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OK I(actually my Daughter) got on of those "Red Light Camera" "Tickets". Any Advice...
03 May 2012 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 05/03/2012 8:48:26 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

...on how to fight it?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; US: Iowa
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1 posted on 05/03/2012 8:48:31 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

I would make my daughter pay it.


2 posted on 05/03/2012 8:50:20 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: US Navy Vet

Did she not go through a red light?


3 posted on 05/03/2012 8:50:39 AM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: US Navy Vet

Whose car is it?


4 posted on 05/03/2012 8:50:39 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: US Navy Vet

Make her pay it........


5 posted on 05/03/2012 8:51:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: US Navy Vet
Do they have a photo of the car in the intersection with the driver visible?

Is the ticket applicable to the driver, or the vehicle?

If they have a photo of the perp, you're probably out of luck.

If the ticket is to the vehicle, same.

If you pay a lawyer, you can probably beat it.

As long a judges and lawyers are making money, everybody is happy.

6 posted on 05/03/2012 8:53:08 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Good luck. In most places people haven’t succeeded in fighting them. If the law in your jurisdiction requires the city to prove who the driver is, then you may be successful in showing that they haven’t done that.

On the other hand, in many jurisdictions a red-light-camera ticket doesn’t get reported against the driver/registered owner precisely because of that reason, so there are no points, increased insurance rates, etc. associated with the ticket (I suppose an insurance company could ask about red light tickets on the license plate).


7 posted on 05/03/2012 8:53:17 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: US Navy Vet

As they say - make her pay it.


8 posted on 05/03/2012 8:53:23 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Explain to her calmly but firmly that “We don’t run Red Lights Dear”.

We don’t need an emotional scene.


9 posted on 05/03/2012 8:53:23 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: US Navy Vet

Make them drag the camera in to testify since it is the ticketing officer..

We got them outlawed in MN (unconstitutional)..

If she ran it, shes gonna hafta pay it.

You could get the ACLU in on the deal. I think they are the ones that got them removed in Minnesota.


10 posted on 05/03/2012 8:54:02 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: US Navy Vet

If the vid shows she ran the light, pay it. If not, schedule a court appearance and present the video. If you are in the right, they are easy to get thrown out because the incident is recorded.


11 posted on 05/03/2012 8:54:02 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: US Navy Vet

She should pay it and not run red lights again. It’s a good lesson without the really painful and potentially fatal results that can come from running red lights.


12 posted on 05/03/2012 8:54:58 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: US Navy Vet
My wife received a ticket for making a "rolling stop" on a right-turn-on-red. They sent along a copy of the video ...

...I still tease her about making a "Tina-stop" ...

13 posted on 05/03/2012 8:55:47 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: US Navy Vet

‘beat it’ with cash... or check/money order in an envelop

if you live in a small town, a better question would be who wanted a red-light cam in the town?


14 posted on 05/03/2012 8:56:34 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: BlueLancer

Lol, my wife has received several of those.


15 posted on 05/03/2012 8:56:57 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: US Navy Vet

...and we paid the ticket ...


16 posted on 05/03/2012 8:56:57 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: US Navy Vet

I thought those Red Light Tickets were CIVIL not CRIMINAL concerns.

If there is nothing the State can do to you, ignore it.


17 posted on 05/03/2012 8:57:05 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Is she being falsly accused? If not pay it and be done with it.


18 posted on 05/03/2012 8:57:30 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Make her cat pay the ticket...

19 posted on 05/03/2012 8:58:18 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: BlueLancer
My daughter received one, too. While she was protesting that she actually stopped, I clicked the link and saw the video.

"Sorry kiddo, get your checkbook out." Guilty!

20 posted on 05/03/2012 8:58:26 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: US Navy Vet
My understanding is that if you don't pay it, the courts can't prove who was driving and won't come after you.
That may vary from state to state.
Search on "courts cannot enforce red light camera tickets" and you'll find links to many stories regarding same.
21 posted on 05/03/2012 8:58:39 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: US Navy Vet

If one of these sort of tickets ever shows up in my mail box, I’ll be inclined to treat it as the junk mail that is is (especially one for speeding - I do have a little more respect for red lights).


22 posted on 05/03/2012 8:59:11 AM PDT by bluetick
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To: US Navy Vet

I would make sure that the yellow-light duration of that traffic light meets state engineering guidelines.


23 posted on 05/03/2012 8:59:42 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: US Navy Vet

First, find out how long the yellow light is—and whether it is shorter than state law requires it to be.


24 posted on 05/03/2012 9:00:17 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Demand the court enforce your right to face the accuser, and that the “accuser” make a physical idenfication of the accused.


25 posted on 05/03/2012 9:00:33 AM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: US Navy Vet

The REAL BITCH about this is it it a Council Bluffs Iowa “Ticket” and when we got (w/out a hearing) found “responsible” the Paper sait to mail the “fine”(extortion) to Cleveland Ohio. I HATE IOWA sometimes!


26 posted on 05/03/2012 9:00:42 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Just pay it so the insurance company can’t pin point who was driving and yank up their rates.


27 posted on 05/03/2012 9:02:03 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: US Navy Vet

My understanding is that if the light turned red while she was in the intersection she is in violation. It doesn’t matter if the light was still amber when she entered the intersection. An amber light lasts long enough for one to clear the intersection if it comes on as one enters it.So if the photo shows a red light she must pay.But maybe it’s you who have to pay.


28 posted on 05/03/2012 9:02:31 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Maybe you could write a check, copy it, and e-mail it in- but seriously, I’ve heard that they can’t be enforced in TX, but I don’t actually know anyone that has ignored one.


29 posted on 05/03/2012 9:03:09 AM PDT by matthew fuller (Mitt Romney is the supreme exemplification of the word SMARMY.)
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To: US Navy Vet
I remember reading an account of an English motorist who received a ticket in the mail not long after the Brits started using red-light cameras.

So the motorist snapped a photo of (just guessing here) a 50-pound note and mailed it back to the police to pay for it.

The cops took a photo of a pair of handcuffs and mailed it to him. He paid.

I don't even know if the story's true, but I like it anyway. :-)

30 posted on 05/03/2012 9:03:34 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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It’s a good lesson without the really painful and potentially fatal results that can come from running red lights.

LOL, if the state was really interested in safety, they could lengthen the duration of the yellow light, not shorten it, as was done to the lights with cameras in a jurisdiction near me.

They could also lengthen the delay between one direction going red and the other green...but that wouldn't create "revenue."

31 posted on 05/03/2012 9:03:45 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: US Navy Vet
First don't respond in any way until you determine what type of communication or document it is.

If it specifically directs you to NOT contact the COURT, but to respond to a police department or any department that is NOT a COURT of LAW, it is likely a trick to gather evidence against you by self incrimination because they do not have enough evidence to issue a real citation to which you respond in COURT.

If you are requested to communicate directly with a Court of Law then it is likely a more serious document which will require a response.

Determine which you have first.

If they want you to send information on the driver to police, they can't identify the driver, and it is not a citation, it is a demand you rat on the driver and they cannot force you to do so.

Check the Internet for help in determining what they have sent you.

32 posted on 05/03/2012 9:05:01 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
My previous Boss had the same issue. He went to Court on the assigned date, I don't recall what his argument angle was. He was still found guilty, but the fine was cut in half, which was what he was after. In California, that was a big chunk of change.
33 posted on 05/03/2012 9:05:28 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: US Navy Vet

Pay it.


34 posted on 05/03/2012 9:05:35 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: US Navy Vet

A fancy smancy Cobra detector also has GPS coordinates of all of these cameras. 200 dollar investment and you can pick up 13 different frequencies and have all locations of camera systems in the US. I detect cops a half-mile away. As far as fighting the ticket, you will lose.


35 posted on 05/03/2012 9:05:44 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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Check your local laws. In AZ that which arrives by non-certified mail can not be proven to have arrived and can be ignored. And they only have a certain window on the camera tickets (of course if they send a server to serve you the ticket the price of that is added to the ticket, so it’s not a trick one should abuse). If you don’t have that out you’re pretty much toast.


36 posted on 05/03/2012 9:06:56 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Got one of these in Maryland many years ago. My understanding is these are treated like parking tickets, ie. the registered owner of the vehicle is responsible for the ticket. Even if they can’t identify the driver they ‘fine’ the vehicle owner. Crazy.

Ignore it long enough and they will eventually drag you into court on some other pretense — unpaid fines.

Good luck!


37 posted on 05/03/2012 9:06:56 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: All

They win.

Pay it.

Long term, I’d suggest a pliable shaped charge with tamping on the connection pole.


38 posted on 05/03/2012 9:09:47 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: US Navy Vet
Demand your (her) Constitutional right to face your (her) accuser in a court of law.
Let's see 'em bring that very same camera into court....
39 posted on 05/03/2012 9:10:58 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: US Navy Vet

Go to the clerks office, and pay in pennies.


40 posted on 05/03/2012 9:12:26 AM PDT by goseminoles
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Their’s an e-mail that goes around about a fellow who recived a red light camera ticket. With a copy of a picture of him running a red light.

So he mails them a picture copy of a check paying the fine.

They mail back a picture of handcuffs and a jail cell.

Game over. He lost. He mailed in a real check.


41 posted on 05/03/2012 9:13:52 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: US Navy Vet

We get bills for tolls our daughter doesn’t pay. I pay them - but I had her tax refund this year deposited in our account!


42 posted on 05/03/2012 9:21:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: US Navy Vet

ouch...I’ve had them. She needs to take the responsibility and pay up...actually a good lesson learned.


43 posted on 05/03/2012 9:23:18 AM PDT by oust the louse (Mitt...it's time to quit !!!!! ...)
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To: Night Hides Not

Good on you! Witnessed three teenage girls run a red light, T-Bone a van with a young man just released from the hospital after neck surgery, he was wearing a halo. By the grace of God alone no one was hurt, girls argued about the light, but I witnessed it and gave my testimony. They have to learn even if it is the hard way.


44 posted on 05/03/2012 9:23:47 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: US Navy Vet
(Well, you could bribe the judge...but that would probably cost you a whole lot more...and kind of defeat the purpose of the thread)
45 posted on 05/03/2012 9:24:12 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: oh8eleven

You’ll get a Bench Warrant placed on you. Proof or not - they still will want to see you in court to know why you think you’re so awesome that you don’t feel you need to pay the fine.

Bench Warrant = No Fun.

If she ran it; pay it. If she didn’t find a lawyer who will represent for half the fine amount.


46 posted on 05/03/2012 9:27:55 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: DAC21

The judge in traffic court here reduces fines if you show up and here in Bakersfield if you have to make payments on a fine they tack on an additional $45 fee.

If you don’t pay the fine, they could add it to your car registration fee and tack on penalties.


47 posted on 05/03/2012 9:29:14 AM PDT by Chainsawj (Looks like I have NOBODY to vote FOR, I'll just vote againest the dems.......AGAIN.)
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To: DAC21

The judge in traffic court here reduces fines if you show up and here in Bakersfield if you have to make payments on a fine they tack on an additional $45 fee.

If you don’t pay the fine, they could add it to your car registration fee and tack on penalties.


48 posted on 05/03/2012 9:29:28 AM PDT by Chainsawj (Looks like I have NOBODY to vote FOR, I'll just vote againest the dems.......AGAIN.)
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To: eyedigress

Tell me about your Cobra. How does it find a police with a laser speed detector, which is what got me the last time?


49 posted on 05/03/2012 9:32:03 AM PDT by rightly_dividing
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To: Noamie

I don’t need your advice. Tell US Navy Vet.


50 posted on 05/03/2012 9:38:47 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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