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Stephens: Anyone But Condi
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 30, 2012, 7:24 p.m. ET | BRET STEPHENS

Posted on 05/02/2012 6:34:48 AM PDT by IbJensen

Edited on 05/02/2012 6:38:44 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Did you loathe and detest the Bush administration? If so, you'd probably say its ideas were horrible and their execution worse. Did you not loathe and detest the Bush administration? In that case, you might say its ideas were pretty good—only the execution often left something to be desired.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: condi; condirice; pickanother; poorchoiceforvup; rice; sos
Condi Rice's resume is long on activity, but short on accomplishment. It is hard to point to one thing and say "Wow, that was a great accomplishment!" She flew around the world, talked to foreign leaders and got some agreements signed. You could have replaced her with someone else and gotten pretty much the same results.

Romney needs to distance himself from both Bush and Obama. He can't go around saying "If you hate Obama, then vote for a Bush clone."

1 posted on 05/02/2012 6:34:57 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

I like Condi.

Back to you...


2 posted on 05/02/2012 6:38:49 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Fall Forward")
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To: IbJensen

ABC, ah man, there goes my slogan “Anyone But Commies”


3 posted on 05/02/2012 6:42:26 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: IbJensen

Apart from Kissinger I can’t think of a single recent SoS who’s been spoken of in glowing terms.I happen to have a lot of respect for Condi...I think she’s smart,dignified,capable.I think.for example,that she’s *far* better qualified to be POTUS than is our Community Organizer-In-Chief.I,personally,think she’d be a huge plus for the ticket...either in the top spot or the second spot.


4 posted on 05/02/2012 6:43:31 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: IbJensen
Did you loathe and detest the Bush administration?

Well, not at first, but I eventually got there.
5 posted on 05/02/2012 6:45:17 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: IbJensen

No, and screw this author and his revisionist dreams.


6 posted on 05/02/2012 6:46:59 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: IbJensen

Condi “do you know who I am” Rice?

Wouldn’t be related to John “do you know who I am” Kerry?


7 posted on 05/02/2012 6:49:25 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: IbJensen

A mark of character is to admit one’s mistakes. This is a refreshing difference from the ‘politics as usual’ lie, spin, twist, obfuscate, strategy employed by most professional politicians.

Usually those who admit their mistakes learn from them. Those who cover up their mistakes become less proficient at everything except covering up.

Bush and Condi are both professing Christians who have taken unpopular stands for their beliefs. And both love America.

I would vote for Condi for President OVER any of the current frontrunners.


8 posted on 05/02/2012 6:55:28 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: IbJensen

I think Condi was a better National Security Advisor than a SecState.

She was a better SecState than Colin Powell, though.


9 posted on 05/02/2012 6:55:58 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’ll give you that one!

Colon Powell was an utter jackass and I got that from people who were forced to work with this inflated ego in the Pentagon.

America has been cursed with lousy SOSs. The current one, who no doubt picked Janet Reno (Lusty lesbian) when she was ‘running’ the White Hut, is a disgrace.


11 posted on 05/02/2012 7:00:30 AM PDT by IbJensen ( I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what 0 does with mine)
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To: ecomcon

Why in the hell do so many FReepers continue to toss accolades her way and to suggest that she should run for president...or vice president?

The idea is patently absurd.


12 posted on 05/02/2012 7:02:29 AM PDT by IbJensen ( I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what 0 does with mine)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

It’s nice that you ‘like’ her. I don’t even care in what way you like her; however, to put this woman in the White Hut....in any capacity is simply wrong-headed thinking.


13 posted on 05/02/2012 7:04:19 AM PDT by IbJensen ( I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what 0 does with mine)
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To: IbJensen

She’s pro-abort. That does it for me.


14 posted on 05/02/2012 7:04:23 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: IbJensen

Screw Romney. He agrees with most of what GWB did.

Condi seems like a nice person but reminding voters of GWB is a great way of joining the Obama 2012 campaign.


15 posted on 05/02/2012 7:05:28 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: All

I can see where the moderator edited this article, which I did as well keeping it well under 300 words, but I wonder why he decimated the posting into one sentence?


16 posted on 05/02/2012 7:07:10 AM PDT by IbJensen ( I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what 0 does with mine)
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To: IbJensen

I had high hopes for Condi.
She was big disappointment & turned out to be more of a Rino than I realized.


17 posted on 05/02/2012 7:08:19 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: andyk; IbJensen
......loathe and detest the Bush administration?

If GW could talk, he might now be on Mt. Rushmore. However, as he aged in office, the genetically determined wimp factor took firmer hold, as he bumbled and cartered his way out of office.

The Bush Legacy: Why Obama, of course!

18 posted on 05/02/2012 7:10:28 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Dr. Rice is a RINO and an ovowed Arabist. She is a disaster.


19 posted on 05/02/2012 7:14:53 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: IbJensen

I was just prodding you, with a bit of dissent. :D

While Dr. Rice is pleasant and not unattractive, my support for her has nothing to do with infatuation.

She was instrumental in American policy vis-a-vis the Soviet Union, and played a role in resolving the cold war.

Rice is perhaps, one of the most brilliant people to have been in American government recently.

I disagree with, but understand her not opposing Obama. Frankly looking at America’s history someone like Obama was inevitable.

What’s important now that we’ve gotten that historical inevitability out of the way - is defeating him before he destroys our nation.

And sure, I still like Condi.


20 posted on 05/02/2012 7:17:17 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Fall Forward")
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To: IbJensen

She was not so great an SoS, either.

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If Romney is elected, he needs to do what GW Bush failed to do — clean out all the hold-overs from previous administrations.

And, he needs to bring in new blood — not old hacks from previous administrations.

That is part of the problem in Washington — too many old hacks and hold-overs who won’t leave.


21 posted on 05/02/2012 7:32:15 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: IbJensen

It’s broken record season, so here goes. Like or dislike Condi, she brings nothing to the ticket that helps Romney. If anything, she will trigger resentment from plantation blacks. The fact that she swooned over Obama won’t mean anything to them. Even though she is the epitome of a smart, hardworking, talented, successful female, Condi won’t do much to attract the women’s vote. Last, but not least, not by a long shot, is that Condi’s politics are something of an unknown, except she is flexible enough to get a chill up her leg when Obama won, and that is way too flexible for me. Romney doesn’t care about her politics, but he knows political correctness won’t help him. Romney’s people know he has a conservative problem. In terms of ethnic demographics, his best chance to turn things is by winning the Catholic, Hispanic voters the Democrats are crapping on.


22 posted on 05/02/2012 7:34:54 AM PDT by pallis
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To: IbJensen

Condi Rice?

Haven’t we had enough incompetent, affirmative action people at the highest levels of the federal government, placed there solely because of their skin color and/or their personal plumbing?

People like Madeleine Albright, Condi Rice, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Janet Napolitano, Kathleen Sebelius and Eric Holder have largely been responsible for turning the USA into a laughing stock on the international stage and gradually moving us toward a national version of Detroit.

It’s time to stop the racist/sexist insanity and select people who have demonstrated the ability to perform the job.


23 posted on 05/02/2012 7:43:39 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: IbJensen

I excerpted the WSJ image you posted. The FR software is brutal. If you have any more questions, please ask us directly.


24 posted on 05/02/2012 7:48:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; IbJensen; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; GOPsterinMA

You like her? Well she’s never married so go ask her.

She is maybe the worst running mate Romney could pick. I seriously doubt he will but she’s the worst one that I could imagine even being possibly considered.

She’s pro-choice, pro-shamnesty, AND has has strong Bush stink (you can’t think of her without thinking of W). If you have Bush stink you better damn well be a decent conservative.

With Romney’s history of flip flopping on abortion he needs a pro-life running mate and Bush stink as strong as hers is a baaaad idea. That means no Condi, no Jeb. No way.


25 posted on 05/02/2012 8:00:34 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: bigbob

>>...screw this author and his revisionist dreams.<<

It was a good, accurate, article. The VP choice might well be President someday, and could certainly have an advantage in 8 years. Better it not be Rice, given her history of waffling on conservative principles. What the author said, needed saying.


26 posted on 05/02/2012 8:12:31 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: IbJensen

If, okay when, it comes down to it, I’m not sure if I am going to vote for Mitt. Adding Rice to the ticket would make that decision for me. Just like with Palin, only the other way.


27 posted on 05/02/2012 8:14:40 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: IbJensen
The question is MOOT!

Condi Rice has never run for elected office and she's not going
to start now. Makes great headline fodder though.

28 posted on 05/02/2012 8:21:51 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Impy; All

“Anyone But Condi”

I couldn’t agree more. Your reasoning says it all.


29 posted on 05/02/2012 8:39:25 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The stench of Earth Pimp-age is permeating over the internet...)
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To: FreeAtlanta

“Anyone But Commies”

We know ABC does not stand for that!


30 posted on 05/02/2012 8:43:00 AM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Gil4

lol, yeah, but why not use it to put out the commie fire?


31 posted on 05/02/2012 8:54:23 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: IbJensen
Did Condi vote for Obamah?
32 posted on 05/02/2012 8:54:29 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; IbJensen; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; GOPsterinMA; Impy; ...
>> I’m not sure if I am going to vote for Mitt. Adding Rice to the ticket would make that decision for me. Just like with Palin, only the other way. <<

Ditto for me. If that's the GOP ticket, I'm voting for Virgil Goode. (not like my vote matters anyway)

33 posted on 05/02/2012 10:43:42 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: BillyBoy

It’s not going to be Condi Rice; Romney actually want to win the presidency.


34 posted on 05/02/2012 10:51:20 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; IbJensen; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; GOPsterinMA; Impy; ...
>> A mid-April CNN poll finds that former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has unmatched name recognition and a favorable rating of 80% among GOP voters. She's also the person Republicans would most like to see on the ticket <<

80% of Republicans have a FAVORABLE view of Rice after her awful record as SOS and her subsequent support of Obama? Which "Republicans" did they poll, these guys?


35 posted on 05/02/2012 10:51:29 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Iron Munro; All
The only racism/sexism I see is from you and your ilk trolling any FR mention of Condi Rice with bald faced lies (esp. specious claims about 2008) and personal vitriol about her and her record.

She was and is objectively well qualified for the jobs held, whether you liked what the W's administration "accomplished" in foreign policy or not.

Why is there so seldom any effort to list grievances?

Curiously you left Colin Powell, unabashed endorser of Obama, and SoS longer than Condi, off of your list. You must think he was brilliant!

36 posted on 05/02/2012 11:19:15 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: IbJensen
She's pro-abortion (bad), pro-2nd Amendment (good), and unknown on other domestic issues. She was a decent NSA and mediocre sec of state, although better than Powell and his lackeys who caused the whole Joe Wilson stuff in the first place.

I'd rather have her run for California rep, governor, or senate.

37 posted on 05/02/2012 11:27:11 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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To: IbJensen
Romney does need to distance himself from W when it comes to the ticket.

Condi would be a major asset to a future GOP administration but VP is a political job; she is not a politician and has no interest in that arena. It offers her nothing but grief.

I think you grossly under estimate her contribution to the post-9/11 successes of W's administration. It's not like anyone could halt North Korea's nuclear ambitions or resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

It doesn't seem the case for you, but I see too much of that on FR now, generally rooted in misogyny or blatant racism. It's vile and despicable. It's against the rules but such posters persist.

38 posted on 05/02/2012 11:27:37 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: newzjunkey
She [Condi]was and is objectively well qualified for the jobs held, whether you liked what the W's administration "accomplished" in foreign policy or not.

Name one major accomplishment during her tenure as secretary of state.

Forcing a cease fire in the 2006 Israel/lebanon conflict to save Hezbollah and allow them to retrench and rearm doesn't count.


39 posted on 05/02/2012 12:20:53 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: newzjunkey
Curiously you left Colin Powell, unabashed endorser of Obama, and SoS longer than Condi, off of your list. You must think he was brilliant!

No, I just forgot to add him. Thanks for the reminder.

He stands right out there with the worst of the worse.

If it wasn't for affirmative action he would have spent his Army career running the night shift at a chow hall.


40 posted on 05/02/2012 12:25:23 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Darren McCarty

I’d much rather she join the rank of ex-SOSs that are truly enigmas. They served no purpose other than paring down the credibility of America and the creation of wonderment as to why they’d never married.


41 posted on 05/02/2012 1:36:28 PM PDT by IbJensen ( I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what 0 does with mine)
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To: All

Don’t blame me for whittling this article down to one sentence!

The ‘moderator’ slashed it to this extent for whatever reason I have no idea. He commented to me that the WSJ dictated this, but I know this is patently untrue. His comments are now nowhere to be found.

I edited this to under 300 words before posting and now I wonder if these ‘moderators’ are exercising their police police in an unreasonable manner.

I, like most of you, donate money to this website and am increasingly agitated by these underhanded exercises of ‘power.’


42 posted on 05/02/2012 1:47:43 PM PDT by IbJensen ( I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what 0 does with mine)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Rice is perhaps, one of the most brilliant people to have been in American government recently.”

What evidence do you have for this statement? She’s not stupid, but I have not seen signs of brilliance. Accomplishment in the political world or on the piano does not make one brilliant.


43 posted on 05/02/2012 1:58:44 PM PDT by JewishRighter (Anybody but Hussein)
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To: IbJensen
1. Always please post the entire headline, if space allows.
2. Please do not post images from any source on the list.
3. Please excerpt short articles to 50% of content.
4. Please consult the Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints.

Your submission was excerpted because you posted an image from the WSJ. The FR software determines how much of it is excised.

44 posted on 05/03/2012 7:25:42 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Condi is a social and economic liberal. And she is squishy and irresolute on foreign policy. She is one of the main reasons that W’s Presidency was moribund in the last four years. She looks good, is smart, but anyone who did not oppose Obama in ‘08 lacks critical judgment, or cares more about race than country. Bob


45 posted on 06/24/2012 11:55:19 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("Bedroom eyes and boardroom faces---Oh where will it lead?" from Red Toupee by Al Stewart)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Even though she is pro-abort and soft on support for Israel? There are many things to admire about Condi - BUT I could not support her on the ticket.


46 posted on 06/24/2012 12:05:32 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

What exactly do you like about her? Her legs?

This woman was SECRETARY OF STATE under the LOSER who helped put Obama in the Oval Office.

Under the Administration she served, the Patriot Act, TSA and Homeland Security was established whose powers have ABUSED the rights of American citizens while FAILING to identify and target MUSLIMS.

Under her Sectretary of Stateship, Bush delivered his TOTALLY ASSININE speech about ISLAM being a PREACEFUL Religion - right after a bunch of Islamic Fanatics - in TYPICAL MUSLIM FASHION - incinerated nearly 3,000 American civilians in a cowardly attack.

Under Bush’s administration and her direction, we got embroiled in a PROLONGED OCCUPATION of Iraq and Afghanistan after taking out the dictarorshipes which existed there. We have lost countless American lives and dollars in a FUTILE effort to civilize Islamic Savages without IDENTIFYING and eradicating the underlying problem - ISLAM.

Under her tutelage as Secretary of State, the Bush Administration rolled over and played dead with respect to Mexico’s INVASION of our southern borders by a Mexican army of illegals, and at least two Hispanic-American Border guars were PERSECUTED - not just PROSECUTED - by her administration.

If Romney picks ANYONE connected in ANY WAY with that idiot George Bush and his administration - HE LOSES.

And if he picks RICE, I very well may vote for an independent.


47 posted on 07/13/2012 6:09:56 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: ZULU

Rice was working for Bush, but cutting her own way back when she was on board.

Her job prior to S of S was as an unknown back bencher working in the loop in ... Moscow as a member of the team who went there, way back when.

She’s got a long and (very) credible reign, and despite by own fed-up situation regarding anything Bush, I enthusiastically support Rice.


48 posted on 07/13/2012 6:20:24 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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