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SEC. 31406. VEHICLE EVENT DATA RECORDERS, Senate Bill 1813 (Big Brother Watches Bill Passes Senate)
GovTrack ^ | Mar 14, 2012 | US Senate

Posted on 05/02/2012 11:16:14 AM PDT by xzins

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To: Jewbacca
the law does not prohibit removal

Not sure about that J. It reads:

the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part

It seems that it might depend on what part 563 of title 49 requires.

51 posted on 05/02/2012 7:12:37 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

Fellow technologically inclined Americans, do you see?


52 posted on 05/02/2012 9:24:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: xzins
It seems that it might depend on what part 563 of title 49 requires.

563.3 (Requirements:) Electronic Data Recorders
Each vehicle equipped with an EDR must meet the requirements specified in §563.7 for data elements, §563.8 for data format, §563.9 for data capture, §563.10 for crash test performance and survivability, and §563.11 for information in owner's manual.

563.7 - You'll want to check out Table 1.

563.9 Data Capture:
The EDR must capture and record the data elements for events in accordance with the following conditions and circumstances:
(a) In a frontal air bag deployment crash, capture and record the current deployment data. In a side or side curtain/tube air bag deployment crash, where lateral delta-V is recorded by the EDR, capture and record the current deployment data. The memory for the air bag deployment event must be locked to prevent any future overwriting of the data.
(b) In an event that does not meet the criteria in §563.9(a), capture and record the current event data, up to two events, subject to the following conditions:
(1) If an EDR non-volatile memory buffer void of previous-event data is available, the current event data is recorded in the buffer.
(2) If an EDR non-volatile memory buffer void of previous-event data is not available, the manufacturer may choose to either overwrite any previous event data that does not deploy an air bag with the current event data, or to not record the current event data.
(3) EDR buffers containing previous frontal, side, or side curtain/tube air bag deployment-event data must not be overwritten by the current event data.
.10's just about crash performance and .11 covers information in the owner's manual.
53 posted on 05/03/2012 4:57:00 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Renderofveils; Jewbacca
This section is troublesome:

§ 563.6 Requirements for vehicles. top Each vehicle equipped with an EDR must meet the requirements specified in §563.7 for data elements, §563.8 for data format, §563.9 for data capture, §563.10 for crash test performance and survivability, and §563.11 for information in owner's manual.

I can see a government lawyer easily construing that underlined section to mean that the vehicle is ALWAYS required to have that capability; ergo, that capability cannot be removed.

It does not say "cannot be removed", but saying "must meet the requirements" is very troublesome.

54 posted on 05/03/2012 5:30:29 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: xzins
I can see a government lawyer easily construing that underlined section to mean that the vehicle is ALWAYS required to have that capability; ergo, that capability cannot be removed.

Yep. Done rather simply by arguing the definition of "equipped" as meaning "initially installed on the vehicle" instead of "currently installed."
55 posted on 05/03/2012 5:39:16 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Grams A

Texas state law regarding EDRs

http://www.crashdataservices.net/files/Texas.pdf


56 posted on 05/03/2012 5:41:17 AM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: xzins

The long term goal is to tax you directly on how much you drive.


57 posted on 05/03/2012 6:09:05 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
tax...how much you drive

I agree, Redgolum. If you look at this Para 49, 563:

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=49:6.1.2.3.31&idno=49

The tables in that paragraph include everything but testing for your blood type. They'll be able to tax more than your miles. They'll be able to tax your hours and minutes, your locations, probably even the air you use.

58 posted on 05/03/2012 6:16:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: Venturer

You posted, in part: Wait until the Insurance companies start refusing to pay for your accident because you were in the wrong.
Hit a deer doing 10 mile over the limit. Tough jellybeans the Insurance won’t pay off.
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Not sure how I feel about the event recorders. They can also back up a safe driver’s story in the face of lies by another driver in an accident. But they have to be accurate.

Are we saying, by opposing the recorders, that we OUGHT to be able to drive unsafely and still have insurance cover our accidents? Should the relationship between driver and insurance company not be market-controlled? That’s what most conservatives believe in other contexts. Let me shop for a policy that will “give” me 10 mph over the limit (or buyer a rider for that), etc.

In a way this reminds me of the attacks against Linda Tripp for recording her phone calls with Lewinsky. The dems were not so much mad about the recording per se. Rather, they hated that they could not effectively destroy Tripp’s testimony. If event recorders are accurate, shouldn’t we support them— except for use as admissions by the government, I have big problems with that.


59 posted on 05/03/2012 6:23:31 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441

Well of course all of us are perfect and never make mistakes ,so why not have something monitoring us 24/7.


60 posted on 05/03/2012 10:07:01 AM PDT by Venturer
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