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Christians aim to stop Lady Gaga's 'porn' show
Reuters-world net daily ^ | 4/30/12 | (REUTERS) via WND

Posted on 04/30/2012 1:11:36 PM PDT by JSDude1

Christian groups in South Korea called on Friday for pop icon Lady Gaga to cancel her concert here saying it was “pornographic” and promoted homosexuality. South Korea’s government has already bowed to public pressure and banned under-18s from attending the 26-year old’s concert, but protesters gathered outside the venue said that was not enough. “Some people can accept this as another culture but its impact is huge beyond art and debases religions. Even adults can’t see her performance which is too homosexual and pornographic,” said Yoon Jung-hoon, a reverend who organized the “Civilians Network against the Lady Gaga Concert”.

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KEYWORDS: christians; gaga; homosexualagenda; porn; pornography; southkorea
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To: Responsibility2nd

Listen to yourself. You are advocating a degree of government control which is horrifying to contemplate. As has been pointed out, these things you would have banned via the force of government could also be perverted to ban the things that you hold dear.

Government -is- force, a terrible servant, and a fearful master. It is something the Founders tried to keep bottled up as much as possible. You are advocating using that force to do some good that you tenuously define, yet have no idea of the practical consequences.

Look up some fine folks called the ‘Mutawwa’ or the Saudi Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice. This is what you are advocating.

You, sir, have no idea, and can only cast ill-aimed stones at those who are trying to help you see. There are none so blind...


51 posted on 04/30/2012 4:07:55 PM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: BrewingFrog

Listen to yourself. You are advocating a degree of government control which is horrifying to contemplate. As has been pointed out, these things you would have banned via the force of government could also be perverted to ban the things that you hold dear.

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I am listening to myself. I keep bringing up basic fundamentals of social conservatism that have served this country well for centuries. How many times have I mentioned (so far) that social liberalsim has brought us gays in the military?

And you libs are appalled at my resentment of this?

All right - you tell me how allowing queers to openly serve is a good thing. Tell me how my opposition to this is one step away from a fascist dictatorship. Explain how if somehow America came to its senses and blocked fags from serving then the next natural reaction of such a government would be to - say - ban Bibles and outlaw Christianity.

Cripes - you liberals are dense. All I have been arguing for is a return to the standards that made this nation a prosperous country intead of being in subject to the economic and social liberal values that are now tearing us apart.


52 posted on 04/30/2012 4:30:32 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: JSDude1

Don’t know diddly about GaGa except some of her attention ho antics on the news...she could walk past me in the street singing and she’d be anonymous to me...

...that said, if you want more people to act like Christ, share the Word and bring them to church, leave the stoning of infidels bit to the Muzzies ;^)


53 posted on 04/30/2012 4:31:44 PM PDT by AnTiw1
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To: Past Your Eyes

There’s nothing lady-like about her.


54 posted on 04/30/2012 5:04:19 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you so much,Pumpkin. You're the best cat in the world.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You have confused conservatism with authoritarianism. Conservatives (that is, social conservatives) want a country of Godly people living freely under the minimum necessary law of a small government. If the people are not Godly then the choices are: to win them over at the pulpit, or drive them over with the jackboot. It’s not the job of government to make people Godly. The place to fight the likes of Lady Gaga is in the congregation not the Congress. Conservatism depends on a level of Godliness without which, it fails. When Godliness is imposed by force it is no longer a free, conservative society. It is an authoritarian regime.


55 posted on 04/30/2012 5:05:48 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Cripes - you liberals are dense. All I have been arguing for is a return to the standards that made this nation a prosperous country intead of being in subject to the economic and social liberal values that are now tearing us apart.

May those chains bear lightly upon you. As for me and mine, we don't need government thugs to tell us what to watch, listen to, or do.

And just as an aside... It's just a classic hallmark of lameness to jump right to the "liberal" accusation on FR. Don't be lame. It just means you're out of ideas.

56 posted on 04/30/2012 5:15:34 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

Once again - we have a liberal failing to answer the question. Would it help if I yelled?

WHY ARE LIBERALS SO UPSET AT SOCONS REJECTING THE IDEA OF GAYS SERVING IN THE MILITARY?

If my opposition to this is what you call “authoritarianism”, then fine. I’m an authoritarian.

“When Godliness is imposed by force it is no longer a free, conservative society. It is an authoritarian regime.”

Just who...Name me one SoCon (alive or dead) that has tried to impose Godliness by force. If if you do, I’ll counter with 10 of you liberals that are trying to impose GODLESSNESS through our society, our military, our families, our courts, and yes... even (and especially) our government.


57 posted on 04/30/2012 5:23:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Ramius

“As for me and mine, we don’t need government thugs to tell us what to watch, listen to, or do.”

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Too late. Because you have rejected the sound social policies that would have countered liberal values; YOU personally have yourself to blame for government thugs in office right now telling you “what to watch, listen to, or do.”


58 posted on 04/30/2012 5:29:11 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: AnTiw1

Of course you are correct, however I don’t really think it’s akin to censorship for South Korean Christians to stand up against this evil concert ;).


59 posted on 04/30/2012 5:37:06 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Responsibility2nd

I think you’ve gone gaga ;^)


60 posted on 04/30/2012 5:39:50 PM PDT by AnTiw1
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To: JSDude1
In America that good sense has been disappearing, and I think it's because secularism became the default civic religion somewhere along the way, depriving the old good sense of its oxygen supply and making room for the assertive pleasure-seeking self to replace it as the prevailing social norm.

When it comes to dirty shows, I'm in favor of the community acting together to either get them to change the show or drive them out of town and maybe out of business. Dirty shows strike against the community at the level of civilizational warfare, so "hands-on" is the best response.

61 posted on 04/30/2012 5:41:45 PM PDT by Mmmike
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To: Past Your Eyes

She reminds me of a male transvestite. Her raw meat “dress” was revolting.


62 posted on 04/30/2012 5:57:07 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: JSDude1

I agree, I participated in very nasty protest sitiations when The Last Temptation of Christ furor was here. I know exactly what the battle is about.

BUT state mandated morality is not the way to go, in fact it is a liberal way to go, if they could tax churches and elect a Morality Czar liberals would be all over it...no reason for believers to open the door for them!!

Besides, IIRC many Christians martyred themselves because they would NOT comply with a state ordered “morality law”...which the average Roman also believed was vital for the security of the republic.


63 posted on 04/30/2012 5:57:36 PM PDT by AnTiw1
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To: Mmmike

I agree and that’s what I think this is about, not primarily government censorship.


64 posted on 04/30/2012 6:35:18 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Responsibility2nd
Just who...Name me one SoCon (alive or dead) that has tried to impose Godliness by force.

Well... You are.

65 posted on 04/30/2012 6:43:20 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: JediJones

And I actually love her anthem — Gd makes no mistakes, I’m beautiful in my way — I was born this way. You know how wonderful that song is for kids with differences?? It’s not only for gay kids. It’s for kids with any disability, any “looks,” etc. they are all beautiful and Gd makes no mistakes. Gotta give her that.


66 posted on 04/30/2012 6:49:07 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: fwdude
What if you like to watch child porn? Okay, it's just drawings of kids getting raped. All okay, huh?

Are you serious? No one is saying if you like to rape people it is ok. Your perceived self perception of being a great debater exposes you as a moron. Get real.

67 posted on 04/30/2012 7:08:14 PM PDT by bobzeetwin
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To: Hodar
Freedom means you have the right to do what you want, even if it is short-sighted and stupid.

Pretty much sums up how we got in the mess we are in.

68 posted on 04/30/2012 10:37:28 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: Hodar
Isn't it amazing and pathetic how many "Conservatives" would eagerly and happily surrender their rights,

No one is demanding you give up any rights, they just seem to think screwing in public is not a right. Guess what I agree with them. Dogs in heat, can't help it but humans are supposed to be a little higher order of development.

If you haven't learned to control your self then maybe you should practice a little bio feed back or some other new age crap to help you control your baser urges. Public Sexual displays are just repulsive, and have nothing what so ever to do with freedom.

69 posted on 04/30/2012 10:43:07 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: JSDude1

Maybe Christians should cut the heads off of non-believers or riot and burn buildings. Then they’d be respected.


70 posted on 04/30/2012 10:52:44 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Responsibility2nd
What is it about liberty that scares you so much?

What is it about freedom that scares you so much?

What is it about a Lady Gaga concert that scares you so much?

What is it about the Constitution that scares you so much?

A government with the power to ban a Lady Gaga concert is a government with the power to ban a Promise-keepers event.

Government power is a sword that cuts BOTH ways.

Oh, but THIS time the power will ONLY be used for GOOD!/s

71 posted on 05/01/2012 6:24:06 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: JSDude1

Good for the ROK. There is always North Korea.


72 posted on 05/01/2012 6:47:22 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: bobzeetwin
Who's the moron. Your own words back to you:

I don’t want Goverment dictating what I can, and cannot watch.

Freedom means you have the right to do what you want, even if it is short-sighted and stupid.

Are you denying that some people like watching child porn? Or are you saying that your libertarian views don't extend to them?

In other words, do you presume to be the line drawer on morality?

73 posted on 05/01/2012 7:50:51 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: Ramius

The place to fight the likes of Lady Gaga is in the congregation not the Congress.

Just a little thought: what if Lady Gaga’s proposed show violated existing statutes in South Korea, or in the stadium, or in the community in question? Would it be okay to demand that she propose a show that is fine by standards of some decency? Would it be okay if laws against well, being scantily clad or naked wearing meat were passed by referendum or appeal in a country?


74 posted on 05/01/2012 8:11:40 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Uh, I kind of think you’ve missed the point of Christ’s incarnation in human form.


75 posted on 05/01/2012 10:59:01 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: bobzeetwin; fwdude
Are you denying that some people like watching child porn? Or are you saying that your libertarian views don't extend to them?

The pure libertarian view as I’ve always understood it, is that we all have unlimited rights to live and do as we choose as free and responsible adults, fully responsible and accountable for our own personal actions and decision, both positive and negative up until the point that my or your right to live as we choose and our actions infringes upon my or your or someone else’s right to do the very same.

A child; victimized and raped and assaulted and filmed in a porno flick is having their rights and most basic human dignity violated and being a child, is not at all capable of freely consenting to such activity. That’s what makes it a crime to make and a crime to knowingly purchase and watch and I think most libertarians agree.

There might be a few very fringe and extreme and very sick and misguided individuals who say Kiddie porn is OK but they certainly don’t represent most Libertarians or “libertarians” i.e. conservatives with a strong libertarian leaning.

A libertarian might also make the point that if I hire a worker and that worker is a mentally competent and consenting adult and is perfectly agreeable to working for me for $2.00 an hour and without health insurance, what business is of the government to force me to pay minimum wage and provide health insurance and force the worker to accept that arrangement? If on the other hand, if I see you walking down the street, hit you on the head to the point of unconsciousness and brutally force you to work for me for whatever pay or for no pay and under what ever conditions I dictate without giving you any choice to freely walk away, then that’s slavery and that’s a crime.

You might choose to not see the difference, but it is there.

76 posted on 05/01/2012 1:41:45 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: JSDude1

Maybe YOU missed the point. Hint: It’s called sarcasm.


77 posted on 05/01/2012 2:47:24 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: MD Expat in PA
The pure libertarian view... is that we all have unlimited rights to live and do as we choose as free and responsible adults, fully responsible and accountable for our own personal actions and decision, both positive and negative up until the point that my or your right to live as we choose and our actions infringes upon my or your or someone else’s right to do the very same.

Ah, and there's the rub, isn't it? You run with your artificial, uninformed presumption that there is a cut-and-dry differentiation between non-infringing actions and infringing actions. But it is not that cut-and-dry, except in your own selfish value judgements.

What if I point an unloaded handgun at you? Is there any right of yours that is infringed? What if I show you that the gun is unloaded?

Your response is that you are threatened; a feeling, while no actual physical harm is done - moreover, no actual physical harm is even possible. But you would be correct. The pointing of a gun, even unloaded, at someone is a threatening gesture, by societal standards.

And yet you would deny the FEELINGS of others who feel just as threatened, and provably, justifiably so, by societal poisons like "Lady GaGa."

78 posted on 05/01/2012 3:35:19 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude
and yet you would deny the FEELINGS of others who feel just as threatened, and provably, justifiably so, by societal poisons like "Lady GaGa."

Really? Really? So Lady GaGa is barging into your home in the middle of the night and under threat of bodily harm, forcing you to listen to her music? She is forcing you to listen to only radio stations that play her “music”, forcing you to watch MTV? She has reprogrammed your car radio and CD player so that it plays nothing but Lady GaGa? She’s hacked into your credit card and downloaded her songs to your I-pod against your will? She is forcing you to spend your hard earned money and forcing you to attend her concerts against your will?

Somehow I’ve been able to remain Lady GaGa free despite it all her threats and the weight of her brutal force. There is such a thing as an off switch and you might want to learn how they work and there is also such a thing as, “you don’t like it, don’t listen to it.”

I like all kinds and types of music BTW and will even admit that I even like a few of Lady GaGa’s songs that I’ve heard.

On the other hand, I really like and prefer classical music and am a big fan of Mauler and Wagner. So I guess that makes me anti-Semitic?

There is such a thing as a grip; I really suggest you get one.

79 posted on 05/01/2012 4:02:01 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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