Skip to comments.Why the GOP is destined to Implode (vanity)
Posted on 05/02/2012 10:16:56 AM PDT by Mozilla
It has become obvious that the GOP is a free fall mode now and destined to collapse due to the nomination of a Mitt Romney and due to the establishment's attacks on conservatives and the tea party.
People who can't take it any longer are trying to stand up to the party. A good way is to not vote for the hand picked nominee who they are ramming down our throats.
But the end is near because already we are seeing a demoralized base that is spilt and broken over the nomination of Mitt Romney.
The ABO crowd fails to see the gravity of the problem or understand how true conservbatives feel about voting for Romney.
The left is feeding off this division and trolling to get the division to continue and to get Romney to demoralize the base instead of them uniting against both Obama and Romney.
The same divisions that occurred in the primaries are continuing. As people are confused on what to do as their worst fears have come true. Obama vs. Romney is where we are at. America loses no matter who wins. A Romney presidency would be a disaster of epic proportions that would be as bad as a second Obama term.
I truly feel that Romney will work to end what is left of the tea party or co-opt it some more to where they become an arm of the GOP. And then he will work to pass romneycare nationally or by having states implement it on a state by state level.
The guy is a progressive who infiltrated the republican party. And as such I am glad we have this site to expose both Romney and Obama.
The other conservative sites out there seem to be in panic, confused mode. They can't let Obama win, but they know the base hates Romney too. But they don't go as far as this site has allowed us to attack Romney and the establishment.
They won't discuss the failure of the two party system and how the GOP is trying to lose the presidential election on puropse. They won't attack Karl Rove, Dick Morris and Sean Hannity, among others for hipocrisy and promotion of Romney and his lies.
They won't expose Fox News for the frauds they have become to some extent and the GOP talking points and orders by the RNC to promote Romney and only Romney thus killing off most voices who were vocally against Romney and the GOP establishment on the right. Such as Glenn Beck, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Joe Farah and so on.
They won't report on Sheriff Joe Arpaio's posse and their findings as well.
There is so much that is wrong and it is not the least funny. Therefore, I fear the GOP is closing in on a major collapse if they can't get a good and honest presidental candidate who will expose Obama and the Left and began to help fix the GOP from it evil ways.
So we are close to a meltdown. I am not exactly sure when it comes. One logical place would be if the GOP loses the presidential election and another would be if the infightining goes into the convention and yet another instance could be if more and more people start leaving the GOP and try to form a new party. I don't know.
Everything is on the table since the GOP has screwed this election cycle up royally. And they need to exposed.
So I thank this site for being able to expose the GOP for the fruads they have become. But i fear what I am seeing by reading the web, this site, posting and studying the situation is frankly the republican party collapse.
I think that the nomination of Romney, especially if Rubio is his running mate, will signal the death of the GOP. I also think that over the next 12 years you will see the rise of a 3rd party based on conservative and constitutional values. It will start immediately after this election - assuming there is an election.
The GOP is a damaged brand and a lost cause. Even if conservatives could take over the party, it would still be seen and portrayed as the party of the rich, bigoted homophobes. No one is going to listen to anything that comes out of the GOP - unless we happen to find another Reagan (good luck to us on that one).
We have to stop looking at this short-term. We’re trying to hold on to something that doesn’t exist and can’t be what we want it to be. We need to start planning a long-term replacement of the GOP. How long do we try to save this “marriage” before we finally recognize that it can’t be saved?
We must keep electing conservatives to the House and Senate, but we’re not likely to field a viable 3rd party candidate for a couple election cycles. If we just keep on doing what we’re doing, in 12 years we’re still going to be pissing and moaning about how the GOP isn’t listening to us. I would just as soon that the GOP, as a Party, be history and forgotten by then.
” get Obama out and take the next four years to change things”
I don’t want any changes that O or Romney will actual do.
That’s why I won’t vote for either.
I’d rather have a stalemate so nothing gets done.
4 more years of O w/a republican congress is a good tradeoff to not voting for Romney.
W/ Romney we will get a faux attempt at obamacare repeal, a real cap and trade, and probably an assault weapons ban.
The GOP has no understanding that they are the opposition party. In fact, I truly believe that the bluebloods yearn for the halycon days when they were a permanent majority with safe seats and invites to all the best dinner parties before Reagan came to town and ruined things for them.
There are still way too many people who do not despise this President, his lackeys in Congress and his policies. Four dollar gas alone should be enough to have Obama's approval numbers in the teens let alone his dismantling of the military and his move to regulate and control every aspect of our lives. What's going to wake them up between now and November?
Vote for Romney; get rid of Obama. Then get to work with Congress and State Legislatures to set the agenda. Romney is a politician; he will follow a course of lease resistance. Let's face it, he is has no ideology to speak of. He is relatively harmless when measured against Obama.
Republican Party = Whig Party
I disagree with 80% of what you wrote - because you present a recipe that will lead to conservatives loosing at the polls BIG TIME.
I am extremely disappointed that we are STUCK with Romney. But the writing was on the wall many many months ago - if we wanted a conservative to get ahead of Romney, we needed to consolidate our support to ONE candidate - but we never did. Over the initial primaries - it seemed that Romney might get 30%, and 70% were for a field of Newt, Santorum, Paul, etc. - and when spread out - each candidate not named Romney was less than Romney. WE SCREWED UP by having too many conservatives run against each other.
The results are in ...we are stuck with Romney. Any effort to make it NOT ROMNEY will destroy the Republican party and the nation. So we have several options:
Option 1: Make a concerted effort to go after a 3rd party conservative candidate. Keep pushing how Romney is as bad or worse than Obama, and pray for a miracle that has never happened in our nation’s history. Such an effort is doomed to failure - it will destroy the Republican party and the nation. It will also hurt efforts to take back the Senate and increase the number of conservatives in the House.
Option 2: Spend the next few months advertising that there will be an effort for a “floor fight” at the convention - which won’t work since Romney will have enough delegates to lock in the nomination, and almost all the other candidates have come out to support Romney. This is a wonderful thing to do if you support the Democrats. Rather than focusing on why Obama must be replaced and spending the effort to get conservatives elected at all levels, we can spend time trashing Romney - and give the Democrats more ammo to use during the general election.
Option 3 - we need to “suck it up” and work at the local level to get CONSERVATIVES elected to the House and Senate. If the conservatives increase in the House and Senate, we will get conservative bills put forward. If Romney nominates a “moderate” to be confirmed by the Senate (various positions in the Executive Branch or Judicial Nominations) - the conservatives can rally to oppose a bad candidate (like happened when Bush43 put forth the name Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court).
So ....you can decide which option you wish to pursue - and be willing to bear the responsibility for the consequences. Maybe next time around - we can encourage all conservatives that want to run to do something to select the best BEFORE the start of any primaries - with the agreement that all but one will drop out and endorse and support the one selected as the best. [For example - have a number of events throughout the country where each candidate presents him/herself, ideas, goals, etc. Maybe a debate between these candidates, and have a vote by attendees. Maybe do something on-line and have votes taken. In this modern age, with Al Gore’s internet, we certainly could come up with something better than what has happened in the past.]
Me - I will suck it up and support all the conservatives running in my state (the People’s Republic of Washington) - and most are never as conservative as I wish they were...put I understand that if they want to get elected, they have to soften some of the conservative positions that they hold. I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. Maybe he will select a true conservative to be his VP.
BUT - I am willing to give Romney the benefit of the doubt. He might act moderate to liberal to be elected as Governor of a liberal state....but as a businessman - HE KNOWS that this country is on the precipice of failing into a major depression unless good business decisions are made. He is both a politician and a businessman. If he doesn’t do the right thing, he won’t get re-elected, and Democrats will retake everything, and we will have a depression of the likes that will make the Great Depression look trivial. Romney will have to use his business acumen to save the country.
So - each of us has to choose whether we want to risk 4 more years of Obama by not supporting Romney - or suck it up and support Romney (and maybe work to change the process so we don’t keep getting stuck with the 30% candidate because the 70% vote goes to too many conservatives!)
The ABO crowd fails to see the gravity of the problem or understand how true conservbatives feel about voting for Romney.
Steady compasses remind us that at all times, in all places, when people react in fear and panic, they usually make bad choices they'd never have made if they were in their right minds.
The ABO mentality is understandable and normal as a first reaction.
I think folks like you and me have evaluated ABO and as time has allowed, seen that it's a desperate and stupid strategy. It's the elephant in the room: voting for the Republican is voting against our own moral and financial self-interest. Set in the context of All Powerful Omnipotent Oz Obama as the "alternative," it remains as true as ever: voting for Romney is voting against our self-interests.
In fact, a lot of us have been steadfastly holding our noses and voting for bad Republican in order to fight the very same things Romney embodies -- nationalized health care, on-demand abortion, gay "rights," global warming, and activist judges to twist law. We've been voting Republican all these years to FIGHT that stuff. It is absurd to vote for Romney. Plumb loco.
I know what my strategy will be if it's O vs R. I'll vote third party for the express purpose of driving the winner's plurality vote-count as low as possible. It's my duty to vote smart. Frankly, the best chance we've got is to make sure whichever bastard wins, has the majority of the vote count against him.
Wouldn’t surprise me if this turned out to be the year the R Potty disappeared...but whadda i know...
Tom Dilorenzo, etc have written on this for years...the D Potty will continue on as they have since time immemorial as always, under one name or another...the poor will always be with us...
One thing I believe we should do is to force all regulations put forward by the President and all laws passed by Congress to pass the test of whether or not they are Constitutionl, prior to becoming law. Not after the fact.
I hope a truly viable third-party candidate happens. JNoble has pointed out that conditions are uniquely aligned for a plurality win favoring conservatives.
But in the event it's a mish-mash with no clear or viable one to vote for, the General vote, even if it's to Pat Paulsen, speaks and sways influence.
“I dont see why any rational person would find it difficult to choose between ANY non-Obama candidate and the dog-eater.”
I don’t see why any rational person doesn’t realize we have divided government.
Obama in the white house w/a republic congress and senate may actually be better for the country because less will get done.
That’s not enough to get me to vote for O, it’s just a tradeoff I can accept.
I totally agree with you. Change has to take place over time. The democratic party was in the process of changing for decades before it became the current socialist monster that it is. The republican party will take time to change, but look at how much faster it is moving. Sure we might not have wanted “establishment Mitt” but consrevatives have had a huge impact in congress. They have a “Tea party caucus” and the tea party wasn’t even in existance in the previous election. I’d say that’s pretty good...so far. This is just the beginning not the end, we are just getting started.
But I believe you are overstating the case. The millions of Republicans and independents are not as ideologically driven as we are, most of them do not even know what has us so agitated. They are not political junkies and in their millions they do not read Free Republic, as influential as this forum is beyond its numbers.
They will look at Romney and see a telegenic personality who makes few gaffes and will do well enough in the debates and decide that he is a viable alternative to Obama whom they are eager to get rid of if they can safely do so. They will vote for him because he is "Presidential."
Today's employment numbers, confirmed by Rasmussen's polling on unemployment, about to be echoed Friday by the larger employment numbers for April, following on the heels of the downward revision of GDP, coupled with high gas prices at the pump, all spell defeat for the incumbent.
I think in retrospect you will see this moment as the turning point in the polls and all of those yellow states on the electoral college map will go to light blue and even the light blue states such as Pennsylvania and Wisconsin will turn yellow.
The Grand Old Party is not dead and finished yet. The spirit of 2010 is not dead either and neither are the reforms of 2010. We see evidence of this right now in Indiana and Utah, so Romney cannot do otherwise than take note and conform his electioneering and, hopefully, his governing accordingly. We are as a movement not imploding, we are indignant and rightly so, but conservatism will ultimately prevail against the elitists of the Republican Party.
In the meantime, it is well to understand that this country is hurtling toward a cliff, or, to change the metaphor, it is standing on the railroad tracks in the path of an onrushing debt crisis. We simply don't have five more years to ignore it and survive as a viable republican democracy. The numbers showing a shrinking GDP, a shrinking job market, shrinking small business climate, all tell us that the collision cannot be long avoided. We simply do not have five more years.
This is not the time to walk into the polling booth muttering: "I'll show you, I'll kill me."
1—We cannot survive another four years of BO
2— Even if the GOP keeps the House and wins a Filibuster proof Senate, BO will continue his destructive path.
Change will not come unless we fight this battle on all levels from local to state to federal. We cannot and will not take our country back until we take our neighborhoods and communities back.
We must fight from the bottom up. In the meantime we must preserve what we can at the federal level. My conscience tells me it is wrong to do anything to help Obama. It does not mean Romney would get a pass. I am sure I will be fighting him every step of the way should he win. I am prepared for that. But we need ABO if only as a placeholder while we work from the bottom up.
Everyone must follow their own hearts. Assuming Romney is the nominee, I don't understand voting 3rd party or not voting insuring a BO victory anymore than others understand my ABO position. It does not mean I am pro-Romney. I am anything but. We are all fighting the same war, but disagree on the best way to fight it.
Maybe I should add a third truth:
--3 As long as there is such animosity between the 2 groups, we are destined to fail.
I agree with you ....Please send money
“Actually both parties may implode.”
But where can the d potty go...???...you cannot go any lower than commie...
—I agree with you ....Please send money—
Part of my “life raft” is using every spare cent to buy junk silver. My money now goes into my land, my farm implements, special and general use buildings on it (just finished the chicken coop), tools to help stay self sufficient, water storage, and precious metals in small enough denominations to be useful along with lots of bullets and shotgun shells, mainly for hunting food around here (lots of deer and turkeys).
Excuse me. Why don't you cut-and-paste an example of "cleverly-shaded half-truth" with regard to the case against Romney.
Go ahead. Show where it's been spun.
Facts is fact, FRiend. Romney has a documented record of being pro:
-- Global warming cap-and-trade, and the eco-tyranny it represents
-- On-demand subsidized abortions (RomneyCare in Mass.)
-- Government-run health care with mandates
-- Forced acceptance of open homosexuality via gay "rights"
-- Appointing activist liberal judges to twist laws (see his record in Mass.)
Your "poll-tested lie and cleverly shaded half-truth" angle is make-believe. I don't know which would be worse for you, not knowing it or knowing it and still pressing on -- but it doesn't matter. Voting for Romney is as nuts as voting for Obama.
Objection! Arguing facts not in evidence.
How about we let Romeny have a term, and then if he's really just as bad as Obama, then I'll join you in voting Obama back in?