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Mormon Bishop Mitt Romney’s Anti-Christian Religion
http://defendchristians.org ^ | April 13, 2012 | http://defendchristians.org

Posted on 05/01/2012 7:33:08 PM PDT by Mozilla

Many naive Americans believe that Mormonism is merely another branch of protestant Christianity. Well that’s not what the founders and leaders of Mormonism believed.

According to its founder, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young, Smith’s successor, Mormons are the only true people of God on the earth. All non-Mormons and their religions are “wrong, an abomination, blind, damned, of the devil, whores, not Christians, groveling in darkness, heathens, ignorant, devoid of fact, pagan and hatched in Hell.”

When Romney made a speech about his religion in 2008 he refused to distance himself from his faith and fully affirmed his Mormonism. Responding to critics, Romney said,

"They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs."

Romney, the father of homosexual marriage in America and abortion funding Romney Care in Massachusetts, flip-flops on virtually every issue, but he is adamant about his anti-Christian Mormonism. Romney needs the vote of Christians to win election, but he refuses to “disavow one or another of its precepts.”

Nor can anyone think Romney is merely a casual or cultural Mormon who just happened to be born Mormon. He is an active Bishop in the Mormon church hierarchy. He cannot pretend to be ignorant of the teaching of Joseph Smith and the other “prophets” of Mormonism.

Below is a list of quotes from Mormon leaders and official publications starting with Joseph Smith down to our day. The message is consistent and clear.

(Excerpt) Read more at defendchristians.org ...


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To: reaganaut; drunknsage
Now, would you actually address the similarities between Mormonism and Islam or are you just going to slink away and live in your ignorance?

Bridges of faith between mormons and muslims

351 posted on 05/03/2012 9:16:26 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: svcw

And the real question is your interpretation of both “Biblical Jesus” and “Mormonism” accurate? Are they really mutually exclusive? What is included in the “modern Bible”, the King James, the Orthodox, the Holy Roman and many others may or may not be the way if we pick at their differences. I didn’t find the answer for me in the book of Mormon (a companion text to the Bible), but I didn’t find it to be anti-Christian either. Mormons are certainly not the first to want to apply their own flavor to the way.
As I have said before, Faith is not the problem; preachers on the other hand, I’m not so sure.
Christ paid in full for our sins. All we have to do is accept that gift from our Savior. The rest is how we feed that relationship. In the end it is what is in our hearts not the edicts or interpretations of a church that matters.


352 posted on 05/03/2012 9:33:59 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: betty boop; xzins; reaganaut

IIRC when Romney ran for Senate, he ran to the LEFT of Ted Kennedy. Romney is merely a pale version of Obama. Obama may actually pretend to be more Conservative than Romney once the election cycle begins. Obama is trying to compare himself with Reagan. Obama and Romney will be fighting each other for the progressive liberal votes.

A pox on both their houses. Virgil Goode for President. A true conservative. Accept no fraudulent substitutes.


353 posted on 05/03/2012 10:05:50 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: Mozilla

There was a day on FR when a thread like this would be pulled. Now that FR has become a Romney-bashing bastion, anti-mormon threads are rampant. Too bad.


354 posted on 05/03/2012 10:11:08 AM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Steamburg
PLURAL MARRIAGE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS ONLY- OBEDIENCE IMPERATIVE-BLESSINGS RESULTING DISCOURSE

BY ELDER JOSEPH F. SMITH,

(Delivered in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Sunday Morning, July 7, 1878.) (Reported by Geo. F. Gibbs.) 20:24

"All men must obtain salvation upon their own merits, for by our works shall we be judged, and by them justified or condemned."

Link

355 posted on 05/03/2012 10:27:03 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: betty boop; xzins; P-Marlowe
Thank you all for sharing your insights and intentions concerning Romney!

In my view, his choice of a running mate will be his first opportunity to evidence his professed conservatism, which of course followed his liberal record as governor. If he is serious, he'll pick an outspoken firebrand of a conservative like Palin was to McCain.

Even so, high profile conservative Republicans must hold their noses and embrace the Eleventh Commandment popularized by Reagan to get out the vote to defeat Obama even in the non-liberal dominated states - ones a true conservative could take for granted. The convention may be telling.


356 posted on 05/03/2012 10:53:36 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe

I will not vote for Romney, my dear Christian Sister A-G, even if he has St Peter as his running mate.

A real conservative is available to conservatives:

Vote for Goode Not Evil (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil)

Virgil Goode for President

Goode on the issues: http://www.ontheissues.org/VA/Virgil_Goode.htm


357 posted on 05/03/2012 11:00:37 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: Blowtorch; Colofornian; greyfoxx39

Threads exposing Mormonism have been here LONG before Romney ran last time for POTUS. This isn’t a new thing at all.

Now, however, Freepers have started to realize that Mormons are not what they claim (Christians).

Both sides are allowed free speech.


358 posted on 05/03/2012 11:27:53 AM PDT by reaganaut (I am a Christian first, a Conservative second and am out of the GOP if Romney gets in.)
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To: reaganaut

I’ve been wondering if he could put his hand on a King James version at a swearing-in event.


359 posted on 05/03/2012 11:31:20 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: Alamo-Girl

Dear sister in Christ,

I cannot, as a Christian, ever vote for Romney. Fist, his record of being pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. Second, his Mormonism. I used to be Mormon and I know too much about it. I will not support evil, either Romney or Obama, nor will I support a man who usurps the office of Christ (High Priest after the order of Melchizedek), believes he will become a God of his own universe, believes my beloved Savior didn’t have to die to pay for sin and is the spirit brother of Satan. I cannot do it. The lesser of two evils is still evil. I must vote my conscience and stand on my faith not sell it out for political gain or compromise.

Mitt’s Mormonism shows he has no discernment.

I have worked in ministry to Mormons for almost 20 years now, how can I stand against their heresies and at the same time vote for one of them for the highest office in the land?

I agree Obama is an abomination, but Romney is no better. The Eleventh Commandment is from Ronald Reagan, not God.

I will be voting for Virgil Goode as well.


360 posted on 05/03/2012 11:34:37 AM PDT by reaganaut (I am a Christian first, a Conservative second and am out of the GOP if Romney gets in.)
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To: IM2MAD

Probably, but only if it is ‘translated correctly’ (Mormons do not believe the Bible is trustworthy).


361 posted on 05/03/2012 11:37:07 AM PDT by reaganaut (I am a Christian first, a Conservative second and am out of the GOP if Romney gets in.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; xzins; reaganaut; Blowtorch; betty boop; LS; P-Marlowe; Steamburg; greyfoxx39; All
In my view, his choice of a running mate will be his FIRST opportunity to evidence his professed conservatism, which of course followed his liberal record as governor.

I think you have summed up better in one sentence the sad situation the GoP is in -- summed up better than almost anyone could possibly do so. [And you not have even realized it!]

How sad is it that the GoP is about to nominate someone who has yet to show a single scintella of evidence (beyond word-games) that he is indeed conservative?

362 posted on 05/03/2012 11:44:56 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Mozilla

So the solution is to support the heretics at Trinity UNITARIAN Church of Christ?


363 posted on 05/03/2012 11:45:30 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Jeff Head; betty boop
You probably have a lot more knowledge about how Romney governed than most here unless they too lived through it...perhaps like how he was really INCAPABLE of appointing conservative Judges since the DNC panel there had all the power.

Well, that's rather strange, Jeff...If Romney was totally incapacitated from bringing forth ANY conservative judges in MA, please tell us: How did he get nine Republicans thru, then? Surely at least some of those nine Republicans were "conservative" -- were they not?

Or, are you trying to tell us ALL NINE Republican judges were NOT conservative??? That Romney was so anemic & weak as an exec Gov that he was incapacitated from even landing one conservative judge?

And if so, what does that then tell us about...
...Romney's week-kneed behind-the-scenes capacity to govern executively?
...or his penchant for picking liberal Republicans for everything right-down-the-line?

...And, are you telling us to expect this same conservative shutout pattern when he picks his VP, his Cabinet, and all derived bureaucratic lackeys under him???

An incapacitated Republican who can't handle Democrats even to bat 1 or 2-for-36 vs. the Dems...(Yeah, that's what we Republicans need in the White House... /sarc)

364 posted on 05/03/2012 12:00:20 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: rmlew; Mozilla
So the solution is to support the heretics at Trinity UNITARIAN Church of Christ?

(Obama doesn't go there anymore; therefore your comment might be worth discussing in more depth if there was, say, an equal-level comparison here -- such as if Romney was ex- Mormon...but he's not...Romney has held several positions of "calling" within the Mormon church...the public has a right to vet that just as the MSM would have made sure of the same thing had Huckabee won in 2008...Huckabee being a former-church pastor)

365 posted on 05/03/2012 12:06:06 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Jeff Head; betty boop; All
We both know that Romney was no real conservative in his governance of Mass...but he was better than the alternatives, and IMHO, he did modify and lessen what would have been even worse there. But that is my opinion...I wasn’t there.

Jeff, if you make it to heaven based upon a true relationship with the true Christ who died for your sin nature as well as your personal sins, then you be sure to express your above sentiments to all the MA pre-borns dismembered from 2007 on via taxpayer-funded monies under RomneyCare.

(I'm sure they'll each express relief that the Bay State dismemberment rate could have been worse.)

I guess, Jeff, what I truly don't understand -- and perhaps you can enlighten us -- how it is that a Mormon like Romney...somebody who truly believes that Heavenly Father and his wife gave precious spirit-birth to a spirit-entity near Kolob...lived with them..."raised" them to some degree...sent them to earth to inhabit a body...and then that body is chopped up in some abortion mill...and Romney not only sanctions that, but ensures that citizens like Betty's tax $ has gone toward paying for that!

Betty, how does that feel -- knowing that your tax revenue has directly suction-vacuumed baby body parts out of women? [Seek link @ end for details]

Jeff, when I look @ that Lds doctrine, I'd always thought that Lds -- of all religious people -- would be as much "pro-life" as anybody...and yet your leaders allow for multiple exceptions...including if the Mormon god "tells" you to abort via prayer.

So, not only is Romney's track record horrific on this, but I don't think I can begin to express my disappointment when presumed pro-lifers like yourself make statements such as the one above...without realizing how that comes across re: the taxpayer-funded body count forever accumulating in MA.

Jeff, Betty, all, please review this: RomneyCare Now Funding FREE Abortions: A Disqualifier for Mitt Romney’s Candidacy [Enabler Mitt]

366 posted on 05/03/2012 12:18:49 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Jeff Head; betty boop; All
We all wish a more conservative candidate was going to be our nomineee...but Romney is running on much diffent campaign promises now than what he did in Mass, and I believe he will keep those commitments if elected...

Jeff, I've got this available land on a planet near Kolob. Good commuter territory. (Interested?)

Seriously, for a moment...

I'd like for you to explain how this statement that Mitt told Katie Couric, December 2007 -- about a year into his "pro-life" campaign from the previous run -- is "different" from how he governed in MA???

Couric: So what kind of embryos - embryos that are created for procreation and then would be discarded? Are those the ones that you feel are perfectly fine from which to cull cells for stem cell research?

Romney: Yes, those embryos that are referred to commonly as surplus embryos from in-vitro fertilization. Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a PARENT decides they would want to DONATE ONE OF THOSE EMBRYOS FOR PURPOSES of RESEARCH, in my view, that's acceptable."

Source: Candidates Reveal Their Biggest Mistakes.

Any of you "parents" want to "donate" one of your offspring that the Creator has provided to you for "research" purposes? Mitt the supposed "pro-lifer" is "A-OK" with that morally and otherwise.

And then Mitt takes us for being stupid, insulting our intelligence, that we somehow won't notice this gaping discrepancy between what he says to the MSM and what he tells gullible GOPers, pro-life independents & Dems???

I guess Obama should start telling us as he is just as "pro-life" as Romney is -- and we should as gullible "conservatives" just take that nonsense at face value as well, eh???

Well, wait a minute...Obama probably is as "pro-life" as Mitt Romney is!!!!

At least that link in my last post gives us a good indicator there!

367 posted on 05/03/2012 12:33:39 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: reaganaut

What will happen to America in the interim then? Romney is not yet the nominee. This has yet to be decided...


368 posted on 05/03/2012 12:38:10 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Our best hope is a contested convention. Anyone know of any protests planned for Tampa?


369 posted on 05/03/2012 12:43:42 PM PDT by reaganaut (I am a Christian first, a Conservative second and am out of the GOP if Romney gets in.)
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To: reaganaut
What a hero. Your "conscience" will allow Barak Hussein Obama four more years. Such lofty, Bible-driven principles. Obviously there's nothing your "conscience" is willing to stand up for. All great warriors sit down and refuse to fight until they are assured of the purity of their leaders.

"I shall do the same". Then I shall fight in your place while you wait for a more deserving leader. I shall now take my beautiful dogs for a run. They deserve it because they aren't Mormons.

370 posted on 05/03/2012 1:00:00 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Such lofty, Bible-driven principles. Obviously there’s nothing your “conscience” is willing to stand up for.

- - — -
It is exactly because I have Bible driven principles and will stand for them and stand by my conscience that I will never vote for Romney. My God matters more than politics.

You don’t know squat about Mormonism do you?

I’m not asking for the PERFECT candidate, just a conservative one who isn’t a lying socialist scumbag like Mitt. I supported Bachmann, Cain, Newt and Santorum - all with flaws, but I cannot support Romney. To do so would be hypocritical and contrary to my faith.

I’m sorry you have no such faith to stand on.


371 posted on 05/03/2012 1:19:30 PM PDT by reaganaut (I am a Christian first, a Conservative second and am out of the GOP if Romney gets in.)
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To: Colofornian; betty boop
The Church's stand against abortion is well documented.

Here is my onw:

THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST

I've had this position my whole life, from parents who shared it. Took my young children to protest at abortion mills in California when we lived there.

Colo, please try for once and not make eveything some kind of Mormon agenda, or LDS Conspiracy.

Your attempts seem much more oriented towards abject condescending statement, belittling, making fun of, and vitriol rather than they are Christian love and compassion.

You'll always attract more people to speak with you and to listen to you if you try Christ-like love and compassion...honey rather than the vinegar you throw at virtually every conversation.

Anyhow, I've often said I would never have done what Romney did to win in Mass, I could not justify such compromise to win an election, even if it was the law of the land.

But he did...and now he says he's changed. I hope and pray we are given the chance to find out as opposed to the sure thing, and much worse, that Obama represents. But that is simply my opinion.

372 posted on 05/03/2012 1:26:26 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: reaganaut

Haha! You’re not “stand”ing on ANYTHING. You’re sitting and whining while everyone else fights the battle. Don’t even try the “My God matters more than politics” excuse. At what point did God say, “Allow a great evil to flourish if you can’t find a pure vessel to lead you.” Don’t blame God because of your weakness. I’m just as sure he’ll spew you out of his mouth.


373 posted on 05/03/2012 1:28:55 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Steamburg

To your last point - that is not mormonism


374 posted on 05/03/2012 1:43:21 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Steamburg

It might serve you well to actually learn about mormonism before you defend it as not being anti-Christian.


375 posted on 05/03/2012 1:47:32 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

I can guarantee that we differ on the definition of Christian and on most things about Christianity. Informing me about what I do and don’t know is proof.


376 posted on 05/03/2012 1:52:19 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Steamburg
Based on your last point in the previous reply. I can say with certainty you know nothing about mormonism-it’s very foundation is anti-Christian.
377 posted on 05/03/2012 3:03:04 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Deb; reaganaut

At what point did God say, “Allow a great evil to flourish if you can’t find a pure vessel to lead you.”
________________________________________________

Exactly

God would not tell anyone to vote for Willard Mitt Romney...

Instead God tells us to flee the very appearance of evil...

Willie Mitty stands for the evils of murder and immorality


378 posted on 05/03/2012 5:20:08 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Steamburg

I really don’t see how someone can read the Book of Mormon and consider it to be anti-Christian. The whole purpose of the Book of Mormon is to persuade readers to believe in Christ and rely on Him for salvation.


379 posted on 05/03/2012 5:38:19 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Jeff Head; Colofornian

You’ll always attract more people to speak with you and to listen to you if you try Christ-like love and compassion...honey rather than the vinegar you throw at virtually every conversation.
__________________________________________

Mormon I’m glad you mentioned the Christian God, the LORD Jesus Christ...

and told Colofornian to use Jesus as his example...

The LORD Jesus Christ didnt use the honey of persuasive lies

He used the vinegar of TRUTH when He spoke...

He wasnt afraid of people...

He used a whip to beat and drive the money changers and thieves out of His temple..

He didnt give them a cup of tea and scones and tell them its OK...

NO !!!!

THe LORD Jesus Christ is God Almighty and He is sick of the cult of Mormonism and the other harbingers of Baal and Molech persecuting His people the Christians...

The LORD Jesus Christ built His church, His Bride 2,000 years ago and she is still going strong today...

He promised that the very gates of Hell could not defeat her and He kept that promise...

He has protected and succured His Bride for 2,000 years

and has not lost her, misplaced her, had her stolen or destroyed...

There is only one TRUE CHURCH and she is the one whom the LORD Jesus Christ Himself built with His own Blood upon the Cross...

The LORD Jesus Christ said to Jeff,” I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by Me.” John 14:6...

There is no other way to God the Father...

and because Colofornian speaks the truth about who God is FReepers listen and appreciate who he has to say...

Colofornian my dear brother in Christ...Thank you


380 posted on 05/03/2012 5:41:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Deb
"What a hero. Your "conscience" will allow Barak Hussein Obama four more years. Such lofty, Bible-driven principles. Obviously there's nothing your "conscience" is willing to stand up for. All great warriors sit down and refuse to fight until they are assured of the purity of their leaders."

Mittgotry!

Mitt-got-ry: [mitt-guh-tree]
noun, plural -ries.

1. the belief that acceptance of a candidate’s commitment to a cult should be imposed on someone else's personal religious freedom of expression and practice
2. or imposed on another's personal values
3. or as a standard imposed on an individual's vote

No sale.

Apparently, you will be pulling the lever to vote for a candidate who promoted the killing of babies, enshrined that action into law through government mandates, paid for it with taxpayers money, endorsed the destruction of marriage and attacked the 2nd Amendment.

Before you pull the lever, you better wipe it off carefully.

Good luck, even though we do not agree.

381 posted on 05/03/2012 6:09:26 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Jeff Head
Colo, please try for once and not make eveything some kind of Mormon agenda, or LDS Conspiracy.

You're responding to post #366. In that post, I didn't use the word "conspiracy" or hint at it...And if you want to read the word "conspiracy" into anything I said in that post, then if anything, Mormons -- of all people -- should have a "conspiracy of life."

Why?

Well, for the same reason Lds tend to have larger families.

Lds believe they are accommodating spirits from another planetary or star system.

Hence, it's on the exact same grounds -- the grounds that Mormons tend to be "pro-child" in welcoming additional members to their family -- that you would think if there was a "conspiracy" involved here...that it would be a positive cultural one...IOW a "safe landing" from yonderville.

There may be that widely @ the Mormon grassroots level. It's not there with the General Authority policy.

You're not an autotron, are you, Jeff? You do have the ability to critique a negative policy set forth by your leaders, don't you?

382 posted on 05/03/2012 8:04:16 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Normandy

I guess it’s the whole Christians are whores of Babylon and abomination that makes Christians know Mormonism is anti/Christian


383 posted on 05/03/2012 8:31:14 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Deb; Tennessee Nana; ansel12; Colofornian; presently no screen name; Jim Robinson

You’re sitting and whining while everyone else fights the battle

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No, I am voting my conscience. I never said I was going to stay home. I’m working outside the GOP now. I am no longer a republican because of Romney.

YOU are the one allowing evil to flourish by voting for Romney, not me.

You think I am weak because I am standing on my principles and not voting for a liberal with an R after their name? You are crazy. You aren’t fighting a battle, you are caving in to the liberals! YOU, not me, are supporting abortion, gay marriage, gun control by voting for Romney. I’m not. I’m most likely voting for Virgil Goode, the Constitution party candidate - he not only shares my beliefs, I can vote with a clear conscience and he doesn’t believe he will become a god.

Where did I say I was looking for a ‘pure vessel’? You are bearing false witness (a sin btw) against me I supported almost every other GOP candidate - Bachman, Santorum, Newt and Cain. None of them are perfect, but they are at least somewhat conservative - Romney isn’t

Romney isn’t even close to ‘not perfect’ - the guy is a lying scumbag. That isn’t weakness, that is strength of conviction. You are the coward, not me.


384 posted on 05/03/2012 8:35:29 PM PDT by reaganaut (I am a Christian first, a Conservative second and am out of the GOP if Romney gets in.)
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To: Jeff Head; reaganaut; All
Your attempts seem much more oriented towards abject condescending statement, belittling, making fun of, and vitriol rather than they are Christian love and compassion.

Oh, sure, Jeff. And you paying others to slander all Christians is I suppose "kum-ba-yah ecumenicalism," eh?

What do I mean...???

Allow me to give an Lds primer here for thread posters & lurkers: The typical Lds philosophy we hear essentially bottoms out at: "Speak softly and carry a big Pearl of Great Price stick" [I suppose when you include 1 Nephi 14:9-10 & D&C 1:30...it goes beyond the Pearl of Great Price...but I'll leave that for another day to discuss]

Definition of a 'big Pearl of Great Price stick':
"You Christian sects are 100% "wrong";
100% "apostates";
100% creedally putrid [literal meaning of the Mormon god's description of "abomination"];
100% "corrupt" as believers...
...Signed: Cordially, your "nice" Mormon neighbor
P.S. "Of course, we'll be polite & use Lds missionary doorstep language like 'universal apostasy' instead of pointing our fingers right @ you..."
"...and we'll fund the outer darkness out of hundreds of different Pearl of Great Price translations which mention ALL of the above...so our 'big stick' will seem once-removed..."
"...But make no mistake about it, we've sent out literally over 1 million Lds missionaries who've carried this 'Big Stick' around the world!!!"

Jeff, I'd imagine you could be the nicest guy in the world to me if we property neighbors. Unfortunately, your wallet and bank account have spoken much louder.

Question: Have you stopped tithing to the Lds church? Or have you told SLC HQ to no longer use your tithe or gifts to go for the re-publishing of the Pearl of Great Price?

Jeff, you could add ALL of the Flying Inman comments together...they could never match the output of the negative slander or PR value of what Lds, Inc or even Lds.org has...We don't even come close to their manpower or budget...and you're somehow concerned about a few arrows?

Lds, Inc. slanders Christians 24/7 on the Web site alone -- not including Deseret Publishing, its newspaper, KSL.com, curricula published, General Conference and other spoken messages, BYU-TV, etc. etc.

Let me give you an example: Go here to the Home Page of the Ksl.com religion page and scroll down (right side): MSNBC Religion Headlines: N. Korea detains American missionary Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:45:40 GMT Police: Pa. pastor shoots son during fight Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:40:08 GMT

Mormon-church owned KSL.com has left this Christian pastor shooting-his-son-story up now on the Home page of its religion section now since Dec. 27, 2009...That's over 850 days!!!...Are you going to tell us, Jeff, that this is still "newsworthy" per your Mormon leadership to be there???

That's not condescending?

Is that some kind of "olive leaf" extension by the Mormon church? Maybe I missed something in its symbolism?

Jeff, if you're looking for splinters, I have them. Point them out all you want. I speak truth and I also imbed opinions influenced by that truth, and I encourage others to hand it back my way, too.

All I encourage you to do then -- based upon your comment here -- is to be fair about it...don't just point fingers at me if you don't like "negative" stuff...be consistent...call KSL tomorrow and ask them why they're shooting for 1,000 days or more to link that story about a pastor shooting his son on the Home page of its religion section.

KSL has every right to highlight that event til Jesus returns. (I'm not as bothered by truth-telling as you seem to be)...But if YOU don't like what you think is an unnecessary, uncalled for religious negativity, then start with your own religious backyard.

Will you do that? Or is it just easier to verbally shoot @ Christians just 'cause we're Christians and you may not want to dare say anything negative about "the brethren?"

Also be fair...tell us Joseph Smith was off-base...off-kilter when he regularly damned other religionists to hell, even going so far to say "...they cannot escape the damnation of hell":

"But say you, What will become of the world, or the various professors of religion who do not believe in revelation & the oracles of God as continued to His Church in all ages of the world, when He has a people on earth? I tell you, in the name of Jesus Christ, they will be damned; and when you get into the eternal world, you will find it will be so, they cannot escape the damnation of hell." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 272)

"Compare this principle once with Christendom at the present day, and where are they, with all their boasted religion, piety, and sacredness while at the same time they are crying out against prophets, apostles, angels, revelations, prophesying and visions, etc. Why, they are just ripening for the damnation of hell. They will be damned, for they reject the most glorious principle of the Gospel of Jesus Christ...Yes, I say, such will be damned, with all their professed godliness." (TPJS, pp. 298-299)

You see, by your silence, you tell us that you "Amen!" Joseph on these comments. And if YOU don't like the obvious negativity of your leaders, then it's up to YOU to either distance yourself from them...or stop worrying about my backyard if you can't equally address your own.

385 posted on 05/03/2012 8:37:42 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: reaganaut; Deb

Bachman, Santorum, Newt and Cain.
_________________________________

I too probably could have voted for any one of them in Nov

Isnt it odd that the MittTwit claims we’re the ones looking for a “pure vessel”

when for months the abortion king Willie Mitty had attack ads against Newt damning him because he was supposedly less than pure

Now who is it again who was judging for pureness ???

What hypocracy...


386 posted on 05/03/2012 9:07:04 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: reaganaut

No, but if Romney doesn’t win on the first round, the delegates are free to vote for whom they choose...


387 posted on 05/03/2012 9:45:07 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sheik yerbouty

And that is our last hope.


388 posted on 05/04/2012 6:23:23 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Good point, and furthermore all the others recognize themselves as sinners, Mitt thinks he is the ‘pure vesssel’ and sinless and not just politically either.


389 posted on 05/04/2012 6:26:57 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Jeff Head; Colofornian

The Church’s stand against abortion is well documented.

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Sorry Jeff, the ALLOWANCES for abortion is well stated. Check out the CoHI.

People assume Mormons are pro-life because they have a lot of kids and generally oppose birth control for that reason.
However, rather than having kids because they believe life begins at conception and being genuinely pro-life, it is because their theology teaches that their job is to provide bodies for God’s spirit children who are waiting to come down and ‘work out their Salvation’. These spirit children cannot progress to godhood if they don’t have bodies and the best of them should be born to Mormon families where they grow up in ‘the Church’ and know the right doctrines rather than risk them not converting.

Officially the LDS have no statement about when the spirit enters the body, but most of my LDS friends believe it is at birth or shortly before, so abortion isn’t THAT big of a deal, because the spirit child will get another chance to get a body.

Abortion...according to their ‘handbook of instructions’ abortion is ok in several cases, the usual health of the mother, rape or incest, but also in cases of emotional health of mother (too much stress). Basically it states it is ok as long as approached with prayer. Many people think the LDS have a lot of kids because they are pro-life, rather they do so out of duty to bring God and Heavenly Mother’s ‘spirit children’ to earth to ‘progress’ and earn their ‘exaltation’ (godhood). There is no statement from the LDS church that life begins at conception and many LDS believe that an aborted child will be given another chance to get a body.
It is also allowed if “The fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.”
We have no revelation on abortion”
Didn’t you assume Mormons were pro-life? That’s certainly the image their church attempts to broadcast, and most Mormons, in fact, mistakenly believe their church opposes abortion and regards it as an objective evil. But not so.
Indeed, the Mormon church accepts abortion for a number of reasons. The Church Handbook of Instructions, approved in September, 1998, states that abortion may be performed in the following circumstances: pregnancy resulting from rape or incest; a competent physician says the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy; or a competent physician says that the “fetus” has severe defects that will not allow the “baby” to survive beyond birth. In any case, the persons responsible must first consult with their church leader and receive God’s approval in prayer (156).
This same Handbook, the official policies of the Mormon church to be followed by all local church leaders throughout the world, also claims: “It is a fact that a child has life before birth. However, there is no direct revelation on when the spirit enters the body” (156). Previous teachings by former Mormon prophets referred to the unborn child as “a child,” “a baby,” a “human being,” and decried abortion as “killing,” “a grievous sin,” “a damnable practice.” Spencer W. Kimball, the prophet who died in 1985, taught, “We have repeatedly affirmed the position of the church in unalterably opposing all abortions” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 189).
It appears that this “unalterable” position, constantly “affirmed,” is just another in a series of doctrinal and moral teachings that Mormons have reworded, reworked, rescinded, or reneged—though never officially renounced. Such is the quality of the Mormon belief in “continuing revelation.” Don’t expect dogmatic or ethical consistency. Rather, look for expediency and conformity with “the times.”
A further statement in the Handbook says: “The church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion (156).” While the Mormon prophet claims to speak the mind and will of God, he can neither figure out when the unborn child becomes human or if it is God’s desire that we protect the unborn unconditionally.
Your Mormon friend will offer the excuse that his church leaves many decisions to the free agency (free will) of its people, and that abortion is one such concern. You might point out the irony in the fact that the Mormon church has no hesitation or uncertainty in making the following declarations:
1. “The church opposes gambling in any form” (including lotteries). Members are also urged to oppose legislation and government sponsorship of any form of gambling (Handbook, 150).
2. The church also opposes [correctly, of course] pornography in any form (158).
3. Church members are to reject all efforts to legally authorize or support same-sex unions (158).
There is no need for a member to pray for divine guidance or seek church approval for such activities, for there will be no divine or ecclesiastical finessing of morality to permit even an occasional bingo game. A prayerful game of poker, unrepented, will bar the member from the temple and ultimate salvation; a prayerful, by-the-book abortion, unrepented [abortion], won’t.


390 posted on 05/04/2012 6:32:30 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: reaganaut
The official position is available on LDS.ORG for all to see. It states the following:

Abortion

Human life is a sacred gift from God. Elective abortion for personal or social convenience is contrary to the will and the commandments of God. Church members who submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions may lose their membership in the Church.

Additional Information

In today's society, abortion has become a common practice, defended by deceptive arguments. Latter-day prophets have denounced abortion, referring to the Lord's declaration, "Thou shalt not . . . kill, nor do anything like unto it" (D&C 59:6). Their counsel on the matter is clear: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints must not submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion. Church members who encourage an abortion in any way may be subject to Church discipline.

Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer.

When a child is conceived out of wedlock, the best option is for the mother and father of the child to marry and work toward establishing an eternal family relationship. If a successful marriage is unlikely, they should place the child for adoption, preferably through LDS Family Services (see "Adoption").

My own feeling is that when the life of the mother or baby have to be decided upon, then the mother, father, doctor and their religious leader (pastor, priest, bishop, etc.) should make the call, the final decision being that of the mother. Not the government.

I believe that in rape or incest or in "emotional" or "mental" health circumstances abortions should not be performed. The baby should be born and then adopted out.

In 99% of the cases within the church, this is the council. I have been involved in it and know from my own experience.

391 posted on 05/04/2012 6:46:32 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Colofornian; xzins; reaganaut

Thank you all for sharing your reasoning!


392 posted on 05/04/2012 6:55:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jeff Head; Colofornian

And your Church Handbook of Instructions states otherwise.

More double speak from that cult. Not surprised, the members are so spoonfed that they often fail to realize the internal inconsistencies.

And no one ever said the Government should make the call. Strawman fail.

Give me a source for your claim of 99% of the time that is the counsel. You cannot, because the counselor cannot discuss it outside of the family. You are pulling stats out of your...hat.


393 posted on 05/04/2012 7:16:26 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: reaganaut
In my experience 99% of the time that has been the council. Pretty easy to understand.

Here's the link to the official Church site on abortion:

LDS Church Position on Abotion - Click on the additional info Link too

Read it yourself, I copied it in the above post for you to see.

That's the official position. I have a copy of the Handbook and it does not disagree in the least with this.

You can believe some kind of dark conspiracy that we are lieing on the official site and in the handbook I have...or that I am lieing (I am not), if you please. That's your decision. I am simply posting the accurate position of the Church.

394 posted on 05/04/2012 7:45:01 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Colofornian; LS; reaganaut; Alamo-Girl
If I had to guess the reason behind that, it'd be the usual reason...out and out religious hypocrisy.... But prove me wrong. Show me ONE time where you've gone to bat for these groups on a thread other than in the context of defending Romney.

Why should I bother? Your mind is already made up, and shut tight....

I did write a little something very recently regarding Obama's Muslim roots. But since it could be perceived as having occurred "in the context of defending Romney," I guess that doesn't count.

Why should I waste my time on that fool, Rev. Wright? I don't have a lot of free time on my hands lately, and haven't for the past year-plus for that matter.

I'd rather argue with atheists and Darwinists than my fellow Christians anyway.

BTW, I was a strong Huckabee admirer in 2008. The fact that he was a Christian pastor was all to the good as far as I was concerned. Had he won the nomination, I would gladly have voted for him.

395 posted on 05/04/2012 7:48:59 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: reaganaut
FYI, since it has also been discussed, here is the official Church position on Homosexuality, from LDS.org:

Homosexulaity (Gays and Lesbians)

“People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians. My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God. They may have certain inclinations which are powerful and which may be difficult to control. Most people have inclinations of one kind or another at various times. If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the Church. If they violate the law of chastity and the moral standards of the Church, then they are subject to the discipline of the Church, just as others are” (Gordon B. Hinckley, Ensign , Nov. 1998, 71).

Additional Information

“We want to help these people, to strengthen them, to assist them with their problems and to help them with their difficulties. But we cannot stand idle if they indulge in immoral activity, if they try to uphold and defend and live in a so-called same-sex marriage situation. To permit such would be to make light of the very serious and sacred foundation of God-sanctioned marriage and its very purpose, the rearing of families” (Gordon B. Hinckley, Ensign , Nov. 1998, 71).

And here's the link to that page:

LDS CHurch position on Homosexuality

Hope that helps.

396 posted on 05/04/2012 7:49:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head; svcw; T Minus Four

The official policy is to allow abortion if it is ‘prayerfully considered’ that isn’t Pro-life by any means.

In YOUR experience, how many is that? 3? 4? What about all the other Bishops?

The reality is far different, as evidenced by a lot of people I know who work pro-life clinics in Utah and have to deal with Mormon women who think abortion is just fine.


397 posted on 05/04/2012 8:17:06 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: betty boop; Colofornian; LS; Alamo-Girl

If you knew anything about Christianity or Mormonism you would know that Mormons ARE NOT Christians.

Been there, done that, wore the holy underwear.


398 posted on 05/04/2012 8:21:03 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Jeff Head; Colofornian; Elsie

And again the so called ‘official policy’ on homosexuality is contradicted by LDS practice (including the leadership).

I fully expect a revelation in the next 10 years or so allowing practicing homosexuals full membership without discipline.

I can also give you articles on their stance on illegal immigration. Mormons aren’t nearly as conservative as they claim.

Gay rights....Most people assume mormons are not for gay rights because of Prop 8, however there has been a huge (for them) change in the last few years.
They have given an openly gay man a position of leadership (Stake secretary equiv to assistant to a Catholic Bishop), have advocated for gay rights in SLC and changed their offical policy on Homosexual thoughts being a sin in their handbook of instructions. These are rapid and new developments but expect to see more changes soon. Also, you are no longer automatically excommunicated for being gay (which was not the case 15 years ago).

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/joannabrooks/5013/openly_gay_mormon_appointed_to_lds_church_leadership_position/

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/joannabrooks/3720/homosexual_thoughts_and_feelings_not_a_sin%2C_says_new_lds_handbook/

http://loydo38.blogspot.com/2010/11/homosexuality-in-2010-church-handbook.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2384333/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2384160/posts


399 posted on 05/04/2012 8:24:35 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; xzins; Bigun; P-Marlowe; LS; reaganaut; Jeff Head
...[Romney's] choice of a running mate will be his first opportunity to evidence his professed conservatism, which of course followed his liberal record as governor. If he is serious, he'll pick an outspoken firebrand of a conservative like Palin was to McCain.

And wouldn't that be lovely???

IMHO, he absolutely needs to do this.

Did anyone see Greta VanSusteran's show last night? She had Michelle Bachman on, with her full-blown endorsement of Romney. Bachman said she would vouch for Romney on pro-life issues, finding him sincere in the matter of defense of life. She also vouchsafed that he would, in fact, repeal ObamaCare, and ensure that any replacement for it would NOT include any sort of "individual mandate."

If the chair of the Congressional Tea Party Caucus is willing to try to unite the GOP, for the purpose of showing Obama the door, then all I can say is she definitely senses the URGENCY of defeating Obama.

Question: Would Bachman be an acceptable VP candidate with my friends here — or has she utterly tarnished herself in their view by coming to Romney's aid, for the purpose of uniting the party, in order to defeat the criminal enterprise now operating out of the White House?

Thank you so very much, dearest sister in Christs, for your valuable insights here.

400 posted on 05/04/2012 8:36:20 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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