Skip to comments.How does one justify a vote for Romney?
Posted on 05/02/2012 12:08:22 PM PDT by NoRedTape
With the foisted increased possibility of Mittens
buying becoming the Nominee, can you actually justify voting for him in the general election?
This is what I am truly curious to find out.
Virgil Goode info" http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/
Gary Johnson info: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/about
Personally, at this moment, I simply cannot vote for Romney under any circumstance. I am also convinced that if Romney runs against Obama, Romney will lose massively.
I'd really be interested in your feedback, especially in terms of how you potentially plan to justify voting for Romney if he indeed becomes the Nominee.
This crowd running Romney have got to be delusional.
Jim already beat you to it ;)
Your travelin buddie HWYCHILE just got iced...
Now, is he a patriot?
Frankly I don't think that thought has ever flitted through his mind but one of his speechwriters may have put some of that in one of his speeches.
What you need to worry about most with Mitt is that ALL of his closest supporters are KNOWN liars and cheaters, and the whole crowd tolerates a degree of unethical campaign rarely known in American political history ~ rather minds me of a much more hardcore Obama ~
He is set to run a campaign that will totally destroy the Republican party.
That was fast. He did use the WT word ~ but besides lambasting Christians (typical anti-Christian trick, not wholly unexpected with these guys), he misspelt ‘Souvr’n’ ‘n that is just unforgiveable.
We’uns took afense
I had shoes on today and he wearnt a bit nice..
Thank you for the kind words.
I’m coming in late on this, but speaking for myself, I can’t justify voting for Romney. He’s a liberal, and that’s simple fact. He has blood on his hands from the cheap abortions he instituted in MA, and he has a history of cuddling up to homosexuals. I’m a Christian, and though I am faaaaar from perfect, I feel strongly convicted on this. I’ve prayed, and I believe I have confirmation.
I just can’t look Jesus in the eye when I meet Him if I take part in choosing that man as leader of this nation. It’s too grave an issue.
It has an 'R' next to it. It must be real!
You know, I'm damned sick and tired of these screeching accusations of "bigotry" just because someone dares to tell the truth about Mormonism. It's the new meme all of a sudden, and it's very clumsy and easy to see through. The only time you see this kind of thing is from atheistic liberals....until now.
Mormonism is not Christianity. It's a cult. If you don't like seeing that hard truth, skip the offending post. But yelping "bigot" every time someone tells the truth isn't going to shut people up. Go spread that word.
I simply cannot vote for anyone who doesn’t represent at least most of my conscience. I have to be true to what I stand for. And it is not Mitt Romney.
Romney made it possible for women in Massachusetts to get cheap abortions. They're still doing it today. That's evil, no matter how you slice it.
Ann Coulter? The same Ann Coulter who wrote a column titled "Three Cheers for Romneycare?" The same Ann Coulter who said not long ago that if we nominated Romney he would lose? Yes, it's a good idea to let talking heads influence your vote.
......Look,... a candidate whose own supporters have to start every sentence with, Yeah, I hate him too, but... is doomed..”.... it’s not Rocket Science. (Quote)
A general dissolution ‘of principles’ and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. .....While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued;... but when once they lose their virtue... then “will be ready to surrender” their liberties’ to the first external or internal invader”. ............Samuel Adams
“I see someone who believes in capitalism and the way it helps all people climb the ladder for a better life.”
That just about says it all. My bottom line.
But so far he hasn't come up with anything that's going to benefit me, or my kids or grandkids, or my neighbors, relatives in other states, or even the country.
He did tolerate his mind-numbed MIttbot followers cheating in the primary in this state (VIrginia) and a guy who will tolerate open election corruption will tolerate any sort of evil that follows.
We sided with the Russians in WWII, by which time Stalin had already killed how many millions?
At least Romney is American.
If he gets this economy back to free market principles that I believe he understands, It’s going to help me and my family for sure. I’m a small businessman, and another four year slog with Obama on my back does not seem helpful to me our my family.
According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC) the leading cause of death in America is heart disease, with suicide ranking eleventh.  Compare that with what the Utah Department of Health says. They report the leading cause of death for males between the ages of 15-44 as suicide. The Utah External Injury Data System says that from 1992 to 1999 there were 7,713 suicides alone. Eleven of those were between the ages of 0-9 years of age.  The rate of suicide in Utah for females between the ages of 15-44 is four times the national average. With this being said, the CDC has been unable to explain the regional variation of suicide. About 20 percent of successful suicides have occurred in the 13-21 year old age bracket. The Utah Department of Health has declared it an epidemic. For the past four decades now, Utah has ranked in the top ten for numbers of suicides in the nation.  What is equally disturbing is that the other nine states are located in the intermountain west and Alaska.  Just think about this for a moment, youve got more than a handful of little people who have witnessed such horrific events in their short lives and have learned this is the only way out Between 1996-8 the Office of Vital Records and Statistics reported that suicide accounts for 27 percent of deaths in intentional and unintentional deaths in Utah. There were 3,399 deaths in this category. That means there were more than 917 suicides in that two to three year time frame.
A news report on BYU NewsNet states Sterling C. Hilton, assistant professor in the statistics department, as saying the natural tendency is to assume that since Utah has a predominantly Latter-day Saint population, (70% of the population is LDS), the church must contribute to the level of depression and suicides in Utah. Newsnet said that Hilton and others performed a study that said just the opposite is true of what the statistics show. No evidence suggests that church demands and pressures on its members account for the high suicide rate in Utah,” Hilton said.  This has to be one of the most insidious comments I have hear in a long time. How could there possibly not be any connections? I lived as a Mormon for 30 years. The demands i Mormonism are so great that it is nothing short of arrogance to assume that there isnt a connection. The Mormon Church itse said in the book Eternal Man; Suicide is just a change of scenery.  Newsnet went on to say the church activity level of the men studied was determined by whether or not they had the appropriate priesthood calling for their age. In other words, if a 16-year-old had been ordained to the office of a priest, he was considered active. The study does not account for the higher suicide rate in Utah overall, a statistic that has baffled sociologists for decades. I truly believe that they need to bring in some objective mental health advisors to take a hard look at and tell them the truth, or better yet, call me!
It probably has something to do with the quest for godhood and knowing you cant go to heaven if youre not perfect. The following from Mormon Doctrine is just one example of what goes on in the mind of a typical Mormon: Christ is the example. “He received a fullness of truth, yea, even of all truth” (D. & C. 93:26), so John tells us. That is, the attribute of truth was perfected in him in the eternal sense and there was not anything which he did not know. If men become perfect, they must do so on the same basis, progressing until they gain all truth, all knowledge, and all the attributes of Deity in their perfection. (D. & C. 93:20-28.) Only those who keep all the commandments and for whom the family unit continues in eternity will merit perfection. (D. & C. 131:1-4; 132:16-32.) This kind of perfection comes not by the Levitical Priesthood (Heb. 7:11), nor can we without our worthy dead attain unto this high status. (Heb. 11:40.). Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 568. Professor Hilton also emphasized the point that the entire Intermountain West Region of seven or eight states has above-average suicide rates, as if that justifies Utah. They quote Hilton as saying that Utah was at the lower end of the scale in the region. Thats like telling one of my kids that I wont punish them because their friend told the bigger lie! Can you just imagine if God worked on that kind of a scale? Where would you be in eternity?
Dan Judd, author of Religion, Mental Health, and the Latter-day Saints found that suicide rates at BYU are lower than other college campuses, and contends that it’s spurious to assume that depression or suicides are linked to the church. He also mentioned that Nevada pulls the region much higher, and I think possibly westerners have more access to weapons and firearms.  Perhaps it has something to do with the high usage of anti-depressants Mr. Judd. Eli-Lilly dispenses 62% more Prozac in Utah than any other state. More Utahns take Prozac-style drugs than in any other state, according to a study conducted in June of 2001 by Express Scripts, a pharmacy benefit management firm.  The study indicated that Utah residents average 1.1 prescriptions per person per year of medications such as Prozac, Zoloft, and Paxil. The national average is 0.7. “Oregon and Maine also had above average anti-depressant usage, but those states’ percentage of overcast days and average length of winter could explain the increased number of depressed residents,” said Jim Jorgenson, director of pharmacy services for the University of Utah. No such weather explanations exist in Utah, which has a high percentage of sunny days and average winter duration, he said.
Jorgenson said Utah women, the group accounting for the largest percentage of anti-depressant use, are under larger amounts of stress than their counterparts in other states because of large family size in Utah. He also said some experts believe pressures on time and emotions could explain the high Prozac usage among Latter-day Saints. Judd offered an additional hypothesis after stressing that Utah’s usage of anti-depressants does not indicate there is a higher lever of depression in the state. “Utahns are more educated per capita than residents of other states,” he said. “So instead of trying to ignore mental problems or medicate it on our own with alcohol or something else, we tend to seek professional help. We try to address our problems through legal legitimate ways.”  Many intelligent people get depressed. Depression doesnt mean youre stupid and what a stigma to place upon someone who deals with this personally! In addition, why the discrepancy between deaths that lead to eternal destruction, i.e. suicide and the one and only true church? Shouldnt the Church be the ones to show the importance of life if theyre really the only true church? The so-called experts that are taking a look at this have their heads in the sand on this one. This is not the way of escape! Suicide is certainly a change of scenery but its definitely not one that God would want for these people!
In an interview in the Deseret News, reporter James Thalman said; Air Force Lt. Col. David Litts, a medical doctor and special assistant on suicide to the surgeon general, suggests that Utahns [sic] need to evaluate whether the culture is pro-treatment or stigmatizing, a key factor in the suicide rate. He also suggests taking a look at the local “faith systems is there a way for people who think they have failed to be forgiven and get that second chance? Faiths need to find a way to let people gracefully re-establish themselves after they’ve made a mistake.  So basically what this doctor has said is that they might want to take a look within the infrastructures of the Church. And because he probably cant say it out loud for political reasons, I will; you have a higher chance of committing suicide if youre a Mormon than if you live elsewhere or believe in anything else. It makes me fear for my family! What are the chances that theyll get out alive? According to this report, they are slim. Seventy seven hundred people is the size of a decent sized town in America! And if this werent bad enough theres even more bad news for Utah. The Department of Justice and the Bureau of Justice statistics released their annual reports on the national crime index for the nation.  Once again Utah didnt score so well. Each time I do my research and reports on the crime index of violent crimes, namely forcible rape, Salt Lake City always reports in with an abnormally higher percentage rate. I ask the question again; why?
I compared Salt Lake City with four other metropolitan cities in the nation and their percentages of forcible rape. They are: Los Angeles, Seattle, New York City and Miami. The rates are based on a population per 100,000. Los Angeles: 36.9 Miami: 25.3 New York: 20.9 Seattle 26.2 Salt Lake City: 58.4 No folks, 58.4% is not a misprint! If living in the most holy lands of Salt Lake Valley means being under mighty hand of God, then why are the statistics showing otherwise? UTAH RANKS 16 TH OUT OF 50 FOR MURE According to the Utah Domestic Violence Council, in 2001, the national homicide rate among female victims murdered by males in single victim/single perpetrator incidents in the United States was 1.4 per 100,000. Utahs rate was 23% higher than the national rate. In 2001, Utah ranked 16th in the United States in the rate of female victims murdered by males in single victim/ single perpetrator incidents. During that year, 18 of these homicides occurred. This is 1.7 homicides per 100,000 population. In addition to this they also stated that domestic violence is one of the fastest growing and most serious violent crimes in Utah today.  Normally taking 16 th place wouldnt be so bad, however this state supposedly has all the answers! The prophets have said that when they speak, the thinking has been done, (Ensign, 6/42).
Mike Haddon, research director at the Utah Commission of Criminal and Juvenile Justice is quoted on BYU Newsnet in regards to the forcible rape issue: “Is it a reporting issue or are there more victimizations here in Utah for some reason?” he said. “What is it about our culture that would make us more prone to be victims of this kind of crime, or are we more willing to report this kind of crime because of our culture? Those are answers that are really difficult to get at Utah is lower than the national average in other violent crimes.  As I stated before, this does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out! How can you possibly believe that what you are studying at home for your foundation of faith and life not lead to these kinds of statistics? If you believe that a mans only way to heaven is through becoming a god and the only way to godhood is having multiple wives then doesnt that drive the urge for male dominance out of control? When youre told as a woman that its best to stay home with all of the kids, have a perfect home for your husband to come home to, be up to your elbows in flour when your kids get home from school, wouldnt that drive you to be contemplating suicide? That exaltation which the saints of all ages have so devoutly sought is godhood itself. Godhood is to have the character, possess the attributes, and enjoy the perfections which the Father has. It is to do what he does, have the powers resident in him, and live as he lives, having eternal increase. Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 321.
We are begging the people of Utah to rethink their beliefs. By showing in a concise manner the statistics of rape, suicide an other problems within the boundaries of the Zion Curtain hopefully itll wake up the people. 1 http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm -CDC 2 Utah Department of Health statistics. 3 Utah Department of Health. John A. Workman, B.A., Will McMahon, M.D Douglas D. Gray, M.D., Jennifer S. Achilles, M.A 4 CDC Data wonderbase 5 BYU NewsNet 6 Truman G. Madsen, Eternal Man, [Salt Lake City: Dese Book Co., 1966], 26. 7 Troy Goodman, Salt Lake Tribune/Scripps Howard Ne Service 8 ibid 9 BYU NewsNet 10 Deseret News, reported by James Thalman, April 16, 2002 11 Bureau of Justice Statistics Data Online www.ojp.usdoj. 12 Utah Domestic Violence Council 2004 Annual Report 13 BYU Newsnet, as reported by Julie Cunningham, Oct. 2002
"I will never apologize for America," Romney says often suggesting that Obama has done just that, even though the president hasn't.Mitt Romney Emphasizes Patriotism Frequently On Campaign Trail
Romney also emphasizes what he calls his belief that America is exceptional implying that his Democratic rival has a different view even though Obama has said that he sees the country as exceptional, too. All that plays to a belief in conservative circles that Obama has traveled the country making excuses for America's involvement in foreign countries.
"We have a president who I don't think understands the nature of America, the power of opportunity and freedom," Romney told a crowd in Derry, N.H., last month. "I want to bring these things back to America so we have a brighter future for our kids."
During an appearance in North Liberty, Iowa, Romney said: "The president said he wants to fundamentally transform America. . I kind of like America. I'm not looking for it to be fundamentally transformed into something else. I don't want it to become like Europe." It's a comment he's repeatedly made.
In some cases, Romney gets corny and he repeatedly combines the lines with a story about how his parents drove him across the country in the family Rambler to see America's national parks.
"I love the founding documents," the candidate says frequently before crowds as he quotes from the Declaration of Independence. "I love the Constitution!" is another Romney favorite. That includes, by the way, everything that's been added to it. "I love all the amendments!" he said in September. "I love the Second Amendment. I love the 10th Amendment."
Mitt Romney has been called corny for singing America the Beautiful on the campaign trail.
Holy shit. Glad I got over the guilt. I have known personally a few beautiful Mormon women that had affairs and killed themselves because of such guilt. Also a couple of young men that couldn’t measure up to the expectations you have talked about.
Strange and controlling cult really does a number on good people.
yes that ann coulter. i do not accept everything, i do listen and not judge uncritically. i also realize people can and do change. reagan used to be a democrat, for goodness sake.
I’m going to write in Bob Dole.
Yes but both the 2nd and the 10th Amendments were already part of the Constitution during Joey Smiths lifetime...
Its the Amendments since that the Mormons object to and say have destroyed the document...
Items like US citieznship for former black slaves and their descendants
Full US citizenship for Native Americans
the vote for blacks,
the vote for women
Civil rights for all
These are the things that are different now about the Constitution..
Other than the safe talking points that somebody fed to him that you mentioned
Willie Mitty has never said a thing about the additions since 1844
To him and other TBMs the Constitution is “hanging by a thread” and Willie must rush in and save it
and RESTORE it and the country back to where they were during Joey Smiths lifetime...
Ask him to explain why things need to be RESTORED
ask him what is it that must be RESTORED
Ask him what is it that his fathers believced...
(What exactly is “the faith of my fathers”
Remember his fathers faith goes back several generations to the first Mormon Romneys in 1820-30
He claims to believe all that they believed..
That would include the hatred of America and raging war against her and the US government and the blood oathes of vengence for the death of Joey Smith)
The white horse prophecy...only the Mormons can save the Constitution...
Theyve been trying to get a Mormon in the White house to rulle over us since the first Mormon Joey Smith himself ran for president in 1844
I believe this is a good example of team romney's real attitude to christian conservatives, southern or otherwise.
If Jim Robinson wants me gone, that's up to him; but, I think I should be able to give my opinion in a civil matter and not be threatened with expulsion simply because I'm not in line with some of the other Freepers on this one issue.
Are we now Democrats who won't abide someone with a differing opinion?
Goode or the two evils. That’s all she wrote.
Mitt Romney has been called corny for singing America the Beautiful on the campaign trail.
Well yes I can see where he would say that
hes not used to singing it and he just learnt the corny words for the first time on this trip
he never sang it in 2008 on the campaign trail...
Though its a first time Ive ever heard such an insult about a patriotic sone..
Most people love the song..the words mean something to Americans
Since its not something he normally does he gets told its strange
and yes the other Romneys would mock about the song...
people who are ashamed of America and have no pride wouldnt like that song
Its too down home
its too flyover country
Its too American...
Nobody has yet told me why they imagine Willard Mitt Romney “loves” America..
BTW you did take into account that he is a TWO Time draft dodger didnt you ???
You are now the second person to tell me that I’m going to be canned.
Kid you must have a perscecution complex
I never told you you were going to get “canned”
You want to cry victim or something ???
Poor little you ???
So you don’t think the Constitution is hanging by a thread? I do. I don’t believe in the White Horse prophecy, but I do believe good men will come to the rescue of the US Constitution. The hearts of many Americans need to be changed before the government can be changed. Entitlement, moral relativism.
I have more to say, but I have plans tonight. I will post late tonight about what Romney will do during his term as President.
Are we now Democrats who won’t abide someone with a differing opinion?
Well your matinee idol Willie Mitty has voted Democrat
so maybe you are...
No Conservative would support a pro-abortion liberal like Willie...
and you never were able to come up with why you think Willard Mitt Romney doesnt hate America...
Unreasonable idol worship of Willie..
Sounds very Democrat to me...
BTW this is where we came in
My post @176 to you FOUR HOURS ago...
Willard Mitt Romney..
LL: But, I believe this man loves his country and likes the American people.
Nana: How did you come to that conclusion ???
Why do you believe that ???
So you dont think the Constitution is hanging by a thread? I do....
....I do believe good men will come to the rescue of the US Constitution.
and why do you believe that ???
and why must they be men ???
Whats wrong with te Constution that it needs changing and “saving” ???
and we already know what Romney will do if he ever got in the White House..
I have been told that my not voting for Romney is tantamount to a vote for Obama. I’m sure there are people on the other side of the spectrum who will tell me that my not voting for Obama is tantamount to a vote for Romney.
If there is any logic to those arguments, then my not voting for either Obama or Romney is tantamount to one vote for each of them, giving me two votes for President. If I am offered a legal way to vote twice, why shouldn’t I take advantage of that offer?
I’ll use my two votes to vote for neither Obama nor Romney this November.
And, I’ll leave the rest to God.
All I can say is that it gives me cold shivers to think the headlines will read Obama reelected on the day after the elections!
It’s amazing to me that many here intend to vote conserative down ticket but abstain or vote 3rd party for the presidential election. Let’s just assume that they get what they want...a “conservative” (read Republican) control of the House and Senate. For four years then what? No roll back of Obamacare, not enough votes to sustain an impeachment, veto of anything conservative. By the time you get to vote for President again who knows what the mood of the country will be?
Contrast that with the winning of the House, Senate and Presidency...just for two years. Imagine what can be turned back...yes...even with Romney as President.
“But I am humble enough to swallow my pride, take this hill, try and win this battle so that we may continue to fight battles in the future.”
Some people don’t understand battlefield tactics. You do. There’s a tiny number of smugly arrogant Phillistines who place their own stupid pride above family, country and freedom.
God wont fall off His throne that day either way...
I’ll just get up and eat breakfasst...
No roll back of Obamacare,
Neither Obama nor Willie Mitty intend to “roll back of Obamacare,”
“God wont fall off His throne that day either way...
Ill just get up and eat breakfasst...”
But, but I don’t eat breakfasst, is it any good! LOL
Then just have a 2nd cup of coffee...
Bobdole for President! He can run with McInsane! LOL
So, if the House and Senate vote to repeal Obamacare you’re saying Romney will veto it? Right...
So, if we get control of House and Senate and tax cuts are enacted, Romney will veto it? What about Obama?
Go back and read my #240 again
Go back and read my #240 again
I am a practicing Catholic. I don't agree with the Catholic Church's rigid stance on contraception but I will vehemently defend the church's right to maintain their outdated doctrine. I don't agree with several things that are part of the Catholic Faith.
I am suggesting your are presumptuous to think you know what anyone believes regardless of what their associations are. I don't know what he believes but do not think it will make him any worse of a representative for us than his less than conservative credentials already suggest.
More importantly, I'd like to see his faith not become part of our childish circular firing squad here on FreeRepublic.
MORMONism is a heresy. Those are the facts. It's a damned shame so many MORMONs are too deceived to acknowledge it.
You’re not getting off the hook that easy...Let’s do it again.
SO, IF THE HOUSE AND SENATE VOTE TO REPEAL OBAMACARE, IS ROMNEY GOING TO VETO IT? WHAT ABOUT OBAMA?
IF THE HOUSE AND SENATE PASS TAX REDUCTIONS, IS ROMNEY GOING TO VETO IT? WHAT ABOUT OBAMA?
Is that still possible?
I think I'll vote to keep souls from being deceived by MORMONism.