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How does one justify a vote for Romney?
www.freerepublic.com ^ | May 2, 2012 | NoRedTape

Posted on 05/02/2012 12:08:22 PM PDT by NoRedTape

With the foisted increased possibility of Mittens buying becoming the Nominee, can you actually justify voting for him in the general election?

This is what I am truly curious to find out.

Virgil Goode info" http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/

Gary Johnson info: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/about

Personally, at this moment, I simply cannot vote for Romney under any circumstance. I am also convinced that if Romney runs against Obama, Romney will lose massively.

I'd really be interested in your feedback, especially in terms of how you potentially plan to justify voting for Romney if he indeed becomes the Nominee.

Thank you,

NRT

 

 

 


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According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC) the leading cause of death in America is heart disease, with suicide ranking eleventh. [1] Compare that with what the Utah Department of Health says. They report the leading cause of death for males between the ages of 15-44 as suicide. The Utah External Injury Data System says that from 1992 to 1999 there were 7,713 suicides alone. Eleven of those were between the ages of 0-9 years of age. [2] The rate of suicide in Utah for females between the ages of 15-44 is four times the national average. With this being said, the CDC has been “unable to explain the regional variation of suicide”. About 20 percent of successful suicides have occurred in the 13-21 year old age bracket. The Utah Department of Health has declared it an “epidemic”. For the past four decades now, Utah has ranked in the top ten for numbers of suicides in the nation. [3] What is equally disturbing is that the other nine states are located in the intermountain west and Alaska. [4] Just think about this for a moment, you’ve got more than a handful of little people who have witnessed such horrific events in their short lives and have learned this is the only way out… Between 1996-8 the Office of Vital Records and Statistics reported that suicide accounts for 27 percent of deaths in intentional and unintentional deaths in Utah. There were 3,399 deaths in this category. That means there were more than 917 suicides in that two to three year time frame.

A news report on BYU NewsNet states Sterling C. Hilton, assistant professor in the statistics department, as saying “the natural tendency is to assume that since Utah has a predominantly Latter-day Saint population, (70% of the population is LDS), the church must contribute to the level of depression and suicides in Utah.” Newsnet said that Hilton and others performed a study that said just the opposite is true of what the statistics show. “No evidence suggests that church demands and pressures on its members account for the high suicide rate in Utah,” Hilton said. [5] This has to be one of the most insidious comments I have hear in a long time. How could there possibly not be any connections? I lived as a Mormon for 30 years. The demands i Mormonism are so great that it is nothing short of arrogance to assume that there isn’t a connection. The Mormon Church itse said in the book Eternal Man; ‘Suicide is just a change of scenery’. [6] Newsnet went on to say “the church activity level of the men studied was determined by whether or not they had the appropriate priesthood calling for their age. In other words, if a 16-year-old had been ordained to the office of a priest, he was considered active. The study does not account for the higher suicide rate in Utah overall, a statistic that has baffled sociologists for decades.” I truly believe that they need to bring in some objective mental health advisors to take a hard look at and tell them the truth, or better yet, call me!

It probably has something to do with the quest for godhood and knowing you can’t go to heaven if you’re not perfect. The following from Mormon Doctrine is just one example of what goes on in the mind of a typical Mormon: “Christ is the example. “He received a fullness of truth, yea, even of all truth” (D. & C. 93:26), so John tells us. That is, the attribute of truth was perfected in him in the eternal sense and there was not anything which he did not know. If men become perfect, they must do so on the same basis, progressing until they gain all truth, all knowledge, and all the attributes of Deity in their perfection. (D. & C. 93:20-28.) Only those who keep all the commandments and for whom the family unit continues in eternity will merit perfection. (D. & C. 131:1-4; 132:16-32.) This kind of perfection comes not by the Levitical Priesthood (Heb. 7:11), nor can we without our worthy dead attain unto this high status. (Heb. 11:40.)”. Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 568. Professor Hilton also emphasized the point that the “entire Intermountain West Region of seven or eight states has above-average suicide rates”, as if that justifies Utah. They quote Hilton as saying that Utah was at the lower end of the scale in the region”. That’s like telling one of my kids that I won’t punish them because their friend told the bigger lie! Can you just imagine if God worked on that kind of a scale? Where would you be in eternity?

Dan Judd, author of Religion, Mental Health, and the Latter-day Saints found that suicide rates at BYU are lower than other college campuses, and contends that it’s spurious to assume that depression or suicides are linked to the church. He also mentioned that “Nevada pulls the region much higher, and I think possibly westerners have more access to weapons and firearms”. [7] Perhaps it has something to do with the high usage of anti-depressants Mr. Judd. Eli-Lilly dispenses 62% more Prozac in Utah than any other state. More Utahns take Prozac-style drugs than in any other state, according to a study conducted in June of 2001 by Express Scripts, a pharmacy benefit management firm. [8] The study indicated that Utah residents average 1.1 prescriptions per person per year of medications such as Prozac, Zoloft, and Paxil. The national average is 0.7. “Oregon and Maine also had above average anti-depressant usage, but those states’ percentage of overcast days and average length of winter could explain the increased number of depressed residents,” said Jim Jorgenson, director of pharmacy services for the University of Utah. No such weather explanations exist in Utah, which has a high percentage of sunny days and average winter duration, he said.

Jorgenson said Utah women, the group accounting for the largest percentage of anti-depressant use, ‘are under larger amounts of stress than their counterparts in other states because of large family size in Utah’. He also said ‘some experts believe pressures on time and emotions could explain the high Prozac usage among Latter-day Saints’. Judd offered an additional hypothesis after stressing that Utah’s usage of anti-depressants does not indicate there is a higher lever of depression in the state. “Utahns are more educated per capita than residents of other states,” he said. “So instead of trying to ignore mental problems or medicate it on our own with alcohol or something else, we tend to seek professional help. We try to address our problems through legal legitimate ways.” [9] Many intelligent people get depressed. Depression doesn’t mean you’re stupid and what a stigma to place upon someone who deals with this personally! In addition, why the discrepancy between deaths that lead to eternal destruction, i.e. suicide and the ‘one and only true church’? Shouldn’t the Church be the ones to show the importance of life if they’re really the ‘only true church’? The so-called ‘experts’ that are taking a look at this have their heads in the sand on this one. This is not the way of escape! Suicide is certainly a change of scenery but it’s definitely not one that God would want for these people!

In an interview in the Deseret News, reporter James Thalman said; “Air Force Lt. Col. David Litts, a medical doctor and special assistant on suicide to the surgeon general, suggests that Utahns [sic] need to evaluate whether the culture is pro-treatment or stigmatizing, a key factor in the suicide rate. He also suggests taking a look at the local “faith systems…is there a way for people who think they have failed to be forgiven and get that second chance? Faiths need to find a way to let people gracefully re-establish themselves after they’ve made a mistake.” [10] So basically what this doctor has said is that they might want to take a look within the infrastructures of the Church. And because he probably can’t say it out loud for political reasons, I will; you have a higher chance of committing suicide if you’re a Mormon than if you live elsewhere or believe in anything else. It makes me fear for my family! What are the chances that they’ll get out alive? According to this report, they are slim. Seventy seven hundred people is the size of a decent sized town in America! And if this weren’t bad enough there’s even more bad news for Utah. The Department of Justice and the Bureau of Justice statistics released their annual reports on the national crime index for the nation. [11] Once again Utah didn’t score so well. Each time I do my research and reports on the crime index of violent crimes, namely forcible rape, Salt Lake City always reports in with an abnormally higher percentage rate. I ask the question again; why?

I compared Salt Lake City with four other metropolitan cities in the nation and their percentages of forcible rape. They are: Los Angeles, Seattle, New York City and Miami. The rates are based on a population per 100,000. Los Angeles: 36.9 Miami: 25.3 New York: 20.9 Seattle 26.2 Salt Lake City: 58.4 No folks, 58.4% is not a misprint! If living in the most ‘holy’ lands of Salt Lake Valley means being under mighty hand of God, then why are the statistics showing otherwise? UTAH RANKS 16 TH OUT OF 50 FOR MURE According to the Utah Domestic Violence Council, “in 2001, the national homicide rate among female victims murdered by males in single victim/single perpetrator incidents in the United States was 1.4 per 100,000. Utah’s rate was 23% higher than the national rate. In 2001, Utah ranked 16th in the United States in the rate of female victims murdered by males in single victim/ single perpetrator incidents. During that year, 18 of these homicides occurred. This is 1.7 homicides per 100,000 population.” In addition to this they also stated that “domestic violence is one of the fastest growing and most serious violent crimes in Utah today.” [12] Normally taking 16 th place wouldn’t be so bad, however this state supposedly has all the answers! The prophets have said that when ‘they speak, the thinking has been done’, (Ensign, 6/42).

Mike Haddon, research director at the Utah Commission of Criminal and Juvenile Justice is quoted on BYU Newsnet in regards to the forcible rape issue: “Is it a reporting issue or are there more victimizations here in Utah for some reason?” he said. “What is it about our culture that would make us more prone to be victims of this kind of crime, or are we more willing to report this kind of crime because of our culture? Those are answers that are really difficult to get at… Utah is lower than the national average in other violent crimes’. [13] As I stated before, this does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out! How can you possibly believe that what you are studying at home for your foundation of faith and life not lead to these kinds of statistics? If you believe that a man’s only way to heaven is through becoming a god and the only way to godhood is having multiple wives then doesn’t that drive the urge for male dominance out of control? When you’re told as a woman that it’s best to stay home with all of the kids, have a perfect home for your husband to come home to, be up to your elbows in flour when your kids get home from school, wouldn’t that drive you to be contemplating suicide? ‘That exaltation which the saints of all ages have so devoutly sought is godhood itself. Godhood is to have the character, possess the attributes, and enjoy the perfections which the Father has. It is to do what he does, have the powers resident in him, and live as he lives, having eternal increase.’ Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 321.

We are begging the people of Utah to rethink their beliefs. By showing in a concise manner the statistics of rape, suicide an other problems within the boundaries of the ‘Zion Curtain’ hopefully it’ll wake up the people. 1 –http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm -CDC 2 –Utah Department of Health statistics. 3 –Utah Department of Health. John A. Workman, B.A., Will McMahon, M.D Douglas D. Gray, M.D., Jennifer S. Achilles, M.A 4 –CDC Data wonderbase 5 –BYU NewsNet 6 –Truman G. Madsen, Eternal Man, [Salt Lake City: Dese Book Co., 1966], 26. 7 –Troy Goodman, Salt Lake Tribune/Scripps Howard Ne Service 8 –ibid 9 –BYU NewsNet 10 –Deseret News, reported by James Thalman, April 16, 2002 11 –Bureau of Justice Statistics Data Online –www.ojp.usdoj. 12 –Utah Domestic Violence Council 2004 Annual Report 13 –BYU Newsnet, as reported by Julie Cunningham, Oct. 2002

Source: Lifeafter.org


221 posted on 05/02/2012 4:37:08 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (Men who stand firm against an army of thousands, run when a tiger appears among them. ~ShirKhan~)
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To: Tennessee Nana; LibertarianLiz
A couple of comments from Mitt Romney.
"I will never apologize for America," Romney says often – suggesting that Obama has done just that, even though the president hasn't.

Romney also emphasizes what he calls his belief that America is exceptional – implying that his Democratic rival has a different view even though Obama has said that he sees the country as exceptional, too. All that plays to a belief in conservative circles that Obama has traveled the country making excuses for America's involvement in foreign countries.

"We have a president who I don't think understands the nature of America, the power of opportunity and freedom," Romney told a crowd in Derry, N.H., last month. "I want to bring these things back to America so we have a brighter future for our kids."

During an appearance in North Liberty, Iowa, Romney said: "The president said he wants to fundamentally transform America. . I kind of like America. I'm not looking for it to be fundamentally transformed into something else. I don't want it to become like Europe." It's a comment he's repeatedly made.

In some cases, Romney gets corny and he repeatedly combines the lines with a story about how his parents drove him across the country in the family Rambler to see America's national parks.

"I love the founding documents," the candidate says frequently before crowds as he quotes from the Declaration of Independence. "I love the Constitution!" is another Romney favorite. That includes, by the way, everything that's been added to it. "I love all the amendments!" he said in September. "I love the Second Amendment. I love the 10th Amendment."

Mitt Romney Emphasizes Patriotism Frequently On Campaign Trail

Mitt Romney has been called corny for singing America the Beautiful on the campaign trail.

222 posted on 05/02/2012 4:53:23 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: AnTiw1

Holy shit. Glad I got over the guilt. I have known personally a few beautiful Mormon women that had affairs and killed themselves because of such guilt. Also a couple of young men that couldn’t measure up to the expectations you have talked about.

Strange and controlling cult really does a number on good people.


223 posted on 05/02/2012 4:55:42 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: CatherineofAragon

yes that ann coulter. i do not accept everything, i do listen and not judge uncritically. i also realize people can and do change. reagan used to be a democrat, for goodness sake.


224 posted on 05/02/2012 5:21:26 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: NoRedTape

I’m going to write in Bob Dole.


225 posted on 05/02/2012 5:27:45 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Utah Girl

Yes but both the 2nd and the 10th Amendments were already part of the Constitution during Joey Smiths lifetime...

Its the Amendments since that the Mormons object to and say have destroyed the document...

Items like US citieznship for former black slaves and their descendants

Full US citizenship for Native Americans

the vote for blacks,

the vote for women

Civil rights for all

etc

These are the things that are different now about the Constitution..

Other than the safe talking points that somebody fed to him that you mentioned

Willie Mitty has never said a thing about the additions since 1844

To him and other TBMs the Constitution is “hanging by a thread” and Willie must rush in and save it

and RESTORE it and the country back to where they were during Joey Smiths lifetime...

Ask him to explain why things need to be RESTORED

ask him what is it that must be RESTORED

Ask him what is it that his fathers believced...

(What exactly is “the faith of my fathers”

Remember his fathers faith goes back several generations to the first Mormon Romneys in 1820-30

He claims to believe all that they believed..

That would include the hatred of America and raging war against her and the US government and the blood oathes of vengence for the death of Joey Smith)

The white horse prophecy...only the Mormons can save the Constitution...

Theyve been trying to get a Mormon in the White house to rulle over us since the first Mormon Joey Smith himself ran for president in 1844


226 posted on 05/02/2012 5:29:04 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: HwyChile
you so called southern white trash Christians do. It really gives the south a bad name that you people exist.

I believe this is a good example of team romney's real attitude to christian conservatives, southern or otherwise.

227 posted on 05/02/2012 5:35:00 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: Tennessee Nana
I've been here since April 1998. You are now the second person to tell me that I'm going to be canned. I don't think so. It was for the same reason, too.

If Jim Robinson wants me gone, that's up to him; but, I think I should be able to give my opinion in a civil matter and not be threatened with expulsion simply because I'm not in line with some of the other Freepers on this one issue.

Are we now Democrats who won't abide someone with a differing opinion?

228 posted on 05/02/2012 5:35:48 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: NoRedTape

Goode or the two evils. That’s all she wrote.


229 posted on 05/02/2012 5:41:16 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Utah Girl

Mitt Romney has been called corny for singing America the Beautiful on the campaign trail.
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Well yes I can see where he would say that

hes not used to singing it and he just learnt the corny words for the first time on this trip

he never sang it in 2008 on the campaign trail...

Though its a first time Ive ever heard such an insult about a patriotic sone..

Most people love the song..the words mean something to Americans

Since its not something he normally does he gets told its strange

and yes the other Romneys would mock about the song...

people who are ashamed of America and have no pride wouldnt like that song

Its too down home

its too flyover country

Its too American...

Nobody has yet told me why they imagine Willard Mitt Romney “loves” America..

BTW you did take into account that he is a TWO Time draft dodger didnt you ???


230 posted on 05/02/2012 5:45:30 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: LibertarianLiz

You are now the second person to tell me that I’m going to be canned.
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WHAAAAAAAAAATTT ???????

Kid you must have a perscecution complex

I never told you you were going to get “canned”

You want to cry victim or something ???

Poor little you ???


231 posted on 05/02/2012 5:48:11 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana

So you don’t think the Constitution is hanging by a thread? I do. I don’t believe in the White Horse prophecy, but I do believe good men will come to the rescue of the US Constitution. The hearts of many Americans need to be changed before the government can be changed. Entitlement, moral relativism.

I have more to say, but I have plans tonight. I will post late tonight about what Romney will do during his term as President.


232 posted on 05/02/2012 5:54:06 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: LibertarianLiz

Are we now Democrats who won’t abide someone with a differing opinion?
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Well your matinee idol Willie Mitty has voted Democrat

so maybe you are...

No Conservative would support a pro-abortion liberal like Willie...

and you never were able to come up with why you think Willard Mitt Romney doesnt hate America...

Unreasonable idol worship of Willie..

Sounds very Democrat to me...

BTW this is where we came in

My post @176 to you FOUR HOURS ago...

Willard Mitt Romney..

LL: But, I believe this man loves his country and likes the American people.
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Nana: How did you come to that conclusion ???

Why do you believe that ???


233 posted on 05/02/2012 5:55:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Utah Girl

So you don’t think the Constitution is hanging by a thread? I do....

....I do believe good men will come to the rescue of the US Constitution.
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and why do you believe that ???

and why must they be men ???

Whats wrong with te Constution that it needs changing and “saving” ???

and we already know what Romney will do if he ever got in the White House..


234 posted on 05/02/2012 5:59:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: NoRedTape

I have been told that my not voting for Romney is tantamount to a vote for Obama. I’m sure there are people on the other side of the spectrum who will tell me that my not voting for Obama is tantamount to a vote for Romney.

If there is any logic to those arguments, then my not voting for either Obama or Romney is tantamount to one vote for each of them, giving me two votes for President. If I am offered a legal way to vote twice, why shouldn’t I take advantage of that offer?

I’ll use my two votes to vote for neither Obama nor Romney this November.

And, I’ll leave the rest to God.


235 posted on 05/02/2012 6:02:45 PM PDT by Tau Food
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To: KalaSamy

All I can say is that it gives me cold shivers to think the headlines will read Obama reelected on the day after the elections!


236 posted on 05/02/2012 6:03:11 PM PDT by longhorn too
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To: NoRedTape

It’s amazing to me that many here intend to vote conserative down ticket but abstain or vote 3rd party for the presidential election. Let’s just assume that they get what they want...a “conservative” (read Republican) control of the House and Senate. For four years then what? No roll back of Obamacare, not enough votes to sustain an impeachment, veto of anything conservative. By the time you get to vote for President again who knows what the mood of the country will be?

Contrast that with the winning of the House, Senate and Presidency...just for two years. Imagine what can be turned back...yes...even with Romney as President.


237 posted on 05/02/2012 6:08:27 PM PDT by BamaBlue
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To: Tenacious 1

“But I am humble enough to swallow my pride, take this hill, try and win this battle so that we may continue to fight battles in the future.”

Some people don’t understand battlefield tactics. You do. There’s a tiny number of smugly arrogant Phillistines who place their own stupid pride above family, country and freedom.


238 posted on 05/02/2012 6:12:14 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: longhorn too

God wont fall off His throne that day either way...

I’ll just get up and eat breakfasst...


239 posted on 05/02/2012 6:29:11 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: BamaBlue

No roll back of Obamacare,
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Neither Obama nor Willie Mitty intend to “roll back of Obamacare,”


240 posted on 05/02/2012 6:33:27 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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