Skip to comments.Why the GOP is destined to Implode (vanity)
Posted on 05/02/2012 10:16:56 AM PDT by Mozilla
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I worte a bit too fast on the title. I meant to write destined and in the post I meant to write conservatives but misspelled. Thanks for everything.
Don’t give them any $$$.
If I really cared about who our president is in 2013 I’d be really concerned. But I don’t so I’m not.
The Titanic hit the iceberg. The water is up to C deck, and I really don’t care who the captain is any more. All I care about is finding more nails so I can build my family a life raft out of deck chairs.
We’re on our own, no matter who wins.
I disagree with this article in the sense that the GOP and the American people know that Obama has to go. Then change Congress so that control will be brought back to the people of this country. Again, control Congress and the states and you will control the President. But for not, go with Romney, get Obama out and take the next four years to change things. We can’t wait until an election to start changing things. If a third party is needed it has to start now. Either that or change the Republican party to what we want it to be.
Please remember that conservatives must vote this November, no matter what we think of the liberal from Massachusetts. We don’t have to vote for Romney, particularly in states that Obama is guaranteed to carry, but we have to vote. Whether we end up with a big government liberal like Obama in our White House or with a big government liberal like Romney in our White House, we need as conservative a Congress as possible to restrain the excesses of the administration. Vote!
Sure looks like time for a third party. But respected conservative leaders would have to get on board early for this to happen - maybe in time for 2016?
I think W was probably the last American President. I’m not sure what Obama is, but by 2016 he will be Chavez or Castro if he wins re-election.
It’s quite obvious at this point that the GOP is decadent and worthless. Look at their presumptive nominee. The only thing holding it together is a fear of Barack Obama, and let’s face it, that’s only going to be a motivating factor for the Republican partisans. For a lot of folks who aren’t beholden to the GOP, fear of Obama alone is not going be enough to motivate them. You have to give people a reason to vote FOR you, not just use wearisome scare tactics. Romney doesn’t give anybody a reason to vote FOR him. He drives off conservatives because he’s a progressive. And he doesn’t attract other progressives because they already have their guy sitting in the White House. When you get right down to it, the large bulk of Romney’s 44% that he’ll get on election day is going to be made up of that third of the country that formally identifies with the Republican Party, and who therefore thinks that they “have” to vote for him, no matter what.
Is your country not worth one last Hail Mary?
Well, I didn’t vote for the rino mcain, didn’t vote fot the rino dole, wished I had not voted for the rino elder bush. Problem is the establishment rino gop is to stupid to learn. But at least I sleep well...
Detsinty can scuk seomteims
I hope we can get a good congress that will hold Romney’s feet or Obama’s if he wins re-election.
The 2010 election gave us a start, but the GOP has been disappointing. They even turn their back on the HOuse contract pledge that they had trotted out after they wonm the elections in the House. And most people said it didn’t go far enough.
The whole situation is the speed with which we can get good people inc ongress. It is taking longer than planned because in the senate the tea party failed in various races in 2010.
I do hope we can keep the house and get a conservative senate. The congress is all that is left for us to aim for.
No matter what happens I see a fight, so the speak, brewing. The GOP ios not easily going to do what conservatievs wnat they have proved.
They seem to love Jeb Bushes, Mitt Romney’s, John Mccain’s and Lisa Murkowski’s. So it is not easy to steer them in the right direction.
Socialists are fighting with 20 year to 100 year vision. Conservatives feel defeated then elated every 2 years. We have got to stop this seesaw and continue the Tea Party movement XXXX 100. We are the majority. My only concern with POTUS is the nomination of judges. BUT that can be controlled in the house and senate.
Like your attitude RC2.
I hope we can get a good congress that will hold Romneys feet or Obamas if he wins re-election.
The 2010 election gave us a start, but the GOP has been disappointing. They even turn their back on the House contract pledge that they had trotted out after they wonm the elections in the House. And most people said it didnt go far enough.
The whole situation is the speed with which we can get good people in congress. It is taking longer than planned because in the senate the tea party failed in various races in 2010.
I do hope we can keep the house and get a conservative senate. The congress is all that is left for us to aim for.
No matter what happens I see a fight, so the speak, brewing. The GOP is not easily going to do what conservatievs wnat they have proved.
They seem to love Jeb Bushes, Mitt Romneys, John Mccains and Lisa Murkowskis. So it is not easy to steer them in the right direction.
Amen, Mozilla. Jim, THANK YOU SO MUCH for this wonderful website. I hope every other FReeper has joined me in contributing to the FReepathon.
Actually both parties may implode.
I am seeing all kinds of fault lines and fissures opening up on the Democrat side (Enviros vs. Unions, Blacks vs. Hispanics, DC Dems vs. State/Local Dems on Fracking, etc.)
Maybe the third time will be a charmer for the GOP IF they loose this year...let’s hope if they lose this one they won’t have another chance as a pary. Time for this Grand Ole Party to end. With Pappa Bush, Dole & McCain’s losses if Romney loses, the money should just stop flowing to them.
Last go around I gagged and voted for McCain only because of Palin who was the brightest light in that election. Dole got another gag wimpy vote from me-pathetic candidate the GOP gave us. Now, Romney. I’ll vote for him not because I am scared but because I don’t like what Obama is doing one bit. So in the meantime, in the TX primary I’ll vote or write in Newt and in Nov. I’ll puke before and after voting for Mitt. No money from my pocket in this cycle if he is the nominee.
I don’t see why any rational person would find it difficult to choose between ANY non-Obama candidate and the dog-eater.
We know what the dog-eater HAS done in his first term. And, thanks to his bungled handling of an “open mic”, we know what the dog-eater WANTS TO DO, if America’s most incompetent President EVER is re-elected.
So please don’t believe every poll-tested lie and every cleverly shaded half-truth deployed by the White House, as it tries to sow dissention among us patriots!
And please remember that “cutting off your nose to spite your face” is a form of madness...
I think that the nomination of Romney, especially if Rubio is his running mate, will signal the death of the GOP. I also think that over the next 12 years you will see the rise of a 3rd party based on conservative and constitutional values. It will start immediately after this election - assuming there is an election.
The GOP is a damaged brand and a lost cause. Even if conservatives could take over the party, it would still be seen and portrayed as the party of the rich, bigoted homophobes. No one is going to listen to anything that comes out of the GOP - unless we happen to find another Reagan (good luck to us on that one).
We have to stop looking at this short-term. We’re trying to hold on to something that doesn’t exist and can’t be what we want it to be. We need to start planning a long-term replacement of the GOP. How long do we try to save this “marriage” before we finally recognize that it can’t be saved?
We must keep electing conservatives to the House and Senate, but we’re not likely to field a viable 3rd party candidate for a couple election cycles. If we just keep on doing what we’re doing, in 12 years we’re still going to be pissing and moaning about how the GOP isn’t listening to us. I would just as soon that the GOP, as a Party, be history and forgotten by then.
” get Obama out and take the next four years to change things”
I don’t want any changes that O or Romney will actual do.
That’s why I won’t vote for either.
I’d rather have a stalemate so nothing gets done.
4 more years of O w/a republican congress is a good tradeoff to not voting for Romney.
W/ Romney we will get a faux attempt at obamacare repeal, a real cap and trade, and probably an assault weapons ban.
The GOP has no understanding that they are the opposition party. In fact, I truly believe that the bluebloods yearn for the halycon days when they were a permanent majority with safe seats and invites to all the best dinner parties before Reagan came to town and ruined things for them.
There are still way too many people who do not despise this President, his lackeys in Congress and his policies. Four dollar gas alone should be enough to have Obama's approval numbers in the teens let alone his dismantling of the military and his move to regulate and control every aspect of our lives. What's going to wake them up between now and November?
Vote for Romney; get rid of Obama. Then get to work with Congress and State Legislatures to set the agenda. Romney is a politician; he will follow a course of lease resistance. Let's face it, he is has no ideology to speak of. He is relatively harmless when measured against Obama.
Republican Party = Whig Party
I disagree with 80% of what you wrote - because you present a recipe that will lead to conservatives loosing at the polls BIG TIME.
I am extremely disappointed that we are STUCK with Romney. But the writing was on the wall many many months ago - if we wanted a conservative to get ahead of Romney, we needed to consolidate our support to ONE candidate - but we never did. Over the initial primaries - it seemed that Romney might get 30%, and 70% were for a field of Newt, Santorum, Paul, etc. - and when spread out - each candidate not named Romney was less than Romney. WE SCREWED UP by having too many conservatives run against each other.
The results are in ...we are stuck with Romney. Any effort to make it NOT ROMNEY will destroy the Republican party and the nation. So we have several options:
Option 1: Make a concerted effort to go after a 3rd party conservative candidate. Keep pushing how Romney is as bad or worse than Obama, and pray for a miracle that has never happened in our nation’s history. Such an effort is doomed to failure - it will destroy the Republican party and the nation. It will also hurt efforts to take back the Senate and increase the number of conservatives in the House.
Option 2: Spend the next few months advertising that there will be an effort for a “floor fight” at the convention - which won’t work since Romney will have enough delegates to lock in the nomination, and almost all the other candidates have come out to support Romney. This is a wonderful thing to do if you support the Democrats. Rather than focusing on why Obama must be replaced and spending the effort to get conservatives elected at all levels, we can spend time trashing Romney - and give the Democrats more ammo to use during the general election.
Option 3 - we need to “suck it up” and work at the local level to get CONSERVATIVES elected to the House and Senate. If the conservatives increase in the House and Senate, we will get conservative bills put forward. If Romney nominates a “moderate” to be confirmed by the Senate (various positions in the Executive Branch or Judicial Nominations) - the conservatives can rally to oppose a bad candidate (like happened when Bush43 put forth the name Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court).
So ....you can decide which option you wish to pursue - and be willing to bear the responsibility for the consequences. Maybe next time around - we can encourage all conservatives that want to run to do something to select the best BEFORE the start of any primaries - with the agreement that all but one will drop out and endorse and support the one selected as the best. [For example - have a number of events throughout the country where each candidate presents him/herself, ideas, goals, etc. Maybe a debate between these candidates, and have a vote by attendees. Maybe do something on-line and have votes taken. In this modern age, with Al Gore’s internet, we certainly could come up with something better than what has happened in the past.]
Me - I will suck it up and support all the conservatives running in my state (the People’s Republic of Washington) - and most are never as conservative as I wish they were...put I understand that if they want to get elected, they have to soften some of the conservative positions that they hold. I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. Maybe he will select a true conservative to be his VP.
BUT - I am willing to give Romney the benefit of the doubt. He might act moderate to liberal to be elected as Governor of a liberal state....but as a businessman - HE KNOWS that this country is on the precipice of failing into a major depression unless good business decisions are made. He is both a politician and a businessman. If he doesn’t do the right thing, he won’t get re-elected, and Democrats will retake everything, and we will have a depression of the likes that will make the Great Depression look trivial. Romney will have to use his business acumen to save the country.
So - each of us has to choose whether we want to risk 4 more years of Obama by not supporting Romney - or suck it up and support Romney (and maybe work to change the process so we don’t keep getting stuck with the 30% candidate because the 70% vote goes to too many conservatives!)
The ABO crowd fails to see the gravity of the problem or understand how true conservbatives feel about voting for Romney.
Steady compasses remind us that at all times, in all places, when people react in fear and panic, they usually make bad choices they'd never have made if they were in their right minds.
The ABO mentality is understandable and normal as a first reaction.
I think folks like you and me have evaluated ABO and as time has allowed, seen that it's a desperate and stupid strategy. It's the elephant in the room: voting for the Republican is voting against our own moral and financial self-interest. Set in the context of All Powerful Omnipotent Oz Obama as the "alternative," it remains as true as ever: voting for Romney is voting against our self-interests.
In fact, a lot of us have been steadfastly holding our noses and voting for bad Republican in order to fight the very same things Romney embodies -- nationalized health care, on-demand abortion, gay "rights," global warming, and activist judges to twist law. We've been voting Republican all these years to FIGHT that stuff. It is absurd to vote for Romney. Plumb loco.
I know what my strategy will be if it's O vs R. I'll vote third party for the express purpose of driving the winner's plurality vote-count as low as possible. It's my duty to vote smart. Frankly, the best chance we've got is to make sure whichever bastard wins, has the majority of the vote count against him.
Wouldn’t surprise me if this turned out to be the year the R Potty disappeared...but whadda i know...
Tom Dilorenzo, etc have written on this for years...the D Potty will continue on as they have since time immemorial as always, under one name or another...the poor will always be with us...
One thing I believe we should do is to force all regulations put forward by the President and all laws passed by Congress to pass the test of whether or not they are Constitutionl, prior to becoming law. Not after the fact.
I hope a truly viable third-party candidate happens. JNoble has pointed out that conditions are uniquely aligned for a plurality win favoring conservatives.
But in the event it's a mish-mash with no clear or viable one to vote for, the General vote, even if it's to Pat Paulsen, speaks and sways influence.
“I dont see why any rational person would find it difficult to choose between ANY non-Obama candidate and the dog-eater.”
I don’t see why any rational person doesn’t realize we have divided government.
Obama in the white house w/a republic congress and senate may actually be better for the country because less will get done.
That’s not enough to get me to vote for O, it’s just a tradeoff I can accept.
I totally agree with you. Change has to take place over time. The democratic party was in the process of changing for decades before it became the current socialist monster that it is. The republican party will take time to change, but look at how much faster it is moving. Sure we might not have wanted “establishment Mitt” but consrevatives have had a huge impact in congress. They have a “Tea party caucus” and the tea party wasn’t even in existance in the previous election. I’d say that’s pretty good...so far. This is just the beginning not the end, we are just getting started.
But I believe you are overstating the case. The millions of Republicans and independents are not as ideologically driven as we are, most of them do not even know what has us so agitated. They are not political junkies and in their millions they do not read Free Republic, as influential as this forum is beyond its numbers.
They will look at Romney and see a telegenic personality who makes few gaffes and will do well enough in the debates and decide that he is a viable alternative to Obama whom they are eager to get rid of if they can safely do so. They will vote for him because he is "Presidential."
Today's employment numbers, confirmed by Rasmussen's polling on unemployment, about to be echoed Friday by the larger employment numbers for April, following on the heels of the downward revision of GDP, coupled with high gas prices at the pump, all spell defeat for the incumbent.
I think in retrospect you will see this moment as the turning point in the polls and all of those yellow states on the electoral college map will go to light blue and even the light blue states such as Pennsylvania and Wisconsin will turn yellow.
The Grand Old Party is not dead and finished yet. The spirit of 2010 is not dead either and neither are the reforms of 2010. We see evidence of this right now in Indiana and Utah, so Romney cannot do otherwise than take note and conform his electioneering and, hopefully, his governing accordingly. We are as a movement not imploding, we are indignant and rightly so, but conservatism will ultimately prevail against the elitists of the Republican Party.
In the meantime, it is well to understand that this country is hurtling toward a cliff, or, to change the metaphor, it is standing on the railroad tracks in the path of an onrushing debt crisis. We simply don't have five more years to ignore it and survive as a viable republican democracy. The numbers showing a shrinking GDP, a shrinking job market, shrinking small business climate, all tell us that the collision cannot be long avoided. We simply do not have five more years.
This is not the time to walk into the polling booth muttering: "I'll show you, I'll kill me."
1—We cannot survive another four years of BO
2— Even if the GOP keeps the House and wins a Filibuster proof Senate, BO will continue his destructive path.
Change will not come unless we fight this battle on all levels from local to state to federal. We cannot and will not take our country back until we take our neighborhoods and communities back.
We must fight from the bottom up. In the meantime we must preserve what we can at the federal level. My conscience tells me it is wrong to do anything to help Obama. It does not mean Romney would get a pass. I am sure I will be fighting him every step of the way should he win. I am prepared for that. But we need ABO if only as a placeholder while we work from the bottom up.
Everyone must follow their own hearts. Assuming Romney is the nominee, I don't understand voting 3rd party or not voting insuring a BO victory anymore than others understand my ABO position. It does not mean I am pro-Romney. I am anything but. We are all fighting the same war, but disagree on the best way to fight it.
Maybe I should add a third truth:
--3 As long as there is such animosity between the 2 groups, we are destined to fail.
I agree with you ....Please send money
“Actually both parties may implode.”
But where can the d potty go...???...you cannot go any lower than commie...
—I agree with you ....Please send money—
Part of my “life raft” is using every spare cent to buy junk silver. My money now goes into my land, my farm implements, special and general use buildings on it (just finished the chicken coop), tools to help stay self sufficient, water storage, and precious metals in small enough denominations to be useful along with lots of bullets and shotgun shells, mainly for hunting food around here (lots of deer and turkeys).
Excuse me. Why don't you cut-and-paste an example of "cleverly-shaded half-truth" with regard to the case against Romney.
Go ahead. Show where it's been spun.
Facts is fact, FRiend. Romney has a documented record of being pro:
-- Global warming cap-and-trade, and the eco-tyranny it represents
-- On-demand subsidized abortions (RomneyCare in Mass.)
-- Government-run health care with mandates
-- Forced acceptance of open homosexuality via gay "rights"
-- Appointing activist liberal judges to twist laws (see his record in Mass.)
Your "poll-tested lie and cleverly shaded half-truth" angle is make-believe. I don't know which would be worse for you, not knowing it or knowing it and still pressing on -- but it doesn't matter. Voting for Romney is as nuts as voting for Obama.
Objection! Arguing facts not in evidence.
How about we let Romeny have a term, and then if he's really just as bad as Obama, then I'll join you in voting Obama back in?
So who elected the Bishop in the primaries? Who cast the votes? The evil Establishment? Not the base? It is a series question.
Romney may be the one thing worse than a lawyer-politician. Romney is an MBA politician. He's arrogant and ruthless, he thinks he's brilliant, and he plays hardball. For interesting insight, do a study of the attack styles and arguments of core Romney supporters. I promise you, it stands alone in its ugliness and deceit. It speaks volumes about Romney -- a politician, as you say.
As much as I dislike Romney...OBAMA MUST GO!...Then we can work on Romney!
Your premise is wrong. The GOP is not conservative or a party for smaller Gov't. It has been decades sine they were.
The idea that Romney is a RINO is absurd. He is what the GOP are.
It is the problem of GOP voters who suffer the Battered person syndrome. No matter how bad the GOP treats them, they still come back. Throw in the scares of the other guy is worse, and you have their strategy.
Nice meaty post, worthy of a print-out. Thanks.
Voted Republican since 1980. Never considered myself a Republican. Gave support to individual Republican candidates and will continue to do so, but now only to Conservatives in word and deed.
Never gave money to the GOP so they won’t miss me in the future, except of course all the votes for RINOs I might have given unwittingly.
I’m not used to reading a FR post saying, “Everybody’s lying! Nobody’s honest except me and Joe Arpaio!” If I believed this, I’d agree that both the GOP and our republic are doomed. Maybe they are. Before Fort Sumpter, Lincoln opined that the anger in the nation was so high that “the only way out would be through” to one side or the other prevailing. Maybe his opinion was right then, and again now. I hope you’re wrong, and I hope that a new Lincoln will arrive. I’ll hope, and stand firm on real thin hope.
In hopelessly Blue states Romney should not get one vote, but he will because people have a delude notion that if they don't vote for a winner they have thrown their vote away.
This election is the best opportunity we will have to raise up a protest vote in those bluer than blue states, but we won't. I most assuredly will die in a free country, but my grandchildren will very likely lose their freedom and never be free again.
I know a lot of patriots deny this reality, but by the time this comes about, it will be a lot like skynet. Since I am not a libertarian I believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, and this looks a lot like Revelation.
Yessss....Less will get done....
And less of the damage already suffered by America will be UNDONE.
Please don’t forget that Obama thinks that governing by Executice Order would be OK — maybe not Constitutional, but OK.
How many battalions does Congress control?
Because anyone who does this is thrown off the site as a pro-Romney advertiser.