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Minn. Vikings stadium stalls amid Capitol politics
Yahoo Sports - NFL ^ | May 1, 2012 | By PATRICK CONDON | The Associated Press

Posted on 05/02/2012 7:23:19 AM PDT by topher

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) The big push at Minnesota's Capitol to pass a public subsidy for a new Vikings stadium stalled Tuesday, as the proposal got snared in the partisan politics that have defined state government under a Democratic governor and Republican legislative majorities.

The prospect of impending House and Senate floor votes on the $975 million stadium plan appeared to dissolve after Republican legislative leaders unexpectedly debuted a brand-new financing plan that differs significantly from the proposal negotiated by Gov. Mark Dayton's administration, the Vikings and the city of Minneapolis. GOP leaders called for shrinking the proposed $400 million state contribution by an unspecified amount, eliminating the stadium's roof and paying for it with state general bonds rather than tax money from an expansion of legal gambling.

The proposal earned withering scorn from Dayton even before the GOP unveiled it. The Democratic governor called a news conference to blast Republican leaders after hearing third-hand of what he called ''secret meetings'' with the Vikings. He described their proposal as ''fooling around'' and demanded up-or-down House and Senate votes on the original plan.

(Excerpt) Read more at sports.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: gambling; stadium; taxmoney; vikings
Governor Dayton's plan (Democratic Governor) is to expand gambling and use tax money from that expansion to fund this [aka, the MOB and the Democratic Party in bed with each other].

The GOP, on the other hand, is proposing cutting back on the state's contribution to the new stadium, and make it an NFL stadium without a roof [AKA, like Green Bay's home field advantage]. They would float bonds to fund this.

Clearly, the GOP is doing the right thing by the taxpayers of Minnesota. In my opinion, expanding gambling is a bad thing. Floating bonds is not a good thing, but the NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry, so keeping the Vikings in Minnesota IS A SOUND FINANCIAL INVESTMENT!

1 posted on 05/02/2012 7:23:28 AM PDT by topher
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To: topher

One of the ways they want to cut cost is to eliminate the roof.


2 posted on 05/02/2012 7:29:18 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Curious that the Vikings want to play indoors and the Packers are able to play outside.


3 posted on 05/02/2012 7:32:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Perdogg

Interesting that 30 plus years ago, when the Metrodome was built, a domed stadium was considered essential due to the bitter cold of Minnesota winters. But now, some say that the cold weather could be a “home field advantage” to the Vikings. Interesting how the views of things have changed.


4 posted on 05/02/2012 7:32:23 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Vikings playing outdoors : 4 NFC Titles
Vikings playing indoors : 0 NFC Titles

Coincidence? I think not.


5 posted on 05/02/2012 7:34:47 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Ya, some teams, such as the Packers and Buffalo Bills, like to talk about the cold weather games, and that they have to be tough enough for the weather, etc.


6 posted on 05/02/2012 7:36:18 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: topher
so keeping the Vikings in Minnesota IS A SOUND FINANCIAL INVESTMENT!

Upwards of a billion dollars for 8 games a year for around 25-30 years of useful life? If you assume $1 billion for 240 games and 60,000 people per game that comes to $70 per ticket. Yikes.

It would be nice if our current fiscal problems force local governments across the country to jointly say "NO!" to these playgrounds. Some teams may move trying to find the last cities willing to screw their taxpayers to pay for the stadiums, but hopefully the game of musical chairs will end when fewer than 32 cities are willing to pay for them. Let the owners, advertisers and ticket buyers pay for them and leave our tax bills out of it.

7 posted on 05/02/2012 7:42:10 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: topher

I love pro football..but if I were in the legislature..I would tell the vikes to pound sand..the NFL is a multi-billion dollar enterprise..build your own damn stadium..that way the Vikes get to keep all of the money themselves and don’t have to hit up cash-strapped states..my two cents..


8 posted on 05/02/2012 7:44:14 AM PDT by BerniesFriend (Sarah Palin-"Lord knows she's attractive" says bitter Andrea Mitchell and the rest of the MSM)
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To: dfwgator

Viking “playing” football=0/4 Super Bowl wins! GO PACK!


9 posted on 05/02/2012 7:44:26 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: BerniesFriend
I have to agree. Why does any state taxpayer have to support a group of millionaire players and owners ?
10 posted on 05/02/2012 7:48:18 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The Metrodome cost (inflation adjsted) $170 million. The Vikings are demanding a stadium costing $1 billion - 2/3 publically financed. They are not interested in any compromise on that. In fact any suggestion that maybe 3/4 of a billion ( 4X fancier than the Metrodome) might be more realistic is thown back in our faces with disgust, as if we insulted them.

Leave you bastards.


11 posted on 05/02/2012 7:51:15 AM PDT by DManA
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To: KarlInOhio
It would be nice if our current fiscal problems force local governments across the country to jointly say "NO!" to these playgrounds. Some teams may move trying to find the last cities willing to screw their taxpayers to pay for the stadiums, but hopefully the game of musical chairs will end when fewer than 32 cities are willing to pay for them. Let the owners, advertisers and ticket buyers pay for them and leave our tax bills out of it.

If building and operating an NFL stadium (or Major League baseball stadium, NBA/NHL arena) was profitable, the teams would all be building their own venues instead of holding cities for ransom, and sticking the tax payers with the bill.

12 posted on 05/02/2012 7:55:13 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: KarlInOhio

This economic argunent has been debunked over and over again. If you ignore the fact that a $billion dollars invested some other way might actually have a larger gain then investing it in a stadum, If you pretend that one $billion appears out of thin air, if you pretend that money citizens spend on Vikings games won’t be spent on other leisure time business, then it looks pretty good.

In other words if you are dishonest you might fool some people.


13 posted on 05/02/2012 7:56:01 AM PDT by DManA
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To: topher

Time to put the NFL on the spot: as a condition for public funding, guarantee that two Super Bowls will be played at the new stadium (over the next 10-12 years).


14 posted on 05/02/2012 8:04:41 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: KarlInOhio

Indeed. When I moved to the DFWarea, I expected to attend the Ramgers game. Did not like the hassle or the expense. Pay for parking, pay for seating distant from the field. because companies have bought up all the good seats. I can remember getting good seats at Fenway in 1995 for about $15. Paid many times more more for worse seats at Arlington, plus I don’t like the configuration of the stadium. I can see very good baseball played at the Ranger’s minor league club at Frisco, at a small park where you can spit on the players if you choose. But watch out for fouls!


15 posted on 05/02/2012 8:08:56 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: KarlInOhio

yaaaa! we got some crumbs from the bread and circuses!


16 posted on 05/02/2012 8:11:15 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: topher
Footbal stadiums are welfare for rich people.

Let them pay them themselves.

17 posted on 05/02/2012 9:15:58 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: GreenHornet

AFL-CIO is all for it. (so it must be great...)

If one stadium is an economic boom, 3 stadiums would be even BETTER!


18 posted on 05/02/2012 9:42:11 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: starlifter

I do find it interesting that the same union members who decry the evil 1% and ally themselves with occutards are by and large all for the 99% funding the rich 1% NFL owner, Ziggy.


19 posted on 05/02/2012 9:57:38 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: KarlInOhio
that comes to $70 per ticket

Not a single penny of ticket sales will go towards paying off the stadium -- that's revenue for the NFL. The politicians are using the time-honored [and flat-out false] economic justification that the stadium will spur economic activity. It won't; it will drain money from other entertainment venues.

20 posted on 05/02/2012 10:01:34 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: topher
Send a bi-partisan fact finding group to Cincinnati ... I'm sure they'll learn something from the Paul Brown stadium fiasco. The tax payers of Hamilton County took it in the shorts big time.
Mike Brown threatened to leave Cincinnati for greener pastures (LA was rumored) unless he got what he wanted ... a new stadium to replace the old one which hadn't reached the quarter century mark. The city fathers promptly reached over and grabbed their ankles ... the rest is history.
21 posted on 05/02/2012 10:11:48 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: DManA

Can you say LA Vikings?


22 posted on 05/02/2012 11:40:39 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: topher

taxpayer money for sports stadiums is an abuse of the taxpayer. If a sports team wants a building to play in, they can build one themselves and pay or it. If they cannot afford it, they can just play in an open field or go bankrupt if they are not a viable business. I am sick of taxpayers having their wealth stolen and given to others.


23 posted on 05/02/2012 11:41:58 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: topher

Totally agree with you. Glad to see the new GOP standing firm against the mob-rat machine.


24 posted on 05/02/2012 1:49:05 PM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: Perdogg; Eric in the Ozarks; Dilbert San Diego; US Navy Vet; BerniesFriend; KarlInOhio; DManA; ...
Update: GOP plan dead and Democratic Governor Dayton's plan will be voted on [unclear if it will pass].

Freerepublic thread [from website Politics in Minnesota]:

[MN] GOP leaders scrap roofless stadium plan, set end-of-session path

25 posted on 05/04/2012 8:57:18 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Perdogg

I cannot understand how this thing cost a $billion. In constant dollar terms that is 7X more expensive then the Metrodome.


26 posted on 05/04/2012 9:40:29 AM PDT by DManA
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