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Russia threatens to strike NATO missile defense sites
Washington Times ^ | May 3, 2012 | Shaun Waterman

Posted on 05/03/2012 12:33:33 PM PDT by Navy Patriot

Russia’s most senior military officer said Thursday that Moscow would preemptively strike and destroy U.S.-led NATO missile defense sites in Eastern Europe if talks with Washington about the developing system continue to stall.

“A decision to use destructive force preemptively will be taken if the situation worsens,” Russian Chief of General Staff Nikolai Makarov said at an international missile defense conference in Moscow attended by senior U.S. and NATO officials.

The threat comes as talks about the missile defense system, which the U.S. and its allies insist is aimed at Iranian missiles, appear to have stalled.

“We have not been able to find mutually-acceptable solutions at this point and the situation is practically at a dead end,” Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said.

Ellen Tauscher, the U.S. special envoy for strategic stability and missile defense, insisted the talks about NATO plans for a missile defense system using ground-based interceptor missiles stationed in Poland, Romania and Turkey were not stalemated.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: chicoms; chinarussia; comradeobama; dreams; flexibility; kgbputin; medvedev; missile; missiledefense; nato; newworldorder; nuke; nwo; obama; openmike; putin; russia; strike; usdisarmament; war
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To: InsidiousMongo

Those of us in the gaming community that don’t like Call of Duty call it Call of Dookie. It’s about the worse thing you can find for realism, tactics and intelligence required.


51 posted on 05/03/2012 1:58:11 PM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: ballplayer

I agree with an earlier poster that this is all a ruse, so Hussein can “stand up” to Russia to win votes, and THEN give away the farm after the election.

This was probably part of the plan since Hussein hussled the captured Russian spies back to Russia in a huge hurry.


52 posted on 05/03/2012 1:59:08 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

“Now we see the fruits of the Obama Doctrine: Peace through weakness.”

And peas in our time.

FUBO, and the media sycophants you rode in on!


53 posted on 05/03/2012 2:00:25 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: stfassisi

Sadly yes. But it will be under Obama. That I believe.


54 posted on 05/03/2012 2:02:57 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Navy Patriot

Lessee....Putin was back seat driving until what a week ago, and now he’s jumped over the headrest back into the drivers seat.

Seems to me he is beating his chest, and flipping the wee birdie to the very weak Obama Administration. Sounds something like “reset this Community Organizer”.


55 posted on 05/03/2012 2:03:32 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: lightman
It’s 3 AM and the phone is ringing.

Do you know where your POTUS
Usurper is?

On the effin golf course if there's one open at that hour.
56 posted on 05/03/2012 2:09:33 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: johngrace

Chilling Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiTCPoIufjc


57 posted on 05/03/2012 2:09:47 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: JudgemAll

Just a quick caution. Please be very careful regarding any comment linking physical harm and the President.

I’m sure you were not threatening POTUS in any way, but I would hate to see a situation where the USSS, which I’m sure monitors FR, would mistakenly think you were. That would be bad for all of us.

FRegards.


58 posted on 05/03/2012 2:12:29 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: Navy Patriot

Are you saying Russia is concerned about Muslim takeover of Europe?


59 posted on 05/03/2012 2:16:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: rawhide
She reiterated that the U.S.-built system, still in development, is being designed to shoot down Iranian intermediate-range missiles aimed at Europe, not Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs).

I don't give a damn what country's missiles were going after; make the damn thing work, work well and work every time and tell the world such with a stern warning; "The very best parts of your country will go missing if we have to use our system."

60 posted on 05/03/2012 2:19:32 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Navy Patriot

Has it occurred to anyone that russian intelligence has concluded their agent obama won’t win reelection? They have to get what they can now.


61 posted on 05/03/2012 2:23:35 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: mkjessup

or in bed with a guy....


62 posted on 05/03/2012 2:23:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Navy Patriot

C’mon dudeskis...obammy said if you’ll give him some flexability he’ll help y’all out after the election. Remember?


63 posted on 05/03/2012 2:25:08 PM PDT by pgkdan (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!)
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To: BenLurkin

Almost???


64 posted on 05/03/2012 2:26:12 PM PDT by pgkdan (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Do you think they would have threatened a military strike on American and NATO installations if Ronald Reagan were President?

Absolutely not, but RR would have had NATO in complete control.

Observe how NATO was used against Libya by Zero, compared to Reagan's strike to completely reign in Qaddafi. Reagan did it right, and put Qaddafi under the US thumb for life. Bush disarmed his nukes.

Zero got oil for Europe, and cash, gold and weapons for Muslim Brotherhood terrorist war against Israel. We got to pay the terrorists.

65 posted on 05/03/2012 2:26:36 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Navy Patriot

The operative word here is “threatens” The Russkies have been threatening to do this or that since I was in 3rd grade. They know they can push Barry around. Thats going to end in Nov when we throw him out on his ear. Mitt may not be my personal choice but I doubt he will bend to the Russians.


66 posted on 05/03/2012 2:30:12 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Navy Patriot

This is just one part of the “more flexability,” Obama was telling Medved to pass on to Putin.

The Man who despises America
http://www.jeffhead.com/obama-time.htm


67 posted on 05/03/2012 2:37:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Are you saying Russia is concerned about Muslim takeover of Europe?

In parts of Europe, yes.

Observe Russia's reaction to the Clintoon NATO war against the Serbs and the Islamization of Kosovo, they were NOT happy.

Observe the Putin engineered punishment of Georgia (identical justification as Serbia) where Russia demonstrated what happens if you have an interest in joining NATO (Georgia; Ukraine) and wish to kiss Western European ass.

Observe how Putin has Chechnya on the barbecue.

Still, it is really about the Russian Empire and how all Europe will be a part of it. The Western European states will just have to suffer their Muslims as well as Russia, or they could send their infidels to fight to protect Muslims, if they wish.

What say you Ernie?

68 posted on 05/03/2012 2:44:36 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
While I agree that Zero is a weakling, a coward, a Muslim shill and a traitor, remember what President Bush did when Putin raped Georgia and secured all the petro pipelines to all of Europe.

President Bush is not a coward, and he is absolutely not a traitor and I am sure Romney is neither, but men of General George S. Patton's courage are few and far between, and almost never President.

Would Putin pull the trigger? He already has, and dared NATO or the US to come to the aid of Georgia.

69 posted on 05/03/2012 2:57:43 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Wurlitzer; little jeremiah
Mubumble Odumbo bending over further for communist parasites.

Why not? He had been bending over since Frank Marshall Davis introduced him to the business!

This thread should be pinged to the 0h0m0sexual agenda ping list, composite/compressed "girlfriends" not withstanding!

70 posted on 05/03/2012 3:02:10 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Navy Patriot

This is like buying a bullet proof vest and putting it on and walking outside and your next door heighbor starts taking shots at you BECAUSE you are wearing a bulletproff desk....


71 posted on 05/03/2012 3:08:01 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: LevinFan
Has it occurred to anyone that Russian intelligence has concluded their agent obama won’t win reelection? They have to get what they can now.

That is indeed a possibility.

Interestingly, Putin has endorsed Zero's reelection and actually contributed to his campaign. (Yeah, I know it's illegal, he did it anyway.)

But the big thing is: Russia doesn't need to wait.

They can do this now, or with whatever President we have on January 14, 2013, it doesn't matter what we do.

However the meeting is now and Putin gets to show his strength as he takes office in Russia. there are a lot of Russian nationalists that love this kind of display of Russian strength.

72 posted on 05/03/2012 3:35:30 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: GraceG
This is like buying a bullet proof vest and putting it on and walking outside and your next door neighbor starts taking shots at you BECAUSE you are wearing a bullet proof vest....

Actually, we have had the bullet proof vest on for some time, Patriot 3 is operational in the US.

This is a quicker reacting system we will provide for Europe, and its not in place yet. It's like there is a third neighbor (Europe) between the two and they will shoot at him if he tries to put on the bullet proof vest we gave him.

73 posted on 05/03/2012 3:49:42 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I throw this out for what ever it is worth. Six months ago at a meeting, I made friends with two Russian Cosmonauts who were retired Colonels (the same military rank as I) were discussing our relative countries positions. After several bottles of wine, we were definite friends. All I can say is to solve the worlds problems, supply French Wine. This was at a meeting in Peru.


74 posted on 05/03/2012 4:02:21 PM PDT by jesseam
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To: LevinFan

That was my take on it when I saw the headline on Drudge.

They are enjoying the fact that there is a singularly weak and foolish “American” as Commander in Chief, but they understand that their current good fortune is a rapidly wasting asset, so they are going to try and get what they can while the getting is still good.


75 posted on 05/03/2012 4:03:06 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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76 posted on 05/03/2012 4:22:57 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Navy Patriot.


77 posted on 05/03/2012 4:26:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yep


78 posted on 05/03/2012 4:26:32 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: jesseam
Four and a half decades ago I considered Russians, Chinese, North Korean and North Vietnamese my enemies.

Now I consider Marxists, Communists and Islamicists my mortal enemies, and liberals, progressives and socialists criminals.

I consider Russian, Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese people tough competitors.

Separating who is Communist, or STILL Communist, and who is not, is now very difficult, and very important.

We can get along with competitors form a position of economic and military strength, but we can never get along with Communists or Islamicists.

79 posted on 05/03/2012 4:27:19 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Logical me

“Screw Russia.”

A reasonable and worthy sentiment, in a world in which America has a C-in-C unfailingly and without hesitation committed to the defense and survival of America.

But, . . . ?????


80 posted on 05/03/2012 4:29:56 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: EGPWS

A Manchurian Candidate groomed by Ayers and his parents, with commie mommy and grandpa.


81 posted on 05/03/2012 4:40:10 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Navy Patriot; All

SO...
1.) China announces several years back that they had begun an economic war against the US.
2.) Russia has been threatening NATO in regards to missile defense sites in Europe.
3.) NATO is meeting in Chicago at McCormick Place on the Near South Side in 2 weeks.
4.) There are planned “military exercises” for the NEXT week/weekend involving Russian paratroopers using US weapons and armament to “take and hold” the CIA main computer building in CO, the NSA main computer building in Utah, as well as Denver International Airport. Add to that the Chinese DESTROYERS, SUBS, and HOSPITAL SHIP that are sailing across the Pacific at this moment?

Anyone else a little confused as to how our President or our military can justify holding joint military exercises with countries who are threatening our safety and stability, and that of the entire Western World?

This smells to high heaven, especially when you add in the ties between these countries and terrorists, Fast and Furious and the connection between cartels and terrorist cells, Obama’s insistence on NOT enforcing illegal immigration laws...

Am I alone in seeing this, or are others (esp. current or former military personnel) seeing how bad this may indeed be. I fear that Obama is enough of an idiot to LET Russia and China take over thinking they’ll let him have a piece of the pie or something.

In other words am I the ONLY one that doesn’t trust the Russians and Chinese to actually LET GO of those sites once they’re inside???


82 posted on 05/03/2012 4:44:08 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: lightman

Yeah, organizing military training exercises WITH the Russians and the Chinese - what you expected him to PROTECT us?


83 posted on 05/03/2012 4:45:13 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: All
HEY ALL - Please read post #83 it's REALLY important in re: to planned upcoming "military training exercises" WITH Russia and the Chinese... See the "Threat Matrix" thread for more links and info. will post a reply to this post after I find the appropriate links.
84 posted on 05/03/2012 4:58:03 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: MindBender26

I don’t know where you get this. I wrote Osama as in Osama Bin Laden... It takes more than ordering a hit on Osama to insure global safety, it is a more comprehensive approach.

Of course, here the Soviet aparatus is somehow trying to trigger a default to UN and international bureaucratic subserviance in the creating of this problem, and they feel confident to navigate this political-military-bureau complex to their peace benefit.

This is a pretext because the Soviet/Russia aparatus sees itself losing on the Iranian front eventualy, looking like they are the real freaks of the world. So they have to precipitate a conflict over third party reasons such as the nuclear shield or what not.

As for Obama himself, he sure is inadequate to say the least, and punishing others of his own presence of incompetence in self hate, much like rapists do. He has lived by the rape as a raped child, and, much like a prostitute feminists who only see men through the prism of sex, it is all that Obama is looking at things, rape or accept being raped. He has no other imagination.

The automatisms of quick condemnation he preaches I do not, but discoveries, trials and tribulations it will be. The only ones threatening the President are those who are corrupt and who live by automatisms and empowerments - Columbia scandal style. That was an epic moment in making this bureaucratic thuggery acceptable in his own very bureaucratic circle. WHat was it he said? FORWARD? OH, really...

Of course, anyone else then is going to be picked at as a result... “Rusky” hypocrite style.


85 posted on 05/03/2012 5:03:10 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Navy Patriot

I haven’t been following this stuff for many years. I just think back to all the “it will never work” comments back at the start of the SDI programs. Guess it does work. If it didn’t the Russians wouldn’t be so worked up about it.


86 posted on 05/03/2012 5:07:26 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: LibertyRocks
Anyone else a little confused as to how our President or our military can justify holding joint military exercises with countries who are threatening our safety and stability, and that of the entire Western World?

It's the entanglements and stupid "relationships", the ones the ignoramuses of MFN/NAFTA/globalists claim to be for, yet they have no clue about real relationships beyond making a quick easy buck. The State Department is neck deep to the nose in that excrement of "relationships", these cowards who only think about getting first class tickets and medical care wherever they work, and having it all nicey nice around them, so much so they did not want to go to Iraq and do their jobs.

These relationships are a psycho passive aggressive behavior of our enemies, much like the psycho who wants to wear the same cloth as you and have the same looks and hair, before going to kill you. It's a two prongued attack, one with a nuclear face, the other with a nicey nice infiltration and control and destruction of identity resulting in a paralysis from ability to effectively retaliate.

87 posted on 05/03/2012 5:12:01 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: StolarStorm

But there also is a creepy motion by the RUssians here. They want to be nicey nice with us, controling the SDI project, stealing our jobs and identities, so to speak, being friends by force of threats, basically. And we are letting them intimidate us.

This is what it is all about: surrender or we will attack, in gradual fashions of “relationship” “building”.


88 posted on 05/03/2012 5:15:11 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: LibertyRocks
There is no doubt that Obama is NOT in control of anything, or you wouldn't hear anything about this. The only reason you do is because it was in Ria Novosti and Pravda a couple days ago, and the Western media had no choice.

Also, this is not about war, this is about control.

Russia is perfectly happy with the anti missile system being built, but Russia insists that Russians will have the root passwords to the system and Russian technicians will man the control centers for the missiles.

They are fine with it if they control the system. If not, it won't be built.

Zero can play tough and give the Russians the passwords and control centers quietly, APPEARING to back the Russians down and build the system.

All of your examples are similar form of quiet cooperation with Russia and China, so yes, there is a pattern here.

89 posted on 05/03/2012 5:16:59 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: StolarStorm
Reagan's SDI definitely would and did work, and lead to this technology.

What few people remember is Reagan offered to share the SDI technology with the Russians (Gorbachev) to prove they could trust him and the US.

"Trust but verify" did work both ways and the Russians dealt with Reagan with respect and trust, Reagan returned the same with inspections for both sides, by both sides.

Not a shot was fired, not a shot was threatened, and the Soviet Union (and the Warsaw Pact) went away because it wasn't necessary.

Now look what Clintoon and Zero have wrought by being untrustworthy cowards.

We truly need a Ronald Reagan, wise strong, trustworthy.

90 posted on 05/03/2012 5:29:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: JudgemAll

My absolute stupidity.

Old eyes.

Sorry ‘bout that.


91 posted on 05/03/2012 6:23:09 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: wastedyears
Over to you,Vlad!
92 posted on 05/03/2012 7:46:19 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Navy Patriot

There is a big difference between attacking Georgia and attacking our missile defense system. We would be forced to respond. The Russkies know that.

Bush should have seen Georgia coming but for some reason he didn’t. I think he really thought he and .
Vlad were buddies. After the fact there wasn’t a lot he could do. Sarkozy carried our water on that one.


93 posted on 05/03/2012 8:18:09 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
We would be forced to respond.

Like we responded when our military assets were taken by North Korea and China?

These are also on foreign soil, and the state involved may not wish to incur the Russian wrath that would descend upon it for allowing the US to respond? When has France or Italy ever defended themselves?

What has happened to states cooperative with the US recently when they needed assistance like peaceful Egypt?

Finally would Zero give the order?

How many American cities would you sacrifice to protect France from Iranian missiles?

94 posted on 05/03/2012 8:39:52 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Like I said the Russians are good at threats. They are not going to attack a NATO missile shield. Not gonna happen. If The quisling we jokingly refer to as the president was not sitting in the oval office they probably wouldn’t even make that threat.


95 posted on 05/03/2012 9:00:59 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: lightman

Hiding under his desk.


96 posted on 05/04/2012 3:11:47 AM PDT by ustanker (You can't reach the unreachable!)
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To: Navy Patriot
They know that they must move quickly. While Obama is still in office, they can get away with it.

Russia, along with several other globalist entities including many American politicians and corporations, will not stand idly by and watch this once in a lifetime opportunity to “revolutionize” the world disappear.

The misery will not last very long - their wicked acts will come to an end.

97 posted on 05/04/2012 3:56:59 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Russia and China are aligned with Iran and those three will be soon aligned with the EU...just how in the world does that qualify as backing Christianity over Islam?


98 posted on 05/04/2012 4:13:31 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

There ya go.

The Russians know their “guy”...


99 posted on 05/04/2012 4:44:24 AM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Navy Patriot
America is Nato....

...obama is America.

And the Russians have pretty much figured out obama...

100 posted on 05/04/2012 4:54:43 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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