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Mormon Bishop Mitt Romney’s Anti-Christian Religion
http://defendchristians.org ^ | April 13, 2012 | http://defendchristians.org

Posted on 05/01/2012 7:33:08 PM PDT by Mozilla

Many naive Americans believe that Mormonism is merely another branch of protestant Christianity. Well that’s not what the founders and leaders of Mormonism believed.

According to its founder, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young, Smith’s successor, Mormons are the only true people of God on the earth. All non-Mormons and their religions are “wrong, an abomination, blind, damned, of the devil, whores, not Christians, groveling in darkness, heathens, ignorant, devoid of fact, pagan and hatched in Hell.”

When Romney made a speech about his religion in 2008 he refused to distance himself from his faith and fully affirmed his Mormonism. Responding to critics, Romney said,

"They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs."

Romney, the father of homosexual marriage in America and abortion funding Romney Care in Massachusetts, flip-flops on virtually every issue, but he is adamant about his anti-Christian Mormonism. Romney needs the vote of Christians to win election, but he refuses to “disavow one or another of its precepts.”

Nor can anyone think Romney is merely a casual or cultural Mormon who just happened to be born Mormon. He is an active Bishop in the Mormon church hierarchy. He cannot pretend to be ignorant of the teaching of Joseph Smith and the other “prophets” of Mormonism.

Below is a list of quotes from Mormon leaders and official publications starting with Joseph Smith down to our day. The message is consistent and clear.

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To: Vendome
I’m feeling better but I’ll have rotator cuff fixed become the end of the month and probably won’t feel so hot for a week or so. LOL

Sorry to hear about that and hope you recover soon (based on the rotator cuff scale of time).

101 posted on 05/02/2012 3:43:35 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Mozilla; Elsie; All
From the article: According to its founder, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young, Smith’s successor, Mormons are the only true people of God on the earth. All non-Mormons and their religions are “wrong, an abomination, blind, damned, of the devil, whores, not Christians, groveling in darkness, heathens, ignorant, devoid of fact, pagan and hatched in Hell.” When Romney made a speech about his religion in 2008 he refused to distance himself from his faith and fully affirmed his Mormonism. Responding to critics, Romney said, "They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs."

On my previous post, I highlighted how Romney has endorsed the "faith" of his fathers...per Romney, how he "endeavors to live by it" and "be true" to those "beliefs."

So, since Mitt wants to inspire us Christians to vote for him...wooing us...I'm reminded of that one speed-dating commercial (actually a cell phone commercial) where a woman is able to quickly research on her speedy cell phone the guy's fave pick-up lines, etc...

IOW, what Mitt might say to you face-to-face is not what Mitt's "fathers" and "fathers in the faith" have taught him through the years about us Christians.

In the previous post, I mentioned Mormon leaders' Joseph Smith, George Q. Cannon, and Bruce McConkie...and I'll cite some same & additional quotes from them below so that people can glimpse a proper "survey" of Mormon leader opinions about us...

But please read to the end...so that you know then that these supposed "revelations from the Mormon god" aren't just applied to "yesteryear" Christians:

Joseph Smith himself:

Joseph Smith, Jr.: “…all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.” (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60).

Late 19th century:
George Q. Cannon, member of First Presidency with four different Lds "prophets": "AFTER the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, pg.324).

Less-than-50 years ago:

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: McConkie says all non-Mormon churches are "...the great apostate church" [that's us -- the Christian church] "as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." ("Apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "What is the church of the devil in our day, and what is the seat of her power?…It is all the systems, BOTH Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel…. It is communism, it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in ALL its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini" (Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55).

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "The church of the devil is the world; it is all the carnality and evil to which fallen man is heir; it is every unholy and wicked practice; it is every false religion, every supposed system of salvation which does not actually save and exalt man in the highest heaven of the celestial world. It is EVERY CHURCH except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:551)

Note, per Mormon doctrine, the "only true and living church on the face of the earth" is the Mormon church (D&C 1:30).

What about OFFICIAL MORMON CHURCH TEACHINGS NOW ON CHRISTIANS AND CHRISTIANITY?

WHAT ARE THEY TEACHING THEIR COLLEGE AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS NOW?

Q How do we know that the official Lds church approves of McConkie's interpretation given above?

A:

#1...he was an "apostle";
#2, the Doctrinal New Testament Commentary was cited by the official Mormon church as a commentary to 1 Nephi 14:10 for its widely distributed teachings of college students: The church of JC LDS: Seminaries and Institutes of Religion: Book of Mormon Student Manual: Chapter 4: 1Nephi 11–14: Notes and Commentary

* Note...McConkie's resource was also cited among study guides commonly used in the Mormon church as published by Cedar Fort out of Springville, Utah...in these two 2007 books:
* Randal S. Chase, Making Precious Things Plain: A Book of Mormon Study Guide: Volume 1: 1 Nephi-Alma 16 Cedar Fort, Springville, UT, 2007 p. 40
* K. Douglas Bassett, PhD, Doctrinal Insights to the Book of Mormon: Vol. 1: 1 Nephi through 2 Nephi Cedar Fort, Springville, UT 2007, pp. 62-63

Also, less than 30 years ago -- Official Lds church magazine, Ensign:
The “man of sin,” generally equated with Satan, would exalt himself over all that is divine and assume the place of God in the Church. Of historical and theological significance is the fact that in Paul’s prophecy the church structure survives. But God is not at its head, making that church—following the appearance in it of Satan—no longer the church of God....How appropriate, therefore, is Paul’s description of him sitting in the place of God in the church of the apostasía. Kent P. Jackson, Signs of the Early Apostasy, Ensign, December 1984 Signs of the Early Apostasy

This BYU professor is commenting on 2 Thess. 2:1-12 here...which Christian commentators reference as future. Lds leaders constantly reference 2 Thess. 2:1-12 as past tense -- evidence of the great apostasy...Jackson calls it a "drastic" apostasy. Lds doctrine is that it was total or all but a handful...and those handful were never "public."

Q What other Institute teachings are there about Christians currently taught to Mormon college students:
A:
* A universal [absolute world-wide] apostasy occurred...“...an absolute apostasy of the Church...” [Lds "apostle" James E. Talmage, Jesus the Christ] {See this & similar quotes here: The Apostasy [What Lds believe re: Christians: Label us 'apostates' like Islam calls us 'infidels']}

Q And what does the Lds church officially teach its high school students...?

A The “church of the devil” does not refer to a specific church but to any person, group, organization, or philosophy that works against the Church of Jesus Christ and the salvation of the children of God.
Source: Official Mormon 'Seminary' (high school) teachings on 1 Nephi 14

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Bottom-line: Per Romney and the faith he has in his faith's "fathers"...
...we Christians are supposedly "the church of the devil" if we oppose Mormonism's "you-become-a-god" scheme
Remember, an Lds "apostle" said the church of the devil is:
"...EVERY supposed system of salvation which does not actually save and exalt man in the highest heaven of the celestial world." [This is Mormon godhood]...
This Lds "apostle" added that the church of the devil "...is EVERY CHURCH except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner."
Since Mormons don't recognize any other church than theirs as the "true church" (Lds Doctrine & Covenants 1:30), this is what their Book of Mormon means when they pronounce other churches as "the church of the devil" (1 Nephi 14:9-10).

So are you so-called "devil-worshiping" Christians going to vote for the man and his faith who labels you as such??? Are you going to promote and elevate this man as a political and spiritual model to your children and grandchildren?

102 posted on 05/02/2012 3:50:14 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: presently no screen name

Sorry to disturbed you. Not my intent. (I had a point I thought might be helpful is all but I’ll drop it.) Sorry again.


103 posted on 05/02/2012 4:16:44 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (remember when "Four more years!" was a credible campaign slogan for an incumbent?)
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To: chit*chat
When was the last time I heard of a family scandal, shooting or criminal business dealing involving a Mormon?

Nebuchadnezzar; is that YOU??

I've not read one of your post's since DANIEL and his 3 buds were in the news!


There is no way for me to interpret your dream; but if you WANT to 'hear' of the things you've just described, then the fastest and easiest is to subscribe to:

Salt Lake Tribune

104 posted on 05/02/2012 4:33:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Mozilla
True but many conservatives have fundamental issues with the teaching of the Mormon religion.

Apparently; so does GOD!


 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



105 posted on 05/02/2012 4:36:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Mozilla
True but many conservatives have fundamental issues with the teaching of the Mormon religion.

Apparently; so does GOD!



KJV
Galatians 1:6-9
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 
ANYBODY???
Like this fine looking fellow???
 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15
12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 

Like THESE guys??
 
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
 


Ephesians 2:1-2
1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

106 posted on 05/02/2012 4:37:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Clintonfatigued
He didn’t force the residents of Massachusetts to join the Mormon Church when he was Governor.


I was in my early thirties when my chosen religion finally quit 'officially' bashing blacks.

Ain't my god WONDERFUL??







"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

107 posted on 05/02/2012 4:41:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Steamburg
I have seen nothing to indicate that Romney has ever acted to establish Mormonism as the State Religion.

Indeed you haven't!

But you CAN not disagree that Mitt is a DEDICATED mormon; can you?

And you WOULD not disagree that MORMONism has quite extensive expansionist plans; will you?

And you probably would not boldly make the claim, that the things that MORMONism teachs, prints and believes, would NEVER influence the way the Mr. Romney would make decisions - right??

108 posted on 05/02/2012 4:46:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RitchieAprile
agree, bigotry is most unattractive.

Indeed it IS!!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

109 posted on 05/02/2012 4:47:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RitchieAprile
agree, bigotry is most unattractive.

Indeed it IS!!!


Almost as unattractive as folks who throw out the word BIGOT in hopes of stifeling those who post things that are very uncomfortable to them.

110 posted on 05/02/2012 4:49:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
The goal of Mormonism is to dominate US politics.




...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.


Let this mind be in you that is in Joseph Smith.

Philippians 2:5
JST

111 posted on 05/02/2012 4:52:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SootyFoot2
Really??? Do they torture, behead and honor kill too????

You know they don’t.


Oh???


 

The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,
and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,
 has long been ignored, “You didn’t see the Indians beheading the Mormons.”
 
-- Historian Robert Carter

112 posted on 05/02/2012 4:54:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: chit*chat; Mozilla; Scoutmaster
When was the last time I heard of a family scandal, shooting or criminal business dealing involving a Mormon? UUmmm . . . quite awhile IF EVER. It is rare to hear of a Mormon scandal of any kind. I would like a track record of well mannered, industrious, God-fearing, successful kids like that as part of my epitaph.

I guess you don't read wide enough from various news sources, eh, Chit Chat?

2011:
* Teenager 'helped fiancé beat his ex-girlfriend to death with shovel' [Temple Mormon 19 & 18 yo as accused shovel murderers...ya gotta know that only about 15-20% of the most elite Mormons are able to get "temple recommends"]
* Gribble insanity trial jury selection begins (A REAL MORMON) [Per this article, murderer Gribble attended Sunday School as a devout Mormon...he was also an Eagle Scout...so definitely NOT of the "wild" variety] Oh...and here's an article that ran a few months later -- saying Gribble was found both sane and guilty of slashing a 42-yo nurse to death with a machete...almost also killing the woman's 11 -yo daughter...Gribble Found Guilty, Sane In Mont Vernon Murder: Judge: 'Infinity Not Enough Jail Time For You']

Perhaps, Chit Chat, you'd like to give some spiritual "testimony" about the above individuals?

Or, if not them how about other real, authentic Mormon murderers from previous years & decades like...
...Gary Gilmore & Ronnie Lee Gardner...
...or ex-Lds missionary-to-Philippines Arthur Gary Bishop...
...or how about serial killer-rapist Ted Bundy, a Mormon convert...
...or 5-time Mormon killer Glenn Taylor Helzer...
...Or ex-Lds missionary murderer to Winnipeg Mark Hacking...
...Or bomber-murderer-scammer Mark Hofmann...
...or ex-Lds missionary-to-France fugitive murderer Jason Brown...
...or 19th century murderer Porter Rockwell, one of Brigham Young's and Joseph's Smith's body guards...
...or Wild Bill Hickman, another of Young's body guards, who wrote a "tell-all" book about it...
....or the dozens to hundreds of Mormon child mass murderers/mommy&daddy mass murderers never even brought to trial for the execution-style Mountain Meadows Massacre...

I mean, Arthur Gary Bishop, Mark Hacking, and Jason Brown were all former Lds missionaries. I mean what? Do we find all kinds of murderers in the former CHRISTIAN missionary population?

(I don't think so)

113 posted on 05/02/2012 4:54:16 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: SootyFoot2
They are definitely not traditional Christians...

They definitely ARE traditional HERETICS.

114 posted on 05/02/2012 4:55:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Thumper1960
I can’t wait for the threads bashing Catholics for practicing idolatry, child sacrifice and witchcraft.

Of course!

That would allow MORMONism to slink away back into the corner.

115 posted on 05/02/2012 4:56:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Thumper1960
I can’t wait for the threads bashing Catholics...

Catholic bashing!

Right to your screen!!


  "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"
 
 (The Seer, p. 255  Orson Pratt )

116 posted on 05/02/2012 4:57:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Thumper1960
MORMONs!!


Do ANY of you repudiate the things that Orson Pratt expressed above?

118 posted on 05/02/2012 4:59:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dennisw
I will be voting for anybody but Obama and none of your trash is gonna brainwash otherwise

Only those who actively oppose truth readily dismiss it as "trash"

119 posted on 05/02/2012 5:02:08 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Now where did you get that info that you disturbed me? You just might think too much of yourself. There is nothing to be sorry about.


120 posted on 05/02/2012 5:02:08 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Hacksaw; Colofornian
You’re nuttier than a fruitcake.

Mormon or Marxist Muslim hater of America as I know it? Not a hard choice for me. Sure Romney is squishy and Mormonism is flaky. But the Kenyan is 100x worse so I know who I'll be voting for. Just compare the average Mormon to the average dedicated left wing Obama voters. I would rather have the Mormon for my next door neighbors and in my community.

121 posted on 05/02/2012 5:04:16 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Thumper1960
Let me get this straight....you’d prefer to muzzle or otherwise stifle Mormons from ‘’advertising’’ their particular strain of belief and purify the marketplace of ideas?

You need some more of this:

It appears that you’d prefer to muzzle or otherwise stifle Bible believing CHRISTIANS from ‘’advertising’’ the facts of MORMONism. The things it is FOUNDED upon; the things it has PUBLISHED and the things that it TEACHES.

Is that a correct assessment of the situtation?

122 posted on 05/02/2012 5:04:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Mozilla
Lies, lies, and damm lies. Out of context. stop being lazy and do REAL. investigation
124 posted on 05/02/2012 5:08:35 AM PDT by WilliamRobert
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To: faithhopecharity
I believe that most of the policies you object to are not taught or supported by the LDS/Mormon church.

Have you any evidence that would support this 'belief'?

You typed 'most'.

Could you state which ones, you believe ARE supported or taught?

125 posted on 05/02/2012 5:15:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JustTheTruth
Basically nonsense.

I agree whole hearthedly!!

--MormonDude(Just affirming The Truth.)

126 posted on 05/02/2012 5:17:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
Mormonism is not pro life, and not anti-gay.

I'm a MORMON ...
 
 
 

http://www.affirmation.org/

127 posted on 05/02/2012 5:18:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Dagnabitt
Mormons “promoted” homosexuality by funding Proposition 8 against gay marriage in California?

What you 'see' is not always what you 'get' with MORMONism.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

128 posted on 05/02/2012 5:20:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: jonrick46
We can lead others away from eternal death to eternal life with God after our human death.

Whoa!

You may want to re-type this!

When I first read it; it sounded like a MORMON advertising their Dead Dunking ritual!

129 posted on 05/02/2012 5:22:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: gusty
Your friend sounds like a real jerk.

Galatians 4:16

Can it be that I have become your enemy for telling you the truth?

130 posted on 05/02/2012 5:25:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: gusty

131 posted on 05/02/2012 5:29:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Thumper1960
... he is simply a man and kissing his ring is ritual that has no Biblical basis, except to elevate and equate a flesh and blood man with the risen and living Christ Jesus.


 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

132 posted on 05/02/2012 5:31:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: gusty
Wouldn’t it be ironic that after we drop dead we find out everybody was way off.

Won't it be tragic when MORMONs find out their 'prophets' had LIED to them?

133 posted on 05/02/2012 5:33:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw

Just courteous why are you afraid of Christians?


I don’t necessarily believe that all evangelicals are Christians or different from most cults. I don’t have a problem with faith. I do have a problem with “religious” organizations that preach that they are the only path to faith. Mormons do that too, but at least they have been able to keep their religion running for more than the career of one preacher.


134 posted on 05/02/2012 5:36:44 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: GladesGuru
Y’all are a bunch of cheapskate heathens - and don’t think I haven’t noticed you have failed to send in your tithes.

Number 10


 

Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

MORMONs are SO lame...

HOW lame ARE they?

Mormons are SO lame; that only about 15% or so choose to answer these questions correctly.

Too bad for them, since their Forever Family® will be spending eternity without them, as they mere get to LOOK into the highest level of MORMON heaven, and not actually ever GO there!

135 posted on 05/02/2012 5:38:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GladesGuru
But I do know how to search Google.

And mormons know how to PLAY Google®!

136 posted on 05/02/2012 5:40:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Thumper1960
If you’re going to lambaste cults, be intellectually honest and include all of them, even the one based in ole imperial Rome.

Why?

MORMONism only picked on one: CHRISTIANITY. (Ref reply #109)

CAn we not do as IT has done?

We NEVER see any MORMONs on FR 'exposing' the wrongs of Bhuddism, Wiccans, Jehovah Witnesses, ETAL.

I wonder why that is?

137 posted on 05/02/2012 5:45:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: gusty
I guess my problem is that I personally do not care what someones believes in the realm of religion.

Then why are you on this thread?

138 posted on 05/02/2012 5:46:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: gusty
Maybe his style works in Napoleon Dynamite land, but in Soprano land we’re I live, the girl would have kicked his ass.

Tina; ya fat lard! Eat the FOOD!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=c2glOppqBRg&feature=endscreen

139 posted on 05/02/2012 5:49:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: gusty
There is only one way to find out, and I can wait a few decades to find out.

And you are betting your eternal soul that you are right?

Gutsy, indeed!

140 posted on 05/02/2012 5:51:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: gusty
And you are betting your eternal soul that you are right?

“The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet.”

141 posted on 05/02/2012 5:53:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“I don’t like Mitt Romney, but this article has nothing to do with it. He didn’t force the residents of Massachusetts to join the Mormon Church when he was Governor.”

You have a point there. In fact he sent them further to hell by promoting the homo agenda and abortion.


142 posted on 05/02/2012 5:54:37 AM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Thumper1960
I didn’t mention the ‘’ethnic cleansing’’ by slaughtering gnostics all over the place and the book bannings and burnings to ensure only the proper and useful writings and gospels were included in the Rome New Testament.

Did you know that certain books, praised and used for decades by MORMON faithful; have now become rejected?

143 posted on 05/02/2012 5:55:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut

...but if not...


144 posted on 05/02/2012 5:56:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: chit*chat
It is rare to hear of a Mormon scandal of any kind.

Sounds like you've been listening to the right stuff!

145 posted on 05/02/2012 6:00:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dennisw; Jim Robinson
This site is full of paid Democrat operatives...

Get that list to Jim; QUICK!

146 posted on 05/02/2012 6:02:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dennisw
You are entering the Twilight Zone.



147 posted on 05/02/2012 6:03:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
WHAT ARE THEY TEACHING THEIR COLLEGE AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS NOW?


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


148 posted on 05/02/2012 6:07:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RitchieAprile
Back in FR again after a short hiatus. Lurker since 1998, have been a member under other aliases since 2004.

Zotted?

149 posted on 05/02/2012 6:10:18 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: dennisw
You have been dumping on Mormonism for years here.

HALLELUJAH!

150 posted on 05/02/2012 6:11:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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