

The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.
"The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S."
April 02, 2009 | William La Jeunesse & Maxim Lott

Fast and Furious; 0bama's Bloodiest Scandal and its Shameless Cover-Up.
Video interview with author/journalist Katie Pavlich.


12 posted on 04/30/2012 12:40:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Olog-hai
Almost 70% of Guns Found in Mexico Came From US

Fast and Falsely Furious.

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I'm pretty certain 90% of cars found in Mexico came from the US, and cars kill more people than guns, so...

LET'S BAN ALL CARS!

13 posted on 04/30/2012 12:40:26 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Olog-hai
Absolute lie.

About 70% of the guns CHECKED with the ATF come from the US.

They only check them if they suspect they came from the US.

The vast majority are not checked with the ATF because there is no reason to believe those guns came from the US.

Guns are much cheaper to get from other countries than from the US.

14 posted on 04/30/2012 12:41:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Almost 70% of the illegal drugs and illegal aliens found in the U.S. came from Mexico.

So how about we take back our guns and return the illegal drugs and illegal aliens to them? Wouldn't it be nice?

15 posted on 04/30/2012 12:43:43 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Olog-hai

And the dividend of “Fast and Furious” pays off for this administration


16 posted on 04/30/2012 12:43:55 PM PDT by Wizdum (My job is to get you to shoot soda out your nose)
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To: Olog-hai
Report: Almost 70% of Guns Found in Mexico Came From US

BS!

Am I the only one that knows the facts?
Of all the guns that can be traced, yadda yadda...

95% of the guns in Mexico CAN'T BE TRACED!

Another "Damn the U.S.A. moment...

17 posted on 04/30/2012 12:43:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: Olog-hai
What they are forgetting to mention is that most (AR15 derivatives like the M-16) of them were legally tranferred to the various militaries of South and Central America by the US Goevernment.
In other words, the corrupt and incompetent governments of Central and South America armed the drug cartels out of their own armories.
18 posted on 04/30/2012 12:44:40 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Olog-hai

Build the fence...secure our border!


19 posted on 04/30/2012 12:45:54 PM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: Olog-hai
Well when you have no domestic manufacturing capability it kind of makes sense that most would be from the nearest location that does. That is just common sense. If the majority were from China, that would be something unexpected.
20 posted on 04/30/2012 12:47:49 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: edcoil

IIRC, you are limited to certain calibers in Mexico, and they cannot be common military calibers like the 9mm or 45acp.

The 38 Super is legal.

Thus the popularity of the 38 super pistol in Mexico, which is more powerful than a 9mm.

Too bad the 38 Super gets little love here. It’s a great round.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Super


21 posted on 04/30/2012 12:48:41 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: donozark

Nah, more like 70% of the illegal aliens found in the U.S. came from Mexico


22 posted on 04/30/2012 12:48:41 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Olog-hai

“Made in the US”. That’s the trick right there. Ever seen pictures of mexican soldiers or cops? They ain’t carrying Japanese guns.


23 posted on 04/30/2012 12:49:00 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Vigilanteman

Sounds like a fair trade to me. Besides. If things here keep going like they’re going, Americans are going to need all the guns we can get.


24 posted on 04/30/2012 12:49:00 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life. - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
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To: Olog-hai

Just wondering..... what percentage of the other consumer products in Mexico came from the US? Cars, packaged food, clothing, medical equipment etc. etc.?


25 posted on 04/30/2012 12:51:37 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Olog-hai

Another great reason the seal the Damned border. While we are at it we can seal the NYC limits and several of the blue state borders.


26 posted on 04/30/2012 12:55:44 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Olog-hai
A new report from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF)

An emergency smokescreen to obscure Fast and Furious, and remove attention from Holder's contempt citation, is more like it.

27 posted on 04/30/2012 12:58:00 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Olog-hai

Why isn’t Eric Holder in prison?


28 posted on 04/30/2012 1:01:26 PM PDT by az.b1bbomberfxr
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To: Olog-hai

Just check with Oliver North’s successor. I’m sure he could explain how all that works.


29 posted on 04/30/2012 1:02:01 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Olog-hai

I bet ya 70% of everything made mostly out of steel comes from america...cars, trucks, trailers, farm equipment, milling and machining equipment, construction equipment, boats, planes, trains,


30 posted on 04/30/2012 1:06:42 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: az.b1bbomberfxr

Because he’s not white hispanic.


31 posted on 04/30/2012 1:07:44 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Olog-hai

“Report: Almost 70% of Guns Found in Mexico Came From US”

Even if this is true, which it’s not, it is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT as regards US gun laws.


32 posted on 04/30/2012 1:10:07 PM PDT by Castigar
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To: PeterPrinciple
Are you proposing we give them the people back in exchange for our guns?

Budda bing!! Great post!

33 posted on 04/30/2012 1:10:43 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Olog-hai

Probably didn’t help that our Justice Department gave them a bunch of these weapons....


34 posted on 04/30/2012 1:15:19 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Tzimisce

Sounds like the “create a problem then impose a solution” tactic indeed.


35 posted on 04/30/2012 1:17:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: MamaTexan

Ford and Chrysler have assembly plants in Mexico.


36 posted on 04/30/2012 1:35:51 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Anyone who refuses to recognize selection bias must think a lot of strange things.

I mean 30% of all children are unrelated to the person their mother says is the father - if you go by the reports of the labs who determine such things. (most people don’t check - those that do usually had suspicions.)

Someone in the industrialized world is three times more likely to get cancer! (many cancer deaths in the third world are never diagnosed as cancer.)

Etc, etc, etc.

Are people really this stupid? Or just a significant percentage? Is there a selection bias towards idiots with no understanding of math going into journalism?


37 posted on 04/30/2012 1:42:58 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Olog-hai
Almost 70% of Guns Found in Mexico Came From US

Yeah, and almost 70% of that report is bullsh!t.

70% of guns TRACED (had an S/N in somebody's database) came from the US.

Doesn't mean my 2nd Amendment rights should be infringed.

We don't have comprehensive registration (my God I hope we never do) so there is NO WAY this number means anything.

38 posted on 04/30/2012 2:17:09 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Olog-hai

“Almost 70% of Guns Found in Mexico Came From US”

Yeah. Courtesy of Eric Holder and the ATF. They forgot,conveniently, to mention how many hand grenades they sold them.


39 posted on 04/30/2012 2:17:09 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Olog-hai

To paraphrase:

“Of all the guns recovered in Mexico that are stamped ‘Made in USA’ other otherwise appear to have originated in the US, it turns out that only 70% actually were!”


40 posted on 04/30/2012 3:43:22 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Olog-hai
The way atf should be.
41 posted on 04/30/2012 4:12:39 PM PDT by mirkwood
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To: mirkwood

I call BS on the article, we know from past history that we’re only talking about “traceable guns” not recovered weapons. Odds are that us mfg guns are at most 20% including the military stolen guns.


42 posted on 04/30/2012 7:45:44 PM PDT by waynesa98
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