Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
diplomacy is saying nice doggie while you look for a stick
I do share some of your arguments.....
“The fact that Ron Paul is the ONLY Nationally Recognized Spokesperson for the US Constitution is a crying shame in my view.)”
True. I wish there were more REAL conservatives who held fast to the Constution. As Reagan did.
“He is a deeply flawed candidate...”
So VERY true.
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!
Bravo Jim, well said!
Maybe we can also work for closed primaries.
Okay, I'll bite.
What has he done to appease the Tea Party?
B U M P
This is pretty much where I am, Jim.
This is going to be a tough election season. I still can’t believe it’s come to this after all the hard work and successes of 2010.
We still have a LOT of work to do, don’t we?
Maybe Jim could set something up like the religious Square where pretty much you have to have a thick skin to tread there..... It gets hot and heavy but you sure learn and see the difference between truth and falsehood when all is said and done. It's moderated... basically you can't make it personal attacks...but it gets feisty and lively none the less. I rather think Paul and some of the disciples had some heavy debates along the way and a passions rose.....so too with politics as religion....passions run high.... there is much at stake to win or loose.
We won't have the presidency, but we can have the president's ear. We should focus our energies on the Senate and maintaining the gains we've made in the house.
I, for one, will be taking heed of Newt Gingrich's recommendations and strategies over the next few years. I strongly feel that he has the right agenda. And in this balancing act of Tea Party activism, conservative philosophy, and national politics, Newt Gingrich can forge a path of reform and flush out those with treacherous intentions, if we empower him.
Our country is badly damaged. We're not going to turn it around overnight. We're not going to turn it around with the election of one president.
The standard for manners in a Screaming Liberals forum would need to be far more tolerant. There are going to be F words and worse slung around. These are the dwellers of DU caves. Look at Townhall. It has a lame and weird bowdlerization system (one of the things you can’t say is jackass) but it’s trivial to get around by embedding punctuation or spaces in your naughty word.
In order to have good stuff at the top to work with, it has to be grown from the bottom.
Pretending to be a conservative.
“A vote for Romney as the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.”
I genuinely respect your opinion. But from my vantage point, I am ALWAYS voting for the lesser of two evils. There has never been a candidate that has perfectly mirrored my opinions/values.
JR - So glad you have a central and logical plan for this call to action. I am glad to hear YOU say these things in order that many other FREEPERS might unite to defeat Obama, and continue the TEA Party fight will the eye on the presidency in the future. We must only look back to the radical of the Dem party and 1960s to see the ilk or Hillary, the anti-war movement, the black panthers, el at., have taken the reins of the Dem party so it is essential that the TEA Party’s goals remain firm and long term!
Lots of FReepers get government bennies. Our nation is hopelessly divided right now and even liberals and conservatives are divided among themselves.
The handout crowd is not divided at all. They will vote for whomever promises them the biggest handout. Realistically, because of this fact, our nation is probably on the decline as predicted by our founding fathers.
We could elect the next coming of Ronaldus Magnus and he would probably be voted out on his bum in four years. The GOP would get massacred in the mid-terms. That is our new reality. That is why it is even more important now to keep SCOTUS as the defender of the constitution.
Replace Ginsburg with an identical Justice and we won’t notice. Replace Kennedy with another Harvard radical and we notice immediately. God forbid that something happens to Scalia or Thomas and the replacement is another Harvard radical and we will regret it for decades.
This is a perfectly logical question.
For the never-Romneys, the issue seems to be that does the supposedly friendly candidate ever become so horribly bad that boycotting him makes sense. Romney is hovering near that drain.
“Christie’s first decision was to select a pro-choice running mate as Lt Gov. She would take over if he leaves.”
Indeed, and I disapprove. Christie is however outspokenly pro-life. I don’t know his justification for choosing his Lt. Gov. Obviously his concern over the issue is not as paramount as I would like it to be.
Added a tag....
Thank you DJ.. simplest it can get ;)
Someone else brought up a good point much earlier in the thread.. If you leave it blank.. it is an opportunity for someone else to do a write in for you.. :/
“n. Maybe the focus for the next four years should be on increasing the conservative presence is the House and Senate. Just because, for one thing and also to encourage Pres. Romney to steer to the right whenever he is inclined to waver. “
So, let’s find and get behind the ONE best candidate for 2020. And not have the circular firing squad. If a FReeper prefers a candidate who is not the “official” choice of FR, in my opinion (I know I don’t run things!) that could be fine, but, no ugly name calling assassination accusation type stuff.
I’d have rather had Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Perry, or Newt than Romney. I was careful not to get seriously negative about ANYONE except Paul. It is very counter-productive.
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