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Legalized Drugs: Dumber Than You May Think
The Weekly Standard ^ | May 7, 2012 | JOHN P. WALTERS

Posted on 05/01/2012 1:09:31 PM PDT by DannyTN

May 7, 2012, Vol. 17, No. 32 • By JOHN P. WALTERS Single Page Print Larger Text Smaller Text Alerts

Even smart people make mistakes;sometimes surprisingly large ones. A current example is drug legalization, which way too many smart people consider a good idea.

They offer three bad arguments.

First, they contend, “the drug war has failed” despite years of effort we have been unable to reduce the drug problem. Actually, as imperfect as surveys may be, they present overwhelming evidence that the drug problem is growing smaller and has fallen in response to known, effective measures.

Americans use illegal drugs at substantially lower rates than

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: drugs; warondrugs
In before the libertarians bash this...

I know, I posted the article, but you have to be fast on drug war articles.

1 posted on 05/01/2012 1:09:40 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Bashety bashety bashety bash...

They tell on themselves. Better rehab and education on dangers has helped where interdiction has failed. Just because it’s still legal to eat, say, Drano doesn’t mean people are lining up to do it.


2 posted on 05/01/2012 1:12:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (To the devil with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: DannyTN

This is a bunch of circular reasoning and avoidance of facts.

The article is chock full of specious assertions.


3 posted on 05/01/2012 1:15:27 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I am Libertarian on the subject, but I am personally against the use of most drugs. As a recovering alcoholic and a former pot smoker, I can say that neither does anything positive for your life. I’ve destroyed relationships and careers with booze and pot, and being clean and sober now for 2 years, I can say definitively that life is better without.

I didn’t go through rehab, but I would support redirecting funds currently going toward “fighting” the war on drugs to rehab program subsidies for those who truly need it.


4 posted on 05/01/2012 1:18:45 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: DannyTN

I don’t agree with legalization of hard drugs but things like pot should never have been made illegal. Also what this article really needs to address is all the freedoms we’ve lost due to the “war on drugs” and why Mexico is melting down because of cartels made rich off the drugs that we buy. The unintended (or maybe intended) consequences of the war on drugs is not worth it in my opinion. However, if you like the police state that we live in then party on!


5 posted on 05/01/2012 1:19:04 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: glorgau

The former “drug czar” for Bush doesn’t cite any sources for his made up facts.

Not worth reading.


6 posted on 05/01/2012 1:20:03 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: DannyTN

For me, legalizing drugs is about limiting government. I don’t expect government to keep me safe from my own stupidity. I’m royally tired of the gazillions of agencies running around minding my business. It’s time for it to stop & drug laws are a good place to make it stop.

Sorry if that’s too Libertarian of me.


7 posted on 05/01/2012 1:21:02 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: DannyTN
drug problem is growing smaller and has fallen

Replaced with prescription drugs for: ADHA, depression and various other happy drugs.

Obamacare will make the Federal government our drug dealer.

If the elites don't like our behavior, they will cut off our legal drugs. We will be slaves.

8 posted on 05/01/2012 1:25:09 PM PDT by donna (...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way... -Mitt Romney)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; trapped_in_LA
I would agree that better education might reduce the need for interdiction.

There are still not enough people making the leap between Sinead O'Connor's pot parties, and Sinead O'Connor's bipolar disease. The Harvard studies pinpoint the causative effect, but the claim that pot is no more harmful than alcohol still resonates in society.

I'd be for showing middle school and high school students, some graphic videos on the effects of drug addiction as well as what addiction to alcohol does to your liver and your relationships.

9 posted on 05/01/2012 1:25:12 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: HiTech RedNeck; trapped_in_LA
I would agree that better education might reduce the need for interdiction.

There are still not enough people making the leap between Sinead O'Connor's pot parties, and Sinead O'Connor's bipolar disease. The Harvard studies pinpoint the causative effect, but the claim that pot is no more harmful than alcohol still resonates in society.

I'd be for showing middle school and high school students, some graphic videos on the effects of drug addiction as well as what addiction to alcohol does to your liver and your relationships.

10 posted on 05/01/2012 1:25:36 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: All

As illegal as drugs are, they are widely available on city street corners to anyone who wants them. Do you really think the fact that pot is illegal means someone who wants to, can’t buy it?

The black market of illegal drugs makes crooked politicians, judges, and cops very wealthy.


11 posted on 05/01/2012 1:26:14 PM PDT by Gigantor (2012...sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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To: glorgau
The article is chock full of specious assertions.

Indeed. The reason drug use has declined over 40 years is because the biggest age cohort of those who did the stuff are now either dead, or in their 60-70's. Many younger people of the next generations (and their parents) learned the lessons of what drug addiction means, and avoid the stuff. Others have not learned, nor will they ever.

Sadly, the USA faces a conundrum. We have created a pleasure-seeking, entertainment-addled, irresponsible society where many will indeed chase illegal drugs. We also have a massive, and expensive, welfare, medical and prison public bureaucracy in place that burdens the taxpayer by any temporary increase in addiction. As such, we are stuck - we can't afford to legalize drugs, and we can't afford to keep them illegal.

12 posted on 05/01/2012 1:27:25 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: DannyTN

Put undercovers into the supply chain to poison the crap. End of problem.


13 posted on 05/01/2012 1:33:58 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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Drugs will be legalized because no amount of commerce is allowed without giving a cut to Uncle Sam. The money involved makes government types salivate.

One thing I have always wondered, why do we have to have an entire federal police agency devoted to 3 perfectly legal things...Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms???


14 posted on 05/01/2012 1:36:35 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: trapped_in_LA
It's a matter of benefits versus costs. For the fiscal conservative look up the millions spent on the the “war on drugs.” It has been a major cause of pushing back the rights of citizens in search and seizure cases. It has led to a massive growth in Federal authority over the states. The precedent from those cases may be used to push Obama care down our throats as constitutional.

Economically, the war on drugs keeps the price high for drugs and allows the cartels to have monopoly profits.

Drugs are bad, government is worse. Just say no to both.

15 posted on 05/01/2012 1:37:43 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. II Corinthians 3:17)
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To: DannyTN
The people who benefit from he WOD are all the law enforcement types and the parasites who sell them goods and services.
16 posted on 05/01/2012 1:39:32 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: free me
Yeah... I noticed that too.

Kinda makes you wonder what a cost/benefit analysis of flushing the Constitutions limits on the FedGov VS running a multi-trillion dollar drug war would look like.

17 posted on 05/01/2012 1:43:34 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: DannyTN
Wish my cousin were still alive.

He spent his entire life fighting the drug war, and when he knew his life's end was near, he was willing to call it what it had been - a total waste.

The war has been fought almost exclusively on the supply side, and you have to be a complete idiot to think you can ever win like that. As long as demand exists, all you are doing is raising the price. And of course as the price goes up, so does the profit for those involved.

More profit means more powerful, dangerous, and sophisticated drug cartels. And that is abundant in spades. The hippy couple that brought three pounds of pot across the boarder under the back seat of a Volkswagen bus has been replaced with a well oiled, deadly, multinational criminal enterprise.

The complete and utter damnation of the “war on drugs” is that the average middle school kid can now get pot easier than beer. That sums it up.

18 posted on 05/01/2012 1:44:19 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: starlifter
Not to mention Drug companies and Doctors.

Try and convict them all under RICO...

Yeah... I know. Pipe dream. And I don't even smoke. Doesn't seem fair somehow... ;-)

19 posted on 05/01/2012 1:48:06 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Twotone

Will it limit government or expand it? Once it’s legal the taxpayers have to pay for the healthcare, rehab, and welfare of people who indulge. The government will have to establish a huge agency to deal with regulating and taxing these businesses. Plus, the government will have to pay for the drugs for anyone who can’t afford them. George Soros has promoted drug legalization, because he thought it is the ticket to socialized medicine.


20 posted on 05/01/2012 1:51:40 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DannyTN
Fine. Let's ban alcohol, and tobacco. Might as well ban vitamins, and supplements too.

Did God almighty not give you the right and responsibility to take care of your own body?

Who are YOU? Your brothers keeper? Jailer? Slaver?

Freedumb isn't free.

21 posted on 05/01/2012 1:54:18 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: JimRed

You want Gov’t to kill more people? Seriously?


22 posted on 05/01/2012 1:57:14 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: JimRed
BTW, they did that back in the day.
23 posted on 05/01/2012 1:59:00 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: DannyTN
The decades of decline coincide with tougher laws, popular disapproval of drug use, and powerful demand reduction measures such as drug treatment in the criminal justice system and drug testing.

Hopefully noone is dumb enough to believe this. But it is typical Beltway self-congratulatory thinking. I think it would just crush their little pinheads if they knew what the real world effect of their policies were.
24 posted on 05/01/2012 2:07:01 PM PDT by microgood
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To: DannyTN

There are good reasons to keep some drugs illegal. This article misses most of them. It angers me when it says “pretending smoked marijuana is medicine”
Yet if a pharm company takes out the THC and places it in a pill -Marinol- suddenly it is medicine. As long as some company can make a lot of money off of something it is medicine. I have no problem with expanding the drug war though education. I do have a problem with putting your neighbor in a cage for something that causes no harm to you or society.


25 posted on 05/01/2012 2:09:18 PM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: nickcarraway

Rehab is a hell of a lot cheaper than prison and has better outcomes. -as far as limit gov or expand it.. take a look at tobacco and alcohol. It deffinatly increased the paperwork, regulating and certifying producers, but would it be worth it to eliminate large sections of the DEA? I guess I have to choose gov oppression with suitcases or gov oppression with guns, I’m choosing the suitcases.


26 posted on 05/01/2012 2:20:18 PM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: JimRed

“Put undercovers into the supply chain to poison the crap. End of problem.”

Or put users and dealers to death. The problem with the “drug war” is half-assed doesn’t work — you need to be “in” or “out” for it to work.

I don’t see the radical steps being taken, so we need to “get out.”

It cost a lot of money and has created a really scary police state that can be abused by the likes of Obama and his thugs.


27 posted on 05/01/2012 2:21:42 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: DannyTN

The drug war is working so well, think what another 100 bill or so a year can accomplish.

This is the classic example of government control over our behavior and how the answer to any problem is more of the same.


28 posted on 05/01/2012 2:24:47 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Gigantor

I saw the LA street gangs and Mexican Mafia flourish over the last 35 years from drug dealing and controlling territory. This is one of the “accomplishments” of the WOD.


29 posted on 05/01/2012 2:26:39 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Theoria
You want Gov’t to kill more people?

No. They'd be killing themselves. Non-users of illegal drugs will not be at risk. Oh, and I forgot to mention the warning, and offer of rehab (one time only).

30 posted on 05/01/2012 2:41:10 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: DannyTN

What’s even dumber is trashing the 4th, 5th and 10th Amendments as well as the clearly stated limits on Federal power laid down in the US Constitution.

That’s not just dumber, it’s incredibly dangerous to our Liberties.

L


31 posted on 05/01/2012 2:44:48 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: DannyTN
What John Walters (career beltway bureaucrat) conveniently omits is that ENDING THE FEDERAL DRUG WAR WILL NOT LEGALIZE DRUGS. Every state has their own drug laws already on the books, and getting rid of the federal drug war will not remove them.

They're counting on "good conservatives" to infer from all the hype that without the federal drug war there would be anarchy, and be willing to let them keep right on eating away at your constitutional rights, believing that it's the only way to save you from the drugs.

THINK, people!

32 posted on 05/01/2012 2:57:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JimRed
Put undercovers into the supply chain to poison the crap. End of problem.
First father of two small business owner with no criminal record that bites it because of it and you can a law to end the prohibition of most substances will get pushed through with his name on it.
33 posted on 05/01/2012 2:57:44 PM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: rarestia
I wish you all the best in staying clean and sober.

Thanks for the insight.

I was once for the legalization of at least pot, but after watching what it did to my nephew, I realized that the pot that is on the street today is not the same drug we had back in the 70’s or that we read about from the early 17th and 18th centuries.

The pot of the 21st century is an whole new animal and genetically altered to the point of being worse then cocaine.

I no longer favor the legalization of any drug!

Hell, just look at the lives that have been destroyed by Oxycontin, which is basically legalized heroin.

34 posted on 05/01/2012 3:50:36 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: dsrtsage
Drugs will be legalized because no amount of commerce is allowed without giving a cut to Uncle Sam. The money involved makes government types salivate.

Not only that, but it's a tenet of Communism and our Government is going full bore on all the others.

35 posted on 05/01/2012 3:53:50 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

So are you willing to respect the Tenth Amendment and let each state decide that issue? Or do support fedgov using the Commerce Clause to impose national prohibition?


36 posted on 05/01/2012 4:06:56 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: DannyTN
In before the libertarians bash this...

Well, according to the article date, you posted it six days before it was published.

37 posted on 05/01/2012 4:12:07 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DannyTN

Right now, the game has changed significantly, so that the most dangerous drugs out there are, of course, #1 and still going strong, alcohol. But #2 is rapidly becoming legal, prescription opiates and synthetic opiates.

In fact, there is a profusion of drugs like the Vicodin class (Hydrocodone/paracetamol)(semi-synthetic opioid), as well as the Hydromorphone class, and the Hydromorphinol class, and the Oxymorphone class. Dozens of brand names and generics.

In short, these are effectively “middle class heroin”, at about 20% of the strength of heroin, the balance made up with OTC NSAID pain reliever drugs such as acetaminophen.

But now there is an intent to market 100% purity of these drugs not in combination with other drugs. But as addictive as heroin.

The skyrocketing rate of abuse of these dangerous narcotics has long been so great as to give the federal government an excuse to obtain all prescription records from all citizens, a massive loss of privacy that has yet to show any lessening of the levels of addiction.

It has been pointed out as well that for those addicted to these drugs that they are both so expensive and so relatively controlled that heroin is a reasonable alternative, both cheaper and more widely available.

This is a huge, national problem.


38 posted on 05/01/2012 4:12:59 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Jewbacca
Or put users and dealers to death. The problem with the “drug war” is half-assed doesn’t work — you need to be “in” or “out” for it to work.

Good point. There is no drug problem in North Korea. Police states work!

39 posted on 05/01/2012 4:29:50 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

http://freekorea.us/2008/03/02/north-korea-has-a-meth-problem/


40 posted on 05/01/2012 4:33:55 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DannyTN

The federal government does not have the right to regulate the growth or non-commercial use of a plant that literally grows like a weed and doesn’t require processing or transport across state lines.

A few years ago, I was trying to grow a traditional medicine garden and couldn’t get poppy seeds. That year, a woman was arrested for selling heirloom poppy seeds. This made me stop and consider marijuana laws as well.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/edible/msg021133426494.html?15


41 posted on 05/01/2012 4:43:07 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: DannyTN

The federal government does not have the right to regulate the growth or non-commercial use of a plant that literally grows like a weed and doesn’t require processing or transport across state lines.

A few years ago, I was trying to grow a traditional medicine garden and couldn’t get poppy seeds. That year, a woman was arrested for selling heirloom poppy seeds. This made me stop and consider marijuana laws as well.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/edible/msg021133426494.html?15


42 posted on 05/01/2012 4:43:07 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: DannyTN

The federal government does not have the right to regulate the growth or non-commercial use of a plant that literally grows like a weed and doesn’t require processing or transport across state lines.

A few years ago, I was trying to grow a traditional medicine garden and couldn’t get poppy seeds. That year, a woman was arrested for selling heirloom poppy seeds. This made me stop and consider marijuana laws as well.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/edible/msg021133426494.html?15


43 posted on 05/01/2012 4:43:16 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: hocndoc

Whoops, whoops, whoops!


44 posted on 05/01/2012 4:46:26 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: hocndoc

Looks like it was a drive-by anyway. Posted almost 4 hours ago, and hasn’t responded after that.


45 posted on 05/01/2012 4:50:07 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

At least he just posted once, though.


46 posted on 05/01/2012 6:49:12 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: HenryArmitage
I guess I have to choose gov oppression with suitcases or gov oppression with guns, I’m choosing the suitcases.

Translation: You want me to work my butt off, and you want to take the money I earn.

If this happens now, the DEA will increase at least threefold.

47 posted on 05/01/2012 7:03:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

What would you say to obeying the Tenth Amendment and letting the states decide intrastate drug policies, rather than national prohibition under the Commerce Clause?


48 posted on 05/01/2012 8:12:55 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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