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Dan Rather Outspoken: Still Battling CBS News (Now Claims Rathergate Dcuments Were Genuine)
Daily Beast ^ | Apr 30, 2012 4:45 AM EDT | Lloyd Grove

Posted on 05/01/2012 6:47:53 AM PDT by MindBender26

Dan Rather just won’t let it go.

Nearly eight years after his fabled career at CBS News imploded like a death star over the notorious George W. Bush/Texas Air National Guard segment on 60 Minutes Wednesday, he can’t stop combing the debris for shards of vindication.

“I have a story to tell from my point of view,” he says about his new book, Rather Outspoken: My Life in the News, which roasts network management for its “spineless” behavior during the Bush episode; takes potshots at his successor in the CBS Evening News anchor chair, Katie Couric, as a purveyor of “News Lite”; and settles scores with former colleagues who, as he writes, “after pretending to be friends for all those years, stealthily snuck around giving anonymous newspaper quotes and otherwise scheming to put the dirk in deep when I was down and hurting.”

Rather explains: “I wanted to tell it as honestly and as candidly as I could with—as Lyndon Johnson used to say—the bark off.”

The Sept. 8, 2004, Bush segment and its use of dubious documents to bolster the case that the 43rd president benefited from family connections and then went AWOL during his Vietnam-era stint in a “champagne unit” of the guard, plus Rather’s subsequent lawsuit against the network he served for 44 years—24 of them as anchor and managing editor of CBS’s flagship news program—account for only a fourth of the book. Rather initially dug in his heels during the firestorm that accompanied his damning report on a sitting president two months before his reelection. But he ultimately apologized for airing widely debunked photocopies of purported memos critical of young Bush’s performance and allegedly written by his commanding officer, the late Jerry B. Killian, lieutenant colonel in the Texas Air National Guard, saying CBS News could no longer vouch for their authenticity.

A CBS-commissioned investigation of the disaster—headed by Richard Thornburgh, U.S. attorney general when Bush’s father was president, and Associated Press chief executive Louis D. Boccardi—faulted Rather and his top producer, Mary Mapes, among others, for their misplaced reliance on a dubious source and their sloppy vetting of the questionable documents, which should never have aired. They made the situation far worse, the investigation concluded, by defending the documents for nearly two weeks after the initial report—never mind the mounting evidence against them from the blogosphere, competitors in the mainstream media, and CBS’s own hired document experts. Five news executives and producers, including Mapes, lost their jobs in the aftermath, and 60 Minutes Wednesday was canceled.

But these days Rather insists the Killian memos were real. Pop Quiz

“I believe them to be genuine,” he tells The Daily Beast, holding forth in his corner office at his weekly HDNet magazine program, Dan Rather Reports, in a musty old building off Times Square. “I did at the time, I did in the immediate aftermath of it, and yes, I do now ... And I think the longer we go, nobody has ever proven that the documents were not what they purported to be, and after this length of time and given the controversy and high profile of it, my view is that if they were not genuine, by this time somebody would’ve come forward and said here’s the proof that they’re not. Nobody has done that.” (Unfortunately for Rather, nobody has come forward with proof that they are in fact legitimate, and the preponderance of the available evidence continues to cast doubt on their authenticity.)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: buckhead; danrather; fakebutaccurate; memogate; rathergate; tankerkc
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BS:

As an old CBS'er I can tell you the documents were totaly disproved, largly due to work on FR.

#1: The forged documents were typed in Times Roman. Times Roman was a very rare font, not used by typewriers. Tehy used Pica, Courier and Elite, not TR. TR became popular with word processors, not before.

#2: The zip codes for certain addresses for current in 2004, but had never been used until 17 years after the letters were supposedly written.

#3: The abreviations for terms like Squadren, Temporary Duty amd oters were Army, USAR and ARNG, not USAFR.

#4: The superscript in the purpoted memo was not available on ant USAF or USAFR typewriter for decades after the memo date.

Bottom line; it was total BS, and Rather knew if from atleast 24 hours after the story aired. His producer, the hard-leftist Mapes, knew if before ther story ran.

1 posted on 05/01/2012 6:48:00 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
And I think the longer we go, nobody has ever proven that the documents were not what they purported to be,

I guess Rather never heard the maxim that you can't prove a negative. But in the case of the TANG documents, we came as close as possible to doing just that.

2 posted on 05/01/2012 6:53:31 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: MindBender26

What about the strawberries, Dan? Tell us about the strawberries!


3 posted on 05/01/2012 6:56:45 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: MindBender26

Lt. Dan is one sick puppy.


4 posted on 05/01/2012 6:57:04 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968- I have now gone pecan.)
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Buckhead
5 posted on 05/01/2012 6:59:35 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: MindBender26

One of the biggest was there were animated gifs at the time showing that the space each line took up across the page was identical to the document created in word.

The evidence was legion.

In fact, Dan lost all credibility on the Friday following the 60 minutes broadcast. He actually had the audacity to say they were most likely genuine and even flashed, for just a second, a document from the 70’s that had superscript. Before the internet, that would have been QED. But we were able to vet everything and expose him for the bald face liar that he was.

To this day I call Dan Rather the first well known casualty of the free flow of information afforded by the web.

Here’s the timeline: http://mediamythbusters.com/index.php?title=Rathergate


6 posted on 05/01/2012 6:59:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Voter#537

I cannot believe you people. Of course the document is genuine. He held it up for all to see.

Here is the problem. None of you buy into the liberal mantra about what is genuine and what isn’t. You see, in the liberal world, the document is in fact genuine. However the contents are fake.

What is is??????


7 posted on 05/01/2012 7:00:07 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Would you rather eat dog food or cat food? Guess it's Romney 2012.)
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To: MindBender26

That’s right, and much much more.


8 posted on 05/01/2012 7:00:40 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Voter#537
Lt. Dan is one sick puppy.

He's using the Joe Paterno strategy.

9 posted on 05/01/2012 7:01:04 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: MindBender26

We need some freepers to comment here:
http://my.firedoglake.com/phoenix/2012/04/17/remember-rathergate-a-key-instigator-admits-the-killian-memos-cant-be-debunked-via-the-fonts-argument/


10 posted on 05/01/2012 7:01:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MindBender26

Rather is a pathetic old fool.

Fifty years ago, he was pathetic young fool.


11 posted on 05/01/2012 7:03:38 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: MindBender26

Rather has to stand by it. It’s the only way libs will even consider buying the book.


12 posted on 05/01/2012 7:03:52 AM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: MindBender26

“I have a story to tell from my point of view...”

Is that what a journalist does, Dan?

Make up evidence to support a preexisting agenda, and then refuse to admit the obvious when it’s proven to be forged?

I fondly recall the old days, when objectivity and facts actually meant something to reporters.

What a putz.


13 posted on 05/01/2012 7:04:51 AM PDT by Tigerized ("..and whack 'em, and whack 'em, and whack 'em!' cried the Toad in ecstasy." (also my 2012 strategy))
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To: dirtboy

Rather used to own a home in my community of Lakeway TX. This was not his main residence, he used it as a “weekender” home. I don’t know how often he came here, but I did see him around town a time or two.

One day, I drove by his house and noted that no one was there at the time. I went home and got a Bush for President sign and put it in his front yard.

I’m sure he never saw it, because it remained there for a long time after the election, but it was a fun thing to do.


14 posted on 05/01/2012 7:04:58 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: MindBender26

Lying liar lying!


15 posted on 05/01/2012 7:07:06 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Buckhead

FReeper extraordinare ping!


16 posted on 05/01/2012 7:11:35 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: MindBender26
Yes;Dan; we hear your 'truth'. . .and we hear Al Sharpton as well. (Tawanna WAS a victim; and Al did the right thing. . .) And (beyond 'being there' and using up band aids and camera film)John Kerry 'served' his country in Viet Nam. . .and Obama has a legitimate Birth Certificate. . .and loves America.

Just pinch me. . .

17 posted on 05/01/2012 7:15:04 AM PDT by cricket ( It is not just 'the economy' and Newt knows it. . .)
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To: MindBender26


18 posted on 05/01/2012 7:17:58 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: MindBender26

Hey Dan, you doddering old fool: You and Ms. Mary Mapes are the ones who made the accusation - it’s up to you to prove it, not for President Bush to disprove it.


19 posted on 05/01/2012 7:22:06 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: MindBender26
Unfortunately for Rather, nobody has come forward with proof that they are in fact legitimate, and the preponderance of the available evidence continues to cast doubt on their authenticity.

At first I just thought that Rather was dour because he always looked like he needed a shave. Then when he could not answer a simple question, which is more 10% of $1,000 or 10% of 1,000,000? He seemed like a big dummy, or just another leftist with a disordered mind.

It is amusing that he is a single issue show, boring for sure.

20 posted on 05/01/2012 7:23:36 AM PDT by olezip
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To: MindBender26

And he proved with geometric logic, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist!


21 posted on 05/01/2012 7:23:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: MindBender26
“I believe them to be genuine ... I did at the time, I did in the immediate aftermath of it, and yes, I do now."
Is it no wonder that Liberalism is defined as a mental disease?
22 posted on 05/01/2012 7:25:03 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: MindBender26
This pic is no fake. It was taken during his trip to Cuba.

>Image and video hosting by TinyPic

23 posted on 05/01/2012 7:25:20 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: MindBender26
“I believe them to be genuine,” he tells The Daily Beast, holding forth in his corner office at his weekly HDNet magazine program, Dan Rather Reports, in a musty old building off Times Square. “I did at the time, I did in the immediate aftermath of it, and yes, I do now ... And I think the longer we go, nobody has ever proven that the documents were not what they purported to be, and after this length of time and given the controversy and high profile of it, my view is that if they were not genuine, by this time somebody would’ve come forward and said here’s the proof that they’re not. Nobody has done that.” (Unfortunately for Rather, nobody has come forward with proof that they are in fact legitimate, and the preponderance of the available evidence continues to cast doubt on their authenticity.)

As I recall, it took the "guys in the basement in pajamas" less than a day to start questioning the validity of the printed records. If rather Dan is right (no, he's really left) they were typed on the beta version company of the future Microsoft on the really beta version of WORD on a computer that wasn't even a beta prototype at the time the documents were purported to be written. But that's alright Dan, we believe you -- now please just take your medicines and you'll feel a lot better.

24 posted on 05/01/2012 7:32:34 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: A.A. Cunningham

25 posted on 05/01/2012 7:33:33 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: MindBender26
And I think the longer we go, nobody has ever proven that the documents were not what they purported to be, and after this length of time and given the controversy and high profile of it, my view is that if they were not genuine, by this time somebody would’ve come forward and said here’s the proof that they’re not. Nobody has done that.”

He intentionally overlooks Free Repblic's (and some other online forums') finest hours.

Memo to Dan Rather. What a lying, deceitful, forgery-mongering fungus you are.

(And always will be).

Oh, and just so you know...Lying about deceit and lying doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. There is no recovery for whatever good name you might have had..

.

26 posted on 05/01/2012 7:33:42 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: MindBender26

The Rathergate unravelling was a high-watermark for FR......maybe the best work thats ever been done by people in pajamas


27 posted on 05/01/2012 7:39:56 AM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: MindBender26

If I remember correctly, you could exactly duplicate the document by opening Word and typing using the default settings for font, margins, etc.

IOW, whoever forged it didn’t even bother to change the default settings. They just assumed the document would be accepted as real.

Prior to the Web, they would have been right.


28 posted on 05/01/2012 7:40:04 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ETL

maybe dan would like to investigate a certain birth certificate since he is an expert on forgeries.

we will show him this photo after the revolution and right before we put him up against the wall.


29 posted on 05/01/2012 7:46:22 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: cuban leaf

The font argument is iron-clad. But, if it weren’t, the formats of the memos (headings, alignment of signature etc) were from a standard establised around 1993.

Strike 2.


30 posted on 05/01/2012 7:50:03 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: cuban leaf
on the Friday following the 60 minutes broadcast

Dan must not think anyone watches him. I caught a part of that broadcast in which he had his source on to interview. Dan asked the guy about him vetting his sources and information to which the guy basically said that he hadn't done any confirmation of information and that he had expected CBS to do it. The look on old Dan's face was priceless.
Not to mention that the source had been presented as "unimpeachable" the week before and had been kept secret presumably to keep him from being killed by the Bush cabal. Then a week later brought him out. Either keeping him anonymous was done just because he was an unreliable source or Dan "burned" a source by endangering his life. Either way it's something an honest journalist doesn't do.

31 posted on 05/01/2012 7:51:07 AM PDT by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds, in being a one term president.)
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To: MindBender26
Imagine the good he could have done, if he had just stuck to facts and good journalism. Imagine if he was still around in 2008 and had gone after Obama with even half the zeal he went after Bush!

A Dan Rather with his reputation in tact could have destroyed Obama with one show.

32 posted on 05/01/2012 8:03:54 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: MindBender26

Interesting that Rather cancelled an appearance on Bill O’Reilly’s show. Maybe he didn’t want to answer some tough questions.


33 posted on 05/01/2012 8:11:54 AM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: MindBender26

Off the meds again, Dan?


34 posted on 05/01/2012 8:20:02 AM PDT by bgill
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To: MindBender26

(Now Claims Rathergate Dcuments Were Genuine)
***Genuine but Fake but Accurate, yeah right


35 posted on 05/01/2012 8:23:12 AM PDT by Kevmo (Palin 2012. It's just me in the voting booth. 100% straight republican ticket.)
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To: MindBender26; SpinnerWebb
and settles scores with former colleagues who, as he writes, “after pretending to be friends for all those years, stealthily snuck around giving anonymous newspaper quotes and otherwise scheming to put the dirk in deep when I was down and hurting.”

Let me spell it out for you Kenneth ..

Case Closed
36 posted on 05/01/2012 8:23:12 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: MindBender26

Bookmark.


37 posted on 05/01/2012 8:28:12 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: immadashell
As I recall, it took the "guys in the basement in pajamas" less than a day to start questioning the validity of the printed records.

Faster. In fact one of the Ratherist "defences" against the FR analysis was that Freepers were crying "fake" in posts timemarked before the CBS segment went to air. OF course FR posts are timemarked Pacific time and the program ran 3 hours earlier on the East coast. IIRC correctly the MS-Word computer overlay match using the pdfs from the CBS website was one item that beat Hollywood Time.

38 posted on 05/01/2012 8:37:55 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: basil

I love that story :-); good for you.


39 posted on 05/01/2012 8:40:15 AM PDT by SueRae (The Tower of Sauron falls on 11.06.2012)
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To: SueRae

I have to admit that it was a fun thing to do. At least his neighbors saw it!


40 posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:15 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: SueRae

I have to admit that it was a fun thing to do. At least his neighbors saw it!


41 posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:26 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Voter#537
"Lt. Dan is one sick puppy."

He's worse than that. The documents were not only fake, they were really, really BAD fakes. If Dan is so stupid that he can't see that, he deserves pity, not scorn. Believe me, pity is far worse to a "newsman" than scorn.

42 posted on 05/01/2012 8:56:05 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: dfwgator

And in this case, it was the little mess(ed up) boys running around in Dan’s head.


43 posted on 05/01/2012 9:00:04 AM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: MindBender26
"..nobody has ever proven that the documents were not what they purported to be,.."

You can't prove a negative Danny Dipstick! The propaganda theory of repetition only works if you have an audience.

Think of all the power Rather had and for how long. Scary!

44 posted on 05/01/2012 9:02:44 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: MindBender26

Dan Rather......

“They’re real! They’re real! You kids get off my lawn! Whose cat’s been crapping in my garden again?”


45 posted on 05/01/2012 9:05:36 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Steely Tom

Or the frequency - he must have more to say about the frequency.


46 posted on 05/01/2012 9:18:43 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: cuban leaf
They found a few with superscript and font, but they were special typewriters and the military buys things by the millions.
47 posted on 05/01/2012 9:34:54 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: razorback-bert

—They found a few with superscript and font, but they were special typewriters and the military buys things by the millions.—

Precisely.

And then there is Kerning.

However, even the typewriters of the day that DID do the superscript, etc. did not match the contents of the forgeries as precisely as Word versions did.


48 posted on 05/01/2012 10:13:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: razorback-bert
They found a few with superscript and font, but they were special typewriters and the military buys things by the millions.

From my experience in the advertising trade, I'm familiar with those machines.

They were primarily employed by engraving and typesetting companies. They were huge -- filling an entire tabletop. They were massive...and obscenely heavy. And they printed their output on a tape, not on paper.

No way an ANG base ever had one of those. Complete red herring...

49 posted on 05/01/2012 10:36:41 AM PDT by okie01
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To: MindBender26

If Dan Rather believes the documents to be genuine he has never given a good explination as to why they look so fake.


50 posted on 05/01/2012 10:47:05 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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