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Elizabeth Warren’s drop of Cherokee blood
Legal Insurrection ^ | May 1, 2012 | William A. Jacobson

Posted on 05/01/2012 6:00:14 PM PDT by Qbert

Yesterday I posted about how Elizabeth Warren’s campaign acknowledged that she self-identified as Native American on forms she filled out for the Association of American Law Schools in the mid-1980s through 1994, but that she still was searching for the genealogical evidence to support her claim.

According to the Boston Herald (added- Cover here)(h/t Instapundit) Warren found the proof last night, in the form of her great-great-great grandmother being Cherokee:

Desperately scrambling to validate Democrat Elizabeth Warren’s Native American heritage amid questions about whether she used her minority status to further her career, the Harvard Law professor’s campaign last night finally came up with what they claim is a Cherokee connection — her great-great-great-grandmother.

“She would be 1⁄32nd of Elizabeth Warren’s total ancestry,” noted genealogist Christopher Child said, referring to the candidate’s great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, who is listed on an Oklahoma marriage certificate as Cherokee. Smith is an ancestor on Warren’s mother’s side, Child said.

The controversy will not be over, as further reported by the Herald:

Suzan Shown Harjo, a former executive director of the National Congress of American Indians, expressed outrage yesterday after learning that Warren had identified herself as a Native American on law school records without documentation.

“If you believe you are these things then that’s fine and dandy, but that doesn’t give you the right to claim yourself as Native American,” said Harjo, who said Warren might have taken a job another Native American could have received.

On what basis does someone who is 1/32nd of anything claim that 1/32nd as ethnicity or race for any purpose?  And is it believable that Warren had no purpose in claiming Native American status when she was building her career in a field which desperately sought minority, and particularly Native American, members.

The issue, though, is larger than Warren personally and goes to the ethos of Warren’s campaign.

How ironic that the new liberal lioness has resorted to counting drops of blood for her self-identification.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: cherokee; elizabethwarren; greatgreatgreatgrand; massachusetts; scottbrown
Today in diversity math: Elizabeth Warren gets to call herself a "Native American" on her law school records because of an alleged 1/32 drop of Cherokee blood... but George Zimmerman, whose mother is Peruvian, is a only a "white Hispanic"...
1 posted on 05/01/2012 6:00:27 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

She’s definately a white Native American.


2 posted on 05/01/2012 6:06:27 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Next we will hear that her middle name is Churchill and she tried to join Banks and Means at Wounded Knee.


3 posted on 05/01/2012 6:09:55 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: Qbert

Even the Nazi’s looked only to 1/8th (or maybe to 1/16th) for proof that someone was enough Jewish to mandate death for them. As somebody said on one of the other threads, this Dimocrat claims special status because of 1/32nd But Zimmerman does not qualify for a minority status at 1/2.


4 posted on 05/01/2012 6:11:08 PM PDT by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: Qbert

This is really funny in our race obsessed culture. The only “advantage” my considerably larger Indio blood has ever gotten me is being called a damn Mexican and poor white trash on the same day. Oh well. I should have followed the career path pioneered by Ward Churchill. Nah.


5 posted on 05/01/2012 6:12:15 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Qbert

Just as she’s the philosophical mother of the OWS scum, she’s the philosophical great granddaughter of Sitting Bull. Her Indian name is Spouting Bull


6 posted on 05/01/2012 6:15:09 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Vince Ferrer

And somehow Obama escapes being called a white black person.


7 posted on 05/01/2012 6:17:27 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert
"she self-identified as Native American on forms she filled out for the Association of American Law Schools in the mid-1980s through 1994"

Claiming "Minority" status for Benefits should be prosecutable as Perpetrating a Fraud, I would think.

If the SAME tortured ancestry search could provide that one's distant relative had an ounce of black blood, we could all be "minorities", and avail ourselves of "Obama Money", right?

8 posted on 05/01/2012 6:19:18 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: South Dakota

She would have joined, but she took an arrow to the knee...


9 posted on 05/01/2012 6:22:39 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: JimSEA
This is really funny in our race obsessed culture

Yeah, the one thing nobody has any input on.

10 posted on 05/01/2012 6:23:42 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Vince Ferrer
This is interesting, because I have exactly the same percentage Cherokee ancestry as Elizabeth Warren.

At 1/32 you can't enroll yourself as a member of any legitimate tribe, even if you can prove that ancestry, and the only reason I can think of to self-identify as Native American is to claim "minority" status. I'm amazed she got away with it.

11 posted on 05/01/2012 6:24:23 PM PDT by susannah59
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To: JimSEA

My great grandfather was full blood Indian, according to my grandmother. No one in our family has ever tried to claim native American anything.


12 posted on 05/01/2012 6:24:58 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Qbert

If she’s 1/32 Cherokee, I’m 1/2 woman (but I don’t fill out my paperwork as such!)


13 posted on 05/01/2012 6:26:25 PM PDT by RagingBull (Talent does what it can; genius does what it must)
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To: Qbert

“...Warren might have taken a job another Native American could have received.”

Anyone see the irony in this ?


14 posted on 05/01/2012 6:28:50 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Qbert
Do we even know if that great-great-great-grandmother was "full-blooded" Cherokee?

Thomas Jefferson (discussing offspring of white/black relationships) said that "three crosses clear the blood" (meaning that someone who had only one black ancestor after that many generations would count as white). Not quite sure what he meant but it could mean someone with one-eighth black ancestry. Of course in reality in America someone with one-eighth black ancestry is usually considered black unless some other identity supersedes that--Native American or Hispanic. (George Zimmerman seems to be at least one-eighth black, if his "Afro-Peruvian" great-grandfather was entirely of African ancestry.) Homer Plessy was one-eighth black but was arrested for sitting in the "white" cars in public transportation in Louisiana.

A great-great-great-grandmother could be pretty far back in time. One of mine was born about 1792 and died in 1852; another was married in 1770 (I don't know her year of birth or year of death).

15 posted on 05/01/2012 6:30:58 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Qbert
This guy's crying because Elizabeth Warren is actually more indian than he is:


16 posted on 05/01/2012 6:36:58 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: South Dakota

Mr. RR is 1/4 Cherokee. But, we have never claimed the special rights and benefits that he is entitled to. Rather do it on our own efforts.

We are not foolish enough to deny the oil royalty checks we receive quarterly, however.


17 posted on 05/01/2012 6:41:09 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Qbert
1/32 is enough in one of the Cherokee bands. In another it's 1/16 and in another 1/4.

Remember, because of intermarriage with individuals in other tribes you can be 100% Indian and not actually qualify for membership in many of the tribes who might lie in your background.

What the genealogist has to do is PROVE Elzbet has an ancestor who was on the Dawes Rolls. According to the Boston Globe's full article "But he said Warren’s family is not included in the official Dawes Commission rolls, a census of major tribes completed in the early 20th century that Cherokees use to determine tribal citizenship."

Now that doesn't mean she wasn't a Cherokee ~ it just means she doesn't qualify for membership. There were well over 20,000 people who followed the Cherokee West to Oklahoma who were rejected for inclusion in the rolls by the Dawes Commission.

The observation that the woman was identified in an old document as Cherokee is suggestive of her being, at the least, an Indian of some sort, and possibly even a Cherokee. Or, she might have been a gypsy ~ or a mulatto ~ or whatever.

It would have been quite unusual for someone to identify someone as an Indian if 'white' was available.

Many amateur genealogists have come up against that problem ~ that an ancient but certainly loved ancestor was identified in the census as 'NOT WHITE' ~ not realizing that took place during a period where Indians were not even part of the census!

18 posted on 05/01/2012 6:48:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sheana

My Great Grandfather walked across the line at Naco a few years before the Cananea strike and never looked back. He was Mayo from southern Sonora so no Oklahoma oil well in my ancestry.


19 posted on 05/01/2012 6:48:44 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Qbert
Apparently Hahvid's been doin' it for years
20 posted on 05/01/2012 6:57:15 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: JimSEA

We don’t even know what kind of native American my great grandfather was. He died when my grandmother was young. He was from Kentucky and there are still a bunch of folks there with his last name so we may be able to track it. No one has ever tried very hard.


21 posted on 05/01/2012 7:07:42 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Qbert

So Obama is sixteen times more white than she is Indian


22 posted on 05/01/2012 7:19:28 PM PDT by 12chachacha
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To: Qbert

That’s funny.

She 3% indian and 97% 1%er.


23 posted on 05/01/2012 7:26:30 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: sheana

My wife is 1/16th Mohawk, fully matrilineally, which she once mentioned qualifies her as a tribal member by their reckoning (plus our daughter).

Then again, when she gets a nosebleed she’s out of the tribe....


24 posted on 05/01/2012 7:30:19 PM PDT by mikrofon (How .... interesting)
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To: Qbert
At some colleges proving one has Native American ancestry up to 1/64th qualifies for a Native American scholarship. I checked into it for a friend once. Some colleges have scholarships for Native Americans that go unclaimed yearly.
25 posted on 05/01/2012 7:30:51 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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26 posted on 05/01/2012 7:35:52 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: All

27 posted on 05/01/2012 7:36:51 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HCUA)...before there is no America!)
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To: JimSEA
This is really funny in our race obsessed culture.

Yep. It's way past time to stop this crap and go back to MLK talking about quality of character as opposed to color of skin.

From what I can see, this Warren person is a 'fail' on the character issue. It makes no difference who her g-g-g grandmother was. She's a pretender.

28 posted on 05/01/2012 7:41:54 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: dead
How dare you suggest that Giovanni Buffalo Mozzarella is not a true Native American!

Not only that, he cared about our Mother Earth as part of his Native American religion, non hai capito? His mother was, btw, famous for her three-meat meatballs, (Antelope, Bear, and Deer)

29 posted on 05/01/2012 7:47:30 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: Qbert

Probably millions of those of us descended from Americans of many generations are part Cherokee. ...more injun in me than her, but I don’t try to use it to get money. People should give up obsessions with ethnicity other than classic American identity.


30 posted on 05/01/2012 7:59:12 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

“Do we even know if that great-great-great-grandmother was “full-blooded” Cherokee?”

Good point.


31 posted on 05/01/2012 8:27:11 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Tiger Woods has 4 times as much Native American blood as does Warren, and Bruce Lee had eight times as much German blood, as she does Native American.


32 posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:30 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: muawiyah

“Or, she might have been a gypsy ~ or a mulatto ~ or whatever.”

Elizabeth Warren might be a “black” Caucasian. We know for sure she’s a stinking DemoRAT.


33 posted on 05/01/2012 9:06:23 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: vetvetdoug
I am of some Potawatomi blood. It's said my great grandfather was a full blood...but told all his kids to not claim Indian blood.

Nevertheless...my grandmother and her siblings...all "look" Indian. My mom "looks" Indian too...I do not...nor do my kids.

But we are all enrolled Potawatomi's....Both my kids took advantage of college monies from our tribe. It helped out a lot.

FWIW-

34 posted on 05/01/2012 9:32:37 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Qbert

She may be 1/32 Cherokee, but she’s 100% POS.


35 posted on 05/01/2012 11:13:01 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: muir_redwoods

[Her Indian name is Spouting Bull]

More like Shitting Bull.


36 posted on 05/01/2012 11:20:49 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: susannah59
This is interesting, because I have exactly the same percentage Cherokee ancestry as Elizabeth Warren. a

So do I, by my great-great-great grandmother. :-)

37 posted on 05/02/2012 3:55:22 AM PDT by alnick
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