Skip to comments.Election Strategy for Conservatives
Posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:08 PM PDT by Antoninus
Let's face it. The second Mitt Romney becomes the Republican nominee for president, conservatives have lost the 2012 election. The time has come to attempt to make the best of a bad situation.
Please allow me to present my analysis of our current political situation and my worst- and best-case scenarios.
Worst outcome: Obama wins, Democrats Take Control of the Congress.
If that happens, conservatives have lost everything for the next generation at least. Nothing short of divine intervention could save us from socialism at that point.
Second worst outcome: Romney wins
If Romney wins, it doesn't matter who controls the Congress. Socialism will progress, and fast. Romney will have no opposition from Republicans and Democrats will only oppose to push him even further to the left. And he will acquiesce. That's his MO. Worse, Republicans will rightly get the blame for every piece of socialist legislation that Romney signs, resulting in catastrophic defeats in 2014 and a loss of the presidency in 2016 to an even more radical Democrat commanding even more insuperable majorities in Congress than Obama did in 2008.
Least bad outcome: Obama wins with less than 50% of the vote, Republicans control Congress with solid majorities in each house.
This could happen with the emergence of a strong conservative third party candidate that bleeds votes from Romney, giving Obama a Clinton-style non-mandate victory. A strong conservative third party would also have the effect of energizing otherwise apathetic conservatives to come out and vote for conservative Republicans down-ticket, even while voting against Liberal Mitt on the top line. The resulting government produces only gridlock which keeps us in the fight with momentum leading into 2014 and 2016.
Given this, I have decided, for the first time in my life, to vote for a Third Party candidate for president in November. If no one with more national name recognition emerges, Virgil Goode will be getting my vote. I encourage others to think about it and do likewise.
Conversely, you could delude yourself into thinking that Romney isn't as bad as his record clearly shows him to be and spend your time, treasure and energy helping to elect an admitted "progressive" to the presidency. If you decide to do that, God bless you. But don't claim you weren't warned.
Exactly the way it is in Illinois. You walk in to the polling place on primary day and they ask you which ballot you want - there's no registration by political party whatsoever.
I have heard my Pastor comment more than once that he's "a registered democrat, yet always votes republican". I'm going to call him on it some day. That kind of willful ignorance is inexcusable.
By the way in more than 40 years of voting here, I've never been asked for any identification.
Well hey! I have a loquat tree in my front yard which produces much sweeter fruit than your antagonistic rant\attacks will ever bear. Come down off the hill you pompous condescending prick!
>>No, you’re a Romney supporter because you’re a whiny baby who can’t take criticism without flying into a sanctimonious hissy fit. That’s how Romney supporters operate. <<
Hey Tex — isn’t is always a pleasure to see pure analysis from someone who can defend her argumentative position? Particularly someone who is defending the current administration and wants to see it grow and flourish for another 4 years?
Solid unemotional argumentation — it is great to see it here! I must assume you agree Tex!
1. Recently, Texans registered to vote, got a voter card.
2. Those who vote in the Republican primary will become
Republicans and their voter card will be stamped “Republican”. Those who vote in the Democrat primary will have their cards stamped “Democrat”.
3. For the run-off election, the voter must vote in the run-off of the party primary in which he;she voted.
There is no Independent designation for voters. If you don't vote in either primary, you may call yourself an Independent but it is not noted anywhere.
I have a Texas ballot for this primary - there is no write-in line and hasn't been for a number of years when write-ins for anyone were stopped for primary elections. The only way now to become a write-in candidate now is to declare as a write-in candidate by a certain date before the general election (not the primary). If there are declared write-ins for the general election, a list of these declared write-ins will be posted in every voting booth.
This Texas ballot for the Republican primary lists all of the Republicans who were candidates for president. They are all there - you may vote for Perry or Newt or Bachman or Santorum or Romney or Huntsman or John Davis, or Charles Roemer or Ron Paul or vote “Uncommitted”.
Voting for a candidate who has dropped out does you no good except for your conscience and I plan to vote for Newt.
This is too stupid to waste any more time on...sheeesh.
“I have yet to see one FReeper posting that their mind was changed because another Freeper convinced them that their position was wrong. Just my two cents...”
I’ve seen two. Ionically, they cancel each other’s vote, lol.
Time for bed.
>>Shut up and vote however the hell you want, but dont expect your emotional outburst vanity post to change anyones mind.<<
I am thinking this is cathartic for all of us who feel we are forced into McCain 2.0 — it sucked last time and it sucks even more this time. It actually HURTS this time (in my gut anyway).
So, we have to throw the spaghetti onto the roof — look at barry as POTUS or ANYONE ELSE as POTUS and ANYONE ELSE wins if we love our country and don’t want to spend the next 25 or 30 years undoing the damage obozo and wife will create (I think we can clean the current mess up in about 10 years).
The idea that it is patriotic to vote FOR obozo by voting for someone meaningless (or write in Tex’s dog) is absurd — a “message” vote is, in real terms, a vote to retain the current administration.
We all hate this — we know Romney is the most liberal republican perhaps ever.
But we need to apply the Buckley rule — the worst righty is better than the best lefty.
But it hurts and gets our dander up when children say we should vote for bucky dent when we know that would destroy us.
Give me a chance to vent my pain and you have a taker!!
“if you had a choice of leaders between a lazy, ineffective, pampered marxist and a driven, efficient, amoral socialist with a vendetta against conservatives, which would you choose? “
a) BHO has NOT been ineffective - he’s been able to nearly destroy us, our alliances, the free practice/speech of any religion except Islam, and make us the laughing stock of the world (particularly to our enemies) in just three short years. But he’d finish these things with a horrific flourish, if re-elected.
b) BHO has a vendetta against America and her friends.
So, which would I choose? Any candidate running against The Wan.
>>Well hey! I have a loquat tree in my front yard which produces much sweeter fruit than your antagonistic rant\attacks will ever bear. Come down off the hill you pompous condescending prick!<<
You engage me, I answer you, YOU condescend and then because I *DARE* answer you at another level you call me condescending?
It is to laugh. You should take your show on the road to people at your intellectual level. DU and KOS are taking applications I think.
Que Sera Sera...
“If you think a conservative Republican congress will be able to hinder or stop him from ruling as a dictator, you are dreaming.”
You’re right - this is the frightening reality.
Whatever. I’ll almost certainly be on the ballot in California, and Goode almost certainly won’t.
And he’s going to have to explain a lot of votes he made as a Dem congressman, and deal with a whole bunch of CP baggage, especially on foreign policy.
You can go back to supporting the GOP’s pro-choice democrat now.
>>Be a man and stand behind your stance.
You are defeated and pretty much admit it with that statement.
You should not have started this thread. Daddy didn’t come to your rescue as you imagined in your adolescent fantasy.
You had to hold your ground and you have been blasted from the battleground like fodder (and easily done, too).
Don’t waste your vote on jonny b. goode — just vote obama which is your real agenda here. Getting people to give up (and thus shift the win to obama) just doesn’t work with real patriots. Not those that can think for ourselves anyway.
Agreed, and they will change both ways. Mainly we are all venting because we are all so damn frustrated, whichever side of the divide we are on.
*Indianhead test pattern*
>>You can stuff your leftist creep where the sun don’t shine. I’m voting for a conservative. <<
No you’re not.
You are voting for obama.
I am not a member of the Republican Party. Haven't been for 14 years now and I haven't seen any reason why I should affiliate myself with them again.
Voting for either Obama or Romney is morally repugnant to me, so I will vote for the strongest conservative on my ballot. If you think that is "promoting the re-election of Obama" I doubt there is anything I could say that would change your mind, nor do I have a desire to do so.
I posted to a like minded individual and really don't care to get in a deep discussion with someone who disagrees with my reasoning.
I am really sincere when I say, who you cast your vote for or against is absolutely none of my business. Please allow me the same courtesy. We, more than likely, both have earned it.
I'm thinking folks who keep saying that probably aren't going to be around here that much longer.
>>The Buckley rule has helped the GOP-e keep a lid on the conservative movement for far too long and it only ever worked one way—when a moderate got the nomination. Whenever a conservative gets the nomination, the Buckley rule is forgotten. It’s long past time to kick it to the curb.<<
And your plan is so much better. Antoninus proclaims “Obama 2012!”
>>And might I remind you that Bill Buckley’s kid voted for Obama in ‘08... <<
Which means exactly nothing. My cat voted for Anderson in 1980. That didn’t reflect on my vote for Reagan.
When you're weighing options for 'least bad' and one of them is "President Obama," it's a no-brainer.
A lot of the differences in argument here I think reduce to two sides: One thinks the other underestimates how bad Obama will be; one thinks the other underestimates how bad Romney will be.
Tweaked tagline ...
My apologies then, but it is an open forum, so I hope you understand I assumed otherwise. I will of course try to remember in the future.
>>I’m thinking folks who keep saying that probably aren’t going to be around here that much longer.<<
It is skating on the edge but I did directly ping JR on a similar thread and he seemed OK even if he clearly couldn’t stomach Romney (and as I said upthread, it phsysically hurts my stomach much more than McCain ever did).
The sad reality is we are stuck with Romney. JR (and thus FR) will never endorse Romney — it is a bridge too far and I understand that. But realpoltik forces our hands in ways we would prefer not to. Even Rush has walked up to it and accepted it.
I won’t ask JR nor even FR to change its stance. It is like asking one to vomit twice because the purge felt good in the stomach.
But I won’t let a self-important yahoo make a stand without acknowledging the practical results of her stated position.
Elections have consequences.
If I ask you the time, don’t answer me by telling me how to build a birdhouse.
The last time a non-Republican, or non-democrat won an electoral vote was 1968, George Wallace.
FR favorite got 0.5% of the vote in 2000. Ross Perot did much better, but likely threw 1992 to Clinton.
Greens, Libertarians, and plenty of other 3rd party fantasies pass almost unnoticed by the voters.
Reality check is a good thing, from time to time. As always the next Potus will be a Republican or a democrat.
>>No, I’m not.<<
If you don’t think your vote for johnny b. goode or whomever is NOT a vote for obama then you don’t live in the real world.
Which explains a lot of your answers as well as the origination of this thread.
I thank you for creating a discussion thread that let a lot of us clarify the reality as opposed to the fantasy you and many of your kindred souls seem to inhabit. I am sorry Daddy didn’t ride in on his white steed to save you, but I must assume he knew someday you would have to stand up as a grown woman and defend your hill and your beans.
Good night — I do hope you sleep the sleep of the confident, knowing your decision will assist obama in holding his office (which I assume is your agenda). You have moved the puck down the ice admirably.
You're fooling yourself. It's a plunge into the political abyss.
Good luck and I hope the rocks aren't too jagged for ya.
It is my opinion, one that I share with Mark Levin, that we have a chance to support “our” Candidate in the Primary Elections, that is what they are for. Once the Primaries are over, the game changes.
Since “we” don't control the final Vote tallies, we either support the last man standing or we decide to acquiesce to our Political opponents. This Election is much more than Politics, and some here feel that the Nation will not survive Obama’s Reelection. That is just the way it is.
Choices will be made. My guy Newt is dropping out tomorrow, so I will make a symbolic Vote in the CA June Primary for Ron Paul. That is where symbolism will end for me though.
(And Yes, I understand that most of us here look at Romney as a Political opponent). We can influence Romney's Politics, just as we did with President Bush. We cannot influence Obama’s relentless attack on our Liberties.
I agreed with you about Santorum. But no way would Romney’s Supremes picks be as bad as Barack’s. Sorry. If a house is on fire you have to save what you can. Romney’s the only fire extinguisher left.
Obama is a wannabe Communist. His Reelection will result in the Gloating Nothing to Lose Term. We will have ZERO influence on his decisions. His impact in seating two or three Justices on the SCOTUS will haunt this Country for Generations.
If the Republican Nominee loses the support of members of his own Party, the avalanche of damage to down Ballot Republicans will insure that the House, Senate and Republican Governorships will fall to the Democrats.
Now, as far as I am concerned, the idiots that Voted for Romney in the Primaries did no favors to the Republican Party or our Country. In my world, you play the cards you are dealt. If Romney is the hand we have, then we either play it out or surrender the pot to our enemy across the table.
That is how I see it. You see if differently. Since this is a Free Country, follow your path and I will follow mine. We have reached the point where it is apparent that we can't keep kicking the same dead Horse.
Que Sera Sera, what will be will be.
This election is ours to lose. The economy stinks, unemployment is still at record highs, home prices continue to fall, job growth is miniscule, gas prices have doubled, food prices are up....
Do I need to go on? Defeating Obama is #1 this time around. Will I vote for Romney? You’re darn right. And yes, a no vote, vote for unknown candidate, or a write-in vote is the same as a vote for Obama.
I changed my mind, but Obama changed it. After swearing I’d never vote for Romney, Hussein finally made a believer out of me with his latest shenanigans re St Trayvon. That finally focussed my mind. We can’t afford to have this white-hating, America-hating ready-to-be-a-tyrant re-elected, he will be no holds barred in a second term. It will be open season on whites with no recourse and no protection under the very laws OUR ancestors promulgated!
The Romney supporters here must be waving flags, singing and cheering over Mr. Mittens Romney’s FIRST APPOINTMENT.
MR. RICHARD GRENELL !
HOMOSEXUAL. ALREADY RESIGNED - JUST DAYS AFTER BEING APPOINTED.
ROMNEY’S TRUE COLORS ARE SHOWING.
Rube Republican (crying, sniffling, whining): But I have to vote faw him, da wowood is gowing to end overwise ! Aahhhhh ! hewp me !! The big Wepubwican machine estabwishment towd me to vote faw Mr. Womney !!!!!!
Sam Kinnison: Hey Rube. Guess what. OBAMA’S BEEN PRESIDENT FOR THREE @$@#$ YEARS ALREADY MORON ! And you know where the sky is ? IT’S STILL UP IN THE SKY !
Romney’s true colors: ANY #^#$%#%#% COLOR YOU WANT AS LONG AS I GET TO BE PRESIDENT. Highest bidder wins. Big pharma. Big finance. Big Hollywood. Big homo. Big islam. Hey, big anybody. Just look at my smile and vote for me ! Rube ? Rube who ?
Rube (two months after Womney is elected): AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH !! BUT YOU SAID YOU LOVED ME !!!! THE CHECK IS IN THE MAIL !!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH !!!! THE ESTABLISHMENT LIED TO ME AGAIN !!!!! We’ve got the first completely all-homo/all-islamic-shari’a’ah’ schools and judicial systems in the history of America. Ouch ! This is worse than nobama ! Why is the Congress siding with this liberal ? Could it be ? Are most of them from the establishment too ? Why did I vote for him, why did I pull that lever ????
Antoninus: Rube, Rube, Rube. Sorry pal. You said Romney was the lesser of two weevils. Well, dude, too bad. Now, you’re hosed, and BY YOUR OWN PARTY ! And he doesn’t even return your calls now. Poor Rube. And the commies are going to use the whole mess to win in 2016, since, well, it’s all Republican, the whole mess. You’ve got a bigger EPA than ever. Bigger NLRB. Bigger FHA. More bailouts. No school choice. Dude’s even overseeing the government as it slowly increases persecution of Christians and practicing Jews - and islams getting hundreds of new mosques in America - which local towns are stuck with. It’s freedom of religion don’t you know. And Mitt wants Christians to “tone down” their rhetoric. And the Romneybots just keep smilin’... it’s ok, because Republicans WON !
America is the Swimming Pool and Romney is the Baby Ruth Bar. (Caddyshack)
I'll go with the Swimming Pool scenario.
There is reason to be disciplined in this election year. If we falter, Zer0 will be reelected.
“Given this, I have decided, for the first time in my life, to vote for a Third Party candidate for president in November. If no one with more national name recognition emerges, Virgil Goode will be getting my vote. I encourage others to think about it and do likewise.”
Here here, I agree with you.
Tell that to the Gingrich fans. I supported Santorum. I don’t know what the rest of you were thinking, but he was our last chance.